I have edited my list to reflect SKID marks.. the mention of which got a heh heh chuckle from DH. Therefore, it appears that SKID is indeed the appropriate term.
KIWI, I have checked the logs !!! You are senile!!!! No post appears to be deleted, altered or otherwise in 3fc land!!!! maybe the bloody server went down and it went into cyberspace?????

YES YES the spinachy "Roud Load" a dat dare Bread loafy thingie... WABBY, darlink : a MUST!!!!!! I unfortunately perhaps due to my barreness, or being to toooooo many baby showers Loathe them (sorry wabby) as do I detest bridal showers.. of course when I am the aunt, the matron of honor etc I think it is the EVENT of the YEAR!!!!! As a mundane guest I am obnoxious..as I make rude comments under my breath and rate gifts like olympic events.

Yea dat kiwi she gots sumethin wroing inda heaaaad wit dem froiiiideian slippage!!! KIWI ... ANTS ANTS !!!!!! Noooooooo!!! I say seal the house up.. throw a pesticide grenade in and live on the Sail boat!!!!!!


I will add cleaning supplies motorized or otherwise to my next list of mutterings (I can't spell rhemations? ruminatings???? WHAT!!!! )

Hey y'all.

I will talk about trip later. Tomorrow. Not now. Beautiful school. Expensive. Scary.

I have to say this thing and I'm not mad but can you all please leave comments at my blog BUT only stuff I mention there. Not stuff I say here and not there. Shotsy's mention of my trip reminded me to say this. It's not a big deal there, of course, but in general I want to keep the 2 separate and I DO NOT want people who know me there to find me here@!!!!!!!!!

Leading a double life, are you? JK, I know exactly what you're talking about.

I want to know what school this is and why it's scary. Did DS apply there already? Did you finish all your financial aid paperwork and do you know what the "expected family contribution" is? Not that I'm asking what it is, but the one we came up was so tiny it was laughable. I can only hope the schools don't think it's laughable and give her lots of aid.

Did I tell you DD got an Elks' scholarship? She jumped through all the right hoops apparently. It goes on to the state competition now.

I'm very tired from shopping at Lands End. Must go.

Kiwi

school was not scary and if there'll notify about financial stuff later AFTER they notify if he's accepted.

The traffic was scary. Thinking of DS there in his little Metro is scary. The fact that he may be willing to throw away hard-earned opportunities because of this girl is scary. The fact that he asked if could go back on a weekend, rent a motel, and VISIT HER is scary.

I will email you the school name just in case.

Elks state competition? Wow. Can she sing to win???

Well, she sent a cd with her application tome, so who knows?

She's singing this afternoon at the district honors choir concert. They practice all day Friday and half the day Saturday with kids from all over the area and then do the concert thing this afternoon. Must go shower so I can sit on bleachers mashed in with a thousand sweaty parents.

Kiwi

Really this is the least our kids can do after all we've done for them. Entertain us. Win awards so we can go sit in the audience and be proud. I want more of that.

My class only meets once more and then another starts. I had to do a group project in this one. Group projects are the pits, aren't they? Starts off with these other 2 women, one of whom is a leader type who takes control. I needed this, I admit. But both of them ignored my emails suggesting things we could do for the project. They knew I had to take DS on the trip and we were to meet at 11 today before the 12:30 class. I got there at 11. They got there at 10 and made a poster. Sooooooooooooo I tell them I wish I 'd known they were meeting at 10 so I could come help. No, they say, we knew you'd be tired, besides we only had 2 pair of scissors.

Whatever grade one of us gets, we all get. Wouldn't you think they'd be a little more interested in my participation.

But we all graded each other in class and we got high marks. Miss Leader kept saying in her part of the presentation, "I put this together. I made these. I have this for you..." Very annoying isn't it? But we got high marks and I felt good about my part so it's over.

Yay.

That is annoying. Glad it's over. I don't remember doing group projects. Well, except for the H.S. English class when we were studying F. Scott Fitzgerald and my best friend and I made a "yellow Rolls Royce" out of a go-cart and drove it into the classroom.

I had a gyro for dinner and it was so full of onions I can't stand my own breath.

The concert was lovely. Unfortunately one of the kids from our h.s. got sick and spent the whole day lying on the floor of a classroom on his classmates' blankets and coats, puking in the trashcan. Finally when his parents came to see the concert, they took him home. Poor kid. He's supposed to go with us to see Billy Joel in Boston on Monday. Probably he'll fine by then, but I just hope nobody else gets it. These kids are thick as thieves, they're liable to pass an illness all the way round the group. :barf:

Later gators.

Kiwi

that barfing smiley face makes me want to ralph-------------peachers--those browners sound like they are in grade six--------------glad you got high marks but what SUCK ups!!!!-----------kiwi ---i am jealous of your billy joel trip-=---have a ballllllllll---take some pics----i havn't seen anyone since "Simple Plan" with ds in december!@!! i miss BRuce and James!!

My dear, I am not going to see Billy Joel. I am just helping to drive 8 kids to see him! This is the ticket fiasco I mentioned a while back. DH said this evening on our way back from the kids' concert -- " well I hope if any of the kids get sick and can't go, 4 of them get sick, so all the adults can go " Mean, huh? Don't think I wasn't thinking the same thing...

i can't imagine all that age group wanting to see him and all the fogies not able to go???? is that what happened with the tickets??were you supposed to go?? don't mind me----------remember---of all the things i've lost,i miss my mind the most.

Oh don't worry, I don't remember anything either. Yeah, we were all supposed to go, 8 kids and 5 adults. The person who bought the tickets didn't realize they were serious about the 8 ticket limit, and when the site allowed her to go ahead and purchase 5 more, she figured it was okay. When the tickets came in the mail, they informed her that the other 5 tickets were pulled, so of course it was too late by then to get anymore for the same show. We are still speaking to her, which should tell you how very mature we all are... I thought it was funny that the kids were so hot to see Billy Joel too. But last year in show choir they performed a medley of Billy Joel songs and these were the kids involved. 3 of them were the award winning rhythm section (DD's bf was the piano player), DD and 2 others had solos and the rest sang and danced in it too. So I suppose they have a special interest. :dizzy:

I've got to scout out some activities and restaurants in Boston for tomorrow.

And then I have to take my poor little puppy to the vet for boarding. When she comes home she will be a neuter, poor dear. She has no idea. I bought her a ball for outdoors yesterday. She punctured it already :rolleyes: Apparently it wasn't big enough or inflated enough. I'll have to wait until they put out the summer toys and get her a big one that hopefully she can't get her big mouth around...

Kiwi

Cowpernia, I deleted my post. Sorry

Kiwi, I'm watching this dog agility show, and your belguim sheepie "Blazer" is kicking tail.

Have fun in Bastin... a fun town with lots to do...

Hey, Shotsy. Really your post wasn't offensive. I'm just trying to say that if I come here and say I have a crush on my mailman, hate a certain book, think the woman at Walmart with the pigtails is stupid ... I wouldn't want that shared on my blog as people I know in real life read that. I can say more here and they don't know I come here .. I hope. (one of my friends owns the book store .. hence the book reference)

Have to mention that I have now seen the Wabby picture. (I have technically savvy friends ... names start with S) Wabbo is WAY WAY CUTE!!! Just adborable and her dh looks like somebody you wouldn't mind spending a lifetime or 2 with.

Now I want to see a picture of Shots. Just a face picture will do. You've seen all us I think.

I will continue talking to myself. My ex just called. He called to talk to DS but DS is at work so ex starts getting chatty with me. His way of chatting is to ask questions and after he quit accepting "Nothing" as the answer, the answer became "It's none of your business." He found THAT offensive. I said he was prying.

But .. I was thinking about this woman on NPR who said that men are more direct except in certain circumstances like apologizing. The other day in Tampa in the busy traffic, a horn blew and a car pulled on the left of us. We were at a light. Another car pulled up on the right, window goes down and a VERY CUTE guy starts yelling, "I said it was an accident b----." He gets out, leaves his door wide open, crosses in front of us and continues this ... apology by saying "I said it was an accident, you c---. I said it was an accident, b----." He was darling and the look on his face was totally innocent. He really thought she should happy to hear this.

No wonder I don't want DS driving down there. "This is road rage," I said, as I made sure the man wasn't walking back to his car while I drove off.

Good grief... I start painting and working on WORK for a change and answering WORK emails and you guys get WAY ahead of me. Hope that Peaches has a great college visit trip, in spite of wacko drivers and son in Metrol. Amazingly enough exH managed in California on a motorcycle for many years, and DS managed in DH's sports car for a whole year, which included a snowy winter.

I'm cranky. Depressive Rant Warning:

Did you see the segment on 60 minutes about D. Voight the opera singer? She got bumped out of Covent Garden for being fat (she's an opera singer... if SHE can't be fat... well, you know). any way she did the gastric bypass thing.

Looking at her fat photos, I thought she was beautiful.
Looking at the "thin" photos, I thought she was fat.

I am afraid that no matter how I lose the weight I want to lose, I'd have the same unhelpful reactions. I'm taller than her, don't wear sizes as big as her biggest.. but... BUT WHAT? Why am I SO scared? of even addressing the issue seriously. One of the good things about this forum is that we don't see each other.... So I can only look at the progress sliders and do the math... and of course, lots of people are cagey and only put short term goals down, rather than top weight and goal weight. I "should" weigh 150 pounds less than I do. I even have insurance that is good enough that I think it would be mostly paid for. DH is supportive either way. I think I'm on the verge of doing this...

My thinking was, that since I could have died from breast cancer, but didn't, I might as well give this a whirl. It feels like jumping off a building with no net, parachute or bunjie cord. It feels suicidal.

I don't want to die. I just want to be graceful, fit and pretty. (Notice that healthy doesn't really come in!!)

Bleah. PM's welcome... not sure I really want to be the center of attention, you know? Why do these opportunities just seem like new ways to hurt myself?

Painty, you're talking possible gastric bypass? Any opinion from a doctor yet? I have a close in-law relative who had it about a year or so ago and she did really well with it. Changed her so much physically -- to be honest, it made her "normal". But I think she is now gaining weight. Maybe it's just temporary.

It's one of those drastic measures--I think it's kind of awesome that it exists and has developed into a pretty safe thing. For the right person it can be THE answer.

I hate to say it, but I am starving. I have to eat something before I go to bed or my stomach will growl all night.

We're getting up bright and early and shoving off, despite storm warnings and hopefully without any sick kids (so far, so good). I have been trying to scope out the parking without much luck. I think we're going to pay an arm and a leg to park in the garage under the Fleet Center for the day. I'm seeing $40, and we have 2 cars. Ridiculous. Anyway, I'm also looking at restaurants and things to do in the afternoon. Got some great ideas.

DD requests her favorite restaurant for lunch: Pesce Blue in Portsmouth, and for dinner after we dump the kids off at the concert: my favorite Italian restaurant. In between, I'm thinking of going to visit the Steinway piano store. DD and the bf already said they'd like to do that. Kids these days, eh?

kiwi

I KNOW BLAZER!!! WELL, NOT PERSONALLY, BUT HE AND HIS OWNER ARE ON MY BELGIAN DOGGIE E-LIST!!! YEE HAW HOW COOL! GO BLAZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i had something to say-----------i forget----well,anyway--kiwonk,i want to know what you ordered to eat at these places----unfortunatly whenever we go to Boston,i never know where to eat and i always pick the wrong place---i can't even pick the right place to eat in Halifax and i go there all the time-----REGARDING PAINTY!!!!--- my friend's sister in law had gastric bypass--YES,she has lost a lot of weight, BUT BUT BUT!!!--- she is one of the ones who has NOT had a grand time of the side effects----she has problems with nausea and elimination----i am not sure of the extent,but the limits on what and how much you can eat with this surgery are extreme---she is almost on ALL liquid diet due to the complications she is having ----now of course she may be an unusual case,but to me it sounds awful----Oprah's magazine this month has a story on a doctor who lost weight---she booked herself for gastric bypass then changed her mind---i think she ended up at a twelve step program that has helped-----anyway---this is my two cents on the issue--------we actually don't talk THAT much about weight loss on our particular thread----there are probably better threads for that,but DON'T leave us!!! just VISIT other threads!!!!! and YES to your beautiful cats!@!! i can't wait til they are cards!!!!!!

You are so funny Bagz!! Of course we don't talk about weight loss. We have kids, dogs, husbands, jobs or lack thereof and butcher's wives to talk about. We are well rounded. I have a well rounded belly for example.

I have a well rounded arse.

Painty, that would be quite a decision to make. Worth investigating, anyway. The health consequences of being overweight is something to consider too. My DD is having such back problems that I've thought of having a discussion with her about the gastric bypass option. She has high bloodpressure at only 25 yrs. old and I just see so many opportunities passing her by because of her weight. I would never pressure her one way or the other, but I think it's something to consider if the benefits outweigh (no pun intended) the risks. Are there any local support groups you could participate in? --- re: the woman who looked beautiful in her befores and not so beautiful in her after photos..... Dr. Phil had a young girl who had undergone GB and had lost 140 of her 270 lbs. I thought she look overweight, but pretty in her befores. Her afters looked anorexic and yet she thought she looked beautiful. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.

I spent all day Sunday nursing a headache. I was robbed of 1/2 my weekend.

Peach, you didn't mention any strolls on the beach during DS's college visit.

Have fun in Boston, Kiwi! Say hi to my DH's relatives.

No strolls on the beach. I kept an eye on DS and GF ... or ... was studying the whole time.

I am a nervous wreck today. What should I do? Have a margie?

Yes Margie time: however, no salt fer cowie...water retention ya know...
Strawberry fer me: Need to get my Fruit in fer the day.

Gastric bypass, or lap band procedures... wow,those are very serious options. Like folks have said, gotta weigh the good and the bad on that kind of commitment. What about a hospital or physician controlled program?

Pernie: sorry no strolls fer ya...I can definitely understand yer angst about DS making a decision based on hormones and sugarplum fairy visions of loooove.. How to handle?

I know there are waiting lists and hoops to jump through. It was just really easy to identify with the opera singer. (Wish I could sing like her, too.)

Kiwi.. hope you had fun in Boston... sorry I missed knowing you were going there. DD lives 1 1/2 blocks from Fleet center and could certainly tell you good places in the North End or near Fanueil Hall, etc. Wish I'd had an adventure today.

Hey!!! Wake up! Where is everybody???

This is my dilemma for the day----

There's a kooky old guy who keeps coming into our business. He tells me he wants us to work on his restaurant entrance doors. The thing is I don't think he actually owns this restaurant. He also tells me that he owns the World Bank, that he is personal friends with George Bush and Alan Greenspan. Actually he said he is related to the Bush family. He also claims to own several resort hotels. He said he owns all the oil in the world, but it's been hard to get it out of the middle east because of the war. He also owns a large share of Disney. I just humor him when he's telling me all this stuff, but he's way creepy and kinda scares me. I just write up a work order like we really intend to go work on this building, but of course we don't because this guy is obviously unbalanced. Do you think he's harmless? What do you think I should do? nothing? call the police and ask them if they've had problems with him?

Well, this cow was sleeping.
 

Hi!! I'm back!! What a day! We left at 8:00 am, had lunch at that Pesce Blue restaurant on the way to Boston, got to the parking garage for the concert at about 3:00, and then I took everyone on a mini-tour. It's funny how I'm always the one who says okay let's do this and come on let's go. Apparently I am just bossy enough. We had DD's bf's parents with us and they were happy to go wherever I suggested, and the kids were actually surprisingly amenable to it as well, considering that it was 8 17-18-year-olds. None of them had ever been on a subway before (except DD, DH and I) and several of the kids had never been to Boston. So I took them on the subway, got out at Boston Common (it was really foggy so the park wasn't much of an attraction), walked them past Emerson College where DD has applied to go and piled them all into the Steinway piano store. That place could have been a little intimidating and they would never have gone in there without bossy Kiwi, so I'm really glad I did. There was a very nice young salesman there who had time to talk to us and we made DD'sBF sit down and play several of the Steinways. He was blown away and his parents were a little misty (he's really an amazing pianist) and we got a bunch of pictures.

So that was cool. Then we walked downtown to the shopping area and the kids picked up some dinner at a food court, and us parental types went to Filene's Basement and whiled away half an hour going "holy crap look at all this stuff!" then we took the subway back to the Fleet center, the kids went to the concert and the 4 of us took a cab over to the restaurant. We had an unbelievable dinner there. You have to go there, Bagz, sometime when you're in Boston. It's called Giacomo's, the one I linked to the other day. The calamari is about the best I've ever had and the special raviolis are the thing that really knock my socks off. We had lobster ravioli and butternut squash ravioli, both amazing. The restaurant is pretty small and you have to wait outdoors for a table (it was misting the whole time, but so what, huh). The waitresses are the kind of loud bossy types but nice and attentive. They don't serve dessert (not that we needed any), so we took a walk in the North End there which is very cool. Maybe I'll post a few pictures later. Then we declared we had walked off enough dinner to go to the Italian pastry shop (well, wishful thinking anyway -- we were totally stuffed, but we didn't let that stop us). We had lattes which were served with a swizzle stick of rock candy, which is perfect for twirling around in the foam and licking off, and canolis and cake. Then we headed back to the parking garage and had about an hour to kick back and try to take a nap before the long drive home.

The kids had an absolute blast at the concert. It seems that William M. Joel's still got it!! They all got t-shirts and stuff. We got lost getting out of Boston :rolleyes: and had to drive through mist and snow all the way through Maine. Got home about 6 am or so. Just before sunup. DD got up and went to her math class today. Ahem, that is the last class of the day... Oh well, the trip was well worth it. Basically 24 hours with no sleep, but I've abused my body worse other times.

Wabbit, your inlaw relatives say hi. That's okay, Painty, we had the visit pretty well scoped out, although I'm always interested to hear recommendations, especially from people who live there.

And Jet is doing well, awake from the surgery and all groggy apparently. I can't go get her until tomorrow. The timing was very good, as I got to just sleep today without having to get up with her or anything.

And how was your day?

What are you nervous about, Peachie? How can I advise on choice of beverage when I don't know the subject matter?

Kiwi

Hi Wabbit! I think there's one of those in every town. Have you asked anyone you know on the same street if they have visits from this guy? Chances are he's harmless, but what an annoyance!

Wabby, do you know any policemen? I'd want to talk to them if I had to be alone with him so regularly.

Kiwi, YAY for you!! You sound so cheery.

Kiwi again, I don't know what I'm nervous about especially. Motherhood is a bit trying these days.

Kiwi butted in front of me in line.

So ... I just had a mom-to-mom chat with the director of ds's school. LCP is very smart, is aloof and has been rude to teachers. By rude, we mean bad language. Like she doesn't know how to act appropriately. Loner. Like DS.

My problem is he talked to his mentor who has little kids, not teens, and mentor sees no reason he shouldn't drive his metor 7 hours way, rent a motel and visit this girl who has no curfew. It's no easy job being a mom. When I insist on NO, will he:

1. Go anyway.

2. Make my life miserable.

Plus, LOTS of people have stories about kids who follow someone to a college and end up miserable a few months later. Director knows one who dropped out of school. I can't stand it. !!!!!! (insert smiley face pulling out hair)

Kiwi, sounds like much fun was had by all! Giacomos sounds yummalish.. and so does swizzling rock candy in Lattes and eating pastry... I hope Jet will bounce back quick..

Wabby: yeah, I would ask the Pole leece about this guy.. I agree with Kiwi, he's probably a harmless old eccentric :shrug:

Pernie: I think Mentor needs a chat.. If he is in an advisory capacity he should be more mindful and respectful of the parents. Even if it was said in an off the cuff way. Is this a school DS would have considered regardless of GF? DS will probably pout and sulk but that's an awful long ride, and very far from home and a looong time to be unsupervised...

I am bummed. I got tickets fer DH and I to see Larry, the cable guy ( a comic) for our birthdays. He starts his new job on the 6th, but they are actually flying him out to Austin for 2 weeks, then a weekend home..then fly him out for another week... so we won't be able to go... but more importantly he will be away for 3 weeks.. I'm going to miss him..sniff... sooooo, I think maybe I'll pack up the furkids and take a drive to NJ to visit with friends and MIL..and then up to PA to spend a week with my DF ....

Peach, it is so not fun being the mom of a love sick teenager. How much longer until he turns 18? Hard as it may seem, you're going to be forced into giving up some control. Just hang in there, if you've taught him well, then he'll be ok. :hug:

Schatzie, sorry you're going to miss Larry the Cable Guy. Some friends want us to go see him when he comes to our town this spring. Sounds like you have a good plan while the DH is gone. Nothing like a road trip to perk you up. Right, Kiwonker?

The kooky guy looks just like the preacher on the movie Poltergeist. Do you remember him? Tall, lanky and skeletal looking. Eeep.

Just don't see that giving up control is the same as letting him do something I'm totalllly against and which puts him in danger. He's not 18 yet. Still under my authority as far I know. It's just when people say that .. have to let do what he wants as he is or will an adult .. it makes me feel like I'm totally inconsiderate of his feelings and desires. I took him to her college for Pete's sake. I fetched her to bring over her for a visit before she left. I have been supportive. But he does not have the experience driving a vehicle to safely go 7 hours away. He laughs at me when I say that. I sure do feel alone here.

Shots, I just saw your post. The director offered to talk to him but it'll Monday. I just have to put it off .. that's her advice.

Poor Peachy, I don't mean that you should just give up control.... or that control is a bad thing. Believe me, I still exert a bit of control over my chilluns, I just have to do it w/ guilt. I don't like to admit it, but I'm not above using guilt when I know it's for their own good. Is it the drive that scares you or the totally unsupervised motel room situation? or both? If it's just the drive, how about a bus ticket? if it's the totally unsupervised situation, that might be harder to solve.

If you want to see what the kooky man looks like - I mean exactly looks like google images Julian Beck. He even wears a hat just like the guy in Poltergeist II.

poor Julian, he was CARRRREEEEEEPY lookin... He was terminal ill and died shortly after the movie..

well, that's my trivia contribution fer the week.

Guaranteed...Unfortunately, true. You always hope that their education is important enough to them that they can make the right decisions, but they are being pulled in different directions. It would help if the gf could be a little bit objective about it, but it doesn't sound like she is the type to listen to you. DD's bf is very supportive of her desire to get a big city education, even though he is planning to go to a Maine school, and I think that is helping her keep focussed (although we shall see).

Schatzi, bummer about the comedian tix and DH being away. But road trip, excellent idea. Speaking of road trips, are you coming to visit me at the beach this summer?Ain't dat the truth!!

Which of course brings us full circle -- under 18-year-olds should not be going on road trips all alone to go stay in motels!! Do her parents (aunts? whoever) know that he wants to do this -- would they be all right with such plans?? (Although granted they sound a little dysfunctional) As a parent of a girl, I have to say that if the same situation came up with DD after she was in college, I would probably feel there was nothing I could do about it. However while she is still living at home and under 18 and still in h.s., that will not happen in any form. I believe DS just has to learn to accept that he is still your kid and that means something.

In my mind there is a great big line of demarcation between still in high school and off to college. If they can't cope with independence after that point they will be in trouble, but before then you are still in charge. And it's one of those not fair, maybe not even logical, things that kids just have to live with.

That said, get this (maybe you should avert your eyes, Peachie): one of dd's friends (ahem, the one you've met, Peaches) flew to L.A. over Christmas vacation by herself to visit her BF who is in school there. She stayed with him. She also paid for the trip herself by working her butt off at the local grocery store. Neither of them had any money to speak of while she was there, but they had a great time anyway. Her parents are very good people, but very lenient.

Who is this mentor, anyway? Not the person you called LCP is it? I may be confused.

Here's a weird thing: that name Julian Beck rang a very loud bell for me. Here's why. That is the name of the character that our friend John plays occasionally on Law and Order.

I've been on here too long.

Kiwi

oh my bejeezers i would be freakin out over this situation miss cowpern!!! when the girls were in grade twelve ,like your boy is there is no question that i would have said-----I AM SORRY BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS---- I KNOW THAT YOU ARE MAD AND YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE BLAZES YOU WANT ONCE YOU ARE OUT OF HERE,BUT YOU ARE NOT YET OUT OF HERE,AND YOU WILL HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ME-----I AM A WORRIER AND I JUST CAN'T TAKE IT!!!!---- now of course they do whatever they like and i can't stop it----when dd was driving to TORONTO last fall,i nearly freaked out---she did alot of the driving and i was SICK about it-----nothing i could do----BUT!!!!!! there is no way she would have been driving to Boston {same distance as your place to the college} IN GRADE TWELVE-------------i was freaking out about the unsupervised nature of prom night !!!!! SOOOOOOOOO====whether iT works or not,no matter how freakin mad he gets,i would still say NO!!!!!!! ----AND LOTS OF PEOPLE WOULD THINK I AM A CRAZY OLE B!#TC#!!!