The Beck Diet Solution – March 2008 – Group for Support, Discussion, Diet Coach

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  • well this weekend was not a COMPLETE disaster but i wouldn't call it a success either. there is just something about the time form fridya night to monday morning where my brain thinks that calories don't count and exercise doesn't matter. why is that? i have no idea. i didn't read my cards or my book. i didn't come here and stay active. i have got to find a way to keep on treack through out the weekend. otherwise i move one step forward and two steps back. not productive.
    hope everyone is doing better than me.
    will be back later tocheck on everybody!
    amy
  • To think I started out yesterday on such good footing. I even had a plan for what I thought was going to happen. Too bad what I thought was going to happen didn’t actually happen.

    Bummer!

    I guess I was overconfident at my ability to do well yesterday…but I obviously don’t have enough skills and practice with Beck to handle what I had to actually handle. It wasn’t ALL bad… sort of felt more like sliding downhill rather than jumping off a cliff… but I feel lousy and admittedly, the behavior was LEWD… thanks Bill. That comment of yours will stick with me from now on. I only wish I had had your message yesterday.

    I did everything wrong.. Beckwise.

    Onebyone… I sure hope that on Friday morning, you’ll be around to remind ME that the WI is no big deal, because I am feeling absolutely despondent about back sliding.

    That’s all I’ve got for today. It’s over and done. I’m back to Beck. But ouch!!

    Ellen
  • gahundy - ladybugnessa - Completely understand the weekend blindness. Wish was clever enough to think of a catchy name so maybe would stop that madness.

    kuhljeanie – Sending more well wishes to you and yours.


    BillBlueEyes – Kudos on your eating and walking and brushing of your teeth. Yeah I bet there has to be something out there. Maybe someone knows here. I’ll have to put that out there sometime.


    onebyone – WOOOT on the 6lbs!! WTG on walking in place.


    I am down 4 lbs today 2lbs from onelander. Deep breath and am hoping April 1st doesn’t pull a fools joke on me. I caught myself eating while standing yesterday. This is going to be a challenge when at gatherings. I have to think of a plan since there won’t always be some place to sit. Am thinking of my friends’ house where most of eating & talking is done standing. Interesting challenge. Well I better get moving going to try and get my 8 miles in once again.
  • Mezmerizxe you are doing so well! i am so impressed by your focus and dedication... i know it sounds like platitudes and fluffiness but i really mean it. I look forward to your posts....
  • mez: First off: CONGRATS!!! ON YOUR WEIGHT LOSS!! YOU ARE ALMOST THERE!!
    Second: if you can't sit down when at gatherings, maybe you could try just standing in the same place. i know that when i am in that situation i usually walk and eat. i don't think it is pratical to do EVERY step 100% EVERY time, and we can't beat ourselves up about it. i think i read somewhere that if you aim for 100% of the time and hit it right aobut 80% of the time, you will still be a weight loss success! standing up at one party is not the end of all of your hard work!
  • Hi all.

    Last night was lots of fun....it was good spending time with old friends...I think we're doing to make it a once a month thing. I did well with the food....kept to planned foods and quantities.

    I did slip up a bit before everyone arrived. I made a really good low-fat fish chowder. I had planned to have a taste of it as part of my snack before people arrived. So, I put a spoonful into a custard cup, sat down and ate it...credit moi....then, that mindless part of me took over, and I refilled the custard cup...to the top...and I even sat down to eat it. But, right after I did that, I said OH WELL, shouldn't have done that, maybe I'll eat a little less when everyone is here...and that's what I did.

    Only other minor imperfection that was really a choice was when everyone was standing up eating appetizers -- veggies, humus, bean dip, chips, cheese, and crackers, I decided I wanted a couple pieces of red pepper and a couple baby carrots....and it just would have been a little strange to sit down, so I didn't. It was a choice, I was fine with it. I think I may want to look at allowing myself some small amounts of eating standing...in social situations....NOT IN MY KITCHEN when I'm cooking!

    Weight was down 3 pounds this morning. That's 17 pounds in 5 weeks!! I know it won't continue....and yes I'm eating enough, I just have a lot to lose, and this is the first few weeks. If my pat pattern continues, I'll slow to 1-2 pounds a week around now.

    Mez: Congrats on the loss! BTW, I love your ticker...where did you get it?

    BBE: kudos on staying away from the candy. When I was growing up, I had an uncle who owned a drug store. We would always get the leftover Easter candy after the holiday....I loved those giant bunnies! (course, that was before I as aware of Cadbury eggs....okay enough food porn!)

    One-by-one -- congrats on your loss. And thanks for the reminder that it's easier to stay on track than get on track. I'm going to use that one.

    Sea child -- I think it takes practice to build these skills and use them consistently. One of the Beck twists that I find interesting is that NO CHOICE is one of the key response cards....but so is OH WELL. She knows none of us will do this perfectly.

    Nessa -- hope things get calmer for you....soon....or even now

    Jean -- Passover has been my undoing many times. It's not that I love Passover food so much...though I do find the family favorites pretty comforting and tasty....it's just a reaction I've had to the limitations of Passover...since I observe pretty strictly...even when I plan and focus on all the good things I can eat (fruit, veggies, meat, fish, chicken, dairy products, nuts, sweet potatoes, quinoia, matzo, even Passover sweets etc), some kind of deprivation thing comes up for me....and I end up way overeating,,,if not during Passover, then right after...it's happened several times....I'm planning on working Beck very hard this year around that time.
  • I am still here,I was doing so well last week and it all went wrong Thur after Easter basket shopping.I have been eating quite a bit of candy but I did well at dinner on Easter.I have decided to try my favorite diet plan with the exchanges instead of ww flex or points for at least a week.It just seems so much more natural to me and I have lost on it before,it is like ww used to be ,2 milk exchanges,5 protein exchanges ect... I did not weigh in Thur,I think I have 4 ww weigh ins left and I will not rejoin when this 8 weeks session is over,too much pressure and added stress.I was reading through some of my info from healthy exchanges cookbooks by Joanna Lund and I have done my shopping today and have lots of supplies.Have not been swimming due to the holiday weekend.I am going to pack my lunch for work Tuesday and read my cards.Funny over the last few days when I have been going crazy eating everything I shouldn't,I keep remembering my cards and what they tell me.I had to kind of blot them out of my mind so I can go on eating.Some of it must be sinking in and I am not giving up.

    barbos and mezmerize-Great job on the weight loss!

    I will have to respond at greater length Tues,keep up the good work everyone!
  • Hi everyone,
    I am just keeping my head above water. I ate on plan all day and then someone brought in a "still warm" pumpkin streusel type number... I indulged. I didn't right away but couldn't stop thinking about it and had a piece before I left school tonight. Oh well. I recorded it and am done eating for the day.

    Big congrats to Mez on your hard work and dedication showing up on the scale-you will hit onederland before you know it!

    I must go to bed-more conferences all day tomorrow beginning at 8 am. I have planned tomorrow's food including 200 cals for a little something from the PTA feast. It helps taht we eat dinner so early (4:30) so my body has SOME time to digest and I can walk around before going right to bed!

    Til tomorrow, Heidi
  • Howdy Folks,

    Weekends can really be a challenge-those fun gathering so much food and opportunity to fall back into old habits. Much Credit for those who made it thru and actually lost weight too. OnebyOne, Barbpos and Mezmerize congradulations on your loss and BillBlueeyes for your maintaining. Mezmerize as you are so close to getting in the "ones" I am anxious to get out of the threeses and into twoese.

    Unless I am going thru some "emotional crisis" in general I have got the Beck concepts down when I am at home with just DH and our normal routines. Add parties, company, trips, holidays and/or illness then it gets very tough for me. I know this is jumping around the book but I would be interested in re doing chapters parts of 7, 8, 9 and 10. For example day 16 is prevent unplanned eating-I'll start on this but I think I am out of order a bit if this is ok with the group. Prehaps this was already done and I have forgotten? I would try to do 2 days a week if no one else wants to do one.

    Wenylan so glad you are not giving up-I have many of those "But why did I do this moments" I really have to work to even hear my sabatoging thoughts as I can quickly drown them out with food.-I also found that I had read my cards to much I could hear the reasons when I started overeating-they have really helped me stop at times.

    Barbpos-you were so successful last night-great save on stopping the eating and reducing some food later. I do find I get a bit nervous with company and it is easy to pop something in my mouth then. Sat we did have two other couples who all are watching thier weight and I actually enjoyed planning and doing a low cal dinner-which was yummy too. I also think a conscious choice such as modifying the standing rule can make sense in some situations. My goal is to giving or attending a party and lose the weight that week-It is a very rare thing for me. congradulations on your loss.!

    Mezmerize you are one trucking lady-didn't you some surgery not that long ago!! congrads on your loss.

    Gahundy, Ladybugnessa, Jeanie, SeaChild I have such respect for you all for hanging in and check in with the group. I so understand the effects of illness, stress, exhaustion on changing habits. I am continually learning to cope with these situation without food with a series of baby steps and it has taken a long time to lose the 70lbs but inspite of alot of set backs it is gone. I truly believe that Beck is good approach but I also am always working on the "magical" powers I have given food to cure my nonfood problems-I know it can only can cure hunger but I still try and use it other problems and then go off plan. when my life is good doing Beck is work but doable-when I am stressed doing Beck takes every once of energy for me and at times too much. I am always asking my self-" why why why did I do this unhealthy eating act?" Occassionally I figure it out and can change it. Best wishes to you for future successes as you all have already had a number of successes.

    onebyone- What a wonderful responses of love and appreciation to your body. I have been learning to see what I can do versus focusing on what I can't do any more. I see alot of folks my age who are suffering much more than me who is obese-which is curable. Love you being 3-D challenged- I go crazy arranging pics on a greeting card or in an album.

    BillBlueEyes-I bet that Easter candy at work does not temp you-no one donates the extra rich cocoa chocolate-that I would at least take for some later times. I have found eating more mindfully I really like a lot of texture and flavor-I sometime start eating faster with poorly made bland foods hunting for more flavor. Thanks for understanding the "sue" way of working thru my eating problems-I just can't do "no Choice" It has to make sense to me-In Special Education you just can not stop an inappropriate behavior but you have to modify and replace it another behavior-teaching the non verbal child to use pictures to communicate versus screamming is so much more successful than just saying "no screamiming".

    Hi to Cammy and Heidi-Heidi just read your posting-guess we are the late night west coast folks-Sounds like a tough week-take care

    sue
  • Tuesday
    Diet Coaches – Ate no Easter candy yesterday. CREDIT moi. Now, in my pre-Beck, negative thinking days, the fact that none was offered to me would be reason for reducing the CREDIT-moi for not eating any, But, since I had pre-committed to not eating any, I'm claiming full credit.

    At the gym I did my chest press with 40 pound dumbbells on a bench next to a buff young guy doing the same exercise with 35 pound dumbbells. CREDIT moi. Alas, a tough grader might reduce that CREDIT-moi because comparing myself to someone else as a clear violation of, My Body, My Journey, and all that. But I'm claiming full credit.

    My take on Beck's message is that thin people give themselves credit more often than fat people by virtue of their way of thinking and that's a good thing. That means I'm doing the right thing. [Ahem..., did I mention that I just finished my income taxes?]


    Sue (CoastalSue) - Sending supportive thoughts for getting your sea legs back. It's good to see the analogy to what Beck is trying to get us to do in your work, "In Special Education you just can not stop an inappropriate behavior but you have to modify and replace it another behavior."

    Heidi (hbuchwald) - Kudos for eating on plan and Kudos for rapid recovery. Boy, what a reminder how easy it is to get tripped up by a little thing like, "still warm."

    wendy (wendylan) - Kudos that "Some of it must be sinking in and I am not giving up." You're headed in the right direction. Seems like it's we-all-need-to-get-back-on-track day on the Beck thread, LOL.

    Mez (mezmerize) - Kudos yet again for continuing your 8 mile walks. That's good stuff. It's neat that you're walking your way to onederland.

    Barbara (barbpos) – Kudos for your low-fat fish chowder vignette. A good fish chowder goes down sooo easy - kudos for stopping when you did. Yea that your soup and salad was a success. I find your distinction useful for eating standing up in situations when that's the only real option; that's really different than in the kitchen, when another option is just NOT to eat (or to sit for a sample, like you did).

    onebyone – Big Kudos for your 11pm walk in place exercise. That's such a great story to remind me of the value of sticking to my plan. And I stole It's easier to stay on plan than get on plan for my Response Cards, as well as I am so grateful to have a healthy, functioning body. Thanks for both of those.

    amy (gahundy) – Ouch for a tough weekend. Kudos for getting right back on track afterwards. Alas, like parenting, it's a 24/7 journey. If checking in with 3FC over the weekends would help to remember, then come right in; many of us are here.

    Ellen (SeaChild) - Kudos for your terrific attitude, "ouch .. more like sliding downhill rather than jumping off a cliff ... It’s over and done. I’m back to Beck." It's always good for me to be reminded that my journey will succeed if I remember that I am to compensate for deviations, not quit.

    Nessa (ladybugnessa) - Sending supporting thoughts for getting back into your Beck stride. And sending healing thoughts for your DH.

    Readers – "Foreword A New Application of Cognitive Therapy
    There is a serious and growing health crisis in the United States. Nearly two-thirds of adults, and an ever-increasing number of children and adolescents, are overweight. … " From the Forward by Aaron T. Beck, M.D., Beck, pg 10.

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    Completed Beck Program-day 42. You’ve met your goal. Congratulations!
  • I went to bed last night with my heart fluttering....and woke up a couple times during the night with it fluttering even worse....luckily this morning it's back feeling normal. This was the first incident in a couple of week. It was a sobering reminder that I do have atrial fibrillation. This can not be just a downward dip in the dieting yo-yo. Too much is at stake here.

    How's this for a response card....REMEMBER YOU HEART CONDITION!

    Yes, I know, being healthy matters to everyone's health....I'm just aware of it on a different level lately.

    Sorry, I'm feeling a little grim this morning.


    Gotta go get ready for work. Have a good day everyone.
  • gotta run but i'm seeing that doing BECK work for me requries a WORK DAY and days off for right now seem to coast with the other stuff.

    I really do have to get back on track...
  • Day 32 the travel day
    Hello Coaches!

    Wow the whole team seems to have checked in since I last posted!

    Go Team Go

    I cannot believe my eyes this morning. I am back to my pre-trip weight, 253.4. The scale weight is never what I think it to be, yet another reason to treat it the way you would casually observe the patterns of light in a fantastic photograph say, or when you are trying to figure out just what kind of red that is over there as you try to paint that thing over there. The number just sort of is, independent of me somehow -- yet I take full credit for taking immediate action , even though i didn't believe it would help. (credit moi)

    I now choose to believe that getting back to Beck (B2B?) makes my body happy to shed the water as I eat with sanity.

    I really really really thought that weight gain was permanent. I really really really believed that. And I was wrong. Let me remember this the next time this situation comes round.

    ladybugnessa So sorry to hear you are heading back to the dentist with DH. It really was a major event, losing 8 teeth all at once. I had 3 out at one time and that was tough. So many do's and don't when you have those fresh holes where your teeth used to be. It is understandable this would impact you as well in so many ways. I am sending you strength to get through this and clarity to know what it the next best thing for you to do to take care of yourself, and the willingness to do it.

    gahundy Ah the weekend! I have had loads of trouble with wanting to be "free" in all ways over the weekend. Even when my work schedule starts up again, and I work every weekend, I still feel that way on a Saturday. Things are slowly starting to shift for me. I now really get it that what I do to myself one day, carries over to the next, and may affect me at my WI, or worse, make me feel bad for doing it and that is big trouble. Experiencing yet again how hard it is for me to pull myself back from the brink, I never know if I'll binge one day? two days? all week? so it is better to stay on plan. It is easier for me to stay on my plan than to get back onto my plan. I hope to have that burned into my noggin' ASAP! You deserve much credit for coming hnere, posting, getting back to Beck and going forward.

    Seachild So? A little sliding here and there. You've stopped against a giant pile of snow, like the one that's taken up residence in my backyard. Now you can get up and go again. As you said to me, we're practicing. I know I need to re-visit my bad behaviours and eventually I won't want to go there anymore. You must know this old poem?
    We all do better when we know better. And we are all getting better everyday.

    AUTOBIOGRAPHY IN FIVE CHAPTERS
    Portia Nelson


    1) I walk down the street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk
    I fall in.
    I am lost...
    I am hopeless.
    It isn't my fault.
    It takes forever to find a way out.

    2) I walk down the same street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
    I pretend I don't see it.
    I fall in again.
    I can't believe I'm in the same place.
    But it isn't my fault.
    It still takes a long time to get out.

    3) I walk down the same street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
    I see it is there.
    I still fall in...it's a habit
    My eyes are open; I know where I am;
    It is my fault.
    I get out immediately.

    4) I walk down the same street.
    There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
    I walk around it.

    5) I walk down another street.


    mezmerize Kudos+ on your exercise routine! You are definitely going to make it to onederland! I think BillBlueEyes once posted about being at a party and standing up to eat but using a plate, everything has to be on a plate. It was when wh was eating the almonds and he put them on a plate... that made a real impression on me. So maybe you can formalize an informal situation like that and mark it out as "I can do this so long as I have my food on a plate?" Just a thought.

    barbpos Congratulations on your weight loss. Sorry to hear you got scared by your fluttering heart. I have asthma and it doesn't act up very much but when it does, I get freaked out. I know that losing weight/being more fit, will help my whole body as it will for you. We are doing the right thing. I feel the way you do. This is really really important for me and my body now. No fooling around.

    wendylan I support you in your choice of foodplan! I think if that's what makes sense to you and you feel good doing it that way you should.
    And of course you are not giving up... you're here! yay!

    hbuchwald Good job with eating on plan all day yesterday. And that's smart to alter your foodplan for today based on what happened yesterday with the streusel by giving yourself 200 cal of wiggle room. Awesome!

    coastalsue I have trouble with NO CHOICE too. It immediately makes me say "SAYS WHO?" So I am like the little kid and a replacement behaviour goes a long way with me as well. I'll think on this some more cause it feels like there's something really important in there for me to "get". Thanks.


    BillBlueEyes Kudos on getting those pesky taxes done! I have to do two years worth and fear looking for everything... credit moi for even thinking about them a little I personally love going to gym and noticing that I am doing a little bit better time wise/weight wise/ reps wise than someone else. It feels good to me when I see that I am "as good as" someone else when I have spent so much time feeling lesser than or worse than everyone else, or not capable, all those foul things that are so untrue. Take the good thoughts and feelings where you can get them. You don't wish him ill, you just know you are "as good as". Credit toi et moi.


    Sorry for the superlong post. I am avoiding drawing homework and now have to go do it.... Oh wait! I can still put it off with breakfast! haha! Okay Now I am off. Have a great day!
  • ladybugnessa – Thank you, I also enjoy reading your post.

    gahundy – Thank you, I like that tip of staying in one place. So true on the 100% thanks for helping put things in perspective!

    barbpos – Thanks! I make my own tickers it’s keep me busy and focused. Kudos on keeping on plan. Nice recovery from the chowder. You hit the nail on the head as far as eating standing in social groups. Sometimes it just not possible. I will have to be mindful of eating just as with sitting in this situation.

    wendylan – WTG on working revamping your plan. Love how you wrote I’m not giving up! Very Positive Kudos!!

    hbuchwald – Thank you, Kudos on only have 1 piece. Kudos on planning ahead for your PTA meeting.

    coastalsue – Thank you, I’ve not read ahead in the book. I would think if it’s going to help you improve your non eating muscle then it’s should be ok. I’m thinking is like Monastery School when they teach children according to their interest which make them learn it so much quicker. I don’t live in an area that has one but from what I’ve read they are really good. It’s one of the the things I do with my grandkids. I’ve noticed my grandson was into letters so I bought letter tiles and we’d watch a Leap Frog dvd called Letter factory and we did letter crafts among other things. He is 3 years old and can read. He actually loves to read Biscuit Books he will also go around the house and read the sticky notes I put all over. When he was into numbers we did thing that pertained to them. Cooking is what he found the most fun.

    BillBlueEyes – Kudos! Bill =

    onebyone – Congrats on the pre trip weight! Awesome Poem!! Love the plate idea!! Very inspiring post! Thanks!

    1st of all Thanks so very much everyone! Everyone has been so helpful with tips and sharing. Many times I'm going though the same thing and I get that I'm not alone feeling. Everyone is pushing on. It is so inspiring!
    Yesterday 8 miles today I'm not sure if I'll take a break or just do part. My knee was acting up a bit. My husband bought me a Zune (Mp3 player) and a docking sations (room speakers) so I can play my workout music and not have to change my music CDs mid workout. The 8 miles takes 1hr 40 minutes and I have to listen to my music to zone out. Once again thanks for your support!
  • Good morning beckies!
    this will be a real quick credit to myself: had insomnia last night and i DID NOT eat anything! Normally i eat a bowl of cereal or a sandwich, you know something very carby. for some reason i have it in my mind that it will help me sleep, it seldom does, but i told myself last night that i knew it wouldn't help me sleep and that i would feel groggy this morning. guess what, even with just a few hours of sleep last night i feel pretty good. much better than i normally feel after a sleepless night! it's good for me to see that food DOES affect the way i feel.
    onebyone: LOVE the poem, it reminded me of another story about a donkey whose owner didn't want it anymore so the farmer throws the donkey in a hole and starts to fill the hole with dirt. but everytime he throws dirt down the donkey shakes it off and stands on top of the pile. eventually the donkey has shaken it off enough dirt to be at the top of the hole and can just walk away. moral: keep shaking it off and stand up!
    mez: thanks for being so positive. it helps me stay positive too!
    bill: it is only human nature to compare ourselves with others in an unspoken competition. i am very proud of you for being able to do the same workout with higher weights (it gives me hope!)
    Barb: TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEART! we may not all have heart disease but we all have the potential. i work for cardiac rehab so i know that even seemingly healthy people have heart disease. i also know (not to scare you but to help you remember) heart disease is the #1 killer of women today. i am glad to see that you are working on making your heart healthy instead of using it as an excuse to give up and do nothing. YOU CAN DO THIS!!
    well coaches it's time for me toget back to work, i will come back and update as my day goes by...amy