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I'm posting this from another forum on here because I think this is well said and something we all should read. It made me cry!! But it also made me think...and realize I am on the right track and YOU can be too if you aren't already.
22 Reasons You Might Be Fat...Forever
1. You are still looking for a quick and easy solution to weight loss.
2. You think that diet and exercise are the only essential factors involved in weight loss.
3. You have not identified the psychological reasons that drive your eating patterns.
4. You have not learned to manage or heal the psychological reasons that drive your eating patterns.
5. You have a fear of or resistance to growing up and becoming a full adult.
6. You use food as a reward or a treat after any or all stressful events.
7. You think you can lose weight without making exercise a regular part of your day, every day.
8. You think you can lose weight by doing it “your way.”
9. You expect to lose weight without making significant lifestyle changes.
10. You refuse to learn to become a good receiver as well as a good giver.
11. You have never learned to be effectively and appropriately assertive.
12. You have not learned to express your anger in a healthy, honest fashion.
13. You have not learned to be self-nurturing except with food.
14. You are excessively self-critical.
15. You refuse to take responsibility for your life.
16. You resist learning to love yourself.
17. You resist learning to love your body before it is thin.
18. You have not faced your inner fears of being thin.
19. You are certain that spirituality (a connection to a force greater than you) is irrelevant to weight loss.
20. You think you can lose significant weight without the support of others.
21. You have deep emotional wounds that you refuse to explore and heal.
22. You are not prepared to have weight be an issue that you will have to face each and every day for the rest of your life.
OK, now you have some incredibly important information about yourself and the things that are blocking your weight loss. You now have a choice. You can get depressed and go into avoidance or denial, or you can choose to make a renewed and informed commitment to your growth and well-being. The decision you make could change your life and your body for good!
And what if none of that is the reason? And you have made major life-style changes, and you DO exercise, and you DO take responsibility?
I find that list INCREDIBLY offensive!
I must admit, some of this stuff makes sense to me, and some doesn't.
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1. You are still looking for a quick and easy solution to weight loss.
Very true. It takes time, and a lot of hard work.
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8. You think you can lose weight by doing it “your way.”
I don't know about that. I've lost the weight "my way" incorporating a lot of ideas from a lot of sources, and not through any commercial diet plan. To me it seems obvious that any plan has to be customized to the meet the needs of the individual.
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19. You are certain that spirituality (a connection to a force greater than you) is irrelevant to weight loss.
Some people, such as atheists, might find that quite off-putting.
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7. You think you can lose weight without making exercise a regular part of your day, every day.
Absolutely! I can get right behind that statement!
And what if none of that is the reason? And you have made major life-style changes, and you DO exercise, and you DO take responsibility?
I find that list INCREDIBLY offensive!
I didn't write it. I believe Dr. Phil did. I just wanted to share it. I didn't mean for it to offend anyone. Also it doesn't mean it applies to everyone...we're all different people..so different methods/ways for different people.
I didn't write it. I believe Dr. Phil did. I just wanted to share it. I didn't mean for it to offend anyone. Also it doesn't mean it applies to everyone...we're all different people..so different methods/ways for different people.
I guess that answers that question. I've never been a Dr. Phil fan... and this list is one of the reasons. I really feel that I have taken control of my life in the last 5 years. I know that prior to that I was in "denial" that I had a medical problem, and blamed the whole weight gain thing on myself. I couldn't imagine why all of a sudden I had gained so much weight. I wouldn't talk to or ask any medical professionals beyond standard telling them, "well, I do have an irregular cycle", and having most of them tell me that this was perfectly normally in people who had started having cycles in late teens (I was 16). And that if I just lost some weight, I'd be much better.
It wasn't until I moved to Northern VA in 2000 that I had a physician ask me if I had ever heard of PCOS (which turned out to be not what I have, though I have all the symptoms, they're relcutant to diagnose that because a lot of my blood results are really higher than anything my endocrinologist has seen). Then it was another 6 months before I found my current endo... and after starting to see her, it was another 2.5 years before I could honestly say that I had really lost ANY weight.
And now that I'm finally losing some weight... it hurts to read things like this. I made the major lifestyle changes when I started seeing the endo... lowering the carbs I ate, giving up soda, drinking lots more water, doing a lot of exercise...
I made the major lifestyle changes when I started seeing the endo... lowering the carbs I ate, giving up soda, drinking lots more water, doing a lot of exercise...
This is the same thing I did...plus I made mental life style changes...I weeded out toxic people and situations...one of the best things I ever did!! Alot of these were "Oh yourrrrrrrrr so FAT Angel..you could eat a " critics... Well..now they are gone gone gone and I couldn't be happier. Don't miss them a bit. The song "How do you like me now" comes to mind...shall I ever run into them again.
I weeded out toxic people and situations...one of the best things I ever did!!
Yea. At the moment, I'm inclined to think my whole life is just toxic. It hasn't been a good week. I'm inclined to think its hormonally related since its coming up on my week off the one set of medications and the contraceptives... but I don't remember it being this upsetting before.
I'm not usually so irritable and wanting to cry all the time. That's really unusual for me. And I'm tired.
Before you say it, it is physically impossible for me to be pregnant. I think its more related to two people I thought were friends dumping me when I needed help, getting a cast on my leg and not being able to go to the gym, and my best friend finding out she's pregnant with her first child. That last one seems to have just sent me over the top. I don't know why.
Ugh..Sounds like my month so far...April has just sucked for me too...blah!!
What contraceptives do they have you on?? When they had me on Yasmin...UGH..I was a freaking emotional basketcase!!! All you had to do was tap me and I was pissed/crying/freaking out. I wonder if there's something in contraceptives that makes us to that?? Then when we take the week off it gets off balance hormonal wize again and then come the emotional roller coasters again...never ending battle it seems sometimes.
As for those two "friends"...well...sounds like you don't need them in your life. Just remember you can always come here for support. I know it isn't the same as being there in person, but...it helps. You can message me too if ya dont see me on..I usually have yahell or AIM on.
**hugs** hang in there...It can't always go bad...
Ugh..Sounds like my month so far...April has just sucked for me too...blah!!
What contraceptives do they have you on?? When they had me on Yasmin...UGH..I was a freaking emotional basketcase!!! All you had to do was tap me and I was pissed/crying/freaking out. I wonder if there's something in contraceptives that makes us to that?? Then when we take the week off it gets off balance hormonal wize again and then come the emotional roller coasters again...never ending battle it seems sometimes.
I've been taking Aviane/Alesse for over a year now, almost 2 years on a regular basis... Its never really affected me like this before. They added spironolactone (by itself) in February... I was taking aldactazide which is the spiro with something else, but that made me really sick. So my primary care doctor changed it...
As for those two "friends"...well...sounds like you don't need them in your life. Just remember you can always come here for support. I know it isn't the same as being there in person, but...it helps. You can message me too if ya dont see me on..I usually have yahell or AIM on.
Its just been harder: I was counting on them to help with grocery shopping since with the cast on my leg its really hard to do. The hardest part isn't the shopping (though I tend to lose my balance a lot lately!), but getting the stuff in from my car!
**hugs** hang in there...It can't always go bad...[/QUOTE]
One of the things I've been wanting to learn about is PCOS. Since I was up early, I stopped by your forum to get educated when I saw this thread about the "22 Reasons."
It was orignally posted in the forum discussing Dr. Phil's book, The Ultimate Weight Loss Challenge, but was *not* written by Dr. Phil. The last paragraph of the post was left off which reads:
Matthew Anderson, D. Min., is a counselor, organizational consultant, seminar leader and the author of books and tapes that can help you overcome your obstacles to well-being.
From the context of the 22 reasons, I gathered it was not intended for people with real medical conditions.
One of the things I've been wanting to learn about is PCOS. Since I was up early, I stopped by your forum to get educated when I saw this thread about the "22 Reasons."
It was orignally posted in the forum discussing Dr. Phil's book, The Ultimate Weight Loss Challenge, but was *not* written by Dr. Phil. The last paragraph of the post was left off which reads:
Matthew Anderson, D. Min., is a counselor, organizational consultant, seminar leader and the author of books and tapes that can help you overcome your obstacles to well-being.
From the context of the 22 reasons, I gathered it was not intended for people with real medical conditions.
dip
Dip... I wasn't 100% sure it was Dr. Phil but I remembered something about it being connected to Dr. Phil. I appreciate the correction.
Matthew Anderson, D. Min., is a counselor, organizational consultant, seminar leader and the author of books and tapes that can help you overcome your obstacles to well-being.
From the context of the 22 reasons, I gathered it was not intended for people with real medical conditions.
dip
Thanks, Dip. I still don't think I like Dr. Phil very much, and this guy sounds like he's in the same league. I realize that there are a lot of people who don't have real medical issues but say, "Well, I'm overweight because its a glandular." That's why I don't tell many people what's wrong. For a long, long time I didn't give a damn about their assumptions. I'm not sure why now, like the other things, its bugging me. Maybe because I'm drawing more attention because of my leg being in a cast, or that I'm back at the orthopedist again... And that is where all of this really started... I successfully kept MOST of the weight off through exercise and the dieting before I hurt my ankle the first time. It wasn't until I hurt it in 1999 that I started to really gain the weight. I have pictures to prove it, and a dress from my friend's wedding that is a size 20 (and was big on me... In fact, I can still wear the dress but it doesn't look as nice on me).
Hi there! Is it possible the B.C. pills and Spiro are not the right combo for you? I'm on Spiro, and I can testify it has had a "mind altering" effect on me. Maybe you could talk to your doctor about it.
And I have to ask, because I have been in this boat-- if you "can't" get pregnant why does the endo have you on B.C. pills at all? A lot of them are absolutely fixated on the idea that you MUST have regular, monthly periods, no matter what the consequences are to your body, IMO. But just recently this whole notion has been called into question, especially with the rise of Seasonale, the pill that gives 4 periods a year. In addition, I think it's extremely irresponsible of your endo to tell you you could "never" have a baby. There are some truly remarkable things being done in the fertility field today, and a lot of recent advances in treatment for PCOS and related conditions. So "never" is an awfully misleading and nasty comment, IMO.
Personally I've become extremely cynical about the whole ob/gyn and endo industry. I have been misdiagnosed and overmedicated more than once, and only recently, after 3 decades of obnoxious doctors, have I found a simple solution to the problems I had. And I have been able to lose weight, too. So don't let them get you down, don't treat everything they say as absolute truth, and don't ever take "there's nothing that can be done" for an answer. If you still feel bad, and these people won't help you, you need to find a new doctor who can and will. Good luck.
Hi there! Is it possible the B.C. pills and Spiro are not the right combo for you? I'm on Spiro, and I can testify it has had a "mind altering" effect on me. Maybe you could talk to your doctor about it.
I've been on medication with spironolactone in it for a year now. I can't imagine that its happening all of a sudden. That seems really strange.
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And I have to ask, because I have been in this boat-- if you "can't" get pregnant why does the endo have you on B.C. pills at all? A lot of them are absolutely fixated on the idea that you MUST have regular, monthly periods, no matter what the consequences are to your body, IMO.
I don't have a cycle even with the contraceptives. I don't produce a uterine lining. I also don't make most of the necessary feminine hormones, so I get them through the contraceptive pills. Its made a huge difference for the most part: I was very, very grumpy and whiny before I took them. My friends have noticed a distinct difference in my mood and outlook since I've been on them. Which is why I'm thinking that my weepiness right now is because I'm off them for a week...
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But just recently this whole notion has been called into question, especially with the rise of Seasonale, the pill that gives 4 periods a year. In addition, I think it's extremely irresponsible of your endo to tell you you could "never" have a baby. There are some truly remarkable things being done in the fertility field today, and a lot of recent advances in treatment for PCOS and related conditions. So "never" is an awfully misleading and nasty comment, IMO.
My endocrinologist is a fertility expert as well. However, her comment was that it would be nearly impossible... and I have to agree with her. I can't find what I originally wrote, and don't want to give anybody the wrong idea. She absolutely was NOT being cruel or nasty. She's been a fantastic person, going far above and beyond a typical doctor. Without a doubt, she's the best doctor i've ever had, barring the initial doctor who suggested I go this route. I'm sure that if I wanted to the IVF route or other fertility treatments that she'd be more than willing to give it a try. But, afterall, I don't produce a uterine lining, so there is nothing for an egg to attach to. I also don't, apparently, ovulate or have a monthly cycle, even with the contraceptives. Prior to seeing my endo for the first time, I hadn't had a cycle since 1993. Since I've seen her, I had one forced one from Provera (but it took double the normal amount of Provera, and two cycles of it to get it to happen).
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Originally Posted by SeekInnerThinChick
Personally I've become extremely cynical about the whole ob/gyn and endo industry. I have been misdiagnosed and overmedicated more than once, and only recently, after 3 decades of obnoxious doctors, have I found a simple solution to the problems I had. And I have been able to lose weight, too. So don't let them get you down, don't treat everything they say as absolute truth, and don't ever take "there's nothing that can be done" for an answer. If you still feel bad, and these people won't help you, you need to find a new doctor who can and will. Good luck.
You're right. I saw 4 endocrinologists before I found this one, 1 more while seeing her, and then she referred me to one when I moved, but I went back to the one I have because the one she referred me to was BAD. REALLY, REALLY BAD. Before I saw this woman, I also saw a doctor who supposedly specialized in weight loss, but didn't recognize the symptoms that I presented with as being anything other than, in his opinion, simple overeating. So, I saw a total of 6 endos, and one medical specialist, and got no treatment at all from any of them but the current doctor. She's the only one that has done anything for me that has been positive. In fact, the one she referred me to almost got me fired from my job!
With that said, I like my current endo. She's a lot better than my primary care doctor... my PCD doesn't know a whole lot about endocrine disorders, and doesn't really want to talk to my endo. I find myself more willing to talk to the endo than I am to the primary care. I need to call her office tomorrow anyway because the mail-order pharmacy messed up one set of meds, so I'll try to talk to her nurse. Who is as great as she is... Its hard to get them though because I teach... and my breaks don't coincide with their office hours. And I can't run out to use the phone because my classroom assistant is out for the rest of this week.
I need to get the weepiness under control because I have to go back to work from Spring Break tomorrow, and the kids are going to be off the hook. Most of them can't handle any kind of extended break. And since I'll be by myself, I can't have behavior issues. The last thing I need is to break into tears in front of bunch of emotionally disturbed high school students.
Magi
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I've been on medication with spironolactone in it for a year now. I can't imagine that its happening all of a sudden. That seems really strange.
I don't see why-- many drugs and drug interactions take a long time to show up. Many poisons take a long time to kill.
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I don't have a cycle even with the contraceptives. I don't produce a uterine lining. I also don't make most of the necessary feminine hormones, so I get them through the contraceptive pills.
Check. That was me during the seventies. I had irregular periods with irregular hormones at puberty, then almost nothing in my 20's. Except for male hormones.
But I'm living proof that your system can change radically through your lifetime. I'm 47 and I've been having normal, even heavy, periods like clockwork for years. And normal hormones, except for elevated testosterone. And I'm not on B.C. ( I probably should be, as I'd rather not get pregnant now!) What I'm saying is, no matter what your endo says, it's not necessarily forever and always. The body can change in radical and surprising ways.
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Its made a huge difference for the most part: I was very, very grumpy and whiny before I took them... Which is why I'm thinking that my weepiness right now is because I'm off them for a week...
So you had to go off them cold turkey?
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...However, her comment was that it would be nearly impossible...
and I have to agree with her.
You and your endo can't possibly predict what might be possible within the next 20 or 30 years, and for the endo to make such a flat blanket statement like that still strikes me as unprofessional. It's not a matter of her being "nice" or "nasty"-- it's simply unscientific. I've been told lots of things by doctors who should have known better, and I've proven them wrong repeatedly. Including one who told me I was going to die. But here I am, typing away!
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But, afterall, I don't produce a uterine lining, so there is nothing for an egg to attach to. I also don't, apparently, ovulate or have a monthly cycle, even with the contraceptives. Prior to seeing my endo for the first time, I hadn't had a cycle since 1993.
And I'm telling you I was exactly like that too. But my body started to change in my mid-30's. I don't know why. Neither did the doctors. But I'm not extraordinary and if I can change anyone can.
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She's the only one that has done anything for me that has been positive...my PCD doesn't know a whole lot about endocrine disorders, and doesn't really want to talk to my endo. I find myself more willing to talk to the endo than I am to the primary care.
This sounds like what I went through. Liking a doctor and getting good treatment are two different things. Sometimes a doctor can have a terrible personality but still be a great diagnostician-- like the one who finally got me on Spiro. You need to communicate well with both doctors, and they must communicate well with each other-- it's your care that's at stake-- but you don't have to like each other particularly. It's a professional relationship, not a personal one.
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I need to get the weepiness under control...The last thing I need is to break into tears in front of bunch of emotionally disturbed high school students.
I agree, but if you are having a profound drug reaction, or a withdrawl, you probably won't be able to just switch it off quickly. Hormonal drugs are mind-altering chemicals, and they stick around in the body for quite some time. Changing that hormonal balance quickly is playing with fire.
You need to get to the bottom of this and get correct treatment that you can stay on for the long term. And if that means demanding your 2 doctors take a meeting, then do that. Do whatever it takes. Good Luck.
22 Reasons You Might Be Fat...Forever
" critics... Well..now they are gone gone gone and I couldn't be happier. 
Don't miss them a bit. The song "How do you like me now" comes to mind...shall I ever run into them again. 
Dip... 
