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  • 1200 cals a day is outside the IP protocol. If you havent read the IP literature or even better Dr Tran's book it explains that because we are burning fat our bodies use it much like consuming foods. For me at a 5#/week average im consuming around 3500 cals a day. Only 800-900 of this is from food. You would likely still lose at 1200 cal a day but more like WW where 5# a month may be the average on a good month. But as the others have said you seem to be missing a package and for me personally the restricteds are vital to keeping me from being hungry.
  • Quote: Hmm when I use the My Fitness Pal app it looks like following everyones advice I end up at 862 Calories. That's with adding 2 egg whites from hard boiled eggs (didn't eat yolks).

    And you guys are right I was using the bars as my third protein of the day and when they said no restricted I just didn't think to replace it with something non restricted. Menu last week was the same except around 3-4pm I would have a bar to tide me over.

    So much good advice, WI #3 on Friday so we'll see how it goes. For now I'll add that third packet.

    So for alternatives what things do you guys use? It's getting a little expensive for me to constantly be buying their products

    My Fiance uses the Protein from Costco...think the company is Premier Nutrition, you get a ton more shakes for approximately $30, they are 11 oz instead of 8 oz and they almost identical in Carbs/Fat/Sugar. Does anyone else use them?
    Although the carbs/fat/sugar is important the protein is far more important. You need the protein to keep from losing lean muscle mass. You can have the bar at any time of the day. I eat them for lunch all the time. Just dont have 2 restricteds in a day.
  • Quote: Hmm when I use the My Fitness Pal app it looks like following everyones advice I end up at 862 Calories. That's with adding 2 egg whites from hard boiled eggs (didn't eat yolks).

    And you guys are right I was using the bars as my third protein of the day and when they said no restricted I just didn't think to replace it with something non restricted. Menu last week was the same except around 3-4pm I would have a bar to tide me over.

    So much good advice, WI #3 on Friday so we'll see how it goes. For now I'll add that third packet.

    So for alternatives what things do you guys use? It's getting a little expensive for me to constantly be buying their products

    My Fiance uses the Protein from Costco...think the company is Premier Nutrition, you get a ton more shakes for approximately $30, they are 11 oz instead of 8 oz and they almost identical in Carbs/Fat/Sugar. Does anyone else use them?

    yep, I have used them from nearly the beginning... love them!
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    So much good advice, WI #3 on Friday so we'll see how it goes. For now I'll add that third packet.
    The 3rd packet is not an option, you have to have it otherwise your calorie count is too low and you will stall your weight loss.

    My day generally looks like this:
    B- bar and tea
    L- soup or protein drink and 2 cups of veggies
    D- 8oz protein and 2 cups of veggies
    snack before bed: IP pudding shake

    You have to make sure you get all of your water in, olive oil and salt.

    I have been 100% OP since last September and cheating is NOT an option. Just make sure you get in all of your food and you shouldn't be hungry till you hit about the 3 to 4 hour mark after your last meal. Hang in there, IP works if you fulfill all of the daily requirements.
  • Have some coffee/tea! The warmth of it will fill you up. Also yes, egg whites are allowed and they only have 0.24 carbs each so you can have plenty.
  • Quote: Hmm when I use the My Fitness Pal app it looks like following everyones advice I end up at 862 Calories. That's with adding 2 egg whites from hard boiled eggs (didn't eat yolks).

    And you guys are right I was using the bars as my third protein of the day and when they said no restricted I just didn't think to replace it with something non restricted. Menu last week was the same except around 3-4pm I would have a bar to tide me over.

    So much good advice, WI #3 on Friday so we'll see how it goes. For now I'll add that third packet.

    So for alternatives what things do you guys use? It's getting a little expensive for me to constantly be buying their products

    My Fiance uses the Protein from Costco...think the company is Premier Nutrition, you get a ton more shakes for approximately $30, they are 11 oz instead of 8 oz and they almost identical in Carbs/Fat/Sugar. Does anyone else use them?

    I understand what you mean by expense...that is why it is important to stay on protocol so you can get done quickly. It's more expensive to not do protocol correctly and have slow weight loss than to do it correctly and lose as much as you can quickly.

    I do have some tips in using non restrictives. To keep from feeling bored, doctor up some of your foods and use some of the recipes that they have here in 3FC. For me, I use the crispy cereal and make pancakes in the morning. It uses two egg whites so it keeps me pretty full in the morning. Also, I use the omelet in the morning with 1 cup of spinach to help me. The omelet keeps me full too. You can try making your pudding packets into cookies or cakes so that you "FEEL" like you are having a restrictive, but you are not, plus you have the added egg whites to keep you feeling satiated.

    Another thing is that you can break up your vegetables and use them throughout the day as long as you are getting your 4 cups. Maybe Zucchini Chips? I know Dill Pickles save the day for me!

    It is true that you need the protein to build muscles. I just began adding my Xtend (Branch Chain Amino Acid drink 0/0/0) which is a sports drink that helps in rebuild muscle and reducing fatigue. Because proteins are important in that they break down into amino acids. With this drink, they are already amino acids so that may also help with retaining lean muscle as well. Amino Acids are the building blocks of muscle. Something to consider as well. But protein and Amino Acids are the most important part.

    Here are the recipes I suggested above. Hope this helps:

    Crispy Cereal Pancake

    1 packet Crispy Cereal crunched up. i use a rolling pin right over the package
    2 egg whites
    1/4 tsp baking powder
    1/4 tsp vanilla
    1/4 tsp cinnamon
    1/4 tsp nutmeg

    mix together cook like a pancake
    eat w/wf maple syrup or other wf products


    Pudding Cookies

    Prep is following the pudding cake recipe with some changes:

    oven at 375

    1 egg white (I think I used slightly more because I have a carton and used 4tbsp and it says 3tbsp is one egg white)
    2 oz water
    fold in pudding packet

    on cookie sheet (with wax paper or with pam) spoon (I used a tbsp measure) mixture onto sheet and spread in a flat circle (if you just mound it you will get little puffs)

    cook at 350 for 20 to 30 min
    half way through, flip the 'cookies' over and squish down with a spatula (they will puff up during cooking)

    They are crispy first out of the oven, but get chewy over time. They keep well tho.

    You could make a few of these ahead of time. Bring them in a baggy and when at camping reheat/recrisp by the fire.

    Pudding Cakes

    -Preheat oven to 350 degrees
    -In a blender, combine (2) egg whites, (1) t. vanilla and 2 oz. of water. Blend well
    -Pour liquid contents into a bowl, and gently fold in pudding packet. I usually add a little powder, mix it up, add a little more, etc... The final result is a "batter" similar to brownies. And yes, I lick the bowl and spoon
    -To bake, I use (2) small corning ware dishes, you could also make them in a muffin tin, and divide them into (3) equal muffins. I spray the bottom of the dish with Pam so the cakes won't stick.

    The cakes will get VERY large while baking, and will deflate when cooling. If you put too much batter into a small baking dish, your cakes will literally explode in the oven. It is VERY important to only fill the baking dish or muffin tin 1/2 way. Which is why you will get 2 small cakes or 3 muffins.

    -Bake at 350 for 15-16 minutes. Let cool and enjoy a mini cake.

    (2) notes:
    1). I have only tried this with Lemon, Butterscotch and Vanilla puddings. They have all turned out excellect! I haven't tried with Chocolate because I don't really care for the chocolate pudding, it is very chalky to me.
    2). If you are making the cakes in a muffin tin, fill the empty muffin "holes" with water so that the cakes bake evenly.

    Zucchini "Apple" Chips

    Using a mandolin slice 1 small zucchini into slices between 1/16" and 1/8" (I did 1/16 but if you went a little thicker they would have some more bite to them). Lay them out on a silicone baking mat or parchment lined cookie sheet. Sprinkle with your choice of seasonings:
    Sweet: 1 pkt Splenda mixed with cinnamon
    Savory: Sea Salt and seasoning of your choice (I used a lemon herb seasoning)
    Bake at 350 for 10-15 minutes checking frequently. Mine turned a little brown in the middle but they weren't burnt, just crunchy and delicious!! (if you're using a silicone baking sheet bake for 10-15 min and then turn so the other side will dry out, return to oven and bake another 3-5 minutes).
  • Quote: It's weird I have dreams that I go off program, which is how my brain is dealing with it! I have a hard boiled egg (with salt) in the afternoon if I am really hungry and then redistribute the protein amount I have at dinner.
    I HATE those dreams. I have been having them off and on. I have never cheated and have no urge to. The dreams make me angry because in the dream I keep saying...this isn't allowed and it is going to make me miserable.
  • Quote: I HATE those dreams. I have been having them off and on. I have never cheated and have no urge to. The dreams make me angry because in the dream I keep saying...this isn't allowed and it is going to make me miserable.
    If you're going to feel guilty, you should at least have something to feel guilty about! Crazy dreams!!!
  • Ok well my home scale still seems to be moving in the right direction and yesterday I did add egg whites to take care of a hungry spell. And also my third packet as well. Today more of the same. Crossing my fingers for a BIG weight drop lol...well aren't we all.

    Thanks everyone!

    P.S. Does anyone use any other types of protein bars as an alternative and have success? I really LOVE the bars for a snack...they seemed like cheating because I got a little taste of chocolate or carmel but thank goodness it wasn't!! My coach said to not have them for this week and boy do i miss them.
  • I had those dreams constantly in the first 3 weeks. I would wake up in a panic thinking I just screwed myself over, and I always ate by "accident" kind of like I'd realise too late that I just ate a plate of fries or a tortilla wrap.... haha it was always such a relief to wake up and remember that I did not eat that for real! Glad those dreams happen less often they drove me nuts!
  • I'd try adding a large salad with your lunch- it really helps me.

    If you go to the What are you eating XXXX day you'll see what a number of us are eating every day.

    My typical day looks like:
    B: Pudding Smoothie, 1-2 Cups coffee (1 with 1oz RTD as a creamer)
    L: Salad with 2C veggies + EVOO + some salt
    S: Bar/Soy Puffs
    D: 6oz cooked meat, 2 C veggies
    S: Pudding Smoothie

    I also drink Mio, between 2-4 large cups between my salad and bar time. It helps me feel full. With that, I drink about 192oz of water daily (which includes my Mio + water).

    There are also days where I am STARVING and I will have a 4th packet.

    As for the cheating: I did once and it wasn't because I was hungry, but because it was just there. I was making lunches for my boys and the Sunbutter smelled SO good. I ended up eating 2-3 tablespoons and had three days of the worst diarrhea I've ever had. DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!
  • Quote: I'd try adding a large salad with your lunch- it really helps me.

    If you go to the What are you eating XXXX day you'll see what a number of us are eating every day.

    My typical day looks like:
    B: Pudding Smoothie, 1-2 Cups coffee (1 with 1oz RTD as a creamer)
    L: Salad with 2C veggies + EVOO + some salt
    S: Bar/Soy Puffs
    D: 6oz cooked meat, 2 C veggies
    S: Pudding Smoothie

    I also drink Mio, between 2-4 large cups between my salad and bar time. It helps me feel full. With that, I drink about 192oz of water daily (which includes my Mio + water).

    There are also days where I am STARVING and I will have a 4th packet.

    As for the cheating: I did once and it wasn't because I was hungry, but because it was just there. I was making lunches for my boys and the Sunbutter smelled SO good. I ended up eating 2-3 tablespoons and had three days of the worst diarrhea I've ever had. DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!
    Everyone talks about the MIO for drinks..i avoid because I can't have caffeine, but also because my coach said they are finding that there are hidden sugars in those
  • Quote: Everyone talks about the MIO for drinks..i avoid because I can't have caffeine, but also because my coach said they are finding that there are hidden sugars in those
    Mine don't have caffeine in them and if there are hidden sugars in them I'm not seeing it. I drink an insane amount (like 90oz) a day (which rounds my water intake out to about 192oz) and still lose good amounts (4.6 this week).
  • Quote: Mine don't have caffeine in them and if there are hidden sugars in them I'm not seeing it. I drink an insane amount (like 90oz) a day (which rounds my water intake out to about 192oz) and still lose good amounts (4.6 this week).
    Wow that is amazing! Maybe I assumed they had caffeine because they said "energy" on them. Keep up the good work!
  • Quote: Hmm when I use the My Fitness Pal app it looks like following everyones advice I end up at 862 Calories. That's with adding 2 egg whites from hard boiled eggs (didn't eat yolks).

    And you guys are right I was using the bars as my third protein of the day and when they said no restricted I just didn't think to replace it with something non restricted. Menu last week was the same except around 3-4pm I would have a bar to tide me over.

    So much good advice, WI #3 on Friday so we'll see how it goes. For now I'll add that third packet.

    So for alternatives what things do you guys use? It's getting a little expensive for me to constantly be buying their products

    My Fiance uses the Protein from Costco...think the company is Premier Nutrition, you get a ton more shakes for approximately $30, they are 11 oz instead of 8 oz and they almost identical in Carbs/Fat/Sugar. Does anyone else use them?
    I will be using those shakes from Costco, my husband is now and I have tried the chocolate and like them, just don't care for vanilla, but I only like the IP ready to drinks choc shakes. I do not like any other non-restricted packs and the RTD are $30 for 6. I like $25 for 18 way better!! The calories are higher, but when I use them now I just drink half at breakfast and half at lunch then a RTD for a snack, unless I do a restricted which is about 3 days a week.