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Quick question: Is there any truth to this article? I thought you all would be the best forum of women to ask. Thanks

http://www.femalemuscle.com/medicine/larrypepefm7.htm

I have done both. I've weight trained first and then did cardio and I now do cardio before I weight train. I like the latter better and I will tell you why. For me, after weight training I am tired and don't feel like doing cardio so I am more likely to skip it. However, when I do cardio first, even up to 45-55 minutes worth, I can ride my endorphin high right to the weight section and put in a good weight training session. AND I lost weight and built muscle doing it. Others will say they do the opposite for various reasons but we all agree on one thing. No matter which way you choose to do it, what counts most is that you DO weight train and you DO cardio. Which order you do them in doesn't matter as much as whether or not you do them both.

MTC.

Tiki.

Tiki -- thanks for the response. I can't say I really weight train as much as I think I just do a few reps. "Training" has this massive connotation for me. I do 3 sets on 4 or 5 machines and that's about it. I don't have a trainer to tell me if I am doing the appropriate excersises and I use the same machines all the time. I've lost 53 pounds in 14 months. The last 25 due to the incorporation of excerise with better eating habits.

Currently, I do cardio for 35 minutes and then my weights. It's been working for me and I can feel the fact that I might be too tired after weights to do cardio. Maybe I will doing arms, cardio, then legs tonight when I hit the gym.

Thanks again for answering!

Hey Tiki and Jenne :wave:

I do weights first for the opposite reason Tiki does it second... I want more energy for my weight training... I just like to build my muscles first... I've gone into a mind set that I do not skip cardio if I'm at the gym no matter what anymore, since I'm there I'm going to do both... but I wasn't always like that... It used to be that I could skip cardio anytime...

Tiki said it best: ...what counts most is that you DO weight train and you DO cardio. Which order you do them in doesn't matter as much as whether or not you do them both. 'nuff said....

I agree 100% with the article, and am constantly after my clients who do an hour of elliptical before they drag themselves over to the weight area.

If you do your cardio first, you may by flying on an endorphin high, but your muscles are powering themselves by burning muscle. You need the glycogen in your liver to lift.

I've seens plenty of people do this, and some succeed in their goals of both burning fat and building muscle as Tiki says. But keep in mind you have to know your own body: there are some people that can put on muscle just by looking at a dumbell. If yo tend to build muscle easily, it probably doesn't matter unless you are seriously trying to build muscle mass. But if you've been training for quite a while and muscle gains are coming slowly, or you don't put on muscle easily in the first place, hit the weights FIRST and separate your weights and cardio sessions.

HTH,

Mel

I am not a trainer, but I have read somewhere if you are going to both on the same session, not only do you get more muscle benefits by WT first, but your cardio benefits more since you're body is more warmed up and will burn fat better. Of course this could be an gym legend, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Ali

I dont like to do my cardio after I do weights because I almost always get the "smell of ammonia" sweat from beginning to metalobise proteins (ie using muscle) and I do NOT want to slam a protien shake before I start doing cardio.. tis a great way to get sick *barf*

Im do my cardio first these days, and then do weights (if Im doing light walking cardio, I do that afterwards with no ill effects). I try to make sure I start my cardio on an empty stomach (no eating for 2-3 hours before I start) and then if Im STARVING I drink 1/2 a serving (10g) of protein and eat 1/4 of an apple before I start weight training. keeps my energy up (as mel says, you need glycogen to train).

Maybe not the best, most efficiant sicentifically proven method, but it works for me.

Tidey

In the past I'd been doing cardio first or on alternate days...but the past few months, I started doing cardio *after* weights. My reason for doing cardio first? Because all of the GOOD machines were occupied by the time I finished lifting! :lol:

Now it's not as much of a problem - mostly because two major gyms opened within a 5-mile radius (a Gold's and a JCC). Since they're brand-spankin' new, they're a bit nicer and are offering 'grand opening' deals...there's definitely been a noticeable drop in the number of folks at my 24 Hour Fitness. Not enough for them to go out of business, but enough where I don't have to wait for a Precor elliptical - at least not very long :)

So now I generally do 30 or 40 minutes of weights, followed by 25 or 30 minutes of cardio. Except on Thursdays, where I do 50 minutes of cardio and some abs.

Tidey! I know the ammonia problem. But it happens for me in cardio whether I lift first or not. (Which I am not lifting right now at all until I'm released from surgery) Do any of the trainers here have info on that? I've tried eating carbs before, it doesn't seem to help. Bloodwork is ok for liver/kidney function.

I get that taste in my mouth too... I'm not sure if I'd call it amonia but it's like a metalic taste to me...

I seem to get it when I haven't eaten enough... Once this week I got it when I had one meal under my belt in the AM and I had eaten 2 hours before the gym... I noticed I didn't get it the two times I went to the gym when eating only a half hour before the gym, with 2 meals under my belt, in the after noon... Does that make sense?

I THINK it has something to do with not eating enough protein and burning muscle instead of fat when you're working out...

I'd love to know the answer to that one too.....

Usually the metallic taste and ammonia smell are an indication that your body is in ketosis- you are burning either fat or protein rather than gycogen. There are a lot of low and no carbs diets out there that aim to put you and keep you in ketosis, either for the duration of the diet, or for short amounts of time. If you are low carbing, this is why you are smelling/tasting that way.
If you aren't low carbing, I have no idea :dizzy:

Mel

I frequently have this happen to me after a long cardio session, but don't really low-carb it so doubt that I'm in ketosis. I've tried to find answers and never have seen anything definitive. :?: I just ignore it now.

Well I did it when I low carbed, but I still do it now. I've read a couple of different theories (other than liver failure, lol) and none of them seem to explain it. (Overtraining, too high protein, etc) I'm eating BFL these days, but it still happens. This is ammonia, not ketones. I think I breath it out when I'm running on the treadmill. I also usually smell it in the shower if I take one right after working out. My husband and son can smell it when they come in the room, but put me in another room after exercise, dripping with sweat, and they can't smell it on me or on my clothes. The only thing I haven't tried is carb loading right before cardio - well that I know of, there surely are more solutions out there. I'll just keep working out in solitude until I figure it out.

I usually work out in the AM on an empty stomach. Maybe I'll try eating beforehand. Which just brings up another dilemma of am I burning fat or not in cardio. I don't mind the smell, I've been banished to the basement for exercise anyway, but it would be so nice to go to a gym and use better equipment.

Jack, maybe it's an adrenaline thing. I'm scared to fly and cologne, nail polish, etc. makes me spin in airports and on planes. Pretty much anytime I am in an anxious situation I am more sensitive to things.

Maybe it's both! Jack, I looked around and didn't find anything on perfumes and exercise, so I've probably got a bad theory.

As for ammonia:

9/10 Googles point to Jeremy - :

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ammonia.htm


And here is a bunch of different theories (and they talk about bad
breath, and I'd just like to say in advance I have minty fresh breath
and excellent oral hygiene so please don't get any gross visuals on
me!)
http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread/t-108121.html

And this one points to overtraining:

http://www.transitiontimes.com/views...al=Mississippi

I think this is a great article! Totally agree with everything he said!

I know even the trainer on Dr. Phil during the weightloss challenge said to always do your strength training before cardio.

But I also agree that ..... "what counts most is that you DO weight train and you DO cardio. Which order you do them in doesn't matter as much as whether or not you do them both."

Cathy

Hi Everyone:) :(
I read the article and found it interesting.
Like many of you, I have received a ton of information by differant experts on this stuff and my husband (a bodybuilder) has his 2 cents to throw in as well.
I will share what my competition trainer and I have decided works for me personally.
My bodyfat tends to stay at around 18ish percent. I'm not shredded in the off-season, by any stretch, but I'm not overfat either. I work full-time and have 2 kids. Muscle building and preservation is by far my most important goal. I have not been doing cardio consistatly. I only have so much time and muscle comes first. I admittedly have fallen off the cardio wagon over the last couple years:( but it hasn't caused me to gain fat. I wouldn't mind being a little trimmer but it hasn't gotten too far out of hand.(yet!) I intend to incorporate more cardio into my training schedule for cardio health. I certainly think it is a good idea.
I am just being honest here but If I only have an hour, I will spend it lifting.
I AM in the gym (ie: weight room) 5 days a week consistantly as I have been for years. In the last couple of years I only hit the cardio when I am trying to trim down for a contest. My trainer doesn't want me to have to cut calories anymore than absolutley neccessary, so I add in cardio for several weeks prior to the show. My trainer has me do cardio in the morning and yes, on an empty stomach. I run (usually) for an hour at a moderate pace. I notice, in the article, he says you 'can' drink a protein shake prior to cardio but you shouldn't have carbs. I 'opt' to have nothing. Carbs will prevent fat burning and anything else in my tummy will make me nauseus. I always weight train after work in the afternoon. I feel my strongest and best at that time so that is when I do it. I eat several small meals during the day and have my last one about 1 1/2 hours prior to training.
I have tried doing cardio before weights in the past and I have found I simply do not make the strength or shape gains that I do when I do cardio in the morning, far away from my weight training. I don't even like to do it immediately after weights as I always train to failure and I feel like this interupts the process of recovery. That has been my personal experience.
It has been explained to me that a pound of muscle burns about 300 cals per day, whereas a pound of fat burns only roughly 50, therefore I am keeping my fat down just by the mere act of building more muscle. My trainer (and I agree) feels that cardio is something I should do in the morning, hours before I hit the weights in the afternoon and with a few meals in between. Cardio after weights would be the reluctant second choice. Since my weight training (and half-*** diet!) does a decent job of keeping my fat down in the off-season, I intend to add cardio in, for my general health ,3 days a week in the AM before work.
Beleive it or not I have had more than one coach tell me not to worry about cardio! That it might even hinder my muscle building... However, this advice was intended for me ,personally, taking into consideration my metabolism, body type etc. They said just focus on the weights, getting in all my protein, taking my supps etc. Of course, opinions vary on everything....
It is a constant learning experience.
I get a good cardio workout during weight sessions as I train intensely, but noentheless I still intend to do specific cardio training more consistantly for my health in general. I will do it in the morning before work and continue to lift in the late afternoon.
Following this regimen seems to push the right buttons in me, but as with all things, YMMV.
Just one persons experience FYI.
XOXO
L2L

Thank you for a very informative opinion. You write well!

I had no idea how long that was until I read it:)
I guess I hate to leave anything out,lest I confuse someone......
Thanks for the feedback,Jennifer:)
XOXO
L2L

L2L -- A girl after my own heart !!! I MUCH prefer to do weights too!! I *used* to hate cardio !! But last December I decided to see if I could kick up my weight loss a notch by doing some cardio :( needless to say when I started I DID NOT like it at all !! But when the endorphins kicked in and I actually started to loose some weight, which I hadn't done in a very long time, well I just decided to stick with something that works for me at the moment... Love your pic in your public profile, now I'm REALLY envious ;) ...

Lanaii, what kind of cardio are you doing these days?

Jennifer, I started running in December, a very slow and gradual process and I am now running 30 mins. 5.2mph... Since the nice weather I bike and roller blade....but I also run...