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NinaV 01-23-2009 08:24 PM

Love yourself?
 
So, I'm having an internal battle.
I think it is bizzare when people talk about how you're supposed to love yourself no matter your size. But that's not really possible if you really don't like your self at the size you are now. Is it?
Isn't that why most of us are working on loosing weight? Because we don't like ourselves fat!
I am going through a sort of a crossroads period in my own life and I have been thinking about a lot of these things lately. My DH always says I think too much, I guess he's right.
What do you think? Can you love yourself if you don't like yourself?

Beautiful Ace 01-23-2009 08:25 PM

I think you can learn to love yourself;)

(but don't ask me how! lol)

mandalinn82 01-23-2009 08:31 PM

IMO, yes.

When people say you have to "Love yourself first", I think that they are really saying that, in order to make consistently healthy choices, you first need to believe that you are good enough to be worth that effort. After all, if you don't believe you have worth, why on earth would you put so much time and effort into taking care of yourself?

Besides, weight isn't the only element of a person. Say you aren't happy with your weight...totally fine. But liking YOURSELF is a whole lot bigger than that. I like that I'm a good cook, that I'm crafty, and that I take good care of people I love. Overall, even if I have things I still want to work on, I like who I am, and I believe I have worth. And it's THAT belief...that I am a good, likeable person with some things that aren't ideal, that really empowers me to make changes ABOUT those things I like less.

TJFitnessDiva 01-23-2009 08:48 PM

Exactly what mandainn said!

You have to love yourself to make a healthy change....also you can not like the way something in your life is going and still love yourself ;)

I *heart* myself :D

NinaV 01-23-2009 08:50 PM

I'm not saying you can't respect your intellect or your dedication to your causes whatever they might be (family, work, environment, whateever floats your boat). I'm just saying to be able to say that you really truly love yourself unconditionally... well, there shouldn't be conditions.
Saying "I love myself, but I want to lose weight so that I'm healthier" means it's not unconditional. The "but" is a condition. So you don't really love yourself until you are happy with all the aspects of who you are. Your mind, your body, your spirituality, everything.
Please prove me wrong. I am getting depressed by all these realizations.

jademarlene 01-23-2009 08:51 PM

I agree with mandalinn, we are much more than our weight. I don't like the weight that I carry now, but that doesn't stop me from liking or loving myself. Unless someone thinks they are perfect there is always going to be something that they do not like about themselves. I think it is the same with the people in our lives, I know that there have been times where I haven't liked someone because of something they did or said, but that didnt' stop me from loving them, if that makes any sense.

Beautiful Ace 01-23-2009 08:51 PM

I really disagree... Would you stop loving your husband just because he gained a couple pounds? NOOOOO. Why should it be different about loving yourself?

mandalinn82 01-23-2009 08:55 PM

So, your husband isn't perfect, right? Sometimes he irritates you? Sometimes he does things you'd prefer he didn't? Maybe his hair is a different color than the color you pictured growing up?

Do you still love him? Do you see where I'm going with this?

I think the difference is that you are saying "I love myself, BUT I need to lose weight". I try to say "I love myself SO MUCH that I am willing to make some minor sacrifices to be healthier!" It's not a CONDITION on the love. The love is the whole reason it's so important.

This is why we can put up with some less-than-desirable behaviors from significant others (like leaving socks on the floor or whatever)...we love them SO MUCH that many indiscretions can be let go.

Justwant2Bhealthy 01-23-2009 08:57 PM

You may not like that you are overweight, but that doesn't mean that you cannot LOVE YOURSELF as a person. I think they are two separate matters. Actually, I think that it is important that you do love yourself, as that can set the foundation upon which you try to make improvements. I agree that loving yourself is saying that you are a worthy person; and everyone is worthy of being loved, regardless of individual physical characteristics like weight, hair color, height, and so on.

Surely, you must have some lovable traits and abilities. As someone here once said, "your self-worth doesn't equal the sum of your weight." (maybe Jillybean)

I really agree with what AMANDA had to say too! If you can love yourself; respect yourself; care about yourself; accept yourself; then, you can move on and take the steps you need to change the things you don't like ...

JayEll 01-23-2009 09:01 PM

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So you don't really love yourself until you are happy with all the aspects of who you are. Your mind, your body, your spirituality, everything.
I'd say you really are overthinking this. :yes: Following that line of thought, we would never be able to love ourselves. Because we will never be happy with everything, all the time, forever. :no:

I love myself just fine! But I definitely did not like being obese. I finally saw that I wasn't helping myself to let that go on--and like mandalinn82 said, I love myself enough to do something about it. No, I didn't like it that I had become obese. But I am more than my body.

Jay

winning the war 01-23-2009 09:34 PM

I also think you can love yourself, but not like every aspect of your life. Self, I think, is what you might see if you never saw your shell (body). Like generosity, faith, compassion, attitude. All the intangibles. Our physical appearance is very fluid in that it's always changing. If I were in an accident and had scars all over, I would still keep those characteristics of myself even though my outward appearance changed. See?

Hummus 01-24-2009 02:00 AM

I agree with the other posters - you don't have to be perfect to deserve love, even from yourself. If your love for yourself were truly conditional, you would stop loving yourself when you gain weight. Being able to love yourself despite what you consider to be your flaws is true unconditional love. That's important for success in many areas of your life, including weight loss.

Another way to think about it is to think about another area of your life that is less than perfect: would you love yourself any less if you sometimes played computer games at the office? If you leave the dishes a little too long (this is one of my bad habits!)? There's always going to be something about ourselves, and others, that we could improve, but loving yourself means appreciating what you excel at and putting in the effort to make any improvements because you're worth the effort!

midwife 01-24-2009 09:57 AM

Oh gosh I love lots of people, but I might not LIKE them all the time.....but that is a digression.

I look at it like: I love myself AND therefore I want myself to be healthy and fit and live a long long time.

Self-loathing has never been a helpful technique for me....not with weight management or with anything else.

Good luck to you as you sort this out.

I would also add, however, that I don't see fat as a moral issue. It is a biological issue. I was not a "bad" person when I was obese and I am not magically a "better" person now that I have a normal BMI.

lottie63 01-24-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NinaV (Post 2571833)
I'm not saying you can't respect your intellect or your dedication to your causes whatever they might be (family, work, environment, whateever floats your boat). I'm just saying to be able to say that you really truly love yourself unconditionally... well, there shouldn't be conditions.
Saying "I love myself, but I want to lose weight so that I'm healthier" means it's not unconditional. The "but" is a condition. So you don't really love yourself until you are happy with all the aspects of who you are. Your mind, your body, your spirituality, everything.
Please prove me wrong. I am getting depressed by all these realizations.

I"ve got to disagree here. I don't think that just because you want to be healthy that you dont' love yourself the way you are. I mean, I want to be healthy, I have awesoem self esteem and I totally love myself. Would I prefer not to get diabetes though? yup! If I really DIDN"T love myself, I'd say, **** with it, diabetes be damned I'm staying fat!

kaplods 01-24-2009 12:07 PM

I think I was conditioned to hate myself because I was fat, because that's what our culture in so many ways tells us we're supposed to do. Fat people are disgusting, smelly, lazy and all sorts of horrible things.

It was only when I decided that I was fabulous whether or not I lost weight, that I really started on the path I'm on now. It has changed completely the way I diet. In the past, it was all about trying to "be good" and hating myself when I failed or fell short in any way. Dieting was a way to punish or control the "bad" me.

It's a lot different now. Losing weight isn't about punishing the bad me, it's about pampering my wonderful self. I always thought the ultimate in luxury was a vacation at a fancy spa, where the food is fabulous and healthy and there are dozens of fun, active things to do, and I decided to recreate that for myself. I decided that my goal was to only let my weight and health probpems stop me from doing what they physically physically prevented me from doing. I wasn't going to worry about what other people thought of me, when they saw me swimming, or on a bicycle or doing anything that only thin people are supposed to be doing.

I think some people with minor self-esteem issues can feel better about themselves after they lose weight (or accomplish any other significant achievements), but I think serious self-esteem issues run much deeper. Fat people who hate themselves, will often just become thin people who hate themselves.

Loving yourself doesn't mean you have no goals. In fact, I think the opposite is true. The better you feel about yourself, the more you want to do (and believe you can accomplish) in life, not only to help others, but in your own self-interest also.

I've lost 60 lbs, and it has been an accomplishment that I am quite proud of. I don't think I like myself more because of those 60 lbs, though. In the past, I would have, but when I place my worth conditional on my weight, then things I can't control like normal fluctuations and PMS weight gain make me feel worse about myself. I would have looked at the 60 lbs and compared it to the 200 I still have to lose, and I would decide that 60 lbs wasn't much of an accomplishment after all. Occasionally, ghosts of the past do appear. I get in a funk, looking at my weight as I once did - but I remind myself that I know this isn't true.

I think it's often a matter of treating ourselves as we would treat others. If we have an overweight friend, we probably wouldn't say to her "I'd sure like you a lot more if you weren't so fat." In fact, anyone who would say something like that, we'd think was a nasty jerk. So why be a nasty jerk to yourself?

nelie 01-24-2009 12:14 PM

I'm with kaplods on this. I grew up absolutely hating myself. My mind was filled with negative comments about myself. It was only when I told myself that it was not acceptable to hate myself was I able to do positive things for myself and lose weight. I don't let negative thoughts about myself exist. If they enter my mind, I push them away with positive thoughts.

I do love myself and believe I have to think about the positive and not dwell on the negative.

Also, are you intending to set a weight limit or jean size when you will love yourself? Anorexics can be 80 lbs and still not love themselves. Size should not dictate how you feel about yourself.

rockinrobin 01-24-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NinaV (Post 2571833)
Saying "I love myself, but I want to lose weight so that I'm healthier"

How about -"I love myself SO (not BUT), I want to lose weight so that I'm healthier."

They are two separate issues. You love yourself. You want to lose weight.


Quote:

So you don't really love yourself until you are happy with all the aspects of who you are. Your mind, your body, your spirituality, everything.
Please prove me wrong. I am getting depressed by all these realizations.
Aren't we always changing? Always looking to expand ourselves and grow? Always striving to be a better person? Hopefully there will never be a time where we feel we're *perfect* or have reached our absolute "peak". I hope to always learn and experience new things. So there is no waiting till I'm "done" with all that I want to do and accomplish, to first begin loving myself.

Michelle98272 01-24-2009 11:32 PM

I love myself
 
For me...loving myself means accepting that I have an "issue" with food, body image, unhealthy lifestyle choices. I used to hate myself for those reasons. I disliked how I looked at 145lbs AND at 245lbs.

I recently tried to make peace with myself at 240+ lbs. I told myself I liked certain parts of my body. I have pretty eyes and really nices b***S. Am I happy with my whole body? No! My belly is revolting and my thighs make me nauseous. But I can recognize that I do have some redeeming qualities. Funny thing...those things I like at my size and weight, are the same body parts I liked when I was a size 10.

I don't think loving yourself has much to do with size. I hated myself at size 10. I can honestly say I like myself better now at my size and weight than I did 100 lbs ago. It's about accepting where you are and loving yourself, flaws and all.

flatiron 01-24-2009 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lottie63 (Post 2572649)
I"ve got to disagree here. I don't think that just because you want to be healthy that you dont' love yourself the way you are. I mean, I want to be healthy, I have awesoem self esteem and I totally love myself. Would I prefer not to get diabetes though? yup! If I really DIDN"T love myself, I'd say, **** with it, diabetes be damned I'm staying fat!

This is how I feel. I am not losing weight because I hate myself I am losing weight because I care enough about me to try and be healthier so I can live longer and enjoy life more.

It is BECAUSE I love myself and life that I want to improve myself.

DCHound 01-24-2009 11:55 PM

I love myself sometimes. I didn't love myself very much when I weighed 360 lbs. But then again I didn't love myself very much when I weighed 180 lbs either. My weight is a component of why I didn't love myself very much but it's not the whole reason. A large part of my problem was, I didn't allow myself to feel anything, good or bad, most of the time for the last twenty years, mostly due to the really horrible relationship I was in. And, as bad as that was, it was even worse when the relationship ended. It took me from August 2003 - August 2008 to really get over it to the point where I could start to move on. But I have now moved on, and continue to do so every day.

One thing I think is very different for me now is, I allow and encourage myself to have feelings and emotions, whether they are good or bad, happy or sad. And I am able to look back at who I was from 2003-2008--very depressed, quite unlovely and often unlovable--and I can truly say that I love her (me at 360 lbs).

It's harder to always love me now, but I am really trying. I don't think I've ever tried before. It's really hard. I think it's getting a bit easier every day though.

futuresurferchick 01-25-2009 12:05 AM

Hi Nina.. I used to struggle with this question too. I think that the way that it is put in the media can be confusing, and is intimidating. This idea that you have to love yourself first, before you can do anything about weight loss, can be a debilitating statement if we feel like we can't live up to it. I think a lot of people here have given you great advice, but I just wanted to add.. one way to make it less of an intimidating idea is to think of loving yourself as an ongoing action, rather than an emotion or state of mind. Loving yourself every day means treating yourself well, treating your mind and body with respect and care. This is something that fits right in with living a healthier lifestyle. :)

beautybooty 01-25-2009 08:44 PM

For me it's a matter of loving myself enough to know that I need to live a healthier life than this one.

Sea 01-26-2009 12:51 PM

At least for me, NOT loving one's self is how I got to this point. Some of us punish ourselves for not being worth the effort to be healthy. When we love ourselves, we will recognize that we deserve to be healthy; and that will enable us to feel better, physically and, hopefully, emotionally. Years of accepting the notion that we weren't worth much, left many of us not caring for ourselves physically as we needed to be. It doesn't make it any one else's fault but our own for accepting and acting on the notion; but we let it hurt us, nonetheless.

Ladies (and men), love yourselves enough to take as good care of yourselves as you would your closest family member or dearest friend.

Liliann 01-26-2009 01:04 PM

Read Overcoming Overeating by Jane Hirshaman(spelling) It is my bible and it expains for people who diet,is pushnishing ourselves. If no one accepts of Who you are, that person got problems. It took me years that dieting does not work and just causes extra problems.

Invest in a mirror, start loving YOU.and lose weight naturally. I am prove since I lost 17 Lbs and am eating the foods I love.

Best wishes!!

Liliann:)


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