A'righty I did the same thing I did as yesterday.

7am.. Ate the rest of yesterdays sandwhich for breakfast. While eating my iguanas fruit and veggies. (All I have right now, good thing he's to small toeat it all right now. )

Went to work at 830

About 9am had some wheat thins and carrots.

1130 had half of the same type of sandwhich I made yesterday.

Wheat bread, slice of turkey/ham meat. Mustard, more of iguanas' mustard green and collard greens. (so far I like it better than regular lettuce. it's better for ya too.)


Snacked celery and carrots inbetween the sandwhiches

230 had the other half of the sandwhich.

Threw out the day had a bottle of water, 1 pint or something. I know that isn't alot of water to alot of people, but it was a ton to me.

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OK Now for this mental thing... No, I'm not offended by any means. I know what you mean by it. My daddy said that it's just the way I was raised. It's how i've always ate. I'm not stressed enough about losing weight to "Think" I'm always full. Believe me I know when i'm hungry. My tummy will scream at me when I'm hungry. When I'm full, well, it lets me know that to. I don't actually get sick, I don't throw up or anything like that. I just get to a point to where I look at food and just go "UGG".

Today with everything I ate like that it actually drained me. I'm so tired, kind of even shaky. Not sure if it's because I'm not used to eating that often threw out the day or what. But I do know that it isn't a mental thing. My body and my mind don't agree enough to do that. I want to feed the body what it needs, sometimes the body just doesn't want to accept it. Don't know what more I can on that.

I'm thinking about going back to my protien shakes. They don't make me feel so drained and shaky. Shake for breakfast and lunch. Eat fruits and veggies in between. Only thing is, I know that won't give me the calories I need. In all out honesty I don't want to keep eating the bread, I'm trying to get away from eating carbs with protien. Starch + Protien together isn't good for you. But I've been eating the sandwhiches because it's all I have right now till this weekend.

I don't know if what i'm feeling right now is a good thing or not. I just know all I wanna do is go to bed and crash...

Hey Kazzy,

If you wouldn't get enough calories with the shakes, you could always eat something with the shake.

It seems unusual for someone to feel the way you do--what does your doctor say about it? Have you discussed with him or her that eating makes you sick like this? Or that you get dizzy, etc.? It could be that you have a problem with your blood sugar. There's no way to know until it gets checked out.

I'm glad you're not offended by the suggestions about the mental connection. I'm just sorta guessing at things, and because you said you feel like you're gorging when you just eat half a sandwich, that sounded more like an attitude than physical. But it does sound like there is a physical thing going on.

I'd see my doctor--get some blood work--discuss what's happening.

What you ate yesterday, at least as far as you listed it, sounded OK. You could add something like lowfat (2%) cottage cheese with the wheat thins and carrots--so you get some protein.

Good luck! Let us know how it's going...

Jay

Well I just got new insurance recently waiting for my card to come in. Yes it has been forever since I've seen the doctor. Could be a million things wrong as far as I know. I do plan on seeing the doc soon though. I have a ton of issues right now with just my sinuses and ears that I don't have a choice at this point.

I thought it about it last night, after that post and while cooking dinner. I think I know why I felt like I did yesterday. My body has been out of wack for the last 6 mths. *Yes I know the reasons* and it's just trying to get back onto it's own track right now. And here I'm changing it's diet and exercise again. It just doesn't how to react right now. None the less I will stick to a program. It's finally friday which means going shopping tomorrow.. But yea I'll keep you all updated.

Thank you everyone for the wonderful advice.

Kazzy

That's the second time I saw you post this so... There is nothing that says starch & protein together isnt good. In fact, for many people, starch & protein TOGETHER is the ONLY way to eat starch. For best blood sugar control, starch should be eaten with protein and fat.

I agree with ennay. Unless you are really doing strict food combining, there isn't anything wrong with starch plus protein.

Jay

Starch will slow down the digesting of the protien. Specially potatoes and steaks. I'm sure it doesn't apply to ALL startches and such. But my old room mate was a total health fanatic, his mom and dad were both health consultants.. Granted I don't know the details as to what they did.. But they were all into the chinese herbs, teas, detoxes.. so and so forth. I actually learned quite a bit from them. I will admit I have a hard time doing exactly what they did. But I'm working on finding my thing that works for me.

I'm not trying to be a know it all or anything. I'm far from that. And everyone has their own beliefs on works for them and such. That's just where I heard that from. Drinking while eating is the same thing, dilutes the food and makes the digesting slower. It's a toss up on that, like Jay said, no proven facts on that. Hard to say. Having a good digestive system going is one good key to weight loss as well. Everyone is different so I can't speak for everyone of course. /shrug

i would also make another recommendation...after seeing the dr and if nothing is wrong (blood sugar or thyroid), then i would recommend if you could afford one go see a nutriontalist. I think from your posts that you have a lot of confusion and misconceptions...in addition, i think they would be better at telling you which foods might work better for you (esp wit your diary issues).

How is that a misconception? I've always known that this was bad. I haven't eatin meat with potatoes in a long time. With orential foods I get steamed veggies instead of rice or noddles... Don't need a nutrionists to tell me that. Plus it's the last thing I can afford right now. =/

I looked it up and came up with a few different articles saying how bad it is to mix startch with protein... Like this one...


Protein and Starch

"This is the worst possible combination of foods to mix together at a single meal, and yet it is the mainstay of modern Western diets: meat and potatoes, hamburgers and fries, eggs and toast, etc.

When one consumes protein and starch together, the alkaline enzyme ptyalin pours into the food as it's chewed in the mouth.

When the masticated food reaches the stomach, digestion of starch by alkaline enzymes continues unabated, thereby preventing the digestion of protein by pepsin and other acid secretions.

The ever-present bacteria in the stomach are thus permitted to attach the protein and putrefaction commences, rendering nutrients in the protein food largely useless to you and producing toxic wastes and foul gases, including such poisons as indol, skatol, phenol, hydrogen sulphide, phenylpropionic acid, and others.

If that is the case, you may well wonder, then why does the stomach have no trouble handling foods that naturally contain both protein and starch, such as whole grains?

As Dr. Shelton points out, "There is a great difference between the digestion of a food, however complex its composition, and the digestion of a mixture of different foods."

To a single article of food that is a starch-protein combination, the body can easily adjust its juices, both as to strength and timing, to the digestive requirements of the food. But when two foods are eaten with different, even opposite, digestive needs, this precise adjustment of juices to requirements becomes impossible."

Source: Daniel Reid.


THE RULE: Eat concentrated proteins such as meat, fish, eggs and cheese separately from concentrated starches such as bread, potatoes and rice.

For example, eat toast or eggs for breakfast, the hamburger patty or the bun for lunch, meat or potatoes for dinner.
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kazuyal,

I did some cruising on the Web and the only sources I can find that say starches and protein together are bad for you is certain practitioners of chinese medicine. Everything else says it's not only fine, but the starches aid in the digestion of protein.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

FWIW, I did some food combining at one time. Suzanne Somers was promoting this way of eating a few years back. You separated carbs from proteins/fats. So you would have a meal that was basically all proteins/fats, OR a meal that was basically carbs. I think some vegetables were neutral, but I'd have to look it up.

I will say that my digestion problems cleared up when I was following that idea. Then again, my digestion is good now--since I don't overeat carbs the way I used to. And generally, I don't overeat any food the way I used to! I think that's part of the problem as well.

Incidentally, Suzanne Somers said she learned this particular way of eating from the French.

So, I do think there is something to that idea--but I'm no longer following it. And I don't seem to be having any ill effects.

Jay

well because as far as all my nutrition classes i've taken...there's never been anything that said you can't eat starches with protein. If that's the case then a lot of us are defying odds..since i eat small amount of starches with protein all the time and have continued to loose weight as long as i don't go over my calorie requriement. I've never heard the thing about starches not beig eaten with protein...in fact i can think of alot of cultures that do it and are thin...for example..the asian are usually very thin people, yet they ear rice with fish and other protiens. That's why i though maybe a nutritionist could shed some light on some things. I've had many nutrition classes..have a BS in animal nutrition...and yes even though it is animals and not humans..i had to take some human stuff too. But ultimantely you need to find what works for you. And since you have already stated that what you are doing isn't working....some of us are trying to offer ideas that might help you. But we aren't dr's and don't have a degree in human nutrition, so maybe you should start talking to those who know more than us. We are just telling you what worked for us. good luck

Hi - new here - and my advice might not be so popular, but it works for me. Weight fluctuates so much throughout the day and the week, that if you weigh yourself too often the number doesn't really mean much. Try weighing yourself only once a week, like every Saturday, when you first wake up, after you go to the bathroom, before you eat or drink anything. Go by how your clothes are fitting instead. If you are working out you probably won't lose pounds as quickly as you lose inches anyway. Also, keep a food journal and weigh and measure your food so you know you are really staying on track - you really should count calories I think, at least for a bit, so you understand how many calories are in foods and how much you are really consuming. Just giving up food groups doesn't really do much if you are consuming too many calories. If you really are staying on track, and are working out on top of that, it's only science - you will lose weight if you are truly consuming less calories than you are using. Save the scale for once a week, or depending on how much weight you have to lose, better yet every two weeks even. Just feel good about working out and eating healthy, one day at a time.

I hope I am making sense - this is what I do and it's the only thing that works. I try to forget I am trying to lose weight - I just try to concentrate on staying on track, not the number on the scale every day, so I don't obsess. That is the secret to staying on it for the long haul. Good luck!

SvenskaNYC,

Jay

hey there savenskanyc.

Also another thing i was thinking of..you mentioned you were having sinus issues. If you are havig a lot of drainage..this will make you full and possibly nausious since the sinus drainage goes to your stomach...so that's again why as soon as you can...get to a dr.

I did Somersizing to lose the first 75 lbs. Jay is right; it does advocate food combining, fats/proteins meals vs. carb meals. Non-starchy vegetables can be eaten with either type meal. It was wonderful for my digestion. I was never gassy (TMI, I know) or had indigestion.

However, unless you are following a specific plan like that, I know (from personal experience) that it isn't necessary to seperate proteins and carbs to lose weight. After I lost about 75 lbs, I decided that I wanted to eat other things, so I added other foods and wasn't so strict with the combining. Now I still eat mostly whole foods, calorie count, but I don't worry about combining.

And actually trail mix has protein and carbs in the nuts and carbs from the dried fruit, so if I were food combining, that would be something I couldn't eat.