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Last December, a week before Christmas when Winning Points was brand new in my area, I asked my leader if I could stay on 1-2-3. She said she couldn't stop me from following "any plan I wanted", that she was not there to police what I ate, but that she would not be discussing, supporting, or answering any questions related to 1-2-3 any more. Therefore I pretty much HAD to switch to WP, and did.

Wow, what interesting responses! More than half of responders are still using 123, either completely or partially.

Since I'm looking into going back to 123 (I've lost maybe 5 pounds since January trying to do WP), I'd love to hear from some of you and why you're still on 123. Have you tried WP and had poorer results? Or are you just thinking if it ain't broke, why fix it?

--Lauren

Hi Lauren-- I lost almost 60 lbs on 123 program... I have not gone to meeting for about a year but have stayed pretty much to my goal. I have creeped up a little and now want to lose a few more. I am trying to get back on my program using 123. I am not familiar with the new program. I don't care for meeting and since I recieved a letter stating that lifetimers could go to meeting in this area for 8 dollers a week I will not be attending any.I do think WW is the best program around though.
Have A Great Week-- Joanne

123/wp
 

i was wondering what the difference is?

123/wp
 

i was wondering what the difference is?

Hi kd500-- I too wonder what the difference is?? I heard less Fiber??? Maybe someone will reply and give us the answer?? Have A Great Day-Joanne

hi joanne,

i dont go to ww anymore, thats why i dont know:) hopefully someone can tell us. was wondering if you mean less fiber on which, winning points?

CL,

just a suggestion if you really want to stay on 123.... my leader suggested this when 123 first came out b/c we had people who didnt like it.

the suggestion is to STAY on the plan that YOU prefer, and just every once in a while try wp, just so you dont feel lost at your meetings.

kd400-- I heard less fiber on winning points..Joanne

joanne,

wow.. im surprised.... they usually advocate lots of it. on the fat/fiber, it was 25+

joanne,

you only have tp pay 8 if u are more than 2 p over what they set 4 u.

Hi Girl - kd500 ..The letter said 800 for meetings ,but never the less.. I have this thought that I don't want to be dependent on the meeting.. I want to feel that I can do this on my own. Because if I can't do this on my own ,I haven't learned a thing. Don't get me wrong but I have recieved more help and good thoughts from these sites than I ever got at the meetings. The open thoughts here are well recieved.
Thank you for your response.. I did pretty good yesterday.
I was surprised too about the fiber.. There was something about carrots and onions?? I wonder if it was the sugar content???I don't eat all that many . I am still sticking with 123 .
Have A Great Day...Joanne

hi joanne,

definitely not worth it if you didnt feel you get much. you can do it! im on a lower(not low) carb plan that i designed myself. i dont really count carbs, but i get most of them from sources high in protein and no starch veggies, but i do eat 2 servings of fiber one for breakfast. i had to, i was getting really constipated. have a great day:)

Basic differences in WP/1-2-3
 

They still advocate high fiber however to be accountable for the calories in foods you cap the forumla for counting it at 4 grams per serving! So if something has 8 grams of fiber you put the cap at 4. ;)

The started to count points for high glycemic veggies (onions, carrots, jicama,....).

They lowered the high end of the point ranges (for example 20-27 is now 20-25).

You get to count all activity points instead of just the ones after you reach 2 points. (Best way to earn back those missing 2 points).

thanks kelly:)

thats interesting- messes up-but interesting. i cant see capping fiber esp. since its indigestable.

Only the insoluble fiber is not digested!
 

Since the nutritional labeling doesn't break it down into insoluble and soluble some people were eating way too many calories and not losing.

its cool you have your own opinion, and i respect it, but i still dont agree.

kd580?
 

What do you mean?

I don't understand. If it is in regard to the fiber thing it is a scientific answer.

even it it WERE, how many people do you know gaining weight on too much fiber? fiber absorbs fat.

It wasn't the fiber that was causing the gains!
 

I don't want to argue but it was the amount of intake on calories not the fiber itself. High fiber is good for your body and W/W isn't disputing that fact (I'm looking for my fiber article) but the amount of calories needed to be accounted for too. Too many people were counting something with 200 calories as 1 point because of the high fiber and gaining or maintaining - i.e., not showing or getting losses.

Weight loss is still using more calories than you take in. ;)

The mathematical formula for points assigned each gram of fiber a value of negative ten calories. Even if all the fiber were indigestible, and even if it did absorb some fat (I'm not sure it does) or interfere with the absorption of the other calories in the food (again, not sure it does), it really couldn't do it to the tune of negative ten calories per gram. That means we're subtracting the fiber's own 4 calories (o.k., makes sense if we can't digest it), PLUS 6 more? I used to eat a can of lentil chili which has 360 calories and count it as 2 points. So, if one day I "spend" my 2 points on, say, 80 cal worth of tuna and the next day I spend 2 points on 360 cal worth of lentil chili, we're talking about "invisibly" increasing my caloric intake by 280 calories. Do that on a few other items in your daily menu (and believe me, I found them ALL) and you're eating a lot of hidden calories all while staying well within points.

I would have preferred to see the formula revised to give a smaller "fiber discount" but to allow us to count all the fiber. It becomes complicated and inconsistent to have a cap. With the cap, my sandwich comes out one way if I count the fiber in my bread (up to 4 g) separately from the fiber in my boca burger patty (up to 4 g) than if I cap the whole sandwich. That kind of inconsistency drives me nuts.

Anyhow, Kelly's right--we're supposed to keep eating a low fat, high fiber diet, we just don't get as many "hidden calories" with the fiber cap.

Bumby that's a great explanation!
 

I have a great article on it that basically says the same type of thing.

I do alot more of adding points on separate ingredients in a sandwich now rather than totaling up the calories/fat/fiber. ;)

They put the cap on fiber because people were abusing it...for example, they were counting Kaski cereal at 0 points because of the high fiber and eating it all day...at 80 calories a serving. Then they were complaining about not losing.

We are encouraged to eat plenty of fiber...more rather than less. We just are counting only the first 4 grams in computing points.

AS the saying goes, to each his own. ibelieve that. everyone has their own opinion. i dont want to argue. i want to clarify one thing and then im not saying another word on the subject. Fiber is indigestable, and it does absorb fat. the proof lies in the fact that this is the ENTIRE PREMISE of the program that came before WP or 123, known as the fat&fiber plan. That is also supported in the research done on chitosan, a shellfish fiber.

THANKS ALL!!
 

Thanks all for doing this poll I put up! I feel so much better now for sticking with 123! I am amazed at the results:)

Good luck all

Dana

kd580
 

And much new scientific research has been brought to light since FAT & FIBER that's the reason for the changes that have come about. ;)

Hi Everybody-- Wow what a discussion--Fat or fiber? The only thing I really care about is less fat. The more fiber I eat the less fat I eat. It also helps to keep the system running smoothly. I would have to keep my fiber. I will cut somewhere else. Salads and fruit and different veggies are my staple.
I am going on a short trip next week. I do not do so well eating out. Wish me luck.. Have a great day-Joanne