Did you see my post that the S'mores flavor is high fat and would be a super-restricted (once/week) on IP P1?

Interesting conflicting opinions there. While I would agree 100% with Lisa on the super restriction based on the fat percentage, I'm also inclined to agree with AlaskanRN because it's part of a planned workout.

I know that on days when I am hungry I tend to have a lower fat macro rather than carb. On days when I increase my fat macro I have less hunger (oh, and this is GYM days, not regular ones).

While the body WILL process dietary fat as readily as carbs, it won't produce the insulin response at the same rate.

Alaskan - do you track your body fat percentage at all? I'd be interested to know what your WI to WI changes are on BF% to clarify, if you'd be willing to share.

Hi everyone,
Trying to start ip on my own this time and i ordered a box of Double Choco Chunk quest bars!! Turns out they have changed their fat%. Does this mean I can't use them for phase 1 at all As restricted /day even?
Thank you!

Hiya, Aria05: The Quest bars are pretty high in fat now... although in Canada (at least my end of it, lol) they still haven't changed the fibre type to (non-GMO) corn that they were planning on/have done in the States.
The way to figure out if they are on plan for you is to multiply the fat grams by 9 to get calories and see what percentage of the total calorie count it is. It should not be more than 30%

Lemon Pie, Cinnamon Bun, and Coconut Cashew are probably in that OK range. Almost all of the others have double the amount of fat that those three do.
Quote from page one of "Quest Bar as an Alternative":
You go by net carbs (total carbs minus dietary fiber). 8g or less is unrestricted, 9g-16g is restricted, 17g is very restricted.

Alternatives should also be under 200 calories, less than 30% total calories from fat, and at least 12-15g protein.

Liana

Thank you SO much for your reply, Liana! blah... i really really loved double chocolate chunk Guess I will be sticking to their Chips and protein shakes! I hope they have not messed with them !!!

Thoughts on Invocare as an alternative for IP???

I saw an end cap at Wal Mart filled with Queste bars. I didn't check them out yet, though....I'll find out the price & flavors that are in stock & then I'll research to see if any will work for me. I'm trying to stay away from restricted items.

Just a bit of warning.... they have been reformulated with more fat and a different kind of fibre so there are few options that fit IP phases (except Maintenance of course, lol). The main thing to watch out for is the number of calories and the percentage of calories from fat. To be useful for IP weight loss phases they need to be LESS THAN 30% calories from fat.
Each fat gram is 9 calories so you can figure it out from there.
For instance Lemon Pie (you either hate this one or really like it) is 180 calories, 45 of which are from fat (25%) so it's a YES. On the other hand Vanilla Almond Crunch is 210 calories and 81 are from fat (39%), so NOPE.

Really watch out which formulation you get if you are in Canada as some have the new higher fat formula, but not in all areas.

In the US you have very few of their flavours as an allowed choice due to this new formula - supposedly to make the bars softer and more appealing.

Liana

Hello! First post. I am in the middle of week three of my reboot using alternative products. I have been using Quest bars as my restricted item but only eating half....wondering if I could eat the whole thing? Would be awesome to have half in the afternoon and half at night. Is everyone losing while eating a whole quest bar a day? Thank you so much in advance!

reboottake1: If it's the old formula bar that meets requirements you have to eat the entire bar otherwise you're shorting yourself protein. So, yes, eat half and half!