Lou I like your pic.

I've just watched that Fiona Bruce programme about wls for teenagers that American doc telling the 15 (I think) year old his only chnace now was wls! I know frus mentioned it the other day but I just got bored of BB and watched it.

Sarah, shame about the restaurant, maybe next time though.

I hope you get some good news about the other job Lou, but as Frus said, it's nice to be in demand.

I'm probably going out to dinner tonight as well. I am going late-night shopping with my mum and sister and my mum thinks that it would be a lovely treat to go out for dinner. Unfortunately I know we'll be heading for a quick dinner in a greasy italian place or something similar, rather than the nice stir-fry I had planned at home. Never mind. I will just have to try and restrain myself from having a whole pizza to myself!

Have a good evening everyone

Veggie - I'm just glad that the kid on the program decided to actually give calories in vs calories out a go! Like WLS is an EASY option. I don't think so!

People seem to be being offer WLS more and more nowadays. I just wish they'd show more programs about what happens when it all goes wrong.

I saw an advert for WLS in the Daily Mail! The "before" pictures weren't even that bad for chrissakes! They said they'd lost 7stone... Hello! Diet + Exercise = weight loss, even 7 stones of it, we are living proof that you can do it without being chopped to pieces.

I keep seeing people who have had it on forums posting and saying it isn't easy you still have to watch what you eat and exercise - so it does seem to me to be pointless. Why not, er... watch what you eat and exercise?

Also, after even a few days of eating well, your stomach shrinks and you stop craving bad things after about 3 days if you avoid them... what's wrong with doing that? I saw a show about a woman whose surgery went wrong and she's now going to die if she can't have some other surgery... but it's the US and because the WLS made her ill, she had to stop work - no insurance, no surgery. They will literally let her die. All her hair and teeth fell out, as well. If people saw that before taking what they think is an easy option, they might think again. If it's not, in itself, 100% a magic bullet - you're going to have to knuckle down anyway. So why bother?

Here there are other implications - why should the NHS pay for it?

I keep saying I'll have wls if I'm not thin (ish) before I'm 40. I doubt I would though I hate hospitals! Can you have home wls?

thanks veggie... i took it meself hahah...

I'm always in demand in this place lol... everyone thinks i know whats going on.. but i miss ALL the gossip grr..

pp - i had huge issues with chocholate...(i contacted an eating disorder grop.. i think its nothing that bad.. as i dont binge now..) I could eat 2 BIG bags (the cinema kinda size) of malteasers, BIG buttons or similar in one go.. etc...(i was off sick @ the time n quite depressed so that didnt help) even we went to my gf parents house i went to the shop b4 she was up to get "supplies for b'fast" so she wouldnt know haha.. BUT.... since doing SW I did avoid for a few weeks..(getting to the point! lol)

and now im finding the reward on the scales much better than the pleasure of eating rubbish.... BUT i sometimes allow myself a 3 pack of jaffa cakes.. BUT once they are gone thats it... and I've counted them in my allowance.

I'll be glad when today's over! I've been so busy at work this week I feel like I'm just running around the whole time, plus trying to sort stuff out for my holiday. This morning I'm a bit more sane, but still up early on my rest day so that I can use my normal gym time to get into work early and get some work done in the hope I can leave at 5 tonight.

And then I'm FREEEEEE!

For 10 days at least.

Meanwhile my dad is meant to be arriving at some point, so I'm trying not to wander too far round the house in just my underwear. I'm not sure that's the sight he'll fancy being greeted with when he arrives (he picked up a hire car at the airport). Chances are I might not see him until tomorrow lunchtime though - if I leave the house before he gets here, then I'm out late tonight, and out for a long run tomorrow morning possibly before he gets up. Then I have to wash and pack - I'm glad my flights only at 10 at night!

That sounds like a busy busy day Helen - where are you off to? Spain again?

Did some good kickboxing last night, decided to take it easy sparring and still ended up sweating like a horse! I went to wipe my face on my shoulder and it just squelched! I don't usually sweat on my ARMS!

DF rolled home at midnight waking me up by trying to do the washing up that I'd asked him to do last night My friend is coming to stay and we're running out of bowls! I'd already waited up for him past my usual bedtime so I was exhausted and snappy at midnight! Needless to say I didn't get out for my early morning run I'll just take it as a "taper" day for my 5K on Sunday!!!

Morning everyone. Thank God it's Friday

I was very bad last night. I went out for dinner with my mum and sister and we went to a burger bar called Tootsies, and all my willpower left me and I had a burger and chips . What is funny though is that I really didn't enjoy it, the chips were so greasy. All this healthy eating has put me right off them . When I came home I went straight on the (very dusty) rowing machine to try and use up some of those calories . Never done that before, it would normally just push me over into binging on crisps . I think I'm finally learning

Have a good day everyone, and have a great holiday Helen

Frus - you ought to try my Monday aerobics class - I squelch all over - especially last Monday in that heat, I have never felt so hot in my life.

I wish I could keep Daisy (the lovely little black lab ***** I'm dog-sitting) she is so girlie and cute. She can move like the wind and she really kept my boys on their toes this morning during the walk. She got very concerned about my habit of scrambling up the steep hills and insisted on going up them backwards about six inches in front of my face looking very concerned - normally my boys just scramble up them then sit at the top looking down on me in a very superior way.

The pub/restaurant last night was not great. I think everything was bought in pre-cooked and frozen and then microwaved, except the steaks. I had a steak and ale casserole with the cobbler topping removed, a lump of something called 'mixed root mash' which tasted okay but was still almost frozen in the middle and seasonal veg.... which turned out to be (tinned)baby carrots and brussels sprouts! So when was the last time brussels sprouts were in season in early July? We all decided that next time we will visit their local Indian restaurant - or eat at home!

And we're off out again tonight! BBQ this time (if the rain holds off!) I'm looking forward to this - the people are great friends of ours and they both love cooking. I've never been there without trying something new and delicious - Sooz has already phoned to check we are both okay with eating fish... yum!

I hope you complained about your frozen mash. Sounds like a nightmare! I'll try your aerobics if you do my advanced kickboxing

WTG on your rowing Pachyderm

Oh yes! I'm good at complaining - we didn't pay for my meal - but it takes the happy edge off of the nice evening and, even more embarrassing, it was the other couple paying for it.

I've just found out theres a place in the next village opening up which will be teaching tai quan do (not sure of the spelling). DH told me then rolled his eyes, tutted and said he expected I would want to be trying that out next. Do you know if tai quan wotsit is anything like kickboxing cos the logo painted on the door shows someone kicking????

Tae Kwon Do - Oooooh it's good, flows quite nicely. I think you learn more defensive techniques. You do kick and things and use your elbows quite a bit. Try it

Edit: I just googled it, you get to BREAK BOARDS! I'm going to learn it after black belt KB