Hi, well after a 2 year hiatus from WW, I am back. I notice that the points have changed and I am puzzled about something. 1/2 cup of refried beans at(if I remember correctly) 60 calories, no fat and 6 g of fiber is 1 point. But, when I had a whole cup of the beans and went back to my points chart, I now had 3 points...
Sorry if this typeof thing has already been addressed, I'm just back! Thanks

Hi, Pippen! For 120 calories, 4 gr. fiber, and no fat, I get just 2 points.

There is now a "cap" on fiber at 4 grams . . . is this the way it was when you were on the program before?

Okay...I see that. I will have to look at a can to see what the amts. were.
Fiber was higher then but, I used to count some of the high fiber stuff as more as I kind of figured that I wasn't really losing anything counting that way, (i.e., they used to say 2 slices of the Manitowoc Ovens high fiber bread for one point. Iended up counting each as 1 point...which is what it is now, I think. If it falls below 1 point , I count it as 1.
I will see if I can find a can of the beans and repost tonight or tomorrow.

Okay, got my facts straight now.... 1/2 cup has 100 calories , 0 g of fat and 5 g of fiber... that is 1 point...right? Now, by doubling to 1 cup, you have 200 calories and 10 g of fiber which only counts as 4 g of fiber and then no fat...that is 3 points.. ?

Yes, that is correct. You're allowed to count just the first four grams of fiber. ('Course, all those other fiber grams are good for you!)

With all due respect, the "fiber cap" is a stupid rule, and I refuse to follow it. I'll admit that I "floundered" through the WW program last fall, and didn't make much in the way of serious, consistent results... but in the past 4-5 weeks, I've lost close to 12 pounds, and I've counted all the fiber I can handle!

I was around in '98 when they first started the points system, and yes, people were getting a little silly with the fiber. "Look, this can of pork and beans has 13 grams of fiber per serving! If I play with the numbers just right, and combine some numbers, I can eat this entire 32 ounce can for only THREE POINTS!" And that's where people got into trouble, IMHO: They ignored serving sizes, portion sizes. And if you ate that entire can of pork and beans and sat on the couch that night, you probably alienated a few family members, too!

Kellogg's All-Bran was another "issue": People using their little cardboard sliders found that when you loaded in all those fiber grams, the marker was landing closer to 0 than 1... so some reasoned that, "Well, I guess All-Bran is 'free' and I can eat all I want without counting a single point. I wonder how many other foods I can find like that..."

I have a box of Kashi GoLean here. Label says 120 calories, 1 gram fat, 10 grams fiber. If I "cap" the fiber at 4 grams, I get 2 points per serving; if I count the full 10 grams, I get 1 point per serving.

So... does that also mean that if I whip out the Ben & Jerry's tonight, I get to knock that 15 grams of fat in my 1/4 cup of ice cream down to 5 grams? Or the calories?

Sorry, but if I have to be "honest" about everything else... the fat, the calories and the portion sizes (arguably the most important aspect of this)... I'm gonna be honest about the fiber, too.

Maybe, just maybe, six months from now the fiber cap won't look that stupid; maybe I'll be the one looking stupid. But for now, I'm gonna be honest about everything. Portions, points, exercise... everything.

Including fiber.

Wheelz

I was not around when there was no cap on fiber - so how do you figure the points? Is there a pointsfinder available that allows you to count all the fiber? Do you have one from those "good old days", or do you have a method for counting?

I still have one of my old points finders so, I am going to do that...use common sense in figuring. I have only been on for 5 weeks now and have lost 10 #. I'll just keep doing what makes sense!! Thanks, ladies!

You do it by the formula but even then you HAD to use common sense with portions and calories.

W/W is not asking you to not 'count' the total fiber grams but you can, with Winning Points, only utilize up to 4 (it is a compensation for the calories in the food).

With 1-2-3 Success there was actually a cap of 10 grams of fiber but if you utilized the 'patent' formula you could go unlimited.