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GlamourGirl827 03-29-2012 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy23 (Post 4272985)
Some survivors just come out of their experiences broken.

Very true, and good point.

GlamourGirl827 03-29-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LockItUp (Post 4272999)
And I hope to raise my 2 kids to be nice people who are allowed to feel however they feel without fear of being viewed as weak by their mother, or their father for that matter. And I hope to the good Lord that they never think it's ok to make fun of people, whether or not it's in front of them or behind their back.

This is probably me, but you are talking about how kind you are but your reply is passive aggressive. Maybe its me?? Can a third party please correct me, and let me know if I am wrong??

You hope to raise your kids be nice people (ok as opposed to those of us NOT raising them to be nice??) that can feel how they want without being viewed as weak by their mother. (I said I see it as weakness, so are you referring to how I would view my kids should they be thin skinned?? Is this saying how you will suceed as a mother where someone with my views would otherwise fail?? )

And you hope to the good LORD that they never think its ok to make fun of people, and you makde sure to point out this included behind their back, AFTER I said that as long as the person doesn't know, I don't think its a big deal. So what is that saying about me? Or people who agree with me? That you hope to the good lord your kids are never like that? Hmmmm sounds rather insulting. Good thing I'm thick skinned, huh?? lol

You know you act like you are so kind and so much better than us meanies, but you don't see how your post is just as rude, if not worse, because instead of saying this:
I will be a better mother because I will raise NICE kids, and not tell my kids they are weak when they are easily upset by things, and when I raise them, I pray to god they don't turn out like you.

You vail it in a mild post...I really don't think that's any better than making fun of someone to their face.

Ok maybe ist me! Maybe I'm nuts and that message totally doesn't exist in that post???
Seriously, if a few people tell me that what you said is nothing like that, and it in no way can be taken like that, I take it all back and apologize. We can shake hands and part ways.

AlyN 03-29-2012 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GlamourGirl827 (Post 4272969)
This is so not true. It shows that maybe you haven't had to endure the same difficulties.

Personally, I think we should just stop using "skin" terms. We all have specific things that get to us sometimes. I think it is great that you came out of your childhood strong. It's truly wonderful. At the same time though, you cannot assume that just because I get revved up over stupid comments sometimes doesn't mean I haven't gone through things. Or should ever be compared to the things others have gone through.

I also didn't mean that "thick skinned" people aren't compassionate or empathetic or both. I just mean't that it doesn't make them weak babies. Personally, that comment didn't make me feel sad or cry. It made me mad. I just think it was an insincere way to poke fun. I don't find it ironic. And I don't find it humorous. Especially with the term "fat b******" included. It's degrading.

Like I said we all have differing opinions. You are more than welcome to yours, just as I am to mine. :) But just because some people don't have the same sense of humor and deal with things the same doesn't make them any weaker or even any stronger than you or have gone through any less. We're all different, and we all handle things differently.

AlyN 03-29-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GlamourGirl827 (Post 4273097)
This is probably me, but you are talking about how kind you are but your reply is passive aggressive. Maybe its me?? Can a third party please correct me, and let me know if I am wrong??

You hope to raise your kids be nice people (ok as opposed to those of us NOT raising them to be nice??) that can feel how they want without being viewed as weak by their mother. (I said I see it as weakness, so are you referring to how I would view my kids should they be thin skinned?? Is this saying how you will suceed as a mother where someone with my views would otherwise fail?? )

And you hope to the good LORD that they never think its ok to make fun of people, and you makde sure to point out this included behind their back, AFTER I said that as long as the person doesn't know, I don't think its a big deal. So what is that saying about me? Or people who agree with me? That you hope to the good lord your kids are never like that? Hmmmm sounds rather insulting. Good thing I'm thick skinned, huh?? lol

You know you act like you are so kind and so much better than us meanies, but you don't see how your post is just as rude, if not worse, because instead of saying this:
I will be a better mother because I will raise NICE kids, and not tell my kids they are weak when they are easily upset by things, and when I raise them, I pray to god they don't turn out like you.

You vail it in a mild post...I really don't think that's any better than making fun of someone to their face.

Ok maybe ist me! Maybe I'm nuts and that message totally doesn't exist in that post???
Seriously, if a few people tell me that what you said is nothing like that, and it in no way can be taken like that, I take it all back and apologize. We can shake hands and part ways.

I didn't read into it as much as that... I think at the heart of it there are just differing opinions on making fun of someone in front of their face and behind their back and whether or not it is wrong or right.

freelancemomma 03-29-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VermontMom (Post 4272820)
...but to encourage a 'hardyharhar' about it from one's children is pretty offensive to me. And not something I would ever, ever expect from a 3FC member.

I guess you directed this comment at me. Oh well. I'm able to laugh at myself. I'm able to laugh at others AND empathize with their plight. One doesn't preclude the other. I'm also able to admit to some horrendous binging behaviours in the past, and if someone saw fit to laugh or gossip about it I would find it neither surprising nor offensive. And no, I'm not thick-skinned about everything. I bleed when my work is criticized. But I'm realistic about human nature, including my own.

Freelance

AlyN 03-29-2012 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Elladorine (Post 4272955)
That particular day I was sooo caught off-guard by the comment that I drove home completely dumb-founded. I really should have stepped inside and asked to speak with a manager, but I was also much more of a wimp then. :lol: These days I'm much more likely to approach a manager over any unprofessional issue when it comes to customer service, weight-related or not.

I was ordering at Denny's the other day and asked for the Fit Slam. The waitress seriously asked me like five times if I wanted fries instead of the fruit, as if she was concerned I didn't know what I was getting myself into. Had she asked me just once I might have just found it odd and brushed it off, but repeating herself several times when I made it clear that yes, I wanted the fruit, and then overhearing her argue with the next table over what a healthy choice supposedly was (and being completely wrong about it), I spoke to the manager upon leaving. Her job is to take orders, not inflict her issues with food upon her customers. :lol:

Good for you! That is ridiculous for her to do! I don't care if you wanted bacon cheese covered fries topped with sour cream and 1,000,000 calorie fry juice. It's your body. The restaurant serves it. And dang it, you can order it. For her to make such a fuss over fruit is ridiculous. I'm a waitress and NEVER argue with customers over what they are getting. It's just ridiculous and makes HER job harder on her. Just get what the people want, no questions asked.
I know I went to IHOP one time with my mom on Black Friday and we ordered normal dishes, but we were hungry from getting up early and shopping and walking so much. We both finished our plates. The waitress said "wow you girls must have been reallllllllllllly hungry". -_- Comments like that are bad for tips. I know that waitress learned her lesson that day.

AlyN 03-29-2012 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Natasha22 (Post 4272846)
I'm sure your sister didn't want to be mean, she probably didn't think you'd feel offended, that's why she laughed. Overweight people are very insecure about their bodies, and perhaps this was some sort of self-irony meant to create an illusion of confidence "I'm so comfortable with my own appearance that I don't mind making jokes about people who are overweight". Some people are just like that, you should just ignore them, just as you'd ignore any other rude remark.

I am sure you are right. I have always known this particular girl to be very hypocritical, but she's a friend of one of my best friends, so we are forced together sometimes... -la sigh-
When I take another look at it, I think it's sad. Because she probably considers herself a "fat b****"... :/

Candeka 03-29-2012 10:06 PM

I think if the facebook post was directed at a certain person, then it is horrible. However, if the post is just a generalization, then the poster is allowed to feel that way and say those things. Just like others are allowed to feel hurt by it or feel that that the poster said was wrong.

We judge alcoholics, drug addicts, those with crazy obsessions/addictions (My Crazy Addiction on TLC for example), hoarders, people with 20 cats. We will all make jokes about them because we don't have that issue that they have. However, if someone makes fun of weight issues, we get offended since we feel we have weight issues. Its very hypocritical of us and I find myself eating my own words sometimes. We will never be accepting of every single issue, nor will we always be accepted for our personal issues and we need to understand that. Unless the attack is personally at you "Hey, Katrina your fat" for example, I can't get angry over people making fun of fat people in general.

AlyN 03-29-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Candeka (Post 4273192)
I think if the facebook post was directed at a certain person, then it is horrible. However, if the post is just a generalization, then the poster is allowed to feel that way and say those things. Just like others are allowed to feel hurt by it or feel that that the poster said was wrong.

We judge alcoholics, drug addicts, those with crazy obsessions/addictions (My Crazy Addiction on TLC for example), hoarders, people with 20 cats. We will all make jokes about them because we don't have that issue that they have. However, if someone makes fun of weight issues, we get offended since we feel we have weight issues. Its very hypocritical of us and I find myself eating my own words sometimes. We will never be accepting of every single issue, nor will we always be accepted for our personal issues and we need to understand that. Unless the attack is personally at you "Hey, Katrina your fat" for example, I can't get angry over people making fun of fat people in general.

I really agree with all of what you just said. That's why I just needed to rant over something that really grated at me. I think it was the fat b****** part. I think using that term to describe women grates on me in general. Personally, I just try to imagine the people in those situations though. If I made a comment like "I think it's so funny when recovering alcoholic b***** try an act like they dont want a drink when you offer them one" I would find it just as offensive, and I'm not an alcoholic. But you're right we all poke fun at people at different times and get offended when it can relate to us. I just think we should take this and try to be a little bit more compassionate.

Candeka 03-29-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AlyN (Post 4273206)
I really agree with all of what you just said. That's why I just needed to rant over something that really grated at me. I think it was the fat b****** part. I think using that term to describe women grates on me in general. Personally, I just try to imagine the people in those situations though. If I made a comment like "I think it's so funny when recovering alcoholic b***** try an act like they dont want a drink when you offer them one" I would find it just as offensive, and I'm not an alcoholic. But you're right we all poke fun at people at different times and get offended when it can relate to us. I just think we should take this and try to be a little bit more compassionate.

Yeah, the fat ***** part is what takes the post from being acceptable, to being down right degrading. People are allowed their own opinions, but they should portray them in somewhat of a decent fashion. If you add fat ***** to anything it pretty much destroys the whole sentence.


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