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bubblybarrister 03-01-2013 08:48 AM
I find that while I love carbs, they don't do much for me. I am much more full after eating a meal with a small quantity of protein and fat than I am eating one with carbs. Obviously some carbs are better for you than other as far as how quickly they break down/you get hungry again, and I've gravitated towards those types of carbs. If I eat a lot of junky carbs without any other type of food, I tend to overeat and am starving again in no time, or I crash completely.

I totally agree with what ChickieBoom said. If you enjoy carbs, can eat them without overeating or experiencing the negative effects (crash, more carb craving), then I think you should go for it. Everyone's body is different!

TripSwitch 03-01-2013 09:11 AM
Restricting Carbohydrates makes sense for me... and I think that since so many overweight and obese people have some degree of various metabolic disturbances going on that the majority aren't even aware of... cutting back on carbs, and especially added sugars could prove to be very beneficial to say the least...

Amarantha2 03-01-2013 09:20 AM
I have concluded that I am sensitive to some grains & avoiding them helps me feel better (ditto refined sugar) & results in a lower carb diet but I eat plenty of carbs & feel well with them. Others have different results. It is very individual. Carbs do result in water weight gain for me, though, so I watch that.

dangerouscurvesahead 03-01-2013 09:42 AM
Complex carbs are also high fiber foods. Whole grains, fruits, and veggies (especially w/skins) and such make your body work to break down the sugars as where processed carbs are automatic sugar overloads since the work has been done for you and the high fiber of course helps flush your body, literally and figuratively. I have metabolic syndrome and predisposed to diabetis and a carb junkie! I took an 8wk diabetis class and was thrilled to learn if I switched to whole foods/complex carbs I didn't have to deprive myself! Carbs are 10% of my daily calorie count and I actually eat more now than before just by making healthier choices! We are all different its true BUT knowledge is power! Read, read, read before jumping on a bandwagon.
P.S. my sugar levels are now perfect! My cholesterol levels are quickly heading that way
too.

nelie 03-01-2013 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dangerouscurvesahead (Post 4650884)
Complex carbs are also high fiber foods. Whole grains, fruits, and veggies (especially w/skins) and such make your body work to break down the sugars as where processed carbs are automatic sugar overloads since the work has been done for you and the high fiber of course helps flush your body, literally and figuratively. I have metabolic syndrome and predisposed to diabetis and a carb junkie! I took an 8wk diabetis class and was thrilled to learn if I switched to whole foods/complex carbs I didn't have to deprive myself! Carbs are 10% of my daily calorie count and I actually eat more now than before just by making healthier choices! We are all different its true BUT knowledge is power! Read, read, read before jumping on a bandwagon.
P.S. my sugar levels are now perfect! My cholesterol levels are quickly heading that way
too.
10% carbs is a really low carb diet. I eat complex carbs but I'm in the 60-70% range. Most of those carb calories come from beans, lots and lots of beans.

mnemosyne 03-01-2013 10:45 AM
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According to Mark Sisson, author of The Primal Blueprint, we don't need to eat any carbs at all.


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"There is actually no requirement for any 'essential dietary carbohydrates' in human nutrition. It’s possible to live a very long and healthy life never consuming much – if any – in the way of carbs, provided you get adequate dietary protein and fat. The same can’t be said for going too long without protein or fat. Cut too far back on either of those macronutrients and you will eventually get sick and die."

(from this article)
This annoys me a bit. Carbohydrates are in vegetables and fruits, and there are macronutrients in veggies and fruits that you cannot get from any other source. Just ask, I don't know, ALL THOSE BRITISH SAILORS who got scurvy before the British navy invented the daiquiri. I am joking, a wee bit.

But really, he is engaging in a logical fallacy to make a dramatic point.

Also, the same thing could be said of meat. Meat is not necessary for human life, so everyone can eliminate tomorrow! Of course, once you eliminate meat from your diet, carbs become necessary, as vegetable protein sources 1) contain carbs; and 2) usually require the addition of a whole grain in the diet to create a complete protein.

It is a kind of logical fallacy in which he engages, to create a dramatic point. Low-carb diets may work for some, but I am a vegetarian and they do not work for me.

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10% carbs is a really low carb diet. I eat complex carbs but I'm in the 60-70% range. Most of those carb calories come from beans, lots and lots of beans.
I don't know my range, but it might be up there. And I am with you: lots and lots of beans. Plus the occasional (split or chick) pea. ;)

nelie 03-01-2013 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mnemosyne (Post 4650990)
I don't know my range, but it might be up there. And I am with you: lots and lots of beans. Plus the occasional (split or chick) pea. ;)
well I count those as beans :) Lentils and all.

mnemosyne 03-01-2013 10:53 AM
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well I count those as beans Lentils and all.
Oh, yes. Hah! Me too! I was making a wee bean joke. :)

AlmostMe 03-01-2013 11:31 AM
Mnemosyne - annoyed by that Mark Sissons quote?? You and me both. Just after that he says:

. Entire civilizations have existed for ages on what is practically a zero-carb diet.

What civilisation?? Really! Which one? Name one. Anyone, please - name one civilisation that has ever lived off a practically zero carb diet. Let me know when you come up with one, I won't be holding my breath.

There are some subsistence, hunter-gatherer CULTURES that are practically zero-carb (Inuits, for example). But civilisation requires cities in my book. No carbs? No cities.

schubunny 03-01-2013 11:34 AM
I think carbs are great in moderation. If I eat too much I start to crave them and my apetite gets out of control. I try to eat more refined cars and whole grain bread. The worst carbs for me are fast food and chips!

TripSwitch 03-01-2013 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mnemosyne (Post 4650990)
This annoys me a bit. Carbohydrates are in vegetables and fruits, and there are macronutrients in veggies and fruits that you cannot get from any other source. Just ask, I don't know, ALL THOSE BRITISH SAILORS who got scurvy before the British navy invented the daiquiri. I am joking, a wee bit.

But really, he is engaging in a logical fallacy to make a dramatic point.

Also, the same thing could be said of meat. Meat is not necessary for human life, so everyone can eliminate tomorrow! Of course, once you eliminate meat from your diet, carbs become necessary, as vegetable protein sources 1) contain carbs; and 2) usually require the addition of a whole grain in the diet to create a complete protein.

It is a kind of logical fallacy in which he engages, to create a dramatic point. Low-carb diets may work for some, but I am a vegetarian and they do not work for me.



I don't know my range, but it might be up there. And I am with you: lots and lots of beans. Plus the occasional (split or chick) pea. ;)
I'm no defender of Mark Sisson or the Primal Diet for that matter... and I think that Gary Taubes is a better source to reference when it comes to having a discussion about carbohydrates in our diet, whether you believe him or not... but I'm assuming you're referencing Vitamin C here... which is a not a macronutrient, but a micronutrient... and the the counter argument there is that the Inuit do not get scurvy and they only consume a diet of meat and fish and obtain adequate vitamin C from those sources...

nelie 03-01-2013 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TripSwitch (Post 4651089)
I'm assuming you're referencing Vitamin C here... which is a not a macronutrient, but a micronutrient... and the the counter argument there is that the Inuit do not get scurvy and they only consume a diet of meat and fish and obtain adequate vitamin C from those sources...
I found this which talks about vitamin C in the Inuit diet:
http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic32-2-135.pdf

Both seal liver and beluga whale skin contain higher amounts of vitamin C when eaten raw, which would explain the lack of vitamin C deficiency. This would work for those in arctic climates but for other parts of the world, other things such as fruits and herbal teas would be required to provide adequate vitamin C.

Munchy 03-01-2013 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JenMusic (Post 4650656)
My path to "low carb" wasn't intentional. When I started to count calories, I included carbs as a major portion of my food intake. What I started to realize after a while, though, is that protein and fat really upped my level of satiety and allowed me more room for unprocessed fruit and veggies. Slowly frozen waffles for breakfast became eggs, baked chips at lunch and 100 calorie packs of packaged desserts became carrots sticks with (full fat) cheese and whole strawberries.

This transition happened over the course of months and it wasn't until I looked back that I realized that my diet had become much more carb controlled - and that my weight loss was benefiting. Whether from better diet compliance or the elimination of some cravings or . . . whatever. :) I'm not exactly sure, but I know that I feel better having eliminated most sugar and flour.
EXACTLY THIS!

JohnP 03-01-2013 12:13 PM
I didn't read the responses ... so someone probably already said this but carbs are so taboo because they are the latest victim in the blame game.

First it was fat.

Then it was carbs.

Right now it is just transitioning into sugar.

Next it might be sex. (Watch out sex!)

Just kidding about that last bit but this is how the industry works. Books have to be sold, articles have to be written...

Whether one should avoid carbs or flock to them depends on context of the individual.

krampus 03-01-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JenMusic (Post 4650656)
My path to "low carb" wasn't intentional...

...This transition happened over the course of months and it wasn't until I looked back that I realized that my diet had become much more carb controlled - and that my weight loss was benefiting. Whether from better diet compliance or the elimination of some cravings or . . . whatever
I'd say the same for me. High-carb and volumetrics is pretty close to impossible. And I dislike feeling fake-hungry, which happens easily with too many starchy or sugary foods.

Also it's kind of like a runaway train. I had a high-carb lunch yesterday (whole Subway footlong and a banana). Then a workout. Then a big dinner that should have been filling - 2-3 servings of kale and a hard boiled egg and about 8-10 oz of chicken with cheese on it. It was like none of it even fell into my belly - I went out and ended up having half a turkey reuben and 4 wings after dinner, and then I STILL wasn't "satisfied" even though I was bloated and over-full.


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