I've been MIA. Tried to go strict IE, but my way of eating isn't really IE since I've been told that IE is not for losing weight. :dizzy:

I guess they are right because my way of doing this is with low carbing and IE doesn't believe in cutting out certain food groups either. I wasn't going to cut out the carbs because of what I've been learning from Weigh Down videos. However, after really understanding some things on there, someone on another low carb site recommended the following link and it all came together for me. I'm sharing the link in case you want to check it out.

https://lowcarbrn.wordpress.com/2015...force-the-fat/

I especially thought of you Carol Sue when I read this because like me, you don't really care to eat a lot of fat added to your food. I thought you might like to read it.

According to Weigh Down, when you wait until you are truly hungry before you eat, you are allowing your body to use the stored fat to burn. Also by allowing your body to use your stored fat for energy, you don't eat as much at your meal. Then I read the link about how the doctor figured out that by adding lots of fat like a lot of lc diets say, he found he gained weight instead of losing. If I read this right (and correct me if you don't see it this way), he does add some fat to his food when he prepares it like butter, avocado (but not a whole avocado which he explains why), but he doesn't load it down with fat. He explains that his reason is that if we add a lot of fat to our diet that our body will burn the fat we eat and not the fat we are trying to get rid of.

He says that his plate is 1/2 non-carb vegetables and 1/2 protein/full fat dairy. Although I have to go to the doctor Monday, I've decided to start his plan after Thanksgiving.

Y'all have a Happy Thanksgiving.

I want to wish you guys a Happy Thanksgiving!!! Eat some turkey for me...I love it.

Thanks, p.a. I always wanted to celebrate Thanksgiving with you Canadians, too. It's my favorite food holiday. Oops! I'm not supposed to think that way! LOL

Trish, I'm glad you're back. I don't agree with those people who post on the IE thread and I guess I never will. I think they are the ones who are wrong, not you. I posted in your defense a bit, and gave them some sites that said right out that IE is a tool for weight loss. A normal person doesn't eat if they are not hungry and stops eating when they are satisfied, and they eat what appeals to them. They don't call it IE, they just call it eating. IE is wrong to say that you cannot cut certain food groups, because diabetes is a disease that gets worse if you eat too many of the wrong kind of carbs. You ARE doing IE, but you are paying attention to what and how much you eat in order to be healthy. There is nothing wrong with that. It sounds like they are just making excuses so they can eat other things and calling it intuitive.

There is a lot of fat that I just don't like. I don't like a hamburger to be greasy. They are called "juicy" but it's just fat and I don't like the taste or feel of it. I blot my sausage for the same reason. I use butter because I like it. I have never used low fat products except for skim milk because whole milk tastes greasy to me. I just go according to what tastes good to me and greasy does not taste good. I never check the fat content of my food and I don't add extra fat.

I don't agree that our bodies burn the fat we eat. From what I have read on various LCHF sites, everything we eat is stored as glucose in our body. Our body burns glucose for energy. Any glucose not burned is stored as fat. When our stored glucose is gone then the body starts to burn our stored fat. People doing LCHF eat more fat because it keeps them satisfied longer, and that's because it is digested more slowly. I don't necessarily follow this because I don't know what's right. I know there are healthy fats that we need, but I am on the fence about sat fat. Is it good, or bad. I don't know. So I just eat what tastes good to me and hope that I'm doing the right thing.

I am not saying your doctor is wrong, and I am not trying to change your mind. I'm just saying that I feel differently about it.

For me, I am working on eating when I feel hunger and stopping when I feel satisfied. I eat what I want. By that I mean that if I want a bite of potato I eat it, just not a full serving. If I want toast with my eggs I use this sprouted grain wheat bread I've been buying, but I only do that a couple times a month, because bread of any kind spikes my blood sugar. I normally am not interested in sweets, but sometimes DH will have some sweet rolls and I might cut off a piece 1 inch square and eat it, never a whole roll. And I have been working on not eating after dinner, even my egg I used to eat. That's very hard because it's a habit I started, but that's what it is, a habit. If I am hungry, I will eat it, but I was eating it, hungry or not. I want to lose weight, but I'm not knocking myself out to starve myself. I'm still bouncing up and down the same 5 lbs, but I'm hoping if I clean up all these bad habits I will eventually start to lose.

There is a DairyQueen nearby that has such wonderful creamy ice cream. I decided at the beginning of the summer that I would stop one time and have a cone, and I did it. A few times we would stop and DH would get a cone, but I picked one day and had one and didn't have any more the rest of the summer. Now they closed for the winter. I'm very proud that I succeeded with that.

I don't feel that I am denying myself anything, but I am limiting quantities of some things. I can have a bite of anything, if I want it. but I am learning to not want it as often.

I'm sorry this is so long. I will shut up, now.

Have a great Thanksgiving!

Thanks Carol Sue I know that the original IE book is about losing weight and putting foods in 2 categories. And I could get the book and quote, but I decided why bother. I'm not sure any of the original IEers post there any more because the new ones don't actually follow the original IE book. I want post there any more.

I'm not sure about good/bad fights. I just know that I actually don't like the greasy feeling in my mouth I get some times especially if I eat too much of some fats. I don't care for lowfat products either except for the crumble turkey sausage I get to cook in my scrambled eggs or omelets.

I really don't know if I'm burning fat or glucose, but I have finally come to believe that what actually caused my problem with the Metformin is too much fat. I honestly think the problems probably started back when I started eating more fats especially coconut oil. I like the whole milk, but I think the fat causes problems. I seem to have no problem with 1% and I actually like the taste of it. I can eat butter as long as I don't eat too much of it, but I cannot eat coconut oil at all. I've got a lot of it left so I use it as an eye cream to prevent wrinkles. LOL

So I'm thinking that I need to do more of a low fat low carb way of eating. I'll be doing that beginning Friday. Like I said I'm going to enjoy a serving of my dressing tomorrow. However, I'm not doing a turkey this year. I am going to roast a chicken and add dressing for me, potato salad for DH and DGS and we will have a regular salad and broccoli. No bread besides what is in the dressing. I'll have a thin slice of cheesecake (store bought). I will use this more like a CAD off balanced Reward Meal. Breakfast and anything I eat after the Thanksgivng meal will be low carb. As Weigh Down calls it, I will put the restart button at my next meal... dinner. I'm not eating snacks at night so I feel that is an improvement for me.

Trish, I never read any books about IE, but learned about it from information on the internet. I just know that I wouldn't be working on changing the way I eat if I was satisfied with my body the way it is. I would have just continued to gorge myself into oblivion, which is how I got to 200 lbs. I want to lose weight without having to give up my favorite foods, and I think I have found the way to do it.

I am having turkey with stuffing inside the turkey. I know you southerners call it dressing, but we call it dressing if it's cooked outside the turkey. I have a portion of stuffing every year at Thanksgiving as my choice of carb, because I only have it once a year. I can have potatoes any day of the year, and sweets, you know I'm not really into sweets. I don't need to go overboard because the leftovers will be in my refrigerator and I can have more tomorrow. Leftover turkey rules!!!

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

Carol Sue I agree with you 100% and you understand IE completely. To say that it isn't about weight loss is ridiculous. I have the IE book here on the table beside. Tribole and Resch use it to help people learn to use the signals of their bodies. Also the one thing I liked about their book is that they taught their clients to eat the foods they liked.

I remember one client they had who was sent home told to experiment and see what foods she really liked to eat. She learned that there were only 10 foods that she really did enjoy. She was told that those were the only foods she had to eat. Thinking about that this morning, I realized that I need to do that with my low carbing. There are foods that I love that are low carb foods so why not just plan on eating those foods? That is what I am going to do.

The IE guideline I like is Eat what you truly want (for me from low carb foods) only when truly hungry and stop when satisfied. So I will do an IE/lowcarb way of eating.

I am doing more of a CAD day today. My breakfast is eggs, Canadian bacon, cheese and kale combo. I cook them separately eggs fried in Pam and then I mix it all together. My favorite lc breakfast. I'm not going to make the dressing. I had planned to make it the way my Mama always did. My Mama used to make a combo of cornbread/bread stuffing. She didn't put it in the turkey because she made a huge pan of it. My late DH family made just the cornbread dressing. I am afraid if I make it that I won't just eat one serving today. I'll be wanting it all day and even tomorrow. So I've pretty much decided to have the roasted chicken, a few bites of the potato salad cold (trying the Resistant Starch theory) and broccoli. I may start the meal with a regular salad to help cut down on how much potato salad I'll want to eat. And of course, I want a small helping of the cheesecake. Tonight I will have a chicken salad for supper. That way I will have a nice Thanksgiving dinner but I will also not go way off from the low carb plan.

One thing that I did read in the Weigh Down and the Thin Within info was that while they do recommend eating what you like, they also remind you that if you have health problems to follow the guidelines your health provider recommends. So I believe low carb for lowering bs is acceptable with IE. JMO

We have our plans so lets Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

Eating was pretty good today. I did have my old problems pop up again. Not quite sure why. I didn't have any lowfat sour cream so had to use the full fat and of course I ate the slice of cheesecake. That with the butter that I put on the potato. Oh well. It doesn't happen everday so maybe my system just hasn't adjusted completely to the Metfomin.

I found another website called Low Carb for Diabetes. I don't know anything about it but I thought I would share the link below.

http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/2015/11...-for-diabetes/

Hope everyone had a good day.

The problem pops up occasionally for me too, Trish, and I can't pin point a reason. For me I notice sometimes it happens after I eat salad or fresh vegetables so maybe it's caused by something that is sprayed on the vegetables. I got it after eating the local salad bar, two times in a row, but the third time I ate it I didn't get it. Makes no sense. I sometimes get it when I eat fried onions, but not raw onions. I try to include onions in my saute as they have a lot of nutrients and I like them.

I ended up eating some mashed potatoes and gravy but just a very small portion because I was saving some to send over the my BIL. In the evening we ate some more turkey with mushroom soup as gravy. DH had his over toast and I just had mine plain. I did not eat any dessert. You know dessert isn't my cup of tea. Since I ate both the stuffing and the potatoes I had to take 2mg glimiperide, and at bedtime my BG was 88, but went back up overnight to 160.

DH and I were talking about diabetes and he understands it better than he did before. Like a lot of people, he thought you were just not supposed to eat sugar, but I explain to him that things like white flour, rice, potatoes, pasta are turned into sugar quickly in the body and have the same effect as sugar. He was surprised, but now understands why I have to stay away from things like bread and pizza. Small portions of potatoes or pasta don't bother me as much as anything made with flour.

Did you eat the potato salad? One of the things I read about resistant starch is that the potato salad is supposed to be refrigerated for 24 hours before you eat it. I usually make mine the day of, and refrigerate it for a few hours until we are ready to eat. I don't know why they say 24 hours. It's not like it gets any colder. Cold is cold.

I'll check out the link.

A quick flyby right now. Today is WI for me and even with all the going on this past week, I'm down 2 lbs actually 4 down from the day before. No fan fare as I'm still not back down to the 226 yet. And I didn't take any diuretic either. I'm trying to get off those because Gwenn Shamblin of Weigh Down says they will hurt the kidneys. Besides if I do low carb, I won't need a fluid pill.

After seeing that I had lost, I decided to do low carb and give up the bread. I had just a few slices left of the bread that I usually eat so I put it down the garbage disposal. I've been seeing some of the bread recipes for paleo diets, but they use syllium and with the way my system is now, I don't think I need to add that to my diet. I have a huge bottle of Kirkland brand of Metimucil that I bought back when I couldn't go and someday I will have to throw that stuff away because I'm thinking as long as I'm on Metformin, I don't think I will ever need it.

Carol Sue No I didn't make the potato salad. I ended up having baked potatoes and I made me a very small one.

You know I am having a difficult time getting my fbs under 150 right now. Ever since I took Januvia and it went up to 160s and above, it just doesn't come down. I can get in the 120s once in a while later in the day, but it sure didn't help me at all. The I understood that Januvia worked was that it would work only when you needed it and the pharmacist said that some people lost their appetite. It actually believe it worked the very opposite for me. I think it was on the link I shared last night that gave some signs of Insulin Resistance. I have a lot of those signs so I am going to research that more. It seems from what I can understand that maybe the only way to conquer IR is to give up high carb period. There was something I thought of eating this morning (can't remember what it was) and the words "skin tags" popped in my mind and I remember thinking "No I won't be eating that any more". I have some of those where you can't see them, but my daddy has a lot of them on his neck. I always wondered what caused them, but would have thought that something I ate could cause them. My late Hubby's Step-dad had gobs of them.

Well, I better close this. It was supposed to be a flyby, but I guess it wasn't. I want to listen to another Weigh Down video today before DH gets up.

Have a good day.

Morning everyone,
Nice loss Trish!!
I was down as midge this week to..then last nite I went shopping with my dd and we stopped for supper. I had a cheeseburger and fries...ya they were so good! But, that's it till Christmas! I will be good.

Trish, a lot of people don't realize that when you are taking diuretics you have to up your water intake. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but that is what keeps you from damaging the kidneys, plus I have always been prescribed potassium along with a water pill. Some people love it because it helps you drop a few pounds, but the real reason for it is if you are retaining too much fluid to be safe for your heart.

I think we get Insulin Resistance before we develop diabetes. That's part of the cause. The insulin does not drive the glucose into our cells the way it's supposed to so it accumulates in our blood stream and causes high BS. We are still producing insulin, it just isn't working the way it should. If we reach the point where we are no longer producing insulin, we have to start injecting insulin. This is just type 2.

I don't think skin tags have anything to do with what you're eating, but I guess anything is possible. Online it says they don't know what actually causes them, but it could be hereditary. They also blame it on weight, age, and people with type 2 diabetes can be more prone to them. I have a few but I have seen people who had a lot of them, and a woman who worked with me had them all over her chest and had them clipped off with nail clippers in the doctor's office. Sterilized, of course. It left tiny scars, but the bumps were gone.

I think even with Januvia you have to limit carbs, the same as with all diabetes meds. Nothing is going to allow us unlimited carbs unless we inject enough insulin to handle it. Maybe some day they may discover something new. I have always wondered about those prescriptions like Acarbose that keep your body from absorbing some of the carbs you eat. They don't seem to prescribe them for some reason. If a drug causes your body to release more insulin to handle insulin resistance, it will inhibit weight loss and cause weight gain. Insulin is the hormone that stores fat. The best way to deal with diabetes and lose weight is diet and exercise, and that automatically lowers the need for insulin. But we all want a magic pill when the best treatment is right in front of our noses.

I just got home from Goodwill and I wanted to share. I bought a book for $1...Defeating Diabetes, A No Nonsense Approach to Type 2 Diabetes and the Diabesity Epidemic. I opened it up and saw a couple topics that interested me, such as Excessive Animal Protein and Is Being Overweight such a Big Deal. If I learn anything I never knew before I will share the information.

p.a. Hi. I'm working at doing good through the holiday.

Carol Sue Isn't it the truth. How we would love to have a pill that would help us lose weight and get our bs under control. A miracle pill I guess. I

'm still not going to forbid any food because I don't want to cause myself cravings. If I can't have something, it will just make it more desirable. However, I'm not going to over do the carbs either. One thing I am going to do that I had forgotten about from the IE book until I mentioned it on the IE thread is eat only the foods that I like. I had forgotten about the young lady who was told to decide what she really liked to eat. She found that there were only 10 foods that she really liked so Rachel Tribole told her to just plan all her meals/snacks around those 10 foods.

Through the years when dieting, I chose to eat foods on the diet not really thinking about whether I really liked it or not... some of my favorite foods were on the not allowed list. No more. I from now I will pick from my favorite foods. If some of them are no nos on low carb, I will just have them less often. But I am not going to set myself up for failure.

Please let us know if you read something new in your book.

Trish, I don't think I ever followed a formal diet plan except for Low Carb and then I ate more carbs than allowed on Atkins Induction. On my first diet I didn't eat sweets, but I ate all foods in smaller quantities. My mother would not cook a special meal for me so I ate whatever she cooked in small portions. I lost better then than I ever did again, but I was only 21 years old, so that makes a big difference. I did IE without knowing it had a name.

Unfortunately for me there aren't many foods I don't like, so I'm always eating foods I like. LOL But I have favorites and I prefer to choose from them.

I've been having some indigestion and burping the past few days from eating things I don't usually eat, such as gravy. It's bringing back memories of how I used to feel before I started eating the way do now. Yuk!

Carol Sue I'm just listening to the Weigh Down videos right now then I will go back and finish the Thin Within book. But I do remember one of the things it TW book said to do is to keep a journal for a while and write down how you feel after you eat... especially after you eat certain foods. I plan to choose some things out of that book to follow and I think that will be one of them. But I won't do any of that until I finish watching the videos. One thing at a time step by step. I am creating my own way of eating using different ideas that I think will work for me so I can this a personal lifestyle. Then with practice allow it to become a habit.

One thing at a time... I am a work in progress.