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Old 03-25-2007, 12:35 PM   #16  
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I started my Atkins plan on June 24th , 2005 and reached my goal on July 5th 2006. I had taken off 89 lbs. I stuck with Atkins for another 6 months of maintenance. I finally switched to Calorie Counting mainly because of stomach problems I was having. My cholesterol had improved greatly. I was wanting more variety in my food choices and something that I felt I could do for a lifetime. The real problem I had with Atkins was finding it impossible to get as much fiber as my body needed without going over on my carb threshold.

For the record, I'll say that I didn't regain wt. like crazy when I made the switch. I've been doing Calorie counting now for about 3 months and maintaining my wt. just fine. The carbs I added with the switch are whole grains and more fruits and veggies, not junk food. I have decreased my meat consumption. As for energy, I believe I had more energy on Atkins. With the lower carb, I was consuming 2100 calories a day and maintaining. Now, with more carbs anything more than 1700 calories a day, I will gain.

Also, I went on Atkins because my Dr. a renowned hepatologist recommended a low-carb WOE for me since I had PCOS and Insulin Resistance. He knew this was the way that I could lose the weight and he was 100% correct. Personally, I think that Many of us here may have problems with fatty liver disease and insulin resistance and not be aware of it. Which, this in turns makes losing wt. even that much more difficult. This of course is just MHO.

As for muscle loss with Atkins, I'm not sure. At least I see muscles now where all I saw before was FAT.

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Sometimes I think controversy crops up when we assume that there is some magical "optimal" diet for all of humanity. Maybe the "holy grail," of diets (and by diet I mean way of eating for life) does exist, but I rather doubt it.

For most of us, we've had to learn (and/or are still learning) what works best for us. For me, over the past several years, I have been researching my health problems (and there are several) and it seemed that nearly every book I read supported a lower carb or whole food approach to eating. Some had research to back up the advice, others were mostly testimonials from patients who found the diets to reduce their symptoms. Talking to the weight loss doctor was just the final push I needed to try eliminating processed carbs, and reducing carbs overall. My attitude was - and still is - to try it and see what happens. So far I'm impressed. I have more energy, more stamina, and less pain, and a lot less water retention (my ankles don't look like balloons anymore).

By Atkins and many other "low carb" standards I am eating "too many" carbs, and by the government food pyramid, I am eating "too few," but it seems to be working wonderfully for me, and is a way of eating I can see myself living with, though I anticipate trial and error tweaking will be a constant part of this.
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I believe many different diets work if you stick to them and do them properly. I think a lot of anti-atkins people haven't even read the book. I dont know how you can even have a resonable opinion about something if you haven't read it. I don't know why you would try to discourage anyone from trying atkins or any other diet. Obviously a lot of people have some big misconseptions about atkins. IMHO if you want to offer an opinion about a diet you should read the book yourself first.
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I agree with kaplods that we each have to find out what works best for us as individuals. Too much of science and medicine is based on statistics, and too many of those statistics are based on white males. Some people can eat more carbohydrates than others--we've all seen that. I have to be really careful about them.

That said, there is such a thing as eating too little carbohydrate. Our brain runs on glucose, and if glucose gets in short supply, the body will break down anything it can to get enough glucose for the brain, including muscle and organs as well as fat. Many people do not use their muscles enough to maintain them and don't eat enough protein, either. Muscle is the primary fat-burning tissue of the body, which is why exercise helps.

Here's a joke about statistics:

Three statisticians went target shooting with bows and arrows. The first one shot at the target, and his arrow went 10 feet to the left. The second shot at the target, and his arrow went 10 feet to the right. The third statistician got all excited and jumped up and down, yelling, "We hit it!"

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Three statisticians went target shooting with bows and arrows. The first one shot at the target, and his arrow went 10 feet to the left. The second shot at the target, and his arrow went 10 feet to the right. The third statistician got all excited and jumped up and down, yelling, "We hit it!"

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I don't believe in restrictive dieting - Canada's Food Guide/Pyramid has been around forever for a good reason. There are good carbs and bad carbs - eating veggies or whole grain toast is healthy. Pop tarts are not. High protein diets can be very hard on the kidneys. Also, the low fibre on these diets wreaks havoc with your digestive system. Cholesterol goes down on Atkins due to weight loss. Lose weight whatever way you want - your cholesterol will go down. But the effects on your cardiovascular system are silent - until you have the massive coronary from atherosclerosis, caused by all the fat and cholesterol you've been eating. I wouldn't trust any diet that says bacon and eggs for breakfast are OK, but a bowl of All Bran isn't. Now that more longer term follow-ups on Atkins have been done, I've noticed a lot more anti-Atkins literature in bookstores and magazines.

As for the dr. endorsing it, remember, Dr. Atkins was a doctor, so of course some dr.'s are going to endorse it. But as Sportsmedjosh said, not all docs have a lot of formal education in nutrition. Talk to a nutritionist instead of a dr. - most of the ones I've seen on TV shows etc. are very anti-low-carb.

That said, that's just my opinion. We're all grown-ups here, people can certainly make their own decisions re: what works for them.
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As for the dr. endorsing it, remember, Dr. Atkins was a doctor, so of course some dr.'s are going to endorse it. But as Sportsmedjosh said, not all docs have a lot of formal education in nutrition. Talk to a nutritionist instead of a dr. - most of the ones I've seen on TV shows etc. are very anti-low-carb.

That said, that's just my opinion. We're all grown-ups here, people can certainly make their own decisions re: what works for them.
I couldn't agree more.
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Im not saying anyone is wrong but I would like to see evidence from a scientific journal(actual tests, not a scientist's theories) that shows that our bodies will even begin to break down muscle and organ tissue until our fat stores are depleted. I have been known a person who completed a 30 day fast and had no change in strength or noticable muscle mass.

As for me, I feel like I could do twice the exercise that I could do only a week ago. and I do plan on adding nuts and veggies and some fruits back into my diet as soon as the two induction weeks are over. I should mention that I am a big guy and this eating plan suits me well and I intend to incorporate it as a lifestyle. yes we do need carbohydrates, but I intend to eat only as many as I need as eliminating them so far has made me feel greater than I have for the past few years.

If you search around the internet and even talk to people around town about atkins you most definately will find great stories of how some people lost many pounds on this diet.

On another note, I have been watching for too much cholesterol and fat. I dont eat processed meat, and I try to keep with chicken, turkey, and fish mostly. I feel that the risks of doing this diet and perhaps risk raising my cholesterol is completely overshadowed by the risk of staying fat and getting diabetes.
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Im not saying anyone is wrong but I would like to see evidence from a scientific journal(actual tests, not a scientist's theories) that shows that our bodies will even begin to break down muscle and organ tissue until our fat stores are depleted. I have been known a person who completed a 30 day fast and had no change in strength or noticable muscle mass.
Feel free to search pubmed also the american college of sports medicine has a great journal that i subscribe to. Also it isn't my theory it's published info from a peer review journal.
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Hey, sportmedjosh, are you trying to lose weight? I notice you haven't listed anything about current weight, weight goals, etc.

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I would like to compliment Noakes et al. on their well-controlled study comparing effects of different diets on body composition and cardiovascular risk [1]. The authors suggested that a very-low-carbohydrate diet (VLCARB) may not be associated with protein-sparing, because their dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA) data indicated that both VLCARB and very-low-fat diet resulted in significantly more loss of lean mass than the high-unsaturated fat diet. It should be noted, however, that DEXA provides a measure of lean soft tissue (LST), and the original notion that LST hydration is constant is not correct. Rather, LST hydration varies as a function of extra- and intracellular water distribution [16]. I feel it is very unlikely that the VLCARB group catabolized more muscle protein than the high-unsatured fat diet group. This commentary provides some basic information on metabolic adaptations that lead to sparing of muscle protein during a VLCARB, and reviews studies examining the effects of VLCARB interventions on body composition.


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Metabolic adaptations in VLCARB A review of studies
How is the preservation of muscle mass brought about during a VLCARB?
Conclusion
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It is frequently claimed that a VLCARB sets the stage for a significant loss of muscle mass as the body recruits amino acids from muscle protein to maintain blood glucose via gluconeogenesis. It is true that animals share the metabolic deficiency of the total (or almost total) inability to convert fatty acids to glucose [18]. Thus, the primary source for a substrate for gluconeogenesis is amino acid, with some help from glycerol from fat tissue triglycerides. However, when the rate of mobilization of fatty acids from fat tissue is accelerated, as, for example, during a VLCARB, the liver produces ketone bodies. The liver cannot utilize ketone bodies and thus, they flow from the liver to extra-hepatic tissues (e.g., brain, muscle) for use as a fuel. Simply stated, ketone body metabolism by the brain displaces glucose utilization and thus spares muscle mass. In other words, the brain derives energy from storage fat during a VLCARB.

Glycolytic cells and tissues (e.g., erythrocytes, renal medulla) will still need some glucose, because they do not have aerobic oxidative capacity and thus cannot use ketone bodies. However, glycolysis in these tissues leads to the release of lactate that is returned to the liver and then reconverted into glucose (the Cori cycle). Energy for this process comes from the increased oxidation of fatty acids in the liver. Thus, glycolytic tissues indirectly also run on energy derived from the fat stores.

The hormonal changes associated with a VLCARB include a reduction in the circulating levels of insulin along with increased levels of glucagon. Insulin has many actions, the most well-known of which is stimulation of glucose and amino acid uptake from the blood to various tissues. This is coupled with stimulation of anabolic processes such as protein, glycogen and fat synthesis. Glucagon has opposing effects, causing the release of glucose from glycogen and stimulation of gluconeogenesis and fat mobilization. Thus, the net stimulus would seem to be for increasing muscle protein breakdown. However, a number of studies indicate that a VLCARB results in body composition changes that favour loss of fat mass and preservation in muscle mass.


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To my knowledge, Benoit et al. published the first systematic study of the effect of a VLCARB on composition of weight loss [2]. They reported that when a 1,000-kcal VLCARB (10 g of carbohydrates/day) was fed for 10 days, seven male subjects lost an average of 600 g/day, of which 97% was fat. As pointed out by Grande [11], however, the energy value of tissue loss reported by Benoit et al. calculates out to be about 7,000 kcal/day, a highly improbable level of energy expenditure. In a study by Yang and Van Itallie [20], effects of starvation, an 800-kcal mixed diet and an 800-kcal VLCARB on the composition of weight lost were determined in each of six obese subjects during three 10-day periods. The results indicated that composition of weight lost during the VLCARB and the mixed diet was water 61.2, fat 35.0, protein 3.8, and water 37.1, fat 59.5, protein 3.4 percent, respectively. Thus, the authors concluded that, over a 10-day period, the energy value of body constituents lost during adherence to an 800-kcal is minimally affected by diet composition. Because of metabolic adaptations to prolonged changes in diet composition, the results of such short-term studies cannot be applied to longer-term situations. Young et al. compared three diets containing the same amounts of calories (1,800 kcal/day) and protein (115 g/day) but differing in carbohydrate content [3]. After nine weeks on the 30-g, 60-g and 104-g carbohydrate diets, weight loss was 16.2, 12.8 and 11.9 kg and fat accounted for 95, 84, and 75% of the weight loss, respectively. Importantly, underwater weighing was used to determine body composition. Although these results should be interpreted cautiously given the low number of subjects, this study strongly suggests that a VLCARB promotes fat loss while preserving muscle mass, supporting the notion that "a calorie is not a calorie" [23-25]. Phinney et al. reported that subjects lost 0.7 kg in the first week of the eucaloric VLCARB, after which their weight remained stable [15]. Thus, they observed a reduction in glycogen stores, but excellent preservation of muscle protein.

More recently, Willi et al. examined the efficacy and metabolic impact of a VLCARB in the treatment of morbidly obese adolescents [4]. Six adolescents weighing an average of 147.8 kg consumed the VLCARB (25 g of carbohydrate/day) for 8 weeks. The results indicated that the weight loss with VLCARB is rapid, consistent, and almost exclusively from body fat stores. Changes in lean body mass, as estimated from DEXA and urinary creatinine, were not significant over the term of treatment. Bioelectrical impedance measurements reflected a greater loss of lean body mass, but changes in total body fluid and electrolyte content, as a result of dietary ketosis, may complicate these measurements.

Volek et al. investigated the effects of a six-week VLCARB on body composition in healthy normal-weight men [5]. Twelve subjects switched from their habitual diet (48% carbohydrates) to a VLCARB (8% percent carbohydrates) for six weeks and eight men served as controls, consuming their normal diet. Although subjects were encouraged to consume adequate dietary energy to maintain body mass during the intervention, the results revealed that fat mass was significantly decreased (-3.4 kg) and lean body mass significantly increased (+1.1 kg) at week six (as measured by DEXA). There were no significant changes in composition in the control group. The authors concluded that a VLCARB resulted in a significant reduction in fat mass and an accompanying increase in lean body mass in normal-weight men. In other words, the entire loss in bodyweight was from body fat. A subsequent study by Volek et al. using a VLCARB during energy-restriction noted a greater decrease in lean body mass in men who consumed a VLCARB than in men won consumed a high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet. However, resting energy expenditure was maintained in men consuming the VLCARB but decreased on the high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet, strongly suggesting that the VLCARB group did not lose muscle mass.

Vazquez and Adibi reported that proteolysis, as measured by leucine turnover rate and urinary excretion of 3-methylhistidine, was not significantly different between isocaloric VLCARB and non-ketogenic diet [17]. However, this study is not relevant to "normal" weight loss diets, because their subjects consumed only 600 kcal and 8 g of nitrogen per day. Such a semi-starvation diet will lead to increased muscle protein catabolism no matter what the subjects eat.

The perception that the VLCARB leads to progressive loss of muscle protein apparently comes from the poorly controlled "Turkey Study" published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1980 [12]. The authors of this study reported that the protein-only diet subjects were losing nitrogen yet gaining potassium. As pointed out by Phinney [13,14], however, potassium and nitrogen losses are closely related, as they are both contained in lean tissue. This anomaly occurred because the authors assumed the potassium intake of their subjects was based upon handbook values for raw turkey, but half of this potassium was being discarded in the unconsumed broth. Deprived of potassium, these subjects were unable to benefit from dietary protein and thus lost muscle mass [14].


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How is the preservation of muscle mass brought about during a VLCARB?
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There are at least four possible mechanisms:


Adrenergic stimulation
The increase in adrenaline may be involved. Low blood sugar is a potent stimulus to adrenaline secretion and it is now clear that skeletal muscle protein mass is also regulated by adrenergic influences. For example, Kadowaki et al. demonstrated that adrenaline directly inhibits proteolysis of skeletal muscle [6].


Ketone bodies
As noted above, the liver produces ketone bodies during a VLCARB and they flow from the liver to extra-hepatic tissues (e.g., brain, muscle) for use as a fuel. In addition, ketone bodies exert a restraining influence on muscle protein breakdown. If the muscle is plentifully supplied with other substrates for oxidation (such as fatty acids and ketone bodies, in this case), then the oxidation of muscle protein-derived amino acids is suppressed. Nair et al. reported that beta-hydroxybutyrate (beta-OHB, a major ketone body) decreases leucine oxidation and promotes protein synthesis in humans [7]. Although blood concentrations of beta-OHB in their subjects during the infusion of beta-OHB were much lower than concentrations observed in humans during fasting, leucine incorporation into skeletal muscle showed a significant increase (5 to 17%).


Growth hormone (GH)
GH has a major role in regulating growth and development. GH is a protein anabolic hormone and it stimulates muscle protein synthesis. As low blood sugar increases GH secretions, one could speculate that a VLCARB increases GH levels. However, Harber et al. reported that GH secretion was unchanged with 7-day VLCARB/high-protein diet [8]. Interestingly, they also observed that skeletal muscle expression of IGF-I mRNA increased about 2-fold. A plausible explanation for the increased expression of IGF-I in muscle is the increased availability of dietary protein.


Dietary protein
A VLCARB is almost always relatively high in protein. There is evidence that high protein intake increases protein synthesis by increasing systemic amino acid availability [21], which is a potent stimulus of muscle protein synthesis [22]. During weight loss, higher protein intake reduces loss of muscle mass and increases loss of body fat [9]. It has been proposed that the branched-chain amino acid leucine interacts with the insulin signaling pathway to stimulate downstream control of protein synthesis, resulting in maintenance of muscle mass during periods of restricted energy intake [10]. A recent study by Harber et al. reported that a VLCARB/high-protein diet increases skeletal muscle protein synthesis despite a dramatic reduction in insulin levels [8].


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Although more long-term studies are needed before a firm conclusion can be drawn, it appears, from most literature studied, that a VLCARB is, if anything, protective against muscle protein catabolism during energy restriction, provided that it contains adequate amounts of protein.


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if you skim through the above posting from pubmed you will find that low carb has no effect on muscle mass.
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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...&artid=1373635 or you can go here
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Hey, sportmedjosh, are you trying to lose weight? I notice you haven't listed anything about current weight, weight goals, etc.

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I'm looking to get down to about 6% bf

also regarding the study DEXA i would question in to why hydrostaic weighting was not used as it's what most researching have determined to be the most accurate way of conducting bf measurements. Also another thing to look at is this is not first hand account research but rather a survey from other people research putting it a couple steps back from truth.
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I believe you are in danger of becoming just another person who would argue that the earth is flat.
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