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followthebeat
02-26-2007, 01:37 AM
I'm finding that I run out of motivation to exercise at home pretty quicky. I have a stationary bike and some light free weights. I'm considering joining a gym, but am feeling self conscious about working out in front of other people. In town, we have a Curves and a Gold's Gym, and I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations or thoughts about one or the other.:?:


baffled111
02-26-2007, 01:54 AM
Hi followthebeat,

If you are at all concerned about women's rights and reproductive freedom, don't give your money to Curves. The founder/CEO channels large sums of money (Curves profits) into anti-choice, anti-womens' sovereignty groups like Operation Save America. The man also served time in prison for failing to pay child support (irony, anyone?). I wouldn't join a Curves if it were the only gym in the world, but ymmv.

Nikaia
02-26-2007, 02:19 AM
Do you have any hard evidence to back that up, baffled? My mom does Curves, and I used to; I've never heard anything about those kinds of practices. If there is some record of it, could you point me to it? Thanks.


MariaMaria
02-26-2007, 03:00 AM
I'm not baffled but It's been well documented. You can start here:

http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/articles/articles/decline-pp-central-tx.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/29/EDGAB6C1IO1.DTL

AJsMommy
02-26-2007, 07:09 AM
As a past Curves employee of 3 years, and a current member...I highly recommend Curves to anyone. It's non-impact strength training is right for anyone, at any fitness level. The more YOU work, the better YOUR results. You'll hear people complain that they aren't getting anything out of the workout, and if you watch them workout...you'll see they are using the 30 minutes as a gossip session. You cannot hold a conversation and work out at your full potential.
Curves is very active in many community events as well, which I find very rewarding. They participate in March of Dimes, Breast Cancer awareness, Food Drives, Most clubs adopt a family at Christmas, etc.
If you're uncomfortable working out amongst men, which I think most women are as most gyms are meat markets these days....Curves may just be what you're looking for.

almostheaven
02-26-2007, 10:12 AM
I really wish people would just consider facts before downing Curves for what the founder decides to do with his own money and time. Do people bash Microsoft because they don't agree with Bill Gate's political affiliations?

OP, if you're self-conscious about exercising in front of people, you're going to do better at Curves...IF you don't let the media hype leave you feeling that CURVES donates to organizations you don't agree with rather than the FOUNDER of Curves. Separate the two. He's going to make his money in one form or another, whether you join Curves or not.

Anyway, Curves is ALL women, and NO mirrors. That's what it's about. You don't have to look at yourself, don't have to worry about guys. And the women there aren't models. They're women just like you, some larger, some smaller.

almostheaven
02-26-2007, 10:14 AM
You'll hear people complain that they aren't getting anything out of the workout, and if you watch them workout...you'll see they are using the 30 minutes as a gossip session. You cannot hold a conversation and work out at your full potential.
I noticed that same trend. I tried not to talk while working out. Even on the recovery stations, since I didn't believe in recovering so much as working out. I worked out on those too. :D

almostheaven
02-26-2007, 10:19 AM
Those two articles were eye-openers. Did you read them? If I was trying to claim that he funnels money into anti-women's groups, I would NOT have used the two articles you did. Those articles SPECIFICALLY show that he gives money (from his profits via Curves AND other income BTW) to organizations that will NOT perform abortions. They provide health care, adoption services, counseling to women, etc. Their ONLY difference is that they do not provide abortions. The man is a Christian. He will NOT fund something he doesn't believe in. So it gets twisted around to say he's funding something else he doesn't believe in, like anti-women groups, etc. :(

marbleflys
02-26-2007, 10:26 AM
In the long run, you would get more value for your $$ out of joining Gold's...because of the variety...classes, wts, variable cardio, personal trainer option, free wts, machines, LOCKERS & SHOWER. some may have a pool

a co-ed gym isn't always a *meat market*, most people are there for the same purpose, physical fitness.

I joined my local curves for a short time, the prices were similar to what I paid for a Gold's membership, about $30.-35. per month plus the *initiation* fee of $150. it probably varies from state to state.

...I hated having to lock my purse in the trunk of my car, no locker room. Once you've mastered the machine, there is no way of increasing the weight to challenge yourself.

Nikaia
02-27-2007, 12:36 AM
Do people bash Microsoft because they don't agree with Bill Gate's political affiliations?

I can think of better reasons to bash Micro$uck, like shoddy OS's and gaping holes patched way after the fact, etc...

IF you don't let the media hype leave you feeling that CURVES donates to organizations you don't agree with rather than the FOUNDER of Curves.

Curves, the organization, does not. But the CEO of the organization DOES. With money that he makes from the women who join Curves.

He's going to make his money in one form or another, whether you join Curves or not.

You're right. Just like Walmart isn't going to close down just because I don't shop there. But the loudest voice I have, as a consumer in this country, is with my money and where I spend it. So for the sake of MY conscience, I'm going to put my money towards businesses - and therefore the people who run them - that are oriented towards the things that I believe in. Throwing one's hands up and going with the crowd just because "it's going to happen anyway" is no solution.

Thanks for the links, Maria. I had not ever seen that stuff before - which is kind of surprising considering I work with my local Students for Reproductive Justice, and that's just the sort of thing we usually hear about.

I love the *concept* behind Curves. I enjoyed working out there, all those years ago. It's helped my mom immeasurably, because I KNOW she wouldn't be comfortable in a regular gym, and I'd rather she be doing *something* than nothing, even if I may prefer she do that something somewhere else. Priorities, y'know?

But I cannot in good conscience ever give my money to that organization again, knowing that it will (eventually) make its way upstream to a man who donates to those kinds of....organizations.

Again, thanks for the heads-up, Maria and baffled.

almostheaven
02-27-2007, 11:07 AM
But I cannot in good conscience ever give my money to that organization again, knowing that it will (eventually) make its way upstream to a man who donates to those kinds of....organizations.
What kinds of organizations would those be?

Nikaia
02-27-2007, 12:29 PM
Operation Save America, for one - fiercely anti-choice organizations like that are NOT where I want my money going, however indirectly. CareNet, which instead of simply providing unbiased health care to women who ask for it, is designed to push women into doing things "their way". I'm pro-choice. I don't want my money supporting organizations whose purpose is to stop women from being able to get a safe and legal abortion.

djs06
02-27-2007, 01:27 PM
I'm glad someone brought that up. Here's a salon article that discusses it in depth:

http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2004/05/19/curves/index.html

You have to sit through a "commercial" to read it, but it's an interesting read, whatever your opinion is on the issue.

There's also an organization called "Curvers for choice" (curvers for choice dot org) of women who are pro-choice and use curves as a tool for their weight loss. If you want to join Curves and are hesitant only because of that, I'd check that out.

Personally, I've never stepped foot in one and don't plan to for that reason as well as the fact that I'd just rather go to a regular gym and do 60 minutes of cardio. Curves is great for some people I know, but not for me from what I know of it. I'm sure both gyms have a free pass; why not try them out and see what you like better? Good luck!

nelie
02-27-2007, 02:13 PM
Gyms are really what you make them. You will get more versatility at Gold's. They will offer a variety of equipment and classes. If you aren't used to exercising, Curves may be a good start but you should outgrow it fairly quickly.

I belong to Bally's and I can say I enjoy the versatility. It isn't a meat market although occassiionally you will get the girls who definitely appear to be there to attract guys.

bargoo
02-27-2007, 02:25 PM
Weii, I belong to Curves and get a lot of benefit from it. Personally I think this discussion of where the owner spends his monry is ridiculous. Do you Know , or care where your grocer spends his income, or the shoe shop owner, how about the beauty shop owner, the car dealer? It is their business just as it is my business to spend my income as I wish.My gosh, if we worried about where every merchant spent his income we would be ready for the nut house.

MariaMaria
02-27-2007, 03:55 PM
My hair cutter probably makes less than 50K a year. If she donates 5% of her gross income, that's $2500 a year. It's not pocket change for a person, but it's not annual operating expenses for an organization, either. Her donations on their own aren't making or breaking anyone or anything or any cause.

Gary Heavin has pledged $5 million. That amount of money is enough to effect real change, to fund X organization or change the outcome of X small local election or operate X clinic. Regardless of whether I believe that his causes are right or wrong, it's accurate to recognize that financial contributions as large as his can make a substantive difference.

baffled111
02-27-2007, 05:07 PM
Bargoo, I don't think it's really up to you to tell me whether or not I want my money going to Heavin and Curves. I don't and I won't. I also don't spend my money on Coors or Dominos. That's my decision, not yours. If you don't feel strongly about this issue, then by all means go to Curves. I raised the issue because there are plenty of women who, like me, do not want to fund, indirectly or otherwise, Operation Save America.

Back to the main issue: I also belong to the Y. It's not a meat market AT ALL--just ordinary people of different shapes, sizes and ages getting their exercise done.

I belonged to a Bally once which had a special women-only weight room, which was kind of nice, but I can live without it.

Nikaia
02-27-2007, 06:08 PM
Do you Know , or care where your grocer spends his income, or the shoe shop owner, how about the beauty shop owner, the car dealer?

Actually, some of us do. That's why I shop at small local stores as much as I can afford to, and when I have to do business with a larger corp I do my research first - well, I do now. Didn't until a few years ago. I hadn't had to research Curves yet, cause I don't go anymore, but I'm glad I know this now. I'm definitely going to tell my mom; I don't know what she'll do, but she deserves to know.

It is their business just as it is my business to spend my income as I wish.

Absolutely. I'm not saying Heavin can't spend his money on anti-choice organizations (although I'd of course prefer it if he didn't), or that you can't spend your money at Curves (although I'd of course prefer it if you didn't, either). I'm just saying that MY conscience dictates that I don't help him donate to causes I'm deeply committed to fighting. I'm not trying to dictate where YOU spend YOUR money; please don't get defensive and such about where I choose to (not) spend MY money.

My gosh, if we worried about where every merchant spent his income we would be ready for the nut house.

Or the world would be a radically different place, one where businesses and their owners were held accountable for their actions, where consumers did their best to make informed decisions based on ALL the factors...

Also back to the main issue...I wish there was a Y here. I checked online and the nearest one's a half an hour or so away. Bleh.

elisa822
02-27-2007, 07:07 PM
Just to add my two cents to the different topics floating around.

First, I think it's good to be informed. If someone feels like they don't care about the political leanings or charitable contributions made by some organization that they frequent, that's fine. If someone else does care, that's fine too. There's nothing wrong with some knowledge and information and then, what you do with it is your business.

I, for one, would never belong to Curves for many of the reasons already discussed but that's my choice. If someone asked me why, I would tell them but I wouldn't think less of them for going there anyway.

Second, back to the gym question. I think whoever suggested checking out the gyms that you are considering by getting a guest pass, is the best idea.

Many people are afraid of who might be there or whether they're too overweight and will be stared at or if the gym is a meat market, but you'll never know for sure unless you check it out (and at the times that you think you might go there).

To generalize all gyms as meat markets doesn't seem fair. My gym is in a downtown business neighbourhood and, while not cheap, is absolutely not a meat market environment. There are people of all shapes and sizes and I would hope that most everyone would feel comfortable there.

If you want somewhere a little more relaxed or with a more varied clientele, then the Y or a local community centre may be a great option. Where I live there are a lot of women only facilities that offer much more than Curves does for the same price.

I'm not putting down Curves. It absolutely reaches a market that other more traditional gyms don't and I think that anything that gets people out there and exercising is great.

Just check out a few places if you can and decide what's the best fit for you.

:D