New Phase Sheets Dated May 2014
 

Hi All
I apologize for posting these phase sheet as the have not officially been rolled out and are only being "tested" in a few places. I hope everyone will continue to use the sheets given to you by your coaches, or the ones posted daily by Lisa. It was not my intention to confuse anyone or to interfere with the great success everyone has with this plan!! Again my sincere apologies!!

You're the best!

Oh man, with spinach and cucumbers on the special greens list, I don't know how I'm going to make 4 cups a day... More zucchini!

Thanks for posting this. After reviewing the new phase 1 sheet I have a lot of questions for my coach, although I'd be interested in hearing other opinions as well. My biggest question is this: do we need to change what we're doing to fit with the new rules or can we continue doing what we've been doing?

My biggest issues with the new sheets are regarding spinach and eggs. I often rely on spinach as an easy vegetable, but now that it is a freebie, should I not count it as a select vegetable? And the serving size of eggs just changed from 4 whole & 2 egg whites to 2 whole & 4 egg whites. If I have to follow that, I don't think I'll be eating eggs as much.

Hmmmm...I didn't get think of the unlimiteds as not "counting" ...mushrooms, cukes and spinach are a huge part of my daily veggies. But nice to know that I can up some of these new unlimiteds if I get the hungries!

Interesting each mention of a MAXIMUM of two cups veggies!

I read it as they still count if they are not a small portion of your salad:?:. They are still listed in the veggie section, and lettuce is not listed.

Most of my main veggies are those unlimited. This would have made phase 1 so much easier when I was on it.

thanks for sharing

I didn't notice until pointed out but they cut the eggs from 4 to 2 pluse 4 egg whites. That wil be a big switch because I am not sure how filling I would find this for dinner now as an option.

I guess we will all be having converstations with our coaches this week. Mine didn't mention the change in eggs last week, just the veggies.

I have to say part of me doesn't want to change what has been working so well.

It seems as though those other veggies are unlimited in raw form only. Hope someone who had a really GOOD coach can get some insight since just how it is stated on the sheet leaves it open for dome interpretation!

I see the biggest change in going from 4 whole eggs/2 whites as a meat protein substitute down to 2 whole/4 whites!! Makes me wonder why such a large discrepancy, how they came to the first amount in the first place and how the larger amount may have impacted losses!

It is interesting because I only lost 5.6 lbs in my second and third week combined and I lost 4.5 lbs in 4th week. I ate eggs for dinner a good bit in the two weeks where my losses were slower. I know my losses are going to differ from week to week, but it makes me wonder...

Thanks Naenae. Do you know if the Alternative Phases protocols changed as well for different phases?

I'm curious too, but I am all alternatives now so no coach. I have used a lot of those now "unlimited" raw veggies as my veggies, but I'm lucky I don't have any problem eating all my vegetables I could eat more I LOVE THEM. The egg change is curious, although my sheet from my coach 3 months ago says 2 whole, 4 white... Like I said on the daily thread my brother started this week and the coach changed his sheet, he highlighted the eggs, said it was a mistake and that 4 whole and 2 whites was the protocol, however I don't know if his sheet is new or old.

My weight is always up the day after I have eggs for dinner. It always goes back down, but there is something about eggs that makes my weight go up.

I have always done eggs 4 whole 2 whites. I will feel back wasting all those yokes. :(

I never noticed any changes in my weight with eating eggs and loved to combine them with turkey bacon. Yum!

This will force me to get my veggies in at lunch. Sometimes I graze or I'm too busy to eat everything so I have the second cup while I make dinner and the second two for dinner. Today is one of those days! Now the dilemma is whether to skip it or pretendI didn't know the rules have changed.

I often email the IP rep that trained my coach directly since my coach is new and I was the test group. If we have some questions, I can ask her.

Interesting - nice to add the unlimited raw salad veggies in P1.
I don't think most people ate more than 2 cups of the select veg per meal, did they? I never did. If I was hungry I chose the bulky ones, if not hungry I chose the alfalfa raw , mushrooms or spinach cooked down.
I never could eat 4 eggs & 2 whites for a meal I always did 3 whole eggs. Once in a while when it was on sale, I bought a carton of free range egg whites and did 2 eggs & 3 egg whites. If you don't like wasting the yolk, that's probably the best way to go. Buy the usual dozen then also buy a carton of whites.

Phase 3 breakfast sounds deceptive - they are now telling you you must have an Ideal Complete in addition to regular protein at breakfast. Totally unnecessary. Sounds like a cash grab to me, lol. :mad: Thanks ChipNDip for posting.
Liana

This EGG QUESTION is an interesting one... Is the new sheet a mistake or the previous???

I have to wonder if phase three is a mistake to? The ideal complete is supposed the be a phase three meal replacement. Having both that and a meal would be crazy.

I'm Canadian, so I can say this ;) do you think it is getting lost in translation? Lots of French people at IP! :D

Blame Chef Daniel Verati, pourquoi non?
:chef:

Liana

I hope it's a mistake. Makes me think about when WW switched to the PointsPlus plan. It was like hey everyone, unlimited fruits and veggies! But didn't really drill down that eating a lot more of those would affect your weight loss, and I know a lot of people that started having slower losses after the switch. Maybe I just had a bad WW coach. Anyway, this is probably not that extreme, but it's odd.

I did not interpret it that way... It says ie before the Ideal complete and other Bfast items listed. That means it is an example, not a must! Also, I think you would still need to add up all your numbers for protein, fat, etc to match the required numbers. It almost looks like it is listing it as part of a meal, but then it would not be complete! Very odd, but not a requirement!

New Phase 3 sheet actually says in a box just above the Protein, Veggies, Occasional lists:
"1 Ideal Complete Packet per day.
Drink a minimum of 2L (64 oz) of water per day.
2 teaspoons of olive oil or grape seed extract oil."

This is shown separate from the 'Snack' description box that says "1 Ideal Protein Food."

Sounds like it is a requirement to me. :?:

Liana

Oh YEAH... I see it now. They DEFINITELY do not like that Phase three is the beginning of the end of the client buying products!! Up until now, it was not needed and now it is. Hmmmmm! I am sure they have a very solid reason to share, but bottom line, they lose sales by moving people into Phase 3 and 4!

Ok... I know the first posts indicates these were sent by IP corporate... Has ANYONE had a coach give these out or verify??? On another IP board, a couple people have specifically said their coach said it is not correct (Phase 1 sheet)! I know not all coaches stay connected closely with IP, but just thought some additional coach feedback would be worthwhile!

It is in black and white and not the typical color of IP Phase sheets....

ANYONE??

That's kind of what I was wondering, my brother was literally in on Monday and this isn't his sheet...

Someone on here had posted a month ago there were new sheets in May, but then we never got confirmation of that from anyone else...

I'm going to miss my WI next week, but the week following I plan to take the sheet into my coach and ask. I'm just planning on staying with what I've been doing in the meantime.

I am assuming (just assuming) that there were some "cholesterol" concerns expressed by someone somewhere. Eggs are one of those things, like coffee, that is either "in" and "good for you" or will lead you straight to some disease. So that's my guess.

I say the easiest thing is to use the egg white in a carton to supplement your eggs. When I do deviled eggs, however, I will still boil 4 but only use 2 egg yolks and then mash one of the "whites' in with it to fill (using a WF dressing or mayo) It would still give 6 half eggs on a plate. Omelettes etc won't look that different either.

We're always behind 3FC at my office by months so my coach will be surprised by the info. But as for the colour, my copier at work is only black and white so if the person was scanning it to attach as an email or to make a copy, that's what it would look like.

As for everyone's comments about "do I need to change if what I'm doing is working for me?" -- I say that's a discussion for you and your coach. I see it as a positive step for those people who never felt full enough -- they feel okay about which things they can have more of. If what you're doing is satisfying, working, and you feel good on it, I wouldn't be stressed about changing until more of us talk to coaches to find out the "why's". What's that old adage: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

It hasn't changed that much. I think they have learned some thongs overtime like spring mix leaves are just like lettuce so they are allowing them now. Phase three is a little confusing but phase one isn't that different. I couldn't ever eat 4 eggs anyway!

It is odd though that none of us have received these from our coaches when it came out in May.

I wonder if they have some "pilot" centres where they try things out to see how the weight loss goes. When they see how results go, then they spread the good news to everyone -- or kibosh it if it wasn't as good?

I remember once someone posting that their clinic was a no-cheat 100% OP only clinic because they had some direct link to head office or something. If you could not agree to buy all the products and be 100% then they did refuse to have you as a client. I thought it was pretty strict but if it was a "pilot" office, they did need to have accurate results, which made a bit of sense about the "strict" part. .... That's just me "thinking" and not any "official" knowledge...maybe "pilot project" is just in my head...

Well I hope someone asks soon, I messaged my coach but since I don't technically see him anymore I don't know that he'll get back to me.

hummm, I started June 3rd, but this is not the Phase 1 sheet I received...

Does Anyone have the sheet for the Diabetic version?

OK - Today I called IP Corporate...

I am not completely convinced that the person I talked to was completely on top of things. She was in the client relations department, but also seemed just a touch confused when looking for specific info on the Phase Sheets I was asking about.

BUT - she said that there are NOT any new sheets since either April 2014 or January 2014 (she stated both dates and I never got clarity which it was). I asked her if the April sheet had the section at the top about Unlimited lettuce and what it listed and the RAW veggies statement. She said it did not.

She of course cautioned that nothing posted on any non-IP site should be taken as the truth (which I didn't argue but of course know that often here we get better info than we sometimes do from coaches!)

I did get from her that there are some impending changes to the sheets coming out, but she would not give me any dates or projections.

I also sent an email to Corporate to what I think is a different person who has responded (very quickly in the past) to some people's complaints about poor treatment at clinics. I will post what I hear back.

Soooooo...... At this point, everyone can draw their own conclusions. (I will cross-post this on the Daily Chat too!)

(I am wondering if the original poster actually got this by calling the 800 number of a clinic and this is perhaps their own "House Rules" version... I PM'd her to get more info!)

Here's the old sheets to Alternative version they just have to be changed to include tofu as a protein, and also all protein is 8 oz. Eggs may or may not have changed (after reading more on this thread) go for 2 eggs & 4 whites when in doubt lots of protein & lower in fat.
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/4600703-post36.html

That is possible, though I did see this floating around a FB group I follow a day or two before it showed up here so she may not be the original original source.

Hi All
I apologize for posting these phase sheet as they have not officially been rolled out and are only being "tested" in a few places. I hope everyone will continue to use the sheets given to you by your coaches, or the ones posted daily by Lisa. It was not my intention to confuse anyone or to interfere with the great success everyone has with this plan!! Again my sincere apologies!!

I have a feeling, NaeNae, that they will for sure be using the 'unlimited' raw salad veggies everywhere PDQ as I think a lot of clinics already do this as their own variation (although mine didn't). No worries, girl! Made for an interesting past few days on the forum and I bet IP headquarters was wondering about all the calls they had gotten, lol. :D

Liana