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I am realizing that I am eating way too may carbs. All my regular foods went up quite a bit. I ate all of my points by lunch time. I ate what I would have normally eaten on the old plan and would have still had points left over. I really need to re-evaluate what I am eating.
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Holy Cow! I didn't have time to journal during the day and write down and figure out points.... now I still have 8 points left and I'm done with supper???? Wow.
But, a WW ice cream cone dessert that was 2 points is now 4 points. But, I could eat that and still have more to eat. I held off on most carbs all day as I was too worried. But, this is kind of cool. Dinner was sirloin tips with stir fried pepper, onion and mushroom in soy sauce with garlic salt, ginger and about a tsp of sugar (whoops, have to journal the sugar- there goes a point I forgot) and summer squash boiled with onion. I didn't add rice, pasta or potato to the meal as I didn't dare until I sat with the paperwork and figured out how many points I actually ate today. I can go a bit easier but this is exciting that I ate all day and that I did so well. Lunch was a salad of mixed spring greens with about 2 oz. sliced chicken, grapes, pear, Gorgonzola cheese (tiny amount) and a citrus vinaigrette dressing that I only dipped in. I had a tiny piece of bread along side. I had a fruit cup as my "dessert" and didn't have to count it. : ) I had one egg cooked in non-stick spray with 2 slices of WW lite bread toasted with butter spray and 1/4 cantaloupe for breakfast. I was not starving all day and was on the go. Lunch was eaten out by guessing, based on what I heard beforehand and in the meeting. I did OK. I have lots to read and learn but thought I'd report all of this. No "flex points" (or whatever they are called right now) were necessary in my day. I'm glad about that. I could go out to dinner on the weekend and have wine and bread before the meal, etc. and not be too worried. Tomorrow, I am going to buy fresh fish (haddock or swordfish) for dinner and have carrots (no longer having to count as 1 point) and some brown rice. Will work the rest of my day around that. One tricky thing is that the points values on all the current WW products that are in the house are now inaccurate. It will take some time to work them through. Sad to read that the WW English muffins that were only 1 point before are now 3 points, but with 29 points in a day instead of 21, I could probably work with it - or just have 1/2 of an English muffin? Milk worries me and a few other things. Have yet to figure out that calculator and how it works... not too good with electronics, but tomorrow is another day. |
I sat down yesterday after I went to the meeting and went through my cupboards and my favorite recipes and recipes for leftovers I had in the fridge and calculated the new points values for everything. Yes, it took some time, but I had to get oriented again. I can say one thing, my old breakfast plan has gone out the window. But I followed the new plan today and I am not hungry now. I actually feel quite good, for a change. I think I was eating too many carbs and that was making it hard for me to not nibble and such. Eating more protein as I did today seems to work out well. I know I'll be eating more protein than I did today in the days that follow. I'll be switching out some of my "regulars" like my daily bran muffin (was 4 pts, now 6 pts) for yogurt (only 3 pts for a cup of Greek yogurt). I'm certainly liking the plan so far.
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Time will tell but I think we all have to give this a chance. My leader is a woman I have known for a very long time over several years and her relief and joy was genuine. She said she felt like she was giving each of us an incredible gift with this program, I could tell it came from her heart to say that, it wasn't some canned thing she was reading from WW International.
Her spirit and joy is infectious. I think that will help me as I redirect my weight loss journey. I'm thinking that I could actually succeed. I found myself daring to think about my "skinny jeans" that have not fit me in more than a decade that I had refused to get rid of with interest. I doubt they are in style, but if I can comfortably get back in them again (the only one thing I kept) I would proudly wear them. I actually was driving in my car and allowed my mind to travel to those jeans again and I actually thought of getting them over my hips and even zipped up. Wow. Now, that would be exciting. I'm committed. I know it's going to be hard, I know it's going to be work, and I know there are going to be tough times as I've been in this for years. But, I think this plan could be it for me. I needed something new, fresh, to revive me efforts. I'm in this for the long haul. But, just maybe that "haul" won't be as long as I envisioned it to be? |
My problem is more about location and time. The only one I can go to is 30 min. each way and Dh's work schedule is such that going without kids is very challenging and I never know if I will be able to go or not until last min. There is no way I could commit long term under those conditions.
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So, Dawn. Go and pay for one meeting, get the materials and then go it on your own. You can be here to get daily support. I hope you can stay motivated!!!
I really have so much to learn about this new program, it's pretty overwhelmed to have to look up all the points values and I'm not really keen on the calculator, seems clunky and slow to me. Sometime soon, I shall begin to memorize points values. Also, a good tip is to figure out points and take a Sharpie Pen and write the points values on packages of things you use. This way, you only have to figure it out once. |
I think the new plan is really great. But it's not just about fruits. I think everyone needs to give it a chance before they condem it.
again...Weight Watchers is not going to create a program where we'd all gain weight...because no one would stay. Give it a shot...for at least a month...and if you don't like it then...do something else. But try it out first before you shoot it down. Yes, they are a business and make a profit...but they aren't changing things to nickle and dime us. |
I don't understand all the fuss ... you can still eat exactly what you were eating before, just track it differently. I know change is difficult, especially when you've had success with something, but perhaps you can just give it a chance, and if not, stick to what you were doing.
WW is the most reasonable of programs (in my personal opinion), because it allows you to eat your normal foods (no supplements, no fake proteins, no shakes, no premade meals, etc.) with portion control. The new plan, based on the latest available weight-loss scientific research encourages you to eat more fresh fruits and non-starchy vegetables, more lean proteins and fewer "white" carbs, but you certainly don't have to--just make sure to track accurately. I know our center has "open hours" where you can just go talk to a leader (not meeting times) ... maybe you can express your concerns there and get some good input about what direction you can take. If you're worried about it, at the center they sell a beginner pack (the food points book, the dining out book and tracker for $14.95, and you can add the calculator for $5.95 if you want. Since they aren't charging a registration fee right now, it's a pretty good deal. I understand the frustration with the slider being free, but there was no way to make a slider work with four variables. They are also selling a deluxe pack for $35. (includes a cook book, coupon book, 3 month tracker and a zipper notebook along with the food points book, dining out book and a calculator)... also not a bad deal for a one-time investment. Weight loss journeys are emotional and I'm sorry for the stress this is causing some people. Personally, I'm very excited. We got the new program at the Sunday meeting and I've been doing it all week and feel great, am not hungry and am loving it so far!! We all must find a program that works for us, weight loss is a very personal thing, and many of us have been on this journey more times than we care to count. It's all about finding a good fit fo you. |
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interesting. Is the sign up fee waived right now?? I'm wondering what specials they will have in January. I like the new focus on nutrition. It sounds more similar to the low glycemic program, which stabilized my blood sugar from crashing so much.
I'm wondering what they would say my goal weight would be, if I could get there with signing up for three months of meetings, and then I wouldn't have to pay. WW costs more than my gym membership. Or, I could switch to online for awhile if I hadn't made the goal weight and didn't look like I was going to any time soon. I did WW before and it didn't work for me. I suspect the calories were way low for what I needed then, and it was hard for me to estimate activity points. Since then, I've lost more than I'm gonna say, and I did it with eating low glycemic, exercise and calorie counting. I can do it again if I get more disciplined about cooking and bringing food, but it might be nice to go for weigh ins etc. sometimes. I'll still adapt the WW recipes that have white flour products in them. |
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So I jumped right in on the new Pro Plus Points on Monday. I's definitely not eating the same as I was before. I use their e-tools but found that I needed the books because I can't access the site at work anymore. The first day I dipped into my 49 extra points. I realize now that I have been doing it all week that they want you to limit your carbs or anything without nutritional value for that matter. It took me a couple of days but I have limited the 2 point snacks (which are now 3 or 4 points each) and I basically eat three full meals a day and I am satisfied. I hope for a nice loss this week. I only lost .6 after Thanksgiving. We'll see :-)
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I'm concern I won't be losing at the rate I have been which has been roughly 3.5 -4 pounds a week. I have so far to go and even a pound or two gone from my average a week could impede on my long term progress.
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I cannot wait until Sunday for my first official PointsPlus weigh in. My points did increase on the plan....interestingly, I have yet to eat them all. I am eating much healthier and eating all day not feeling hungry. Clearly I'm in the Honeymoon phase....I hope it continues a while.
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Makes me nervous, i calculated a large green apple and according to the numbers it's 3 pts. I have 1-2 a day, i'll be the one to gain with the free fruit lol! I know i can't calculate fruit but makes me scared :rolleyes:
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I know, seems like i'm eating so much more. Probably because i'm actually eating filling foods for once. No more ww popcorn or rice cakes!! I'm following it to a T, big fluctuations though. I was down 3 Tues and up 3 by Wed!!
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Maybe you need to get smaller apples or only have 1 apple and some other fruit. In moderation, which wouldn't be 6 points of apples on the old plan, fruit is fine. It's the excess that get's us. I gained eating fruit when all the lovely summer fruits became available. Went back to moderation in a hurry.
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Don't forget, you not only got more daily points but more weekly points and your APs have increased as well.
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For some reason my body doesn't like WW!! I use my AP and weekly pts and gain or stay the same. I don't use them I gain or stay the same. Pretty bad when the WW workers can't help me :(
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I do think overall that if I don't lose when I use my weekly points or when I don't use them that it is mostly me not being 100% on my points actually eaten or not being 100% on my activity. And, of course, the normal body fluctuations in weight from day to day make a difference as well. I'm trying now to be super careful to record everything accurately and to round up and not down, etc. We'll see how that works. |
I've been calculating everything going into my mouth as far as daily pts goes. Last night was the first time i used 3 weekly pts. I never use activity pts for the most part. I really have been honest and if i'm leary, i round up a pt or 2.
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My motivation is so high right now, I'm really giving this my all!
I did allow a piece of chocolate that is now 1.5 points instead of the old 1 point that it used to be after lunch today. First chocolate I've had all week and I deserve it. : ) |
derrydaughter - There are no longer half point so I think that would round to 2 points. But I certainly think that spending 2 points on a piece of chocolate occasionally is fine.
distraught dieter - If you aren't losing there is a reason. I don't know what it is but there is always a reason. It can sometimes be hard to figure it out (I know from my own experience). If you don't love after, say, 2 weeks I would take my completed daily planner with everything recorded and have the leader look at it. Record everything, even things that are zero point. Sometimes the leader can see something that is problematical. Do you eat out much? That is so much harder to figure out sometimes. I went to a restaurant awhile back, looked up nutritional information, ordered carefully and was so pleased by it. I only realized the next time I went to that restaurant that their nutritional information was for half of each entree. Sigh. I'm not saying that is your issue but just saying how easy it can be to get one little thing wrong and not realize it. |
Thanks Koshka, i used to eat out alot, hence the new relationship added weight over the last year. Now since Sunday i'm too afraid to go out to eat lol! I told myself that i would only eat out if i knew EXACTLY what i was eating. I've only gone so far as a garden salad with feta at Stop & Shop lol.
For instance i'm going out to the movies tonight so i'm going to make a double 25 calorie hot chocolate to smuggle into the theater to hold me over until dinner later on. I had a salad for lunch but will probably have a garden salad with grilled chicken for dinner and oil and vinegar, and a glass of wine stretched out with soda water and ice! I'm definitely in need of a cocktail after this week and have ate today so i can do so. Also, not to be a downer especially on a friday, my dad who is very young and is very ill, we are losing him so the stress has also been a large factor :( |
Koshka, I have not read anywhere or heard a thing about half points not being allowed. Where did you hear that?
I do admit to having so much to learn that I might have missed something. We eat our a great deal as well. Distraught dieters, so sorry about your dad. I lost my dad in 2005 and mom in 2006 and it is heartbreaking. I am moderator of a bereavement support group that is on yahoo called The Bereavement Journey if you need a place to chat and deal. We've all been there, unfortunately. I have to say that in 2005/2006 during the bereavement process and right before my dad died, I allowed my weight to creep back up. I was working hard at WW and almost, again, at goal weight. I lost control and my eating was driven by my emotions. Food was a temporary comfort to me and in the end I lost my caring for quite some time. I hope you find better ways to handle things than I did. My answer to a 1 hr and 15 minute ride to the nursing home my dad was in was the drive through at Dunkin Donuts, two chocolate donuts and coffee to make the trip. It was not the best choice for sure. |
Derrydaughter - The thing about half points is in the WW materials
If you have access to online materials it is at: http://www.weightwatchers.com/util/a...&art_id=106231 It is point no. 11 11. There are no half PointsPlus values All PointsPlus values are now whole numbers. |
Well, then, I will add a few points to my "flex" points, which are now called "points plus".
I liked using half points, by the way, it gave more flexibility. For my own recoreds, I might do that anyway. But, for the time being, while I am adjusting to this new program, I shall be quite honest with myself and fix this on my tracker. I want it to work. On my home scale this morning, with no clothes on, I had a 2 pound loss since Tuesday's meeting. I was thrilled. But, weigh in on Tuesday with clothes will be different, I am sure. |
I have been trying to be very scrupulous on points also. As you can see by my thread on my first week I found that a PointsPlus worked out for me to average about 39 calories per point although it varied a bit depending on what I ate that that. Higher carb days were less calories per point.
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That makes sense, because the UK boards had stated it worked out to an average of 40calories, but that it varied. But if you're in a bind, 40 calories per pluspoint will suffice for a quick guess-timate average, but for sure not be completely accurate and shouldn't be used as the norm. Just for absolute binds. And then when you get home later, you can figure it out what it really was. |
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I'm confused.. at our meeting today they told us that calories were taken out of the equation for getting PointsPlus values. Did I miss something?
Super excited about the new program. FREE fruits and veggies? Sign me up! Our leader did say though, you either get on board with the whole program or it doesn't work. Meaning use your new PointsPlus total allowance for the day and use the calculator or book to get the NEW values in PointsPlus. She said she tried doing the old Momentum program with free fruits and veggies and gained 1.5 pounds. This is because they took into accounts in giving our daily PointsPlus allowances that we would be eating 5 or so servings of fruits and veggies recommended by the ADA. She then got on board and lost 8 POUNDS in three weeks. She decided to readjust her maintenance weight. With all the research WW puts into this and the clinical scientific trials, something about it must be right, it must work! Lots of success stories from the ladies who had been to meetings earlier in the week. Oh and the other cool thing she said was if you don't eat your total allowance daily, don't worry about and don't go eat more to get to it like they recommended on the old program as long as you're satisfied. Hope everyone is doing great and I can't wait to see other peoples results from the new program! |
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