Will-power/reaching your goals etc

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    Other people have made this journey before me, and they all say the end of it is a fabulous place to live. This is one case in which the arrival not the journey matters.

    Boy, I wish I was one of those people. I've never met one, and other than some of the people on this board, I've never actually met more than about 2 people who maintained significant weightlosses.

    I don't think the journey has an end. If you don't learn to love or at least enjoy the journey, I think the end will be just another beginning of weight gain. I've maintained my 50 pound loss for 2.5 years and every day has been just like the initial journey. I exercise even more, but have a few more slip-ups or planned treats. Other than that, nothing has changed. I still would like to eat salty buttered popcorn until I burst, I still cannot eat ONE cookie. What has changed is that I know that I can't start and that I can choose whether or not to take that first bite. I guess I'm lucky in that I've always loved different forms of exercise and sports, so that aspect of weight control is a non-issue. I do it because I love it and it feels good to be strong and active.

    Back to the original questions.....
    How did you stay on your journey?
    I'm still on it, as I said above. But initially, I was convinced that I was about 3 minutes from adult onset diabetes. This turned out not to be true, but I became totally singleminded about losing weight. I hated the way I looked and felt.

    Did you look at your long-term goals?
    No, because I never really believed that I would achieve them. In a sense, I haven't. Yes, I achieved what I felt was my goal weight. It turned out not to be my goal body. I've been working on my goal body for the last 2.5 years. I'm getting close, but realize that at age 49 and having been overweight for 20 years, I'm not going to look like a fitness competitor. My long-term goals keep changing. First it was a number on the scale, then less flab and more muscle, then particular fitness milestones.

    Do you think it was willpower alone?
    I agree with Ilene, it's determination at all times. Sometimes briefly, the willpower isn't there and I do eat a bag of popcorn, but I don't do it again and again and again.

    What was your motivation?
    Health, vanity, being tired of crying in dressing rooms, being the heaviest woman at the pool, being looked at in disbelief when I showed up on a tennis court or for scuba lessons.

    Did you not have any specific long-term goals and just went day-by-day?
    Again, Ilene said it: Sometimes it's minute-by-minute...Bite-by-bite...

    Mel
  • AMEN to that Mel...

    I think a key for me has been - never to allow myself to become complacent. You know - just to the point where I just don't care anymore. And I always say to THINK POSITIVE - instead of dwelling on the bad points, focus instead on the GOOD. Not what you CAN'T have, but what you CAN have. KWIM?

    Complacency is the devil as far as maintaining weight-loss goes.
  • Good point about COMPLACENCY, Karen -- every time that I think that I have this weight loss stuff licked, that it's easy, that I've got it all under control ... that's right about the time that my complacency bites me in the butt. Life has a way of humbling me whenever I get too cocky about being a weight loss "expert". I've still got plenty of those minute-by-minute, bite-by-bite days when I'm just relieved to fall into bed at the end of the day without a food meltdown.
  • Quote: Quinn, you’re at the very beginning of your weight loss journey and I’m afraid you’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you hold yourself to those kind of standards. Hey, it would be awesome if you do lose the weight and end up as you described in your post! But once you reach goal, I wouldn't want you to feel like you had somehow failed if you don't achieve the food nirvana that you describe.
    No, Meg. I'm not describing a food nirvana. I'm describing a healthy relationship with food. The longer we've had an unhealthy relationship with food, or people, or anything else, then the longer it will take to change over to a healthier realationship. And, yeah, if you think you've got it licked in a mere two years, then, um, you may want to re-think that.

    And, no, I am not at the beginning of my weight-loss journey.
  • Did you look at your long-term goals?
    I would never have believed in October 2001 that in May 2004 I would be 58 pounds lighter and have dropped from size 16 to size 6 pants. The closest I came to a goal was the wish to be able to wear size 10 pants. I've never had long-term goals. I have weekly goals. Sometimes I can't even manage a weekly goal and have a daily goal or even Just This Meal Goal.

    What was your motivation? Competition and FUN and the spirit of the chase. I think I was motivated by seeing it as a challenge. In fact, almost any challenge on any board has me there. Start to finish. I think that's why I'll never be a real maintainer. I've stopped thinking scale - I'm busy with the newest challenge.

    And back to motivation - my dearest Hubster has lost 110 pounds the past year and a half. We've encouraged and pushed each other. And there's also a bit of competition there. We've run 4 5K races this year. I have one more trophy than he does. I walked one race because I was in so much pain and couldn't run - but I walked FAST and beat a bunch of other old ladies and came in third. Got a trophy. We completed the Idita walk and got t-shirts from the Boys Scouts in Alaska. We're doing the President's fitness challenge - we're in a group of two. I'm in the bottom 50%. We're trying to decide which 5K race we want to sign up for Memorial Weekend... Old Folks Just Gotta Have Fun. The End.
  • Hi, Sweater Girl!!!
    Quote: I was just trying to look more at the psychological aspect of our chosen lifestyles... What inside of us has changed, how did we make these changes permanent. It is an adjustment in thinking..

    Now to be fair, I never ever thought I could go back to the way I used to eat and thank god I haven't.
    Oh!! You wanted the psych motives! Oh, I see, I didn't understand the question.

    Quote: Now, my question goes out to anyone here who has lost weight/who is losing weight or whoever might want to chime in. How did you stay on your journey? Did you look at your long-term goals? Do you think it was willpower alone? What was your motivation? Did you not have any specific long-term goals and just went day-by-day?
    How am I staying the course? Um, because my tastes in food have gradually changed back to healthier choices as i stop eating the unhealthy choices. Because the Zoloft is gradually weeding the depression out of my brain, which helps greatly in making every day decisions. Because i truly do not want to deal with heart disease or diabetes or more cancer, not now nor in my old age.

    Yes, looking at long-term goals helps me, but i need to look at all my long-term goals, many of which have nothing to do with weight-loss. Being obese/overweight keeps me from moving through the world as easily as I would like. I want to travel more, but I know that the extra poundage I carry on my body all day, everyday, will tire me out and keep me from enjoying the trip as much as i could.

    Willpower?? What the h*ll is willpower??? Self-discipline?? The ability to delay gratification??? someone please tell me.

    What is my current primary motivation? My health.

    For me, going day-by-day works best as it's far too easy to get caught up in worrying about the far future while neglecting what's going on RIGHT NOW. And, ya know, all we really have is RIGHT NOW. The past can't be changed. (Rewritten, yes. Changed, no. ) And the future doesn't actually exist except in our imaginations.

    Quote: Quinn: my BA is in History too.
    eek!

    Remember when we couldn't quite figure how to answer the essay questions, so we'd talk all around them? Didn't i do just that in my earlier post? Golly.

    Take care, now, 'k?
  • Wow, our weightloss journey's are so individual, even when it comes to how we view losing weight, maintaining, our motivations... Guess there is absolutely no "one size fits all" way to even view weight loss. I always view things in the long term, that's just how I am, guess I am in the minority. It is a very personal journey.

    Lanaii: I grew up about 45 minutes east of Cornwall in an outer suburb of Montreal (I grew up a mile away from the 20/401, my parents still live there). I drove my bro to visit one of his friend's in Cornwall on numerous occassions too. If you know Ottawa, I live in Nepean, but am moving to Stittsville in less than 2 months (I bought a house there).

    Have a good day!

    Ali
  • Ali, small world isn't it? I've gone to Ottawa at least 7 times since March... A few times to shop at Cosco on Innis Road and the St. Laurent Shopping Centre... I have a BIL in Richmond... I go every 6 months at the Eye Institute on Smyth Road... D goes to CHEO... I was there last week at the Civic or is it the General on Parkdale for an appointment with my Dad...Anywho if you ever want to get together that would be fun... I see in your public profile you're a Silly Servant! I used to be too for Employment and Immigration, that was about 17yrs ago, oh my how time flies...

    Anywho hope everyone has had a great day!
  • Lanaii: yup, I am a minion of the Public Service. My parents are still get over the shock that their only daughter is a bureaucrat I work for probably the most well-known and hated sections... Revenue. Yes getting together at some point would be fun! My Bf's steo-sis lives just outside of Richmond, in a very rural area. I grew up in an outer suburb and cannot wait to move to Stittsville now. I love Ottawa and prefer it to Montreal... all my Montreal friends think I am nuts, but it's a nice city (and Montreal isn't too far to visit)
  • This is a very interesting and thought provoking post. I love the responses, especially Quinns, Megs, and Mels. I'll weigh in my 2c.

    I think our weight loss journey and relationship with food are two related but different things. We will always have our relationships with food. I like the way Quinn put it, that the relationship is a matter of choices we have made for a long time, so long that they have carved deep routes in the gray matter. There could be an "end" to that thinking someday, I haven't given it long enough to know. I gave my poor food choices and preferences 40 years to entrench themselves. I would have to give my more recent choices and preferences 40 years to make a fair assessment.

    I hope that there is an end to this weight loss journey. When I started I just wanted to get to a loose fitting 14. Then it became a 12. Now my size 10's are too big and I need a size 8. This wasn't a matter of choosing small goals, I really thought that "destination" would be fine. I'm starting to like the way my body looks. I can actually see muscle and it looks good. I love the muscle ... but there is always a little jiggle here, a pooch there, some lumps and bumps and a little roll where there shouldn't be. I see it becoming a matter of just not being happy and accepting my body. I don't need to be a size 4 with 10% body fat, but I can see that type of goal looming somewhere in the mirror. An end to the weight loss journey is a good thing. It would mean being proud of my achievements and happy with body, even with its little giggles and bumps. It would mean never having to loose the weight again.
  • I am a life long binger who was a closet eater for many years but managed to maintain a decent weight. However, I gained over 60 lbs when pregnant and could not get the weight off, my horrible eating patterns caught up with me. So for 5 years I struggled to lose the weight, managed to get within 15 lbs of my goal, but still was a binger and compulsive yo-yo dieter.

    What motivated me finally was that I was SO TIRED of centering my life around food. I was SO TIRED of the sheer disgust I felt after a sugar binge and realized that if I did not change my habits, I would hate myself forever. Plus, I started having some very annoying physical symptoms, including chronic yeast infections, major skin irritations and fatigue.

    I set a goal to stop binging and cut out all white carbs. Doing so required ALL of my willpower. I forced myself to stop the all/nothing thinking and if I cheated on my diet, I just got right back to it the next day. My goal was only to stop binging on sugary carbs, which was my problem. Slowly, I lost some weight and most notably, felt so much better. No more yeast infections, my skin totally cleared up and I felt wonderful. When I did fall off the wagon, I felt awful. The foods I ate during a binge made me sick, my heart would beat faster, I'd swell up and my skin would break out. Because I rid myself of the crap, when I did eat it, I really noticed the effects it had on my body and that motivated me not to eat it. Still does.

    Like many others, I still struggle with food all the time, every day. I do view the donuts and whoopie pies as poison, but for whatever reason they are my addiction, so I can't imagine ever just saying "I don't want one" or "that whoopie pie looks disgusting." But I do say to myself, "If I eat that, I will be sick. I will berate myself for the next 5 days and worry that I am falling off the wagon for good. Its not worth it." That is the kind of thinking that keeps me from going back to the way I was a year ago. Its just not worth it. I love being healthy and I love feeling slim and confident. Falling off the wagon occasionally just strengthens my resolve, whereas before, I would give up and just slide for months.

    Anne
  • You know what song has been going through my head?
    Since I first read this thread...that song by Gary Puckett and the Union Gap from the late 60's, "Lady Willpower". ("Lady Willpower...it's now or never...give your love to me...). I don't believe that Mr. Puckett was talking about dieting or maintaining a weight loss though!

    Anyway...back to the topic at hand.

    Geoducky - I gotta tell ya based on my personal experience...there is NO end to the journey of weight loss - it's a LIFELONG journey. The key is to ENJOY the ride! Focus primarily on the benefits (wearing smaller clothes, feeling healthier, self-confident, 'part of the real world', etc.) and less on the negatives (passing up the goodies, removing the bread basket from the table at the restaurant, etc.). I think you'll find that the POSITIVES of being a lower weight FAR outweigh the negatives.

    Myself, I've been traveling this weight loss road since my parents put me on my first diet at the tender age of 7. (It was Dr. Stillman's "The Doctor's Quick Weight Loss Diet" - a high-protein regimen - I still remember the paperback book with the blue-edged pages...ah memories...) Since I'm 41 1/2 years old now, that would put me at thirty four years that I've been on this 'long and winding road'. And maintaining for a looong time. I gotta tell ya...just speaking for myself of course - that the Food Monkey is still on my back. Just like alcoholics and smokers who 'kick' the habit, stay clean for decades, and all it takes is the one drink or one cig to kick them off the wagon...that could happen to me, or ANY of us. For sure - I've had those thoughts in the past (even when I was a chubby kid on some diet or other...) that 'once I lose all this weight, then the diet is over and I can do what I want'. Unfortunately, that ain't the way it works. To maintain basically means that you eat and exercise the same way to you did when you were losing. Sure, once in awhile you can have a 'treat', but I know for sure if I started eating the way I used to - half an extra-large pizza, a quart of ice cream, etc. - then the pounds will pile back on. And even if I stick to 'healthier choices' - like healthy cereal, whole-grain bread, old-fashioned peanut butter, lean steak, shoot, even oatmeal - if I consume too much of these items, I WILL gain weight. Calories really do count IMO!

    And face it, when you've spent pretty much your entire life using food and eating as a coping mechanism, IMO it's not so easy to 'just stop it'. It hasn't been for me...believe me, after all these years I STILL feel the urge to open the fridge as soon as I get home from work - just like I did when I got home from school as a child - the snack thing. Losing weight and maintenance is HARD WORK - but the rewards are incredibly rich!

    There are two words that I've used that I feel need a definition: Willpower and Complacency. According to Webster's the definitions are:

    will·pow·er
    Pronunciation: 'wil-"pau(-&)r
    Function: noun
    : energetic determination

    com·pla·cen·cy
    Pronunciation: -s&n(t)-sE
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
    1 : COMPLACENCE; especially : self-satisfaction accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers or deficiencies
    2 : an instance of complacency
    Synonyms CONCEIT, amour propre, complacence, conceitedness, consequence, egoism, egotism, narcissism, pride, vainglory

    It's WAY too easy to become complacent - to think "ah, I've got this thing licked" - and then before you know it, the scale is up 10 pounds. NOT a good thing!

    I've always liked this passage by Rosemary Green from Diary of a Fat Housewife - check out what she says about willpower:

    Quote:
    PRACTICE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL: ...Pay particular attention to this principle. It has worked miracles in my life. It was only after reaching my goal weight of 135 pounds that I came to understand the critical importance of environmental control. I call it practicing "the common sense of self-defense," and it has not only enabled me to lose the weight - but to keep it off.

    Finally, I realized that the typical "here's a diet...now stick to it" line from the doctors simply wasn't enough. I faced the fact that willpower, applied at the wrong point, had failed me for years. Willpower alone simply isn't enough. At least not in the conventional sense. I still cannot trust myself alone with a cheesecake. I am afraid I would eat the whole thing. So should I throw up my arms and give up? Or should I practice "the common sense of self-defense" - a conscious effort at environmental control where food is concerned - and NEVER ALLOW MYSELF TO BE ALONE WITH A CHEESECAKE!? You see, I have discovered that we fatties must look further than traditional willpower for a solution. We must implement a little ol' brainpower! We must determine which link is our weak link in the stimulus - response chain that leads to overeating. At which point in the chain can we expect our willpower to fail?

    After 20 years I faced the fact that I simply can't control myself once the maple bar is in my hand. At that point, it is not my fault if I eat it. It is literally beyond my control. Like the alcoholic sitting at a bar with his favorite drink in front of him, once that stupid maple bar is in my hand, I am a goner. BUT...I DID have control before I bought the greasy sucker. Or before I walked into the store. Or before I got out of my car. Of before I stepped into my car. Heck, I knew I was going to buy that life-wrecking hunk of sugar and grease before I sneaked out of my house. That is where willpower must be applied!

    When the first wicked thought of excess calories enters the brain - that is the place to nip it! Benjamin Franklin said "It is easier to suppress the first desire than to satisfy all that follow it." And Mark Twain said "It is easier to stay out than to get out." So I have made a comittment to me: I am Rosemary. I am a foodaholic. I must never again go into a grocery store alone...If I follow that rule, I will never again buy a stupid maple bar. "The common sense of self-defense." The sweet sound of thin and healthy for life! You see, I have become like the alcoholic who was smart enough to get out of the tavern!

    Think of the extremes to which a basketball coach goes to win a game. He makes his team carefully scrutinize a videotape of their latest game. They study each move. They discuss each player's strengths and weaknesses. They plan strategies and play sot improve their next game. Their next game. All this planning and scheming...for a GAME!
    Anyway, that's my thoughts on a Tuesday morning...
  • I very much control my environment... no cookies, no chocolate, no chocolate chips even are in my house (I almost convinced myself into buying some, I didn't). I don't even have cereal in my house. I cannot control them if I start... But for some reason, I can often ignore all this stuff at a party or what not. I know it's there, but I try and keep myself occupied... I also don't even taste the goodies at a party ... sounds extreme, but my lack of willpower comes with earlier bad choices usually, but if I don't start, I don't crave (we'll take out PMS or extreme stress here). I don't start so I can stick with my goals... I didn't eat a chocolate bar for over 6 months in 2001. I didn't miss chocolate... but when I started tasting it again, I needed it all the time.

    I was very good at stratagizing what to eat before events... I went to a wedding which had a 6 course meal, I ate half of each course, I was satisfied. I planned treats to have something to look forward too... that took away the allure of junk food (I lost the majority of my weight during my last year of University where junk foods abound). Perhaps all this is why I could turn down stuff without feeling deprived. Yet I guess if I went to an event without a stratagy and with no long-term goals I am sure my willpower would have failed me. Maybe that's why people always tell me they admire my willpower, I just never thought of it in those terms.

    Cheers!

    Ali


    It's funny, I still have the habit of opening the fridge door and poking around, I then remind myself to grab a breverage... Some habits die hard...
  • The habit that I have is when I go to my mother's... the first place I look is in the cupboard for the cookie box! I never do it in my own home... just at my parents ... Then I slam the door shut, I NEVER go to my parents hungry, because that is where I head to, and they ALWAYS have cookies... Then my mom will say just have ONE!! Sorry Ma no can do!! You'd never ever guess that they are both diabetic too...Go figure, I've given up talking about it to them, they are worse than kids... Yep, Ali old habits die hard, I've been away from the house for 22 years...

    I have strategies now too when I go to parties and outings...People also tell my I have "willpower", but I don't feel I do at all...
  • Environmental control is an important key for me as well - but in a different way. I still have "bad" foods in my apartment (ice cream, chocolate creme wafers, chips, chocolate), but I don't eat them very often... when I'm alone. My "environmental" eating problem is being around other people who are eating. I haven't gone out of my way to avoid those situations, but I'm naturally a loner and since getting my own apartment, it hasn't been much of a problem (until I go visit family ).

    I'm not yet at goal and I've never lost weight before, so it's hard for me to imagine what maintaining will be like. I tend to expect that it'll be pretty much the same as now. I eat well and exercise most of the time, but I have off days - so when I see the scale go up a few pounds, I'll be more strict with myself. Maintenance doesn't scare me (yet) - unless I consider that my life could change in numerous ways (like getting married, having kids, etc.) and then I'll have to adapt my current "strategies" to new situations. That does scare me a bit.

    As for what has kept me going so far - I think it's the goal (thinner, healthy, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound ) and the hope that I can actually reach it. I never really believed I could do it before, but now I know it can be done, through proper eating and exercise. And it helps to see what others have already accomplished and feeds my hope for my future.