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Misti in Seattle 06-15-2006 12:24 AM

Nothing to "admit" to D... I'm not a Catholic but I agree with you :)

Ariannas 06-20-2006 03:55 PM

Yoga is used for relaxation and flexibility. It's only about religion if you make it about religion. If you choose to make it a peaceful time to get with God than that is your choice. We as Christians are supposed to spend time during our day meditating on the Word, Yoga is a great opportunity to do this.

It also has a great many health benefits and, whether your goal is enlightenment, revelation, relaxation, simple clarity or low blood pressure, the process of mediation puts you in touch with something good and quietly profound, it centers you. In Yoga, the body is treated with care and respect for it is the primary instrument in man's work and growth. Yoga Exercises improve circulation, stimulate the abdominal organs, and put pressure on the glandular system of the body, which can generally result to better health.
The paragraphs in green are from the following website, http://www.abc-of-yoga.com/beginners...whatisyoga.asp
Breathing techniques were developed based on the concept that breath is the source of life. In Yoga, students gain breathing control as they slowly increase their breathing. By focusing on their breathing, they prepare their minds for the next step - Meditation.

There is a general misconception that in Meditation, your mind has to go blank. It doesn't have to be so. In Meditation, students bring the activities of the mind into focus resulting in a 'quiet' mind. By designing physical poses and Breathing Techniques that develop awareness of our body, Yoga helps us focus and relieves us from our everyday stress.


So you see, it can be a spiritual thing if you want it to, or it can just be done for the health benefits.

Don't worry about what others think, if it's something that can help you and your health, than try it. It can never hurt to give it a try.

kaplods 06-20-2006 06:16 PM

In I Corinthians (Chapters 8 - 10), scripture talks of meat sacrificed to idols, that in spirit speaks to this, I believe. Early Christians asked Paul if they could sharing meals with pagan friends and family. Often, the meat involved in the meal would have been sacrificed to idols first. So did sharing a meal amount to taking part in idol-worship? He replied in I Corinthians Chapter 8.

I take this to mean, that you can't "accidentally" pray to idols or false gods. And that you should not participate in non-Christian activities such as eating meat sacrificed to idols (or practice yoga, or participating in celebrations with pagan origins such as Halloween or Easter events involving "the bunny") if it will lead you others from Christ. Most Americans do not see Yoga (or the other activities mentioned) as practice of religious, so it is unlikely that you will lead other Christians astray by participating. You know if your faith is not strong enough to withstand exposure to other belief and value systems.

Personally, although this us just my opinion, I would argue that if your faith can't stand up to yoga, it probably can't stand up to the average television commercial (which is full of implied and overt worship of money, sex, greed, gluttony...).

Still, if after it all is said and done, God is more important than exercise or television, so you choose your activities based on what strengthens, not challenges your faith.

kaplods 06-22-2006 10:15 PM

Couldn't help but think about this thread when I read an article today in a local event magazine. It talked about the "Christine Center," a Roman Catholic retreat center. It seems a bit new age, but they have a Catholic Priest teaching yoga. Now THAT would be an interesting class.

softballmom 06-23-2006 11:26 AM

Just wandering through and this thread piked my curiosity as I have personally weighed yoga, or not, for myself. Southern Baptist born and bred, but Christian through and through. While I love and honor the SBC denomination, as I mature and try to disect man's teachings (Doctrine) with God's teachings (Bible) I find that sometimes my fears are based in doctrine and not from God. When I am closely in tuned with the Holy Spirit, I find that he is all the Teacher I need. I haven't settled my mind yet on whether this be for me or not, but I would suggest that you ask Him. I truly believe that your inner being inspired through the HS dwelling will make you uncomfortable if it is not for you. There are probably different types of yoga as well, just go informed and protected if you would like to try it out.

katiesmom710 06-27-2006 02:39 AM

I'm back after being away for a long time, and I had this question, as well. Here's what I have gleaned from counsel I have sought. The difficulty with yoga comes with the meditation part. When you "meditate" on anything, you open up your mind to satan and all his evil forces. We have a church in town that actually has yoga classes filled with praise music and prayer. I haven't tried it yet, as I am not ready, but this would fit the bill for filling our empty mind. We must always be discerning in the choices we make!

joan fay 07-03-2006 11:13 PM

Yoga
 
Thank you every one for your comments on yoga. I must admit I Have stayed away for religious reasons. I didn't want to get into some group where they were chanting or using some mantra. I did not do much homework to find a group. So, I do appreciate all the input.
Thank you Martha for the Praise Moves suggestion. I will certainly check it out. The one yoga tape I did try - I simply couldn't do. It said beginners - but I couldn't even begin. :dizzy:
The value of streaching and bending gives one a sense of well being. I will pursue this more seriously.:)

kateful 07-06-2006 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katiesmom710
I'm back after being away for a long time, and I had this question, as well. Here's what I have gleaned from counsel I have sought. The difficulty with yoga comes with the meditation part. When you "meditate" on anything, you open up your mind to satan and all his evil forces. We have a church in town that actually has yoga classes filled with praise music and prayer. I haven't tried it yet, as I am not ready, but this would fit the bill for filling our empty mind. We must always be discerning in the choices we make!

Psalms 19:14

Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Meditation seems A-Okay to me.

I've never been to a yoga class, so I don't know how other people do it. My experience with it using a video is that it's more an athletic endeavor than a spiritual one.

Safora 07-07-2006 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kateful
Psalms 19:14

Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Meditation seems A-Okay to me.


I believe the difference is that when they speak of meditation in the bible it means to meditate on God, His will, and His words. The eastern version of meditation is a clearing of the mind, which some believe will allow evil in.

kaplods 07-07-2006 10:46 AM

Wouldn't letting your mind wander do the same thing, under the same logic? And I believe that in yoga, a mantra allows you to focus on one thing in order to avoid the stress of distractions. There is nothing that prevents you from using a bible verse as a mantra, or opening your mind to God, rather than to evil or nothingness.

Ariannas 07-07-2006 11:57 AM

I agree with kaplods. You have to be able to clear and open your mind to be able to hear God anyway. I don't see any reason why you can't do this during yoga. Evil will only get in if you allow it to.

4boys4me 07-07-2006 12:24 PM

Yoga
 
If you are afraid to jump into a yoga class, may I suggest a yoga class that is aired every morning on the Oxygen network? It's called INHALE, and it's very fun (no mantras) The only set back is all the skinny women!!!
You can dip your toes into yoga in the comfort of your home rather than taking the plunge in a class somewhere.

"Yoga" translates as "union". (body, heart, and mind)

Ariannas 07-07-2006 12:38 PM

4boys - that sounds pretty cool, Do you know what time it comes on? I work but I could record it and do it either before I go to work or in the evenings to help me unwind.

mandalinn82 07-07-2006 12:40 PM

Have you considered talking to the leader of your church about what you are considering? It might be nice to get the perspective of your religious leader after a good conversation about your goals for physical health, etc. It would also be a good thing to say to other people who believe it is incompatible with your beliefs - to say you discussed it with your religious leader and came to the conclusion that it was OK or not OK for you.

Just a thought.

mandalinn82 07-07-2006 12:48 PM

Also an article from Christianity Today:

Yes to Yoga
Can a Christian breathe air that has been offered to idols?
by Agnieszka Tennant | posted 05/19/2005 09:30 a.m.


In-out-in-out-in-out.

In-out.

In. Out.

Inhale.

Exhale.

Inn … Outt …

Innn …

It's 7:45 p.m. on a weekday and for the first time today, I consciously slow down my breathing. I send the air deep down into my belly, letting it rise and fall like a wave. Inn … Outt …

Along with a group of 30 people in a darkened exercise studio at a Lifetime Fitness gym near Chicago, I use the unhurried cadences of the air filling and leaving my lungs to lull my muscles and joints into daring postures. My body becomes a mountain. An eagle. A warrior. A pigeon. A downward dog. A cobra. Finally—my favorite pose that comes at the end of each workout—a corpse, during which I lay down and relax every muscle.

Oh, and I'm an evangelical—mostly, a proud one. Proud of Christ, of Mary Magdalene, of G.K. Chesterton, of the way the Bible cuts through all cultures and all times and all hearts, and of smart evangelicals like historian Mark Noll at Wheaton College who have pried open the collective evangelical mind.

Sometimes though, I admit, I'm a tad embarrassed to be a member of the diverse evangelical family. Like yesterday, when I heard on NPR that the National Association of Evangelicals had led a charge at the Supreme Court opposing out-of-state wine shipments. May the finest wine maker have mercy on us!

Also yesterday, shame rushed through my face as I read on The Huffington Post, the hot, new, militantly liberal website, a reference to an article on yoga published by Christianity Today's sister publication Today's Christian Woman. In it, Max Blumenthal rightly pokes fun at the admiring article's main voice, which belongs to Laurette Willis, who believes yoga is pretty much of the devil. "Yoga's breathing techniques (pranayama) may seem stress-relieving, yet they can be an open door to psychic influences," Willis says.

Willis, who used to be a yoga instructor, believes that the practice opened her mind to New Age spirituality and led to her depression and alcoholism. After she was born again, she's remade herself into a PraiseMoves instructor (and skilled marketer). She wouldn't say this, but let's face it: she's still a yoga instructor—thus acknowledging yoga's healthful benefits—but now offers biblical explanations and biblical-sounding names for the poses.

Now, Willis and other Christians may have good reasons to feel uneasy about yoga. With her background in New Age, which was clearly an oppressive force in her life, I could be weary of what yoga reminds me of, too.

But it bothers me that people like Willis demonize a healthful exercise regimen, and engage in fear mongering (or is it fear marketing?) among evangelicals. The stereotype of evangelicals they reinforce I'd rather live without. We can leave the spreading of wrong-headed stereotypes about evangelicals to the more experienced bashers—some columnists at The New York Times, for example.

To dispel the stereotype at hand, let me witness that yoga has never had any negative influence on me, and it doesn't trigger any harmful religious impulses. Just the opposite is true. The three hours a week I spend doing yoga not only make me more flexible, tone my muscles, and relax me. They also draw me closer to Christ. They are my bodily-kinetic prayer.

Need I say that it was Alpha and Omega who first thought of and then created the common graces of oxygen, stretching, flexibility, breathing, and soothing music?

My natural response to any deep-breathing exercises is an emotionally felt love of God. Soon after I take off my socks and do a couple of poses, spontaneous prayers soar to Christ. Give me five minutes of yoga, and my mind immediately goes to the metaphor of God's spirit being as omnipresent and as necessary as the air.

In the same way that measured breathing is essential to yoga, the Spirit—which in both biblical Greek and Hebrew also means breath—is indispensable to my soul. Breathe in. Breathe out. Holy Spirit in. Anything that's not from God out. Come Holy Spirit. Renew my mind. In. Out. Thank. You. As I twist my body into places it hadn't been before, I can't help but pray this. Why fix what ain't broke?

Now, my enthusiasm for yoga doesn't mean I'm in denial about its Hindu roots. The magazine Hinduism Today editorialized that "the knowing separation of hatha yoga from Hinduism is deceptive." I know that hard-core yogis believe that yoga is more than exercise or a relaxation technique. To them, it's a religious ritual.

But the Hindu gods don't make it onto my mat. Yoga purists don't lead classes at mainstream American gyms. Could it be that some of them learned yoga from the purists? Yes. But no one's making me repeat any mantras. The closest any of my gym's several yoga teachers get to religious utterances is by bowing and saying "Namaste" at the end each class, which can be translated as "The soul in me honors the soul in you" or "The image of God in me honors the image of God in you." I like it! It just reminds me that, as C. S. Lewis put it, there are no mere mortals.

But let's suppose an improbable scenario: that one of these religious yoga proselytizers sneaked into my gym with the intent of spreading Hinduism. Say she'd put on a beautiful, rhythmic melody with an Oriental boy choir chanting words of worship that address an idol. Could she seduce my soul, over time, away from Christ?

I don't think so. I don't, for one, because worship is a conscious act of the mind. If it's busy overflowing with gratitude to Christ for the way he made my body, I simply don't have the mental space to give up to an idol. Second, can a non-existent idol snatch me away from Father God who has adopted me as his child? No chance.

In other words, yoga is like the meat that had been offered to idols. Can I put it on my sandwich? That, more or less, was the question on the minds of some of Christians in Corinth. "We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one," Paul wrote to them. "For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth … yet for us there is but one God." Food "does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do," he said.

But some people, he acknowledged, are "so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled." Willis, by her own admission, falls in this category when it comes to yoga.

As for me, put that meat on my sandwich! Yummy! Thank you, Jesus!

Christ in.

Stress out.

Holy Spirit in.

Fear out.

God the Father in.

Carbon dioxide out.

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