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A Cardio Question...
If you have read any of my posts, you already know that I am not a fan of cardio. I find it boring, and would much rather spend my time in the weight room. I have had much success doing no cardio at all for months at a time, so I'm not convinced it is an important part of fitness for *me*.
However, I know many who feel that it is as important, maybe even more important than lifting. So I have a couple of questions much like the ones Meg posed in her Hunger post. (1) For those of you who do cardio- do you think that cardio gives you a more tangible sense of accomplishment than lifting does? Ex: you did 30 minutes at level 8 on the treadmill, and burned X number of calories. Lifting is more mysterious than that, there are no hard and fast numbers. I'm wondering if this is part of cardio's appeal? (2) If you are doing cardio to burn calories, why not just skip eating the food you are burning? It would save so much time!:D Seriously, if the calories in/ calories out theory is true, wouldn't that make sense? Trying to provoke some thoughts here. :) Laura |
Great questions and I am really learning so much from everyone’s responses on the other thread. I guess I kind of opened up this can of worms so I’ll jump in.
(1) For those of you who do cardio- do you think that cardio gives you a more tangible sense of accomplishment than lifting does? Ex: you did 30 minutes at level 8 on the treadmill, and burned X number of calories. Lifting is more mysterious than that, there are no hard and fast numbers. I'm wondering if this is part of cardio's appeal? Frankly, cardio has ZERO appeal to me. I would much rather be in the weight room also, and do lift five days/week, so I don’t neglect the weights in favor of the cardio. The reason I do cardio is simply that when I decided to lose weight for good, the trainer I was working with told me to do it to burn calories. I started at 20 minutes a day, 3 days/week, and over the next few months increased to 60 minutes/day, every day. I did this the whole time I lost 135 pounds of fat and added 10 pounds of muscle, so I don’t think it was detrimental to my progress. And that’s why I still do it — it seems to work for me. Let me emphasize the “for me” because it may not be true for anyone else. But make no mistake — the world would be a better place without cardio in my eyes! BTW, I never trust those “calories burned” readouts. Bottom line = cardio stinks and weights are fun, but it’s like spinach — I do it ‘cause I think it’s good for me. (2) If you are doing cardio to burn calories, why not just skip eating the food you are burning? It would save so much time! I just don’t have any more calories to give up. Let’s say I burn 400 calories in an hour of cardio and I’m eating 1200 calories in a day, that would mean dropping to 800/day. I don’t think that’s possible, at least for me. Next? Meg |
I can't answer your question Laura because like you I really dislike cardio, the only reason I force myself to do some is for the cardio vascular benefit....
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I did not like cardio until I started the BFL interval method. It has become a game. The cardio benifit for me is I in the ability to walk longer, bike and hike further before I get tired.
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Ilene, if you ever get a chance to read TheBodyRx, please check out Dr. Connelly's views on weight training and cardiovascular health. You may just save yourself the boredom of cardio.
Is part of the appeal the endorphin high? I've heard this from a few others who did lots of cardio. |
I do get the endorphin rush after cardio, but I run on a treadmill now. When I was biking ever minute was gut wrentching boring torturous ****.
Now I like my cardio days :) I can feel how much LESS jiggle I have hehe. I like to jog so i guess its a personal thing :) Tidey |
Good questions!
(1) For those of you who do cardio- do you think that cardio gives you a more tangible sense of accomplishment than lifting does? Ex: you did 30 minutes at level 8 on the treadmill, and burned X number of calories. Lifting is more mysterious than that, there are no hard and fast numbers. I'm wondering if this is part of cardio's appeal?
I hardly do cardio, I have been trying to get myself to do it but I absolutely hate it. When I am on the machine I sit there and think of why I am doing this because I just don't enjoy it. I do about 10 minutes of HIIT cardio about once a week and that is it. (2) If you are doing cardio to burn calories, why not just skip eating the food you are burning? It would save so much time! My thoughts exactly. This is why I last about 10 minutes on a machine and than I get off and go do some weight training! Personally why start with cardio again and than have to keep up with it when I have had no ill effects from not doing cardio? It is not something I want to have to do forever, only when I can rollarblade or run outside. For me I have no problems with maintaining my weight without cardio so I just don't really do it. I would rather skip the calories by a long shot! This is why I love Body RX because it taught me that I don't have to skip calories and do cardio every week to lose fat and to maintain! |
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I know that this approach worked for you for a long time. And I wouldn't say a word if you had not expressed dissatisfaction with your progress, but sometimes you gotta shake things up; is your program really still *working for you*? For me and many others, we found that our bodies would not give up fat until they were sure we weren't going to starve. And let me reiterate that I know it's a major mental abyss. Laura |
Laura — I welcome your input! :) I certainly did solicit everyone’s opinions and do appreciate all the information and thoughts I’ve gotten on the topics of cardio and calories and metabolism and all.
Yes, I’m wondering what to do now and I’m thinking that I really have several issues going on (and again I’m talking about them because I'd like to hear what others think) :?: 1 Am I having a hard time giving up “dieting” (actively losing) and just focusing on maintenance? Do we get addicted to seeing the scale go down? 2. Is my fear of getting fat again rational or irrational? Because this is what drives me — I never want to go back where I was and I so fear that the odds are stacked against me. 3. Have I dieted myself into an eating disorder? 4. How does one know where to stop losing weight? Is it pounds? BF %? Clothes sizes? Appearance? My dissatisfaction with my progress stems from the fact that the scale isn’t continuing to go down and that’s why I wanted to get my BF re-done today — to focus on another tangible method to evaluate progress. Unfortunately my trainer canceled out on me so I don’t have that info :( — rats, I’ll have to wait until Monday. Perhaps there's not that much more fat that I should try get my body to give up — I don’t know at this point. Maybe it’s time to maintain.:?: So please feel free to lend me any insights, gang. Who else can I talk to about this stuff? I’m so glad you all are here!:D Meg |
Meg, how do you feel about how you look? In fact, how do you FEEL? Are you healthy? As far as your scale weight goes, is it that important to your overall mental health and self-esteem? Or is a shapely, muscular, fit body what you want? What are your goals? Just to have a small scale weight or to be healthy and fit. Do you fear losing control? Do you have issues with control? These are some of the questions I ask myself so maybe you could benefit from them as well.
I can't answer your questions, only YOU can do that. But we, (meaning all of us here), can help you figure out what you really want and at the same time, this will help us (me) figure out what we (I) want and how to get there. |
It would be a flat out lie to say I "love" cardio, but I do like it.
I love the endurance. I'm a dancer (Morris, Belly, Swing, Contra) and the endurance that comes with regular cardio workouts is phenomenal. I can't get that with weights. Plus, marathon sessions of sex don't wear me out. ;) I love to sweat. I mean pouring down my face, can't believe I'm still standing, everything is soaked, kind of sweat. #1 reason... it's VITAL to your heart. By doing cardio you are forcing your blood vessels to create new paths to your heart. If you have a heart attack, you're more likely to survive if you have those extra little vessels giving your heart what it needs in its time of crisis. My family has a history of heart attacks and stroke. I need cardio because I do NOT want to have a heart attack (i'm only 26 and when I get indigestion, I SWEAR I am having a heart attack :)) |
Meg,
I am very interested in everyone’s opinion as well. My greatest fear is that upon reaching my physique goals, the clock will suddenly strike twelve and like Cinderella’s coach, I will turn back into a pumpkin, literally. :?: After deciding to go for it last week, I took some time this week to clarify what “it” is for me. This is what came to mind: I want to feel like I used to; like an athlete, strong, lean and aerobically fit. Being a particular body fat, weight or size is not very important to me, just as long as my body looks good nekkid. :lol: Have to tell you after all these years of being overweight anything will be an improvement. Laura to answer your question: . Quote:
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"My greatest fear is that upon reaching my physique goals, the clock will suddenly strike twelve and like Cinderella’s coach, I will turn back into a pumpkin, literally."
That's it. Precisely. Meg |
Hmmm...
Something Meg said in her post really hit me. I have days where I *seriously* do feel like I have an eating disorder, but in the opposite extreme of the kind I used to have. I have had days where something calls my name (ice cream, a burger, what have you), and I'll have it. Within 5 minutes of eating it, guilt settles in, and I hop in my car and drive to the gym, where I proceed to put in an hour's worth of cardio. Now, this has happened maybe 10 times in the last year, but it's still the general mentality I have about food lately. Some people would say that's a logical reaction, and would congratulate me for that mindset. But it's not "me being a strong person" that makes me do it. It's me being a *weak* person, who not only cannot pass up whatever food has a hold on her, but allows herself to become SO overwhelmed with guilt that she quickly goes to the opposite extreme?? While I feel confident that I will *never* be as big as I was before, there is always that gnawing feeling that one day of excess calories will turn into two days, then a week, then a month, and before you know it, I'm busting out of my clothes...
OK, I'm rambling, but I guess my point is that sometimes my brain doesn't know the difference between working hard to be healthy, and working hard to avoid becoming fat again. :?: |
Been There, Done That!
Colleen — I’ve done exactly the same thing — given in to that little voice in my had that says, “go on … eat it because… (insert rationalization)” and then, of course, been overcome by remorse five minutes later, especially when I realize that whatever I ate didn't taste nearly as good as I imagined it would. So I go off to the gym (which is a whole lot better than a finger down the throat, you know?). I’m glad that you posted about this. Isn’t it kind of funny/ironic/sad that we can lose weight and still have all these issues with food to deal with? It’s not like making it to a certain weight is the Promised Land and we suddenly will have healthy relationships with food — I think it’s something we have to keep working on.
I know that this kind of behavior is driven by our fear of getting fat again. I’m not sure that is so different from the desire to be healthy, though. Perhaps it’s because you and I are relatively recent losers — maybe living with and maintaining a weight loss for a longer period of time gives one a more relaxed perspective? For me, it’s so much like Sel said — that having worked for so long and so hard to get where I am, the omnipresent fear is that I will wake up one morning and be fat again. On another thread, in another forum, another big loser once said that she would rather die than go back to being fat again (you can tell I’ve never forgotten that post) and though those are drastic words, I think I feel the same way. I don’t know what the answer is, but I do want to let you know that I know exactly how you feel. Maybe we’re just too hard on ourselves, equating “diet perfection” with being strong and eating something unplanned as “weak.” Maybe it’s human? Thoughts? Meg |
i'm one of the few that LOVES cardio and i do it because i LOVE it, for no other reason in the world really.
i like the way it makes my body feel, i like the fact that it does all kinds of good things to my health from the inside out. i like the time spent moving because my job consists of sitting all day long in front of the computer. i like knowing that i am getting better at it and it gives me a whole lot of residual energy and it happens to burn fat too, which is really only an *extra* for me. after spending so many years basically not moving, i'm feeling REALLLLLLLLL good with all the moving that i'm doing now and i wouldn't change one minute of it. i also LOVE weights, so it's pretty balanced for me........ i do both of them intense, or a bit less intense, depending on my mood on any particular day. i think that people who don't like to do cardio just shouldn't do it. why torture yourself? i don't even like the idea of yoga so you'll won't find me doing it. simple as that. i'm here for the fun and health benefits of it all, not for much else -- the way i look is completely secondary to me; that's why i eat good and i train good. hope this answers your questions. adriana |
Again, Goddess Jessica, take a minute if you can and read the Body Rx and Dr. Connelly's explanation of heart health and weight training. If I had my book with me, I'd copy the section regarding this, however I don't have it. But cardio is not the efficient way to good heart health, its a way of course, but there are better ways.
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not sure about Dr. Connelly and Body Rx
but i would tend to trust the cardio-vascular specialists that say that inclusion of daily cardio-vascular exercise, and not just diet and strength training, is good for the heart.
Dr. Bernard Christian, probably THE leading expert in cardio-vascular medicine, did a show last year here in israel, two weeks before his death. in the show he very clearly stated that cardio-vascular exercise is THE BEST for heart health. personally, i think i trust Dr. Christian more on this one. of course, i combine his other facts (over 40 years of clinical research) and also eat well, keep my stress down and just enjoy life. this is the same solid advice my father received after his quintuplet by-pass surgery and for the past 17 years he's been able to control the arterosclerosis that caused the blockages in the first place -- with good amounts of cardio-vascular exercise and proper nutrition, and NO medications !! my 83-year-old father doesn't even weight train either, however, he does power walk, ride his bicycle, swim, play golf AND jump rope on a weekly basis. but like i said, don't do cardio if you don't like it. simple as that. why go through the torture of something that you just don't like. and if Dr. Connelly suggests that there are other ways to good heart health which do not include cardio-vascular exercise, then by all means, jump on that wagon. life is to be enjoyed, especially in our quest for good health :D in good health, adriana |
The only cardio I can force myself to do isn't considered cardio to me. I love rollarblading and outside running. What I cannot stand is machine cardio. Drives me nuts!
This has been an interesting thread. I wish I could like cardio, but I don't. |
(1) For those of you who do cardio- do you think that cardio gives you a more tangible sense of accomplishment than lifting does? Ex: you did 30 minutes at level 8 on the treadmill, and burned X number of calories. Lifting is more mysterious than that, there are no hard and fast numbers. I'm wondering if this is part of cardio's appeal?
(2) If you are doing cardio to burn calories, why not just skip eating the food you are burning? It would save so much time! I keep my calories between 1600 and 2000. I do a bodypump class on Monday and Saturday, sometimes on Wednesday. I do Cardio Mon- Thurs and Saturday. My reasoning behind doing lifting twice a week is to allow time for my muscles to recover. It takes my body about 4 days to recover from an intense workout. So I do cardio on the other days so that I can keep my calories in a deficit. The idea for me is to burn 3500 calories a week by keeping my calories low enough so that my body doesn't think I'm starving it. Then to workout lifting and cardio to burn more calories. Doing this I have steadily lost a pound a week or more for 7 months. So I really can't skip eating the food I'm burning to save time. The science of losing weight is still a mystery to me. If I could just know exactly what my metabolism was so that I could know how many calories I could eat and how much time to spend at the gym to lose 2 pounds a week. I wish there was a specialist that we could see that could answer these questions. It would make weight loss so much easier. Or eliminate gaining all together. Just my two cents, Bodypumpgirl |
Yes exactly Adriana, one tends to trust the one who's method they prefer. Since Dr. Connelly is a leader in metabolic research and also spent years working w/heart patients and patients who suffered the wasting syndrome and walks his own talk by looking like a million bucks at age 50+ years by doing his own program and since beginning his weight training method, my own blood pressure and cholesteral has dropped several points, which is the key factor in heart health, I'm sticking w/him.
Let me paste in a few facts about Dr. Connelly's qualifications in this respect: Dr. Scott Connelly has devoted his life to the science of nutrition and fitness, and is considered around the world as a leading expert in the field of human nutrition and metabolism. A summa cum laude graduate in neuro-physiology from Boston Universtiy, Dr. Connelly has distinguished his career in anesthesiology, internal medicine, intensive care and cardiovascular medicine. During his internship and residency at Harvard Medical School's prestigous Massachusetts General Hospital, Dr. Connelly began working with critically ill intensive care patients. In order to help his patients maintain their health, he began researching and formulating products to help prevent the loss of muscle mass. What he learned about the effects of nutrients and exercise on human metabolism, body composition, disease prevention and immune system function, however, would soon have more far reaching impact. While continuing his research as a Senior Fellow in intensive care medicine at Stanford University, Dr. Connelly created a high quality protein formulation, which he trademarked Metamyosyn. This became the key ingredient in MET-Rx, the high protein low-fat vitamin and mineral enriched drink mix he went on to invent. The MET-Rx formulation took Dr. Connelly over twenty years to develop, and is currently being issued as standard nutritional protocol in Harvard Medical Schools Brigham and Women's Burn Care Trauma Unit and Braintree Rehabilitation Hospital. A study published in the Journal of Burn Care and Rehabilitation revealed that MET-Rx doubled the weight gain of severe burn patients over Ensure and Sustacal protein supplements. In turn, increased strength, mobility, and wound healing reduced hospital stays by as much as 30%. First and foremost, Dr. Connelly is a physician whose goal is to improve the quality of life through superior nutrition for both the healthiest and sickest people. Dr. Connelly's work is respected by health care providers, top athletes, Hollywood celebrities, and fitness enthusiasts worldwide. Expanding his involvement in public health, Dr. Connelly is the namesake of UCLA's Connelly Laboratory for Applied Nutritional Sciences at the UCLA School of Medicine, Division of Clinical Nutrition. He is also a visiting professor at UCLA's School of Medicine with teaching responsibilities in the area of the physiology of nutrition and muscle metabolism. |
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About the calories those machines say we've burned-I don't put much stock in them. I doubt they're very accurate. I love the high I get from cardio-but it's different. Cardio gets the seratonin levels up and can make a bad day seem good. The single worst advice I ever got was last fall. I was under more stress than ever and getting depressed. One person suggested I stop working out and look for a job 24/7. Well, no one interviews at dinner time or 7 am which are the times when I usually work out. If I had listened to her & become a couch potato, I have no doubt I could have found myself in a deep depression. Instead I kept working out and added more cardio when things started to overwhelm me. It made the situation easier to handle because I felt good. I did/do cardio that I enjoy and that makes a big difference. I don't hall myself onto the treadmill or stepper and sweat mindlessly until the machine tells my I've burned X amount of calories. I use them once in a while but not often. I honestly haven't used any of the cardio machines at Gold's since joining a few monthly ago. I am having fun going to spin classes and from what I understand I'm burning lots of calories while I'm doing it! Quote:
Meg & Ilene you guys really should check out BRx. Jessica, I disagree with your #1 reason to do cardio. Resisitance training does everything cardio does for your heart and more. Something else to check out in BRx. Meg, I competely understand about the "issues." 1. I've been in "lose" mode on & off all my life, but it's been non-stop since July 2000. I am not sure I am going to know how to "stop" when the times comes. 2. I'm not sure it's an irrational fear when you've lost over 100 lbs. I lost 80 lbs. once and gained it-and more-back. There is no way I'm going to let that happen again. I am aware that I worry about it when I am not in total control of my nutrition. Even allowing myself extra carbs in Cycle 1 made me worry and feel out of control at times. I find I am much more comfortable with the strictness of Cycle 3. Easing up a bit on nutrition to maintain would be hard and make me feel a bit less in control, I think. Not really sure at all how to stop having that feeling. I wish I did. About the odds, you've already beat them by getting this far. You need to celebrate that and realize that. Maybe you need to realize that you've made lifestyle changes. This is not a diet that ends when you go off it and eat every thing in sight. If you do do that (but you won't), then yes, the Cinderella analogy would fit and you could easily turn back into a pumpkin. 3. Good question. Sometimes I wonder, too. I mean, in order to lose this much weight we've had to become rather obsessed about it for a long time. How do you become less obsessed and feel good about ceasing to do the things that have given you such great success? In my mind that would mean I was asking for failure. I think it is important to be able to really see yourself as you are, make current goals for yourseff. That one about losing all the weight is an old one. You've done it. I think it becomes an eating disorder when you can't stop. What do you see when you look in the mirror? The old Meg or the new improved version? It is very important to see yourself as you are. It would be understandabley difficult too prevent problems if you still saw yourself as you were a year or so ago-you'd feel the need to continue losing even when you shouldn't. 4. I freaked out when I got within 15 lbs. of me "goal weight." I realized that losing 15 lbs would not get me my goal body.I've got a vague BF% goal of 15%, but how do I know whatthat will look like? It's really kind of dumb to have it at all, I think. I'll know it when I see it in the mirror-it's definitely appearance for me. One of my goals is to have plenty of visable muscle. Some goals will require surgery. If you are really still judging your success by the number on the scale you need to change that. I still get a thrill when the number goes down and sometimes it's a struggle to put that in a place of less importance. That number is not going to make my goal body appear in the mirror. While I feel confident that I will *never* be as big as I was before, there is always that gnawing feeling that one day of excess calories will turn into two days, then a week, then a month, and before you know it, I'm busting out of my clothes... Colleen, this thought is never far from my mind. I believe it is what drives me to eat so squeaky clean. I am afraid a bit of unplanned indulging will lead to a nonstop binge as it has so often in the past. I've had food call my name too and did pretty much the same thing. I actually went over 2 years without letting myself listen to theat voice and eat. Last fall, I listened and found that I hadn't gotten rid of those food issues. They're still there and waiting to take control if I let them. I'm realizing I'll have to fight those demons forever. ...another big loser once said that she would rather die than go back to being fat again (you can tell I’ve never forgotten that post) and though those are drastic words, I think I feel the same way. I know I'd rather die than go back to the way I was. Those words may be drastic, but they are true for many of us. It's not an overly dramatic statement. It's an accurate one. Maybe we’re just too hard on ourselves, equating “diet perfection” with being strong and eating something unplanned as “weak.” Maybe it’s human? Thoughts? Yes it's human, but I think we get to a point where we need to change our definition of "diet perfection.” We had to work hard to change the way we thought when we began this journey. We'll have to change our thinking again to stay where we want to be. You know, sometimes I think about all the wrong, negative harmful things that were pounded into us as true and good as we were growing up. No wonder we're confused. So much has turned out to be the opposite of the way we were told it would. Maybe 1 + 1 really equals 3... :?: Deb |
runners high.....its a real thing :)
i looooooove running and running as fast as i can. i only do it 3 - 4 times a week though for 30 mins a pop. maybe one day when i'm satisfied with my speed at 30 mins i'll move to increase the time... |
hi Mindi,
my cholesterol went down by more than 100 points, triglycerides down by over 200 points and HCL went up by 5 points, in 5 months, by eating a well balanced nutritional plan. i didn't use any specific program, following anyone to a "T"; i used only solid common sense and learned a whole lot of new good habits. i also worked out 6 days per week during those 5 months (and still do), lost 30 pounds of fat and completely changed my metabolism around. i don't really care who is *RIGHT*, as i'm sure that there is NO one *right* way to do anything in this world --- all i know is that i feel wonderful and that all the test of my insides show that i'm in the best shape i've ever been in, heart and everything else. i do TONS of cardio because i love it. plain and simple. no other reason than that. all the benefits of it are simply an added pleasure to me. i also lift weights with great intensity, because i love it !! both aspects of my program are very, very important to me. continued good luck with Body Rx -- i'm very glad that you have found a program that you are happy with and that produces such wonderful results for you, just as i have created one that works so good for me :D adriana |
When I went back and read the whole thread again, I was struck by the fact that we really are all over the place when it comes to cardio -- some of us love it, some can't stand it, some do it anyway, some don't. But we are united by our commitment to our fitness and health lifestyles and every one of us is doing her best to reach her goals. And we have some incredible success stories here at LWL! Sure, we may all be on different nutrition and exercise plans (remember Camp Meg and Camp Adriana and Camp Mel etc when we started Bootcamp), but we all still support each other along the way.
Weight and fat loss/fitness/health: geez, if you spend any time on the boards or Internet, you realize how much info is out there -- often contradictory.:dizzy: In the end, we all have to customize a program that works for us. The wonderful thing about our LWL part of the world is that we can come together, share knowledge and experiences, and take away what we need to keep putting together the puzzle pieces of health and fitness for ourselves. Love you guys and I'm so glad you're here! :balloons: Meg |
Yes that was exactly my point and why I posted Dr. C's credentials, that while he is highly qualified and extremely respected in the the fitness industry and the medical field, there is no 'best' way or no 'best' expert in a field as varied as this one. Its much like religion, IMO.
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Mindi and Deb == After Easter and this challenge, I am deffinitely doing BRx... Last week I was at Coles and I was looking at the BRx Book and SPII and bought SPII.... Bun now I'm sorry I didn't buy BRx!! SPII I just can't get into for some reason....But I'll continue to read it and will buy BRx ASAP!!
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Great thread, LWL!!
One last thought on cardio/weights: I do weights for my body, I do cardio for my mind. I need both at 100% to have the life I want to lead, to achieve the goals I've set out for myself. BethO |
Betho - I so agree with you about cardio and the mind. If there is a problem buzzing in my head, nothing, but nothing quiets my mind like a fast paced walk or a good spin on the bike. My mind starts to focus on the task at hand - getting up the hill one minute faster than I did last week, picking out a walker in the distance and increasing my stride to pass and then out pace them. By the time my cardio is over my mind has grown quiet and I can face my problem(s) objectively and rationally.
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Ilene, have you read the first SP? It may help you get into SPII more. I'm eating a bit more SPII style now, but this eating is similar to BRX and she recommends weight training over cardio for certain insulin types. Depends upon which one you think you may be?
SPII incorporates a bit less protein and a bit more use of fats than BRX. I'm going to see how SPII eating works for me and then if it does as I hope it will, I'll be able to incorporate a combo of these two programs for a lifestyle I can live with! |
right on ladies !!
dedication to our health, our goals and ourselves is what stands out so much here. that's why i love being here also, with all you smart, beautiful women (and the guys that drop by ;) )
Mindi - very well said!!! it's all about finding what really works for the mind, body and soul, isn't it? thank you for the very interesting discussion and the knowledgeable information :D Beth ! -- i also find that it's a wonderful way to get some time to just clear my head. that's one of the major attractions for me too :) i especially do this when i swim -- there's something about the water that isolates me in another world and gives me a chance to really think without fear of tripping over myself !! Sel -- i'm with you girlfriend !!! i LOVE the uphill in spinning, where it's just me and my legs doing the impossible. gives me the chance to just disconnect from everything and get into the basics of it all :D Meg -- once again, beautifully put into words !!! i really appreciate all the thought you put into your exercise, workouts, weights, cardio, weight loss, fat loss; the WHOLE thing !! you have delved into some very important subjects in the past few weeks and you just amaze me when you put your heart into words like that. thank you :D Ilene -- i'll be completely fascinated to hear about your journey if and when you start the Body Rx program ! i'm off to bed now so i have energies for a new monday tomorrow. too much to do and not enough time :dizzy: ta ta everyone. adriana |
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