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Old 04-08-2005, 07:22 AM   #1  
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Question Question about Resistance Training . .

Hi all:

I'm trying to get back into resistance training (had done a good job while my husband was deployed to Iraq for 6 months about a year ago, but since then I dropped the gym membership and just never got back into my home routine). I've been reading some info that I find confusing. I had alway heard that to tone muscles, one should use lighter weights and many repetitions, but to bulk up the better choice is heavier weights and fewer reps. The Body for Life approach seems to advocate starting with low weight/high reps and working up to heavy weight/fewer reps -- all in one session. I just want to tighten (everything, but particularly my giggle arms!), build strenth and endurance, and regain enough mass to burn some calories. What would be the best approach? I've got a cheap total gym and some free weights, but would be willing to buy more equipment if I need it.

I've recently put on 14 very stubborn pounds (after maintaining an almost 50lb loss for about 19 years -- except when pregnant!), and at 43 I'm finding they just don't want to budge. I'm trying WW, but I know I've got to work on muscle tone and mass at the same time -- I'm just not sure how to best go about it. Any and all advice would be greatlly appreciated! Thanks in advance.
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Old 04-08-2005, 08:29 AM   #2  
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Hi Linda and welcome to 3FC! Congratulations on maintaining your weight loss for so many years – that’s awesome!

Boy, do I hear you on how hard it is to get rid of the pounds once we’re in our 40s (and beyond). What seems to work best is a three-part strategy of nutrition, cardio, and weightlifting. I know you said you’re doing WW, so if you spend your Points wisely on lean proteins, good carbs, good fats, and stay away from sugar and processed diet junk food, you should have nutrition covered. Are you doing any cardio? That’s essential for burning calories. Running, walking, swimming, biking, elliptical or crosstrainer (if you have access to them) ... any of these will get your heart rate elevated and help you create a calorie deficit.

Finally, about the weights – good for you for recognizing how important resistance training is for weight loss! About the ‘toning’ versus ‘bulking’ – honestly, there’s only muscle building. You’re either building muscle or not - it doesn’t come in different flavors, like ice cream. We women aren’t ever going to be able to build big bulky muscles like the guys because we just don’t have the hormones for it (unless you take steroids like the pro women bodybuilders do and that’s why they have that freaky big look ).

Having said that, there ARE different ways to train and some ways are designed to maximize muscle growth. If you ONLY lifted very heavy weights for very few reps (like 4 – 8), you’d be training for muscle growth. But BFL uses a different sort of plan. It's a common kind of pyramid scheme, where you start with sets at low weights and do high reps and then drop the reps as you increase the weight. It’s not going to bulk you up or make you too big. I think it’s an excellent way to achieve your goals of tightening, building strength and endurance, and building up your lean body mass.

I typically use the same kind of lifting scheme when I’m working out: a warm-up set with lower weights, and then gradually increasing the weight with fewer reps each set. I try to go to failure on most of my sets. It’s not as formal as the BFL plan, but it’s the same general idea.

Some women make the mistake of lifting too light because they’re afraid of getting too big. So they do tons of reps at low weights, which really doesn’t do much of anything for your muscles except perhaps build a little endurance. You need to challenge your muscles with heavy weights in order for them to grow (and growing muscles is a good thing!).

In my own experience, lifting as heavy as possible has only made me smaller, not bigger. I’m a personal trainer and just about every woman who I talk to in the gym is worried that she’s going to bulk up. So my usual response is to ask them if I look bulky (I’m size 4 so I hope not! ) and then tell them that I can leg press 500#. That usually convinces them that lifting heavy won’t make you too big! Mel – another moderator here at 3FC – is one of the strongest and tiniest women you’ll ever meet. She can out lift many men but keeps getting smaller and smaller (I think she's just faaaaading away ... ) Karen (MrsJim) – another mod – weights between 145 and 150 (down 115 pounds) and is a stunning size 4 due to lifting heavy weights. Here's a recent photo she posted:



And I don’t mean to neglect the others – there are many more success stories here of women who have gotten smaller and tighter due to lifting heavy weights. So please don't worry about getting too big - it's not gonna happen!

We have a forum here at 3FC called Ladies Who Lift (LWL), right below this forum, and there’s a ton of good info there in a ‘sticky’ thread called Basic Bodybuilding Information that you might want to check out.

Best of luck to you! It sounds like you’ve got a great plan for success.
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Old 04-08-2005, 02:08 PM   #3  
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Hi Linda welcome to 3FC,

Do NOT worry about getting ''bulky''... if you are feeling bulky, IMHO, it's because there is still a layer of fat on top of the muscle, that's what you have to get rid of...

Here is a quote from L2L's husband , she used to come to the forum quite often but I think has gotten too busy these days to post but I hope she's still lurking .... When she first met her husband at the gym as a trainer she too was worried about the bulking thing, he said to her:

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"Don't you think if it was easy to get too muscular, that it would be even easier to just get toned? So why isn't everyone at least toned if it is so easy to get too muscular?"

Isn't that the truth!!

Check out also the picture of fat vs. muscle in my siggie... It's worth a thousand words...

Don't be shy to join us at the Ladies Who Lift forum... we have a great time!
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Old 04-09-2005, 01:24 PM   #4  
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Meg and Ilene:

Thanks so much for your replies. I knew I had found a great place for advice and encouragement!

Meg, as far as my overall routine goes, I'm doing my best to incorporate cardio at least 5 times a week (usually recumbant bicyle -- because of an old back injury -- or walking, but I hope to get back on the Nordic Trak soon!). My nutrition has focused on lean protein and good carbs since the late '80s -- which in some way makes it more frustrating as I try to lose weight. My husband has plenty of processed foods and junk he can "give up" and just drop pounds; since I don't eat refined carbs (except as a treat), etc., it leaves me little to drop. Oh, well -- I'm really focusing on portion sizes now.

Ilene, thanks for pointing me to the picture of fat vs. muscle. WOW -- I knew about the ratio, but seeing the difference between one pound of fat vs. muscle is so much more impactly. I'd love an 8x10 glossy to put on the fridge!

Well, I'm planning to get on the bicylce soon, so while I'm writing I thought I'd ask another quick question. Ideally, I'd like to do cardio every day, and do upper body lifting on alternate days with lower body work. However, when I bicyle I try to do so at a level that not only increases my heart rate, but also taxes my muscles (not to failure, though). I'm often a little sore the next day, just from that. So my question is, since I know you're supposed to rest muscles at least one day between sessions, is the fact that I'm really doing leg work every day because of the cycling going to affect the way my muscles recover? Am I slowing down my progress by pushing my legs a bit every day and not really giving them the 100% recovery time suggested?

Thanks again for the help, and I'll be checking out that other forum as soon as things settle down here tonight (softball just started, so between that and the mandatory 2-3 runs to Home Depot I seem to have to make on Sat., things are a bit hectic).

Have a great Sat.!
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Old 04-09-2005, 01:28 PM   #5  
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Hi Meg:

Thank you , thank you! I'd write more here, but as a newbie poster who really didn't understand how this great "black box" of technology works, I replied to both you and Ilene in one post after reading her message (it was the second of the two). I just noticed that it got posted only as a reply to her, though. Now I know, but I don't know how to re-post that as a reply to you as well. So, you'll find my original reply to your post listed as a reply to Meg. Sorry (for the error and for this rambling message!).

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Old 04-09-2005, 04:49 PM   #6  
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Hi Linda
Posts just appear as the next in the thread or discussion, not as a reply to a specific individual's post (I think). Generally, lots of people read them anyway, and anybody with an answer will jump in.

Contrary to what Meg thinks, I'm not fading away, but I am quite strong, and a nice tight size four from heavy lifting. Meg and I are both personal trainers, so I'll give my answer to your question and she can chime in if she disagrees. I think that if you are working to failure and doing cardio with enough resistence to make your legs sore, alternating lower body and upper body every other day is too much. I would leave 3-4 days between leg workouts, until the soreness from the previous workout has pretty much gone away. You aren't slowing down your fat loss progress, but you are slowing your muscle building and putting yourself in danger of overuse injuries and overtraining. Overtraining will gradually stop any progress, and you'll end up feeling just too tired, sore, and burned out to continue your program.

With 5 day a week ardio, I'd suggest a routine that looks more like:
Lower Body
Chest, triceps, shoulders
Back, biceps, abs
REST
repeat

or
Lower Body
Chest, Back, abs
biceps, triceps, shoulders
REST
repeat

There are all sorts of ways to split up your workout, but the rest and recuperation time is important for muscle growth.

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