Alternatives for Phase 1 "talk"
 

I am not the original poster of the original thread but since it is over 500 post it will be closed shortly. I wanted to make sure that you all still had a place to post and chat. I named it wrong....oops its suppose to be Alternative products that will work on Phase 1.

IF YOU HAVE TRIED and know it works, please respond with the product and your results.

I am hoping this thread won't get too buried in chat. I have tried to read the old alternative thread posts, and even as an experienced forum user, it is a bit overwhelming to read everything trying to pull out the essentials.! :dizzy:

Maybe we can get this to be something a little more reference and user friendly???

so can we still access the other posts on this? I am doing alternative and would like to get some idea.

thank you!.I am sure you know, but just want to tell you...Your success is such an inspiration. Congratulations.

The idea of alternatives really scares me? Is it really okay?

I buy bars from Nashua. Proti-thin Carmel nut and peanut butter crisp. They are exactly the same only have less sodium which is good for me.

Yay alternative thread! Wuv, you know me, always working on something ;) DH and I are working on the motorcycle right now, but once that's done I can try to rock out the recipe book, after that I'll try digging through the original alternatives that work thread and try to piece together a pdf of the results.

a pdf with ideas would be terrific! i have a friend who has done alternatives since january and has lost 50 pounds. she had me get some protien powder at target and bars (pure protien) I dont know the powders because the names came off when I opened the containers. Anyways, would love to have ideas for other things since I imagine I will be doing this for at least 3 or 4 months.
Thanks!

Eas Carb Advantedge shakes are ok. Thinner and less yummy than the IP RTDs. Chocolate Fudge flavor is better than the milk chocolate. Vanilla is ok, haven't tried the strawberry. I pretty much stick to IP products, but at $6 for a pack of 4 at Walmart, I use these as my fourth packet on days I exercise alot.

Would these be considered restricted?
PureProtein - S'mores
Serving Size - 1 bar
Calories 180
Fat 5g
Carbs 20g
Protein 25g

What about this as a replacement for IP?
PureProtein - Vanilla Cream
Serving Size - 1 scoop
Calories 140
Fat 2.5g
Carbs 3g
Protein 25g

I've been alternating the EAS Carb Advantage Shakes with the PureProtein Shakes. Thanks!

I think anything over 8 carbs is restricted

A geneal rule for determining restricted is more than 8 grams of carbohydrates. So, the S'mores bar definitely would be, but the Vanilla Cream (I'm assuming this is a scoop of protein powder) would not be restricted. When you get around 8 grams, it can be iffy.

There are no real rules because Ideal Protein has calculated and predetermine this and limits everything to just their foods. Their program requires no checking ot calculations. It is trickier with alternatives, it requires some research and analysis especially in checking nutritional information.

Molly

Great thank you!

The chocolate drink is 9 grams of carbs, so anything over that number is considered restricted.

Just wanted to put that out there so people don't worry about the chocolate drink being restricted! :)

http://www.centsablediet.com/recommendedproducts.htm

found this site if anyone is interested

I use the pure protein bars, and some other protein powders too. The bars should be counted as a restricted for sure. I had one for lunch a little while ago. They taste great to me and are waaaay more affordable.

Yeah I'm working on a recipe book from all the forums right now, 14 pages per thread, with 40 (or so) recipes per page, and we have 3 groups, so that's my "baby" right now. Keep hounding me about an alternatives suggestions though and I'll definitely get one put together in the future. I keep track of the alternative products I eat on my blog and write reviews as I go, although lately I've been broke so just using the cheap powder I have.

also http://www.dietdirect.com , specifically wonderslim, bariwise and proti-diet.

Haha, another broke person here; what is the "cheap powder" that you have? I am always looking for inexpensive powders that taste decent. I've got some from GNC (not too bad tasting); I've got some from "Body Fortress", again, not too bad tasting (it was on sale last week for <$20 for a huge tub; and I have some Pure Protein which I haven't actually tried yet.

This is an awesome site!!! I understand Ideal wanting people to follow protocol, but being a person who have had little money myself, I can understand when you want to lose weight that you need to be able to find affordable ways.

Hmmm...which bars do you use? WHere do you get pure protein bars?

I use the pure protein bars as well .... you can get them at Walmart or Target ... they are at CVS as well but far more expensive. The chocolate and the chocolate peanutbutter are yummy ... the cookie dough one I am not in love with but it isn't non-edible either.

Has anyone done this one? Or tried his plan?

I just looked at his website. His 'plan' is basically what a lot of us on alternatives are already doing. Many of us use these same alternative products already, we just have been buying them through different sources. I don't see any new alternative products here - just another possible source.

He's selling his secrets on Ebay. Which I think is a joke. That's how I came across it.

Ok,So is there a way that someone can post which items are restricted, which are non restricted and where I can I find a copy of the plan for alternatives?

You'd have to compare the nutritional label values of each item to the comparable IP item, and see whether it would be classed as restricted or unrestricted. There was a spreadsheet around a few months ago that listed some of this info... if you do a search you can probably locate it. Not sure if it's up to date though.

I guess we can give him an 'A' for trying. Actually, if someone was starting out brand new and hadn't already taken the time to search out all these alternative products, buying his 'new package' would be a useful short cut. I like how he's linked each product into the page that shows the nutritional label values. At least all the info needed is in one place here.

Today was WI#7 for me...down 19.2 pounds. I have only ever used alternative products. I mostly use the pureprotein chocolate drink, I can't stand the powder. I also always have the vanilla drink on hand but the chocolate is my favourite. I have also used Optimum Gold Standard vanilla powder and Premier shakes from Costco (has more cals.) I also love the pureprotein bars - chocolate flavour. Hope this helps!

I found it!!

Foxxy,
Read through the restricted thread - that's what I did and you can skim it quickly, sort of. I live in teh US and use Nashua Nutrition focusing mainly on Proti-Diet, Proti-Thin products but also buy some HealthSmart and some WeightLoss Systems (all from Nashua). However there are others too - just trying to help. I use GNC Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein powder for shakes.

The Alternative approach is really the same as IP - just use 3 of their packages/day in place of IP. Many alternatives have a little less protein than IP, so count that and you may want to add an extra couple of ounces to your dinner to be sure you are getting all the recommended protein and staying within the carb requirements (which I think is a max of 30 carbs/day for phase 1 - can anyone else validate that?).

Thanks Wuv for opening the new thread. I had tried to keep the the thread called Alternative Discussions Here going each day but people kept opening new alternative threads and so I just gave up after a while.

Pat

OK, Pure Protein bars: the only ones I can find are loaded with carbs (seems like 19-20 grams). Which ones are you guys using?

Also, finally tried the Pure Protein Vanilla, it was decent. May make it thicker on occasion. I am also really liking the Body Fortress protein powder that I got; I buy it at K-Mart of all places, for $18.99 for 27 servings. Each serving has 26gr protein, 4 carbs, 140 cals.

The GNC stuff that I have has 20gr protein, 2 carbs and 80 cals -- I won't be buying this one again as it's pricey. I bought something else from them at first, before I finished my research. It was very high in carbs and pretty low in protein. Returned it and exchanged it for this chocolate stuff instead.

So far I am happy with the products I've gotten, but then again, my husband says I'll eat "anything"...

phoenix

Edited to add: think I found the answer to my own question about Pure Protein bars: are you all subtracting the sugar alcohols + fiber? That leaves 10 carbs, which is more palatable; these are used as restricted, yes?

SO I thought I was doing so good with puddings, thinking they were low in
With that, what do people buy, outside of drinks, that are low carb?

I used South Beach bars as my evening snack; they aren't fantastic, but I like them. I've been shopping and shopping for a bar to use. I am thinking of trying the Pure Protein, due to the edit in my original post.

phoenix

So when it says Sugars you're subtracting that or just Sugar Alcohols?

I think they only subtract it if it says specifically "sugar alcohols". If you look at the label for one of those bars (I did it through Google), it lists "sugar" and "sugar alcohols", 2 separate things.

I've never subtracted sugar alcohols, but I do subtract fiber: that's why I chose the SB bars. They have, if I remember correctly 14 carbs, and 6 grams fiber. It just squeeks under the limit I think.

phoenix

help--newbie here!
 

I just learned about this IP program two days ago.....It seems to be pretty user friendly....I'm interested in the Alternatives options for financial reasons mostly.... I've done a little research and have one question..

what is the Ideal Protein envelope...is that where you are replacing the protein bars and shakes that I have read about in the threads?

I'm anxious to start this journey...just want to know what tools I need! thanks for your help.

A.

IP Food comes in a foil looking envelope, so yes thats what we're replacing.

Are you looking at the 1.76oz.bar or the large size bar? The 1.76 bar is 16-18 grams. I use these as my restricted for the day.

These are the Pure Protein Bars.