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Perpetualdiet 06-09-2011 11:15 AM

I use a lot of splenda, but I also switch it up with stevia (I bought PYoure? from whole foods - good, no bitterness!). My 2nd WI tomorrow so we will see if it matters!

coliep 07-10-2011 10:34 PM

Curious if there are any more thoughts on this. I have increased my splenda use in the last few days because I wanted something different to drink (I added splenda to decaf tea and had that (a lot) and I had a couple diet sodas sweetened with splenda. So, between that and my liberal use of hte veggies, I estimate that excluding the ideal protein foods themselves I am at around 35g carbs. Will I never hit ketosis at this rate if hte IP foods add another 20? I am trying to make this work but need it to be a livable solution . . .

Gika 07-10-2011 11:46 PM

I've been using stevia as my sweetener for many years now. At first it wasn't even approved by the FDA as a sweetener, it had to be sold as a 'nutritional supplement'. (it would have been too much competition for aspartame, a product that had been initially rejected by the FDA, but turned later into a money-making wonder capable of manipulating the FDA's will, apparently).
Anyway, so stevia does have a bitter aftertaste, to which i'm completely used to by now. When I signed up for this program I asked the physician who did my consultation if stevia consumption was ok, and she said that it was allowed as long as it was the kind of stevia that contains zero carbohydrates. Apparently there are some brands that, like splenda, contain >1 g carb. So, all of this just to say that make sure you check the label of the stevia packet if you decide to buy one. Also, it might be worth it to give it a shot and try to get used to the bitter after taste, as it is a natural product, as opposed to a synthetic chemical compound (sucralose), which we are consuming plenty of through the IP packets already.

Toothfairy4459 07-11-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnP (Post 3883588)
I'm not really sure I understand. If you don't feel Splenda should be avoided due to the chemicals why would you worry that it has 1 calorie or a gram of carbs per packet?

A gram of carbs isn't going to cause any problems. If it did, you would have to avoid all vegtables. I'm not an IP food expert but I'm guessing plenty of IP foods are not totally devoid of carbs either.

I'm of the opinion you shouldn't make dieting more difficult than it needs to be and the less stress and worry in your life - the better.

The number of carbs one needs to consume to exit ketosis is variable on the individual but the range is 50-100 grams of carbs per day. Thus - a couple splenda packets are not a big deal.

John,
Thanks for the great input and analogy:D

coliep 07-11-2011 08:28 AM

Things that make you go hmmm
 
Hmmmm, guess I should try to switch to Stevia. Which do you use? I was told both were ok on IP but I am sure they didn't think I would use 3-4 packets a day :/ Anyway, when at the store I was a bit confused by the Stevia options (stevia in the raw, truvia, a few other "via's") and I wasn't sure which one of those was the approved stevia so I stuck with Splenda. Now I am reconsidering.

Another question . . . does anyone know how to determine when you fall out of ketosis? This is day 5 for me, and I believe I should be in ketosis but I really have no idea. I have been too liberal with my veggies and had a few too many splenda packets, but otherwise have been good. I would like to assume I am in it, but after reading these threads last night and plugging in my nutritional data I am between 50-60 by my best estimate. This, according to the post above, could put me out of ketosis. Any way for me to know?

Gika 07-11-2011 12:58 PM

I use "Sweet Leaf". I find it at the local grocery store, but not where the other stevia brands are (truvia, etc), it's in the health foods isle.

As far as ketosis, I have no clue. I have wondered about it myself. I read many of the posts in here about it, and some people rely on the ketostix to test for it, while others seem to think that they are not reliable. So I ended up buying them just a few days ago. Out of all the times I've used them one time it showed I was NOT in ketosis, and the rest showed "trace". But I couldn't tell from how I felt. I'm starting a journal today to document things like that.. as I think that it probably differs from person to person. I, for one, don't have ketone breath, while others do.

champaignsupernova 07-11-2011 03:26 PM

Truvia is actually made with sugar and technically the worst out of all the sweetners (barring aspartame of course). Splenda in the packet has sugar in it as well/a carb whereas splenda in the bulk bags do not contain these ingredients.

Just an FYI from a bio-chemist....

wuv2bloved 07-11-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbel (Post 3883517)
Ok, so I tried the Stevia...ummm...yuk! Like bitter bitter yuk, I'm not sure I could replace splenda with it. I may have to go black in my coffee and just limit the splenda. :/


My mom drinks a lot of coffee and she tried putting the WF carmel syrup in her coffee and she did not even have to put her normal splenda in it. She said it was sweet enough with just the syrup...just a suggestion try it and let us know how you like it!

darbi40 07-12-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbel (Post 3876667)
I'm not using a limit currently (I need my tea to be sweetened) and I don't think I could cut that out until I absolutely have too (when there is a stall).

Quote:

Originally Posted by GramEGail (Post 3876162)
Is there a limit to how many Splenda/Stevia packs we can have per day?

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Originally Posted by JohnP (Post 3884271)
Showgilaz you clearly understand the psychology. Allow me to help you out with the physiology.

Carbs are protein sparing. Assuming someone doesn't decrease their protein intake, increasing carbs only makes it less likely muscle will be catabolized. Ketosis is not an on or off switch.

Personally - while I'm not big on the idea that splenda is dangerous in moderation at a certain point it isn't doing your body any favors. Rat studies showed adverse digestion effects at only 1.1 g per kg.

Thus if someone is consuming 5+ splenda packets a day + the splenda in IP packets + the splenda in IP foods ... well it seems to me this is a bigger problem than the extra 2.5 carbs in the 5 splenda packets.

I have been using splenda in my coffee and also in my ice tea. I probably use about 4 or 5 tsp a day. I'm still in ketosis as per the test strip last night, so as long as those strips are pink, I'll keep using the splenda.

Porthardygurl 07-12-2011 05:05 PM

So now what ???? Cause if splenda is not supposed to be consumed to more than two packets a day and you have say.....an arizona iced tea stix drink mix...which contains splenda..then how much do you have for the day????? do you cut it out or what??


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