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maggie2
04-11-2012, 11:59 AM
I'm wondering if anyone here has any information on insulin resistance.

I have had medical problems for the past 16 years and finally[B] have been diagnosed with insulin resistance. I, like most people, assumed that insulin resistance is caused by being overweight.

Well, I have learned that this is not the case. Insulin resistance actually causes us to gain weight because we can't secrete the excess insulin in our bodies and it gets stored as fat.

Additionally, several recent studies of [B]people of normal weight shows that many of them have insulin resistance. So obviously they didn't get IR because they were overweight.

I guess what this has done for me is to help me understand that IR is a medical problem, not an eating problem. What a relief, in a way.

I'd love to hear if anyone else has IR and if they have any information on the topic.


AnaBee
04-11-2012, 10:11 PM
I have insulin resistance. I also have PCOS. The two often go hand in hand (I think they worked out that insulin resistance was the cause of PCOS about 10 years ago, before that they focused on the cysts aspect).

My endo thinks that I probably always had it (my reaction to carbs has always been quite weird) and then in my early 20s I gave up on dieting (I was always hungry) and just ate and I gained 50 pounds in about 3 months. It's a vicious circle, the weight gain part of it, the more weight you gain, the worst it gets but it's really hard to lose weight.

Not sure what else to add but I have to eat low carb to manage hunger and to have any hope of losing weight. So you're in the right place :)

Rana
04-12-2012, 09:39 AM
I have insulin resistance too!

It was very hard for me to lose weight. It's been a slow process and the thing with IR, it's very trial and error.

If you're going to doctors, they may already have you on medication or have told you that your IR is "mild" enough to treat with diet and exercise.

Diet and exercise are critical for IR, because your pancreas is still working well enough (although not as perfect a healthy one) and by changing your diet you're helping it work more efficiently.

So, that means, finding out which foods increase your blood sugar. Usually, it's all the crappy carbs (as I call them) and then you'll have to find out if some of the "healthier" carbs do the same thing to you.

Exercise helps, because it regulates the blood sugar in your blood, which helps the pancreas when it doesn't put the right amount of insulin in your blood stream. In a perfect world, you would go for a walk right after eating to help that balance. Weight training is also very useful because as you develop muscle, you can store some of that excess blood sugar in the form of glycogen in your muscles, rather than as fat.


maggie2
04-12-2012, 12:27 PM
AbaBee and Rana,

Thanks for the responses.

Yes, PCOS often goes hand in hand with IR. My one daughter has both. And you're right, it's been about 10 years now since doctors discovered that with PCOS, IR usually is the cause.

I have been reading scientific papers about IR for the past couple of weeks. I found the information on most of the major medical sites to be useless because it is not up-to-date and they are still saying that IR is caused by being overweight, not that being overweight can and often is caused by IR.

Additionally, they say there are no symptoms. What a crock! I have tons of symptoms. Do you gals? If so, what are your symptoms?

I have been exhausted for years and never knew why. Now I know! I discovered that if you have IR your cells don't open up to allow the glucose into them. No glucose in your cells no energy! So in other words, we don't have enough fuel to provide the energy we need to live well. Makes perfect ssense!

I also have fatty liver, high levels of triglycerides and LDL cholesterol, and weakened muscles, which is also because the cells in the muscles don't get enough fuel. Oh yes, and foggy brain! Can't think of any other symptoms right now because of darn 'foggy brain'!

I'd love to know what symptoms you have had and how you are dealing with them.

More later.

Rana
04-15-2012, 11:47 AM
I think, for me, the biggest symptom is the craving for sugar/white bread/white rice/cookies/cakes, etc. (crappy carbs), and then the cycle of being hungry after eating them.

In fact, I finally went to the doctor to take care of this three or four years ago because I was eating lunch, then an hour later, I was hungry again, and my boyfriend would look at me and say, "I'm full. That was a big lunch. How can you possibly be hungry again?!" And he's a lot taller/bigger than I am!

I would whine I was still hungry and eat a slice of cake.

Then I would be starving for dinner.

When I finally cleaned up my eating, those crazy cravings were gone. I think with eating healthier and exercise, I did get my energy back, but I hadn't noticed it was gone. I think I can look back and say that I have more energy now.

mariposssa
04-15-2012, 02:19 PM
I had plenty of symptoms...the brain fog, skin tags, dark skin (AN), extreme fatigue, PCOS symptoms, carb cravings, BAD cravings. This is probably weird but there is just this feeling I get when I know my insulin is off. It feels like blood rushing and light headedness. Hard to explain; but when my eating low carb and exercising is good I don't get it. But, if I get off plan more than my one cheat day its like I can feel my insulin start rising and I just don't feel right.

kaplods
04-15-2012, 02:42 PM
I'm also insulin resistant. There are some good books that explain the issues very well. I can't remember any specific titles, I just went to my local library and read what I could find (looking for books published in the last 5 years or so).

I'm also diagnosed with metabolic syndrome (also called syndrome x) which is characterized by a number of health issues including blood sugar issues such as insulin resistance, type II diabetes or "borderline" or pre-diabetes (where blood sugar numbers are just under the cut-off point for diabetes).

My doctor said that the best way to treat my IR and pre-diabetes (I've had some blood sugar readings in the diabetic range, but only a few times) was to treat it as if it were full-blown diabetes. The diabetic diet or a low-carb diet was the best way to go.

I really only seem to lose weight on fairly low-carb diets, unless I cut calories to impractical levels (I'm also extremely hungry on high-carb diets, so just in terms of hunger control it also makes sense to eat low-carb).

dinomama
04-15-2012, 06:25 PM
All of u described me to a T..especially Maggie2. Do u have a carb craving sometime in the afternoon where you would pull the wiskers off a kitten for a carb...chips, cookies, or a cold beer... whew, I do and they r getting worse. Never lost weight counting calories unless it was starvation.... I saw something on carb cycling...idk..sounds good..anyone tried it LATELY

mariposssa
04-15-2012, 07:03 PM
I'm doing carb cycling. It is working well. Chris Powell trainer from Extreme Makeover diet edition has a carb cycling book out. I saw him on Dr Oz, but thought his plan has a lot of rules. I decided to choose rules that I could live with ;) and so far it is working!

dinomama
04-16-2012, 08:05 AM
Mariposssa, I would love any info you can share..I saw the dr oz thing as well but did not go any frther with my research... One thing I did read a while back I think on 3fc said a 40 min walk 6 days a week helps reverse this ??? I just ordered some sneakers and am on my way to walking daily again

astrophe
04-16-2012, 08:53 AM
Yep -- another PCOS/IR person.

I'm not sure what info you are seeking, but googling "insulin resistance" can help.

Before I knew what my dx was I felt all those things -- cravings, shaky, anxiety, cranky, brain fog... it all comes from mismanaged blood sugar.

Exercise can help burn extra insulin floating around in the system.

There's several video clips at youtube that animate/explain IR -- may be worth taking a peek.

A.

AnaBee
04-17-2012, 06:12 PM
Rana and Mariposssa described my experiences to a T. I used to think I was developing an eating disorder because I was hungry all the time, I started eating secretly. Because yeah, when you eat a meal that would leave your sporty boyfriend in a food coma and you are still hungry an hour later, you definitely don't feel like a normal person. It did lead to bingeing for the sake of bingeing too, but now I know how to manage my IR that's reduced by like 95%.

My doctor prescribed metformin (the extended release version). It was good in that it stopped me being permanently hungry, but it hasn't really helped with weightloss and in some ways hinders it because when I eat low carb and take the 2000mg dose I feel crummy all the time. My GP has cut the dose to 1000mg and I feel much better so I'm going to speak to my specialist about this. I think now that I now that I'm happy doing low carb, the higher dose isn't necessary. But while he advocates lower carb, I don't think he's expecting most of his patients to be as low as I am.

I can totally relate to that feeling of knowing when things are out of wack that Mariposssa describes and I can trace that back all the way through my teens. As skinny little kid I could eat tonnes and tonnes of carbs (and wanted to and did) but it was like puberty made something snap and ended my ability to do so without gaining weight.

shareli
04-17-2012, 07:25 PM
I hope you don't mind if I jump in.

I recently read [I]Wheat Belly[I] by William Davis, MD, a preventive cardiologist. In it he reveals what he's learned about our genetically modified, modern day wheat and what it does to us. One of the things he learned -- and forgive me because I don't know or remember the scientific terminology -- is the addictive quality of wheat and how it affects the same part of the brain that is affected by addictive illegal drugs and does it in the same way. So no wonder we're hungry for more of what triggers our addiction: wheat/bread/etc.

I went very low carb at the beginning of February to get my IR back under control. I have succeeded and also achieved a 66% drop in triglycerides and a 33% rise in HDL. My numbers are terrific, according to my doc, and my addiction is happily gone. My appetite is normal and I eat when I should, but all cravings are gone.

I've morphed from very low carb to glycemic load, going easy on high-sugar fruits and really starchy legumes. Weight loss has stalled for now, but my clothes keep getting looser. Eventually it will show up on the scale.

Here is a comment from Dr. Davis's blog: polycystic ovarian syndrome and ovarian cancer cannot be directly blamed on wheat consumption, but wheat does make the phenomenon, such as insulin resistance, surrounding polycystic ovaries worse.

neshi82
04-17-2012, 07:38 PM
Is it normal to flux weight, I have been following my diet with the rare taco here an there finally started going back to the gym after losing 42 almost 45 lbs almost now I gained 6 lbs in this day. I am sorry I am new and have been so proud.

Rana
04-21-2012, 12:10 PM
I hope you don't mind if I jump in.

I recently read Wheat Belly[I] by William Davis, MD, a preventive cardiologist. In it he reveals what he's learned about our genetically modified, modern day wheat and what it does to us. One of the things he learned -- and forgive me because I don't know or remember the scientific terminology -- is the addictive quality of wheat and how it affects the same part of the brain that is affected by addictive illegal drugs and does it in the same way. So no wonder we're hungry for more of what triggers our addiction: wheat/bread/etc.

I went very low carb at the beginning of February to get my IR back under control. I have succeeded and also achieved a 66% drop in triglycerides and a 33% rise in HDL. My numbers are terrific, according to my doc, and my addiction is happily gone. My appetite is normal and I eat when I should, but all cravings are gone.

I've morphed from very low carb to glycemic load, going easy on high-sugar fruits and really starchy legumes. Weight loss has stalled for now, but my clothes keep getting looser. Eventually it will show up on the scale.

Here is a comment from Dr. Davis's blog: polycystic ovarian syndrome and ovarian cancer cannot be directly blamed on wheat consumption, but wheat does make the phenomenon, such as insulin resistance, surrounding polycystic ovaries worse.

Yep, I read his blog too and I do agree with his assessment.

I have been eliminating wheat from my diet (when I know it's there). When I travel, it's the worst, because I have less control over what I am eating (especially in business settings) but I have been more successful over time. I don't find that potatoes cause my IR to rise as much, but [I]white rice is the WORST, after wheat-products.

dinomama
04-24-2012, 03:44 PM
I have had a history of night eating from time to time and let me tell ya if I have noodles or taters as the main ingredient at dinner I am starving at 2am!
The wheat belly sounds super intresting

Kierra
04-27-2012, 11:52 AM
I have long suspected I am insulin resistant. Lately I am constantly tired and irritable and I get the brain fogginess and inability to focus a lot. I've been eating low carb and while I feel a little less irritable I am still not losing weight.

maggie2
05-14-2012, 11:16 AM
I think, for me, the biggest symptom is the craving for sugar/white bread/white rice/cookies/cakes, etc. (crappy carbs), and then the cycle of being hungry after eating them.

In fact, I finally went to the doctor to take care of this three or four years ago because I was eating lunch, then an hour later, I was hungry again, and my boyfriend would look at me and say, "I'm full. That was a big lunch. How can you possibly be hungry again?!" And he's a lot taller/bigger than I am!

I would whine I was still hungry and eat a slice of cake.

Then I would be starving for dinner.

When I finally cleaned up my eating, those crazy cravings were gone. I think with eating healthier and exercise, I did get my energy back, but I hadn't noticed it was gone. I think I can look back and say that I have more energy now.

Boy, Rana, can I relate to that. I've just learned something about cravings that I want to share with you all.

When my endo. explained that I have insulin resistance he also explained about cravings. Here's what he told me and it makes sense and not only that, I have seen it in my own life.

He said that our body craves carbs because we are starved for energy. Insulin is supposed to cause our cells to open up to allow glucose in. It is glucose that creates the energy we need to live. It is the fuel that runs our body.

When we are insulin resistant the cells do not respond to the insulin and that means we are not getting enough glucose in our cells so that our bodies can function properly. This causes a craving for carbs that is physical, not emotional in nature.

I always wondered why I found it almost impossible to resist those carb cravings. The reason they are so strong is that it is our physical body screaming for fuel! It has nothing to do with emotions or willpower!

And I know this is so. I was a Sprite junkie and would drink between 3 and 4 cans a day. Two nights ago I went to the fridge for a drink and thought I'd have a Sprite. Then I thought, naw, I'll just have water.

Next day I had a real epiphany. Once the metformin had a chance to get my cells to open up to let glucose in I have stopped craving carbs. It has had nothing to do with willpower at all. Those cravings were physical in nature and that's why they were so powerful.

I now have more energy, am not exhausted all the time and am losing some weight as well. So it's all good!

So if you are craving carbs, that's probably why. I can't believe the difference! So don't blame yourself, go ask your doctor if you can take some metformin to help the cells accept glucose and I think you'll find your carb cravings subside a lot.

And last night I went out for supper for Mother's Day and I ate more than I usually do and also ate dessert. Bad choice! Today I have brain fog, I'm tired as all getout and I just want to sleep! Lesson learned! I will now have to get back on track and I expect it will take a few days for me to start feeling better. Oh well, now I know just how much damage that can do!

Marg

maggie2
05-14-2012, 11:18 AM
All of u described me to a T..especially Maggie2. Do u have a carb craving sometime in the afternoon where you would pull the wiskers off a kitten for a carb...chips, cookies, or a cold beer... whew, I do and they r getting worse. Never lost weight counting calories unless it was starvation.... I saw something on carb cycling...idk..sounds good..anyone tried it LATELY

Yup, I used to have carb cravings in the afternoon. But I also had them lots of times in the day. The cravings have subsided now that I'm on the metformin. Take a look at my post above for more information on the cravings.
Marg

dinomama
05-15-2012, 12:58 PM
What a wealth of knowldge from yur posts...I am in need of an idiot proof diet plan....well more like a meal plan for IR...I am a good cook and do like to make things in advance but I want something to get me started and is free :0...any suggestions

ImOverIt
06-15-2012, 02:32 PM
I am IR and PCOS (and Hashimotos and was bordering on adrenal fatigue and prediabetic).

I recently saw a homeopathic/holistic doctor and nutrionist and we are going to figure this thing out and help me to avoid getting worse (instead of better).

She has me on a strict, no carb (at all) diet for 30 days (Paleo structured minus the starchy veggies). I'm on day 6 and still figuring it out.

Hoping for answers and healing (looking like lifetime glutenfree diet - apparenty gluten is the worst thing EVER for people with auto-immune problems! Look into it!!).

Good luck to everyone - would love to have some pals during this interesting/ever-changing process :D

dinomama
06-16-2012, 10:16 AM
I am more and more convinced processed food, high carbs and starch are killing us all....pls keep us posted on your findings IMOVERIT... Will look into the gluten thing well...I have OA and rosace like mad all autoimmune

maggie2
07-21-2012, 11:47 AM
Just wanted to find out how everyone is doing with the insulin resistance. Has anyone found a diet that is working for them? I am not doing low carb or no carb because I know that our bodies still need carbs for fuel.

I am doing something that I guess is a cross between the glycemic index diet and low carb. I call it slow carbs. I try to pick carbs that are slow burning and take longer to get absorbed and turned into glucose. This helps to keep our insulin and glucose levels from spiking and instead, gives them a slow burn.

Additionally, I really try to eat protein with my carbs. I read somewhere that for every 15 grams of carbs you should eat 7 grams of protein so I really do try to do that and it seems to be helping.

I also try to eat something acidic with carbs. Things like tomatoes, pickles, or anything with vinegar or acid in it. Apparently this helps slow the rate at which we absorb the carbs as well.

So far I have lost 27.6 pounds, but right now I'm going up a pound, down a pound, up half a pound, down a pound, etc. etc. Not sure what is happening but am going to my endo. on Monday so should find out more then.

Hope everyone is doing well!

Marg

Anyone else got any good tips?

Rana
07-21-2012, 12:05 PM
Exercise... it helps improve insulin sensitivity.

ernurse12
07-21-2012, 09:12 PM
I am day 8-ish of my South Beach Phase one and am really struggling at night for a snack. I used to eat popcorn (air popped) but it isn't allowed in phase 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for SB snacks?

maggie2
07-21-2012, 09:19 PM
I am day 8-ish of my South Beach Phase one and am really struggling at night for a snack. I used to eat popcorn (air popped) but it isn't allowed in phase 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for SB snacks?

I'm sure this is not what you want to hear, but if I were you, I'd go ahead and eat my popcorn. I don't know enough about the South Beach diet to give you ideas for snacks. But I do know that popcorn is one of the things you should be able to eat without any consequences.

Good luck with your diet and let us know how it's going!

Marg

kaplods
07-21-2012, 10:27 PM
I've found that I have to cut carbs lower than I would like to, in order to consistently lose weight and control hunger. I don't like it, and it's hard for me to truly believe that "it's healthy," but I find it's the only thing that WORKS - so I've got to choose between eating what "seems healthy" and eating what allows me to lose weight.

I don't do "no carb" either, but I have to virtually eliminate grains and drastically limit fruits. Eating grain daily or eating more than a few servings of fruit daily can and does stall my weight loss.

Of course, I gained most of my weighty on "healthy food." I was a bit of a food snob, even at 394 lbs. The food pyramid really helped me gain the figure of a pyramid.

I don't limit non-starchy veggies, as they don't seem to be a problem food for me. Non-starchy veggies are probably the only food group that I haven't overeaten enough to have stalled weight loss on.

Everything else, I limit in some way. I use an exchange plan and just kept experimenting until I found a calorie-level and food group balance that worked best for me in controlling hunger and promoting weight loss.

The hardest part has been giving up breads. I had to give up wheat, because I was having an allergic reaction - and most of the wheat-alternative breads and pastas were really horrible, so it was easier to give up bread than it was to find edible bread. I still do eat two to three servings of carb, but the list of grains/starches that don't seem to cause me problems is a lot shorter than I would like (starchy veggies like sweetcorn, peas, beats, carrots, and potatoes - white and sweet - and a few grains and pseudo grains such as oatmeal, quinoa, wild rice, and less frequently rice and corn tortillas).

It's been hard to adjust to the idea that grains aren't a "necessary food group" even though grains aren't a natural part of any primate diet, and humans have been eating grains and large amounts of non-fiber carbohydrates for a only a very small fraction of our history.

Trying to eat truly natural foods (foods that are most like those that grow in the wild, unassisted and unaltered by man) has been difficult, but I lose and feel better when I do.

I do think it's possible to eat "too few" carbs, but I think "too few" is a very relative term. I'm finding that both "too few" and "too many" are both far smaller amounts of carbohydrate than I originally would have ever believed.

dinomama
07-22-2012, 09:38 AM
ernurse12, there is a recipe out there where u mix cream cheese, sfjello and regular cool whip also there is a cookie recipe on Kaylins kitchen( i think thats it) maybe help with the snax....week 2 of phase one for me .....no change in the scale too much this week but clothes r a little looser...

ernurse12
07-23-2012, 01:14 PM
Thanks for your suggestions! I agree that popcorn isn't the worse food for you to snack on however, for me popcorn leads to wanting sweets so I am trying to give a lower carb snack a try :)

maggie2
07-27-2012, 10:51 AM
What a wealth of knowldge from yur posts...I am in need of an idiot proof diet plan....well more like a meal plan for IR...I am a good cook and do like to make things in advance but I want something to get me started and is free :0...any suggestions

Am I allowed to give a web site here on the forums? If so, I could recommend a site for you.

Okay, I just read the information on links, so I will put it here. This is my personal site and I have several recipes on it that are low glycemic. I will be adding more as time goes on and I'll also be setting up a way for anyone to find out when a new recipe has been added. You can check it out at www.low-glycemic-recipes.net

And I just wanted to say that I have now lost 29.6 pounds. I'm thrilled with that! My recipes must be doing something right! Yeah! Sorry, I don't mean to brag, I'm just so darn happy that the pounds are coming off.

dinomama
07-28-2012, 12:48 PM
Brag away girl! I will even do a happy dance for ya! Love the site and TY for the help... Cannot believe how better I feel not eating starches!

Lunalore
07-31-2012, 06:57 PM
Hey everyone! I just wanted to introduce myself... I'm Luna, and I've been on this weight loss journey (well, this particular one) since November 2011. So far, I've lost nearly 90 pounds. The thing is, my obesity has caused and/or exacerbated many health conditions, including high cholesterol, high triglycerides, PCOS, and insulin resistance/prediabetes. The cholesterol and triglyceride numbers have gone down quite a bit as I've lost weight - yay! - but the PCOS and the blood sugar has just gotten worse somehow. Recently, I've been told by doctors and a nutritionist that a low-carb diet could help me with these two conditions. I didn't want to hear that, because I love carbs. Like, seriously, seriously love carbs. Even with my reduced calorie diet, I will sit down and eat a whole (regular sized) bag of 94% fat free popcorn and feel okay with that. I will often eat a cup of brown rice or whole grain pasta for dinner (and lunch!), as well as cereal for breakfast. Again, the cereal will be high fiber. But still with 30 grams of carbs. All told, I often eat about 250-320 grams of carbs a day. On a reduced calorie diet.

Well, I've been reading more about more about the low-carb diets. In fact, for the past couple days I've made a concerted effort to reduce the amount of carbs I eat. It's been incredibly hard! I feel like, I don't even know what to eat. I know I need to do more research into this. I guess I was just wondering if any of you guys could tell me more about any benefits you have seen from following a lower carb diet? Like, is the deprivation of not eating bread worth the benefits you see?

Thanks in advance!

Rana
08-01-2012, 10:34 AM
There is no deprivation for me to not eat bread!

It's funny, but when I switched, I also couldn't imagine it -- what would I eat?!

First things first, you have to eat vegetables and fruits, because of their nutrients and fiber. So, you need to start making sure you're getting your five servings of vegetables every day -- leaf greens like spinach or kale or even lettuce! Then you have your other vegetables like green beans, snap peas, etc. They are so good!

As for fruit, avoid the high carb fruit, like grapes and bananas and eat a lot of berries and apples (low sugar fruits).

Then make sure you're getting your lean proteins.

Then, for your fiber and overall well-being, you can add a carb, like 1/2 cup of brown rice, o quinoa, or another whole/high fiber carb.

Snacks, as examples:
Apple with cashew butter (mmmm love cashew butter)
Fruit salad (cut up fruit, eat)

Last night's dinner:
6 oz (raw) skirt steak with salad

Breakfast:
A recipe I found on 3FC, for apple eggs (apples in eggs and sprinkled with parmesan! so good!)


If you have PCOS (I do too), then you really do have to watch your blood sugar levels and all the refined carbs (don't believe the hype of "whole grains") that you're eating at breakfast and through breads is going to be sending your BGL all over the place.

Whole foods, non-processed, focused on vegetables (fiber!) and lean protein (if you're vegetarian, you also have options), is the way to go.

dinomama
08-01-2012, 04:31 PM
DO IT! I am addicted to carbs like mad....I made a menu for 2 weeks and stuck 2 it,, the first 3 days are the worst...no lie but make that menu and know what you are eating every minute of the day..I cannot add much if any grains into my diet w/o going thru cravings again...I eat LOTS of veggies meat and cheese ....

ringmaster
08-14-2012, 10:33 AM
A doctor can test to see if you are insulin resistant, correct? If you are, then do they usually prescribe metformin?

Rana
08-14-2012, 01:44 PM
A doctor can test to see if you are insulin resistant, correct? If you are, then do they usually prescribe metformin?

Yes, usually endocrinologists can do the testing.

Metformin can be prescribed, but it's not automatic. It depends on the doctor, the companies they deal with, and whether or not they believe in exercise/diet.

At the end of the day, exercise and diet are the key factors. Even with Metformin, if you don't eat low carb, you will be gastro upsets.

danigirl906
08-17-2012, 10:17 PM
You might want to take a look at the Metabolism Miracle by Diane (or Diana) Kress. She talks about there being a different kind of metabolism that she refers to as "Metabolism B". The initial phase is 2 months and it is essentially reprogramming your pancreas because at any given time you do not eat more than 5 net carbs. You can for go them, but they can't stack up. The idea behind it is forcing your body to only produce a certain amount of insulin so it regulates your blood sugar and other functions. I don't know whether this is helpful or not, but I figured I would throw it out there. I am completing Day 4 today and I feel good. I have a long history of diabetes in my family and my aunt just recently dies of pancreatic cancer. Nothing motivates me like the idea of meeting my maker and struggling to get older. Best of luck to all!

FunSize
08-22-2012, 01:44 AM
I am just dying to know if there is some sort of link between birth control pills and insulin resistance.
I can lose weight fairly well on a reduced calorie diet as long as I am on birth control pills.
If I go OFF birth control pills, I can't lose weight on a reduced calorie diet. It has to be low carb.

WHY IS THIS? Very frustrating!!

At any rate. I am eliminating bread/pasta/flour, etc from my diet again. I knew my IR was flaring up again when I have been wanting to sleep all the time. When my IR is bad, I don't want to get out of bed and I want to sleep all afternoon. Even though I've been eating 1200-1800 calories for the last 2 months, I have not lost a single pound. I've been eating tons of bananas, toast, rice, pasta, etc. AND.. I've been getting up at 1am to raid the cubbards. I will steal my daughters sweetened cereals and wash it down with almond milk! I couldn't stop myself, it was like my body NEEDED carbs in the middle of the night. So I knew I needed to do something once I realized it was my IR.

Day 2 of eating less than 75g of carbs, no more naps. I've had steady energy all day.
I still got up in the middle of the night last night but forced myself to eat a small cube of cheese and did not eat any carbs.

I am going to try and wittle it down to 50g if I can. I plan on still eating 1/2 cup of organic short grain brown rice once or twice a week but no more bread and pasta for sure!

Will post back soon on how I am doing!

Rana
08-22-2012, 10:45 AM
I am just dying to know if there is some sort of link between birth control pills and insulin resistance.
I can lose weight fairly well on a reduced calorie diet as long as I am on birth control pills.
If I go OFF birth control pills, I can't lose weight on a reduced calorie diet. It has to be low carb.


My endocrinologist confirmed what I had read about BCP and Insulin Resistance -- birth control pills CONTRIBUTE to insulin resistance.

I don't know why you are less likely to eat carbs when you're on the Pill -- for me, I was CRAZY for carbs on the pill. And developing my IR was proof of it.

FunSize
08-22-2012, 05:20 PM
My endocrinologist confirmed what I had read about BCP and Insulin Resistance -- birth control pills CONTRIBUTE to insulin resistance.

I don't know why you are less likely to eat carbs when you're on the Pill -- for me, I was CRAZY for carbs on the pill. And developing my IR was proof of it.

I am not sure if I ate less carbs on the pill, but I felt a million times better on b/c and weight fell off as long as I didn't over eat calories!
I have not been able to lose a single pound since going off bcp in May! And I am retaining water like crazy to boot. My fingers and hands are swollen all the time now.. Could this be related to IR? I read somewhere that IR makes us retain sodium.

But.. day 3 of watching carbs and I already feel better though so I am on the right track!
Scale was down 1lb today, also!

FunSize
08-22-2012, 05:23 PM
How many carbs are you guys eating to help with your IR?? I am trying to come up with a good plan but I want to understand the science of it, too.

Is there a certain amount of even "good" carbs that will make blood sugar spike?
I just want to keep my blood sugar steady-freddy!

Rana
08-22-2012, 10:08 PM
How many carbs are you guys eating to help with your IR?? I am trying to come up with a good plan but I want to understand the science of it, too.

Is there a certain amount of even "good" carbs that will make blood sugar spike?
I just want to keep my blood sugar steady-freddy!

I think everyone is an experiment of one. In other words what works for someone may not work for you.

In my case, I discovered very recently that restricting calories was not enough. I played around and now, if I am eating 150 grams of carbs or less, I can lose weight.

If I am eating more, then I can't.

But, what made it so difficult to get to this point is that I was eating the healthy carbs -- brown rice, legumes, no breads, no pasta, no cookies or cakes, no candy bars, fruits and veggies -- however my carbs were usually around 200 or 250. Too high.

Now, I'm getting my carbs exclusively from fruits/veggies and I've been able to get my weight moving down again.

So, experiment around.

Getting off BCP didn't cause water retention for me.

mariposssa
08-22-2012, 10:41 PM
I lose better when I keep my carb count under 100.

berryblondeboys
08-22-2012, 11:04 PM
I too lose better and have no carb cravings if i keep my net carbs around 100 or lower. AND those carbs I eat are all fruits/vegetable carbs. I simply don't eat grains and sugars and I feel better.

I was a TOTAL carb queen. Like I could live off of fat and carbs. Who cares about protein when there's fat and carbs. Well... the carbs made me feel like crap and were ruining my health. Getting rid of them was the best thing I ever did. Who needs rice, bread, etc anyway? They are just fillers. I don't need fillers!

AnaBee
08-25-2012, 09:23 PM
Yes, usually endocrinologists can do the testing.

Metformin can be prescribed, but it's not automatic. It depends on the doctor, the companies they deal with, and whether or not they believe in exercise/diet.

At the end of the day, exercise and diet are the key factors. Even with Metformin, if you don't eat low carb, you will be gastro upsets.


That's interesting that you have gastro upsets if you don't eat low carb on Metformin. I find the opposite - I get less side effects if I'm eating higher carb, but of course, that's pointless since low carb helps improve insulin resistance. I ended up having to cut my metformin dose when I got serious about being really low carb (atkins levels). If I'm around 50-100g grams, it probably wouldn't matter so much.

The test for insulin resistance is the Glucose Tolerance Test with insulin (the regular test doesn't include insulin). You can see the really high insulin spike that keeps blood sugars in line (so I always looked fine on diabetes tests) that shows there's a problem. Without having insulin tested people just keep showing normal on diabetes blood tests until eventually their bodies struggle to make enough insulin and the blood sugar levels creep up to pre-diabetes levels and then full blown diabetes.

Funsize, years ago I lost weigh on the BCP and then gained when I went off it. I asked my doctor about it recently and she wondered if the consistent levels of hormones worked for me. We don't know for sure but she said it wasn't as unusual as I thought it was.

It's interesting to hear that you guys are losing on 50-100gs. I have been struggling with really low carb (and totally went off it while travelling and have been paying the price with non stop gaining lately, gotta love my IR body's ability to pile on the pounds so fast, not).

Rana
08-25-2012, 10:24 PM
That's interesting that you have gastro upsets if you don't eat low carb on Metformin. I find the opposite - I get less side effects if I'm eating higher carb, but of course, that's pointless since low carb helps improve insulin resistance. I ended up having to cut my metformin dose when I got serious about being really low carb (atkins levels). If I'm around 50-100g grams, it probably wouldn't matter so much.

The test for insulin resistance is the Glucose Tolerance Test with insulin (the regular test doesn't include insulin). You can see the really high insulin spike that keeps blood sugars in line (so I always looked fine on diabetes tests) that shows there's a problem. Without having insulin tested people just keep showing normal on diabetes blood tests until eventually their bodies struggle to make enough insulin and the blood sugar levels creep up to pre-diabetes levels and then full blown diabetes.

Funsize, years ago I lost weigh on the BCP and then gained when I went off it. I asked my doctor about it recently and she wondered if the consistent levels of hormones worked for me. We don't know for sure but she said it wasn't as unusual as I thought it was.

It's interesting to hear that you guys are losing on 50-100gs. I have been struggling with really low carb (and totally went off it while travelling and have been paying the price with non stop gaining lately, gotta love my IR body's ability to pile on the pounds so fast, not).

I think it has everything to do with how Metformin is helping your physiology. Metformin is supposed to make your cells more sensitive to insulin, correct? I wonder how the glucose in your blood affects you with the Metformin and if that's what causes the differences.

I'll add that I'm losing weight with being under 150 grams of carbs, but I also will add that I'm not eating dairy or grains. I eliminated those from my diet because I was beginning to see a pattern of what looked like a milk allergy and I am testing that by not eating dairy for a while. And eliminating grains was something that I decided to add as a way to reduce my dependence on carbs and stay with the 150 or less based on my veggies and fruits and nuts.

FunSize
08-27-2012, 02:05 PM
FINALLY!!! After months.. and months.. of wavering between 178.8 and 182..... I am 177.8 this morning. FINALLY! Eating 1200 calories for 4 weeks straight did not break me through... but eating low carb has!! Finally!

missangelaks
08-31-2012, 08:07 PM
I have gone low carb and gluten free and loved hearing all the great info on how much it has helped other people! I am insulin resistant (glucose intolerant), and have PCOS as well. The carb cravings are subsiding (1 week into LC diet) and my energy is starting to pick up. Thanks for all the input!

Joyous4Jesus
09-25-2012, 10:54 AM
Hi everyone!

My name is Jamie, I'm 23 and I have been struggling with my weight for about 4 years. I entered college weighing 148. I started exercising and became very active. I ended up losing 20 pounds, weighing 128. I felt really good, healthy, and larger than life! I soon got Mono and felt too exhausted to work out or been even the slightest bit active. I often feel "weird", shakey, distracted. I have dealt with some hypoglycemia and monitor my blood sugar. I have since gained 120 pounds and currently weigh about 240 at 5 foot 4 and a half. I try to eat a low carb, high protein, high fiber diet with lean meats and vegetables along with aiming for a 1400-1600 calorie diet. Sure, I sometimes go over, but it's usually with healthy food!

I thought my weight gain was due to lack of exercise but even with this diet I can't seem to lose weight. I stopped having my periods and my doctor put me on provera. I just recently got inusrance, thank the Lord and went to see a gynocologist last week. He ran some blood tests and did a sonogram to check for cysts, thyroid problem, and my insulin.

My thyroid and male hormones came back normal, however he said that my fasting insulin level was too high at 22. I was surprised to find this out because my blood sugars are not high.

I understand now why I am gaining weight and not losing-because my body keeps storing the carbs and fat!! But why is it still high now that I'm on a low carb diet???

My doctor is going to set me up with a reproductive doctor, and mentioned putting me on metforum(?). Does anyone suggest this pill? Are there any negative side effects? Is this why I have hypoglycemic tendancies but not sugar highs??

Any advice would be helpful!! Totally new to this insulin resistance! Thanks :)

AnaBee
09-28-2012, 12:16 AM
I'll add that I'm losing weight with being under 150 grams of carbs, but I also will add that I'm not eating dairy or grains. I eliminated those from my diet because I was beginning to see a pattern of what looked like a milk allergy and I am testing that by not eating dairy for a while. And eliminating grains was something that I decided to add as a way to reduce my dependence on carbs and stay with the 150 or less based on my veggies and fruits and nuts.

Good for you giving up the dairy! Ugh, I keep trying - I think it contributes to a lot of my respiratory problems - but I find it so hard. I am strictly gluten free and in general I avoid grains but I've been thoroughly off the wagon lately. A few pages back someone mentioned problems with white rice and I totally agree, I might as well just eat sugar from the sugar bowl.

Someone also asked about popcorn. I can't eat it - gives me crazy, crazy cravings and while for some people it might be a good snack, I don't think it is for those of us with IR.

Hey Jamie. Usually with IR our insulin is high but it's still keeping our sugars normal. Down the track though it can deteriorate and people develop type 2 diabetes.

Metformin is supposed to help the cells become more insulin sensitive. Overall it's supposed to be a pretty safe drug to take and millions of diabetics take it too so they have a lot of data on it. There can be some complications so your doctor will monitor you but I've taken it for about 3 years now with no problems. The regular version can be pretty brutal on the digestive system at first though, even the extended release version (which is what I take) needs you to slowly increase the dosage or omg you never leave the bathroom!

For me Metformin helped get rid of that shakey suddenly insanely hungry feeling. I used to think that I could eat my own arms I was so starving. Also learning how to eat better *for me* helped (learning that there was a physiological reason that low fat high carb was a total nightmare for my body, no matter what the stupid pyramid says)

exalya
10-20-2012, 03:51 PM
I found out just this week that I have IR/PCOS. When I was younger I used to eat low carb because my mother always did, and I was at a normal weight. When I moved out and got married, I started eating regular carbs like everyone else and I gained over 70 pounds. I was so frustrated because I wasn't eating more than most people, and I always ate "healthy." It felt unfair. I tried to explain to my doctor at the time that I was not just eating out of control and I felt like something was wrong, but she didn't believe me. I tried several diets to no avail, and then I completely gave up on trying at all for a while. I didn't want to go back onto a low carb diet because I thought hey, there are plenty of other low cal diets, why should I have to give up on bread completely?

I'm actually currently in med school, and while studying PCOS a couple months ago I realized that I had a lot of the more vague symptoms (hair growth, irregular periods, acanthosis), so I brought them up with my OBGYN. It feels good to finally have an explanation for my problems.

This is just my second day back on low-carb after 5 years of wondering how on earth I gained so much weight and couldn't lose it. I have high hopes, especially after reading this thread!

ChickieBoom
11-01-2012, 11:58 AM
Low carb has been the answer for me. It's completely eliminated my sugar cravings. Eating clean has also been incredibly helpful. I eat Greek yogurt and fruit for breakfast most mornings and lean protein and veggies for lunch and dinner with a salad with both meals. I'm never hungry and I feel so much healthier.

heather_dw
11-16-2012, 02:57 PM
I just read a book from amazon called the Insulin resistance diet. It seemed very straightforward! I'd recommend it

Nora52
12-20-2012, 09:20 PM
I have Insulin Resistance too. I feel like I have found kinred spirits here ! All my life I would eat and then feel hungry an hour later. My family would laugh at me. Finally put onto Metformin last year and it helped for a while... but the biggest help has been my new Diet... Wheat Belly.. I really like it.. Have lost 15 kg so far..but the best is having no hunger. I really think I can reach goal weight now!! :)