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I saw this pill in the paper and I was wondering if anyone tried it. It is 100% natural. I really want to order it and try it but I want to get all the information I can on it first, so if anyone knows ANYTHING please let me know. Thank you!!

"100% natural" does not equate to safe or effective.

Please read this post (written by an RN)before ordering this product.

Anyway...I've done some research and the ingredients in this pill are the same as all the other pills - same old same old stuff - green tea, chromium, "hoodia" (faux hoodia - as our sticky on Hoodia says, the chance of there being actual african hoodia gordonii in this is about as remote as seeing a flock of passenger pigeons flying overhead :rolleyes: ), garcinia, a bunch of caffeine, willow bark (same as aspirin basically) and so on and so on.

BTW, I live in the SF area, and have never heard of the company selling this stuff, which is purportedly in SF (or at least has a SF mailing address...which turns out to be a Mailboxes Etc.)

I also can't resist adding that the interview on the site selling this crap sounds TOTALLY FAKE - not to mention that the 'before' photo is Photoshopped, and not even very well done - obviously they just cut 'n' pasted her skinny head onto an enormous body!

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I have read about eph200 in the star and my friend said it has been awesome for about only two weeks now. She lost 9 pounds. I have another pill I am asking about. It is called "Thinstant" and it claims that you only take a pill every 5 days and you loose 6 pounds every 5 days. So after 25 days and only 5 pills you have lost 30 pounds. has anyone ever heard of it. We saw it in Globe Magazine but it does not have a website and it has a po box out of las vegas. The pills is supposedly manufactured in Italy. Please tell me if anyone has tried it and if it works.

:welcome3: to 3FC! We're glad you found us here!

About the Thinstant pill you asked about - I've never heard of it and don't know of anyone here at 3FC who uses it. There's one important thing that I want to share with you about diet pills - they don't work.

I'm the moderator for the Maintainers Forum here, which is a group of 3FC members who have lost weight - and more importantly - kept it off. Periodically we survey our maintainers to ask how they lost the weight and no one has ever successfully lost weight and kept it off with diet pills. And we have over 40,000 registered members!

Diet pills may work in the short run, but if you want permanent, long-lasting results, it's just as simple as eating less and moving more. Poke around in the various groups here and ask lots of questions - you'll find all the help that you need for lifetime weight loss and maintenance. :)

I think this bears repeating.

Hemlock is 100% natural. Belladonna is 100% natural. Arsenic, mercury, and lead are all 100% natural. No one would reasonably suggest any of those are healthy. ;)

We really need to let go of the theory that "all natural" equals safe/healthy.

Thanks Meg... you just backed up what I also firmly believe! Diet pills are not the answer... eating right and exercising is. The ads for ALL the diet "magic pills" say combined with a sensible eating and exercise plan... like LOL right if you do THAT you don't need the pills LOL

I just saw an add last night for EPH200....it makes sence in the add that u need to speed up your metabolism and thats the only reason why i was considering ordering the pill. After seeing your postings all your comments make sense. I'm just wondering if EPH200 or any pill for that matter can speed up your metabolism

The best way to speed up your metabolism is to build some muscle!

I think Meg puts it the best, there are a lot of people who have lost a lot of weight and maintained it. None of them have lost it through using a diet pill. As far as boosting metabolism, there are short term means to do this and long term means to do this. The long term is in fact lifting weights to build muscle which burns more fat. The short term way is to do cardio exercise which burns fat during and after the exercise.

There are small insignificant ways to temporarily raise your metabolism as well, that includes drinking caffeine and eating spicy foods. Those are usually the methods used in any diet pill that you find. It is cheaper to eat some salsa :) But those really don't have a significant effect on your metabolism and are very short term, shorter than cardio exercise.

I would certainly check out the EPH200 VERY closely before you take it... I am guessing it contains Ephedra (or Ma Huang) which I heard has recently been allowed back on the market. Yah it speeds up your metabolism, all right... if it doesn't kill you first or destroy your health. Note I am not saying EPH200 has it; just a guess and suggest you make sure. :)

hi everybody!
i've ordered eph200 today and i was surfying the net to search informations about.
probably it will not the best bargain of my life but i'll give a try:)
one thing surprised me:"The pills is supposedly manufactured in Italy".
i'm italian and i live in italy, and from the advert i've seen on a newspaper these pills come from switzerland...
or at least, it's wath i supposed after reading...

I actually tried looking up eph200, i can't find any ingredients information on it. Anyway, the diet industry preys on people who think "its only 30 dollars" for diet pills that work no better than aspirin would. I think meg posted something somewhere about Oprah (richest woman in the world) that said if there was a diet pill that worked, she would have it. She would spend all her money to get it. I like that because we can spend our money on hopes and dreams of a diet pill but really there is no magic pill.

Nelie, I had the same experience.... the sites "talk all around" what is actually IN it but don't say... at least none that I have seen.

Interesting though... if you google for it not only does the 3FC thread come up but the last post shows up and who it was by.

To add to the chorus: the only thing these silly diet pills are going to make thinner is your wallet. :)

Exercise, eat a healthy diet and take in less calories than you expend. If you want to take a "pill," take a simple vitamin to help fill any nutritional gaps.

There is NO MAGIC PILL!

I bought it
 

Well, I'm another one of the ones who gave in and bought this- I know there's no miracle drugs and nothing will work on its own- but I do think that things like this can help a bit (even if its just mentally).

Well I FINALLY received the shipment- even though I ordered it weeks ago. So far- honestly- no side effects. I was really sensitive to ephedra- and there's no side effect with this (except for a funny taste in my mouth?).

So today is only the second day of taking this- so I'll post updates (especially if it doesn't work- I don't want anyone else to get ripped off!). One note though- only the second day- and I do feel like it helps suppress my appetite and I feel full alot faster than normal.

Heather, What are the ingredients? Since we can't find them anywhere, I'm quite curious.

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Hello,
I was just checking to see if anyone had recieved EPH200 yet. I really want to try it but I am having problems with the order. I mailed the company a money order over two months ago and I never recieved the product. I called them and they said that they never recieved my money order. I stoped payment and sent them a new money order two weeks ago and they once again said that they have not recieved my money order. I only live 4 hours away from San Francisco so the mail would get to them in less than two days. I have checked the address many times and I have the correct address. I was just checking to see if anyone has had any problems like this. I really would like my order.
Thanks

I found a website that listed the ingredients of EPH200, it appears to be a standard diet pill mixing stimulants and appetite suppresants. From what I can tell all the ingredients can be found in other diet pills or in other forms. The interesting ones I think are white willow bark which is a pain reliever and gymnema sylvestre which has been studied as a possibility to lower blood sugar levels in diabetics. I guess making you feel good and then maybe showing positive results in your sugar levels if you are a diabetic will make you believe it works:

* Vitamin D - standard vitamin, needed for absorption of calcium, I believe
* Calcium - standard vitamin
* Chromium - standard diet pill ingredient, unproven
* Citrus Aurantium - source of synephedrine, common in diet pills
* Green Tea - source of caffeine, common in diet pills
* South African Hoodia Gordonii - no diet pill is proven to have this but a lot claim to now days, appetite suppresant
* Garcinia Cambogia - common in diet pills, unproven appetite suppresant
* Gymnema Sylvestre - appears to slightly lower blood sugar levels in diabetics
* Guarana - stimulant, common in diet pills
* Yerba Mate - stimulant, common in diet pills
* White Willow Bark - appears to be a pain reliever, alternative to aspirin (I guess it makes you feel good)
* Gelatin - no effect
* Magnesium Stearate - no effect
* Silicon Dioxide - no effect

It just seems that if a pill has no side effects except a bad taste in the mouth, that's, well, a side effect.

The list of ingredients says it all, IMO, it's a standard "diet pill" ... and like Oprah, if they worked, I'd move heaven and earth to get some.

It's snake oil ... but if folks wanna spend their hard-earned money on snake oil instead of a set of weights and a calorie book, then more power to 'em. :)

Yeah, it's snake oil. And I'd personally be *very* wary of taking anything with an ingredient chemically similar to aspirin in it, as aspirin is a blood thinner.

I guess I really just do not understand why people would rather spend $30 on a diet pill than about $8 or $10 on a book of calorie counts. If I wanted to fool myself that something was gonna make me lose weight, I think I'd decide that the magic elixir was mother's milk tea, that way I might actually stand to get something out of it!

Why does this not surprise me...a company using a Mailboxes Etc address (see my post at the beginning of this thread) with a faux interview (with obviously photoshopped before and after pics) not following through on your money order?

Where did you purchase the money order - do you still have a receipt? If you purchased the MO from the US Post Office or your bank you might be able to recover your money. This is one reason I always use my Visa credit/debit card to place orders...I have the power of disputing any charges. It's much harder to do this with check or money order purchases.

I would suggest contacting the US Postal Service for possible mail fraud charges. Most likely you're not alone in being scammed!

Also - apparently from what Nelie posted, there is nothing new here - like she said, that's just the standard diet pill ingredients nowadays.

Good point about the willow bark, Sabra!

Ingrediants in EPH200 and more info...
 

I did some research on this product, EPH 200 (which stands for something like "essential products for health" and not ephedrine) and found out this:

It contains:
* Vitamin D
* Calcium
* Chromium
* Citrus Aurantium
* Green Tea
* South African Hoodia Gordonii
* Garcinia Cambogia
* Gymnema Sylvestre
* Guarana
* Yerba Mate
* White Willow Bark
* Gelatin
* Magnesium Stearate
* Silicon Dioxide
This info can be found on the "Tom Lee Health" website.

Accordling to the chats going on on Lamas Beauty website, quite a few people have had positive experiences with EPH, but ONLY COMBINED WITH PROPER EATING AND EXERCISE, which is the whole point really.

Those people seem to believe that the pill helps to control their appetite and cravings (which is a help to some), and give them more energy without a shaky feeling. They also believe they are losing weight faster then they would with proper eating and exercise alone.

Perhaps it is only a psychological boost, or maybe it actually makes you feel better, but according to most accounts it takes an extremely long time to recieve the product and a lot of people give up before it even arrives.

It took me a very long time to read all the posts related to EPH2OO on Lamas website, so I don't really recommend it. Everything they seem to be saying, I have written here, for your viewing pleasure!

I recently read that forum when searching google for information on the pill, and was shocked by the posts. One customer was very upset because she ordered EPH 200 and when she received it, there was a paper in it telling her that the product supported weight loss when combined with diet and exercise. She was upset because it didn't say that in their advertisement and they waited until after she's paid for it before telling her she had to go on a diet :lol:

I agree that it must be a psychological boost because there is nothing in the pills that would help. In fact, it could even be dangerous.

Citrus Aurantium is also known as bitter orange and is very similar to ephedra in structure. It's also dangerous and made the Consumer Reports Dirty Dozen list of most dangerous supplements. (stimulant)

Green Tea, when enjoyed as a beverage, is full of antioxidants that may be good for our health, but green tea in a pill will not help weight loss. Studies have shown that if you drink 4 cups of green tea every day, it could contribute to 8 pounds of fat loss - over the course of a whole year. (stimulant)

Hoodia won't help because it isn't the real thing. P57, the molecule in hoodia gordonii that causes appetite suppression, is patented by Phytopharm and cannot be sold for use in weight loss products without their permission, which they are only granting to Unilever and the product is not available yet. Further, hoodia gordonii can't even be exported out of Africa because it is a rare plant protected by law. Some companies are illegally harvesting it, but most of the hoodia being sold here is not real hoodia, despite the manufacturers claims. Also, it takes a large piece of fresh hoodia that contains P57 to work, not a tiny capsule of ground plant parts. There is a lot more to this story, but that's enough reason to know that the hoodia in this product is not going to work.

Chromium - Useless. I don't know which form of chromium it contains, but the most common type advertised in weight loss supplements is Chromium Picolinate. While chromium may have health benefits, extensive clinical trials have shown that chromium picolinate does not have an effect on weight loss. Chromium can cause side effects in many people, including everything from stomach discomfort to genetic mutations in DNA. Chromium may also interfere with other supplements or medications.

Garcinia Cambogia An extensive study by JAMA concluded: Garcinia cambogia failed to produce significant weight loss and fat mass loss beyond that observed with placebo.

Guarana Source of caffeine (stimulant)

Yerba Mate Source of caffeine (stimulant)

Gymnema Sylvestre A plant known to block sweet tastes in the mouth, so it is sometimes marketed as an appetite suppressant since it affects your desire to eat sweets. However, swallowing it in a pill does not have this effect. You must chew the leaves of the plant so it will affect the tongue. It has also been used by some to lower blood sugar levels in diabetics. See your physician if you are diabetic and want to consider this treatment, for proper dosages and suitable sources of the ingredient.

White Willow Bark Similar in structure to aspirin. Included because of the caffeine and bitter orange to simulate the 'aspirin/caffeine/ephedra' stack which used to be popular in some circuits. Dr. Ornish said it was potentially life threatening.

Calcium A couple of years ago, a study came out that showed that dairy could help weight loss. Ever since, every diet pill maker has been adding calcium to diet pills and cashing in on the news. Researchers showed that calcium supplements did enhance the effect of weight loss, however, there was more weight loss when calcium came from low or non-fat dairy sources.

Gelatin, Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide fillers and stabilizes for the capsule.

Thanks Suzanne... I was pretty sure something in here was very similar to ephedra and that others were loaded with caffeine but had not had time to research it and wanted to be careful expressing what was just an opinion.

Like most all of them, it says "with proper diet and exercise." Now who woulda THUNK it? :)

Although it is really just stupidity to think you can lose weight without changing anything about your life, I can see why they woman Suzanne mentioned was angry about the insert included with her order of EPH200. According to the ad, "you don't have to diet or exercise in order to lose weight on EPH200". So they really are giving false information, whether the pill works in anyway with exercise or not!
The dirty *******s!

Something I did was use google translate feature to read some of the German websites on EPH200 and people had similar complaints, saying that it was useless and didn't work.

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Anyone...............???

43 reviews and 0 replys??

What are your guys opinion on taking supplements with people not considered that healthy?? Do you think that it could help someone get on track or do the opposite?

Sorry hon, I've never heard of the product :( I doubt your gonna have any bad side effects form using it though, even if your unhealthy, I'd think as long as you don't abuse the product or overdose on it I wouldn't worry about serious side affects.. I do know all herbal supplements have there own set of side affects regardless of health/weight...Sorry I don't have more input for ya!! Good luck and good health :)

You could possibly have a bad side effect from the stimulants in the pill, which are usually the causes of side effects in all diet pills including higher blood pressure and in severe cases heart attacks and stroke.

I doubt it'd help you lose even 15-20 lbs but it might have a placebo effect on you, and help you that way, who knows.

Eph200
 

I found this:

What does each capsule of EPH200 contain?
Each capsule of EPH200 contains:

Vitamin D
Calcium
Chromium
Citrus Aurantium
Green Tea
South African Hoodia Gordonii
Garcinia Cambogia
Gymnema Sylvestre
Guarana
Yerba Mate
White Willow Bark
Gelatin
Magnesium Stearate
Silicon Dioxide
EPH200 does not contain ephedra.

I just got an email stateing that I should receive mine no later than the seventh of april. I'll let you all know if it works!

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Mrs Keltsy,
How did you order the product (money order or credit card) because I am having the same problem getting my order, it has been over three months since I placed my first order. I sent them a money order. After not recieving my product in months, I thought that maybe something had happend to it with the mail so I cancelled the money order bought another money order and sent it to them. Well it has been about 6 weeks since I sent the second money order and I have not recieved the product. I have called them so many times and they keep telling me that they do not have my order in there system and that I should have paid by credit card. In the add it state's that they accept credit cards or you can mail a check or money order. They have also told me that they will have a manager call me back about 20 times and I have not recieved a call from the Manager. I have checked the address and it is correct. I found out about EPH200 in an add in the magazine ( US WEEKLY) and the address that they gave to send in order's was in San Fransisco,(Tom Lee Health Center Dept. EPH019, 268 Bush St. #968) I found out that it is not a company building or an office it is a Mailboxes Etc. I called there and found out that Tom Lee Health Center just rent's a mailbox. They would not tell me if Tom Lee Health Center checked there mailbox daily, weekly, monthly or anytime. I don't know what else to do. I am just getting tired of waiting. It seems like they would want the business but who knows. Is there anyone else out there that has sent a check or money order to this address and not recieved there product??? :dizzy:

Thanks,
Leah

These pills have a lot of stimulants and are loaded with caffeine. IMO yes there are health risks concerned with taking them. And with all the "magic pills" out there if any of them actually worked the makers would be instantly rich and very famous LOL. Also, I am hearing more and more stories from people who ordered them and never received them. IMO that is probably a blessing. :) But good luck. :)

I Bought it....
 

I did order it, and received it within 2 weeks of placing my order. So far, I have been taking it for a week and no results or side-effects. I have been watching what I eat (around 1100 cal a day). I needed an extra boost for my upcoming vacation and thought this would help..... Well at least I learned my lesson :)

hey everyone, i just got this diet in the mail the other day i started taking them today, ill let all of u know how it works out..." im not hoping for anything cuz nothing really works, ive tryed almost everything lost a lil but not much... ill keep u updated on this pill....

i ordered the pills and got mine but i payed wit my visa...i got it yesterday only took 2 weeks for mine to come

Has Anyone Gotten Any Results From These Pills Yet??

This REALLY does not surprise me...which is why I generally avoid buying from any merchant (not that I would buy this stuff anyway...from everything I've read about it - and there is more and more out there about this on the 'net, a LOT of people with similar complaints) that appears to be 'fly by night' like this one. I do NOT use checks or money orders to purchase with - precisely because of this type of situation. If you purchased your money order from the US Postal Service or your bank you might have SOME protection - but basically when you use your Visa card - the merchant KNOWS if they do not send the product then you can call the bank that issued your Visa card and file a chargeback against them which costs them $$. You can't do that with checks or money orders - maybe take them to small claims but what a PITA...besides by the time you get to court or whatever, the company will probably have gone out of business anyway as soon as word gets around what a worthless, ordinary piece of crap their product is. (Of course, more than likely they'll just rename their company, repackage their pills and sell them to the SAME PEOPLE THEY SOLD THEM TO IN THE FIRST PLACE... :rolleyes: it's a vicious circle...)

Besides, the ingredients in these pills are nothing special and nothing different from what is in just about every other diet pill out there. You could go to GNC or MuscleMax or even Walmart and Target and get an identical pill with the same ingredients.

It all comes down to marketing - you have to remember that a lot of these fly by night companies make sure to post positive messages about their products at various forums - it's become pretty easy for us mods to be able to spot 'em at this point because the diet pill pushers try that here at 3FC as well, trust me. It's free advertising for them. They know that there are many desparate people willing to try ANYTHING that advertises itself as an EASY way to lose weight.

Here at 3FC - we'll keep telling you till we are blue in the face what we have learned over time and that is there is NO MAGIC PILL, NO MAGIC FORMULA other than 'eating less and moving more' to lose weight...lifestyle changes...that's what does it, not these phony-*** pills.

I wanted to comment re Nelie's point that the stimulants in most of these kinds of pills carry a major whammy of danger for anyone with a known or UNDETECTED (e.g., not everyone knows everything that is goin' on in their body so why take a chance) cardio problem ... there are people who should not even be drinking coffee or tea, even though they may not be diagnosed yet, and they are plunkin' down hard earned cash for these stimulants on the off chance it'll help 'em lose weight, not even knowing what possible side effects may be lurkin' down the road, even if they aren't feelin' anything now ... look at how long ephedra was killin' folks before a halt was called (ephedra is still out there, btw, and it is present in ingredients that have a different name and is still in some pills).

What is harder, eating satisfying nutritious meals but limiting junk foods and excess calories and exercising ... or suffering scary health symptoms while running the risk (maybe small, but there) of having a fatal reaction to some mystery pill we pay our hard-earned money for so that some yahoo can get rich and go live in the south of France (or somewhere :) )!????

If unable to lose weight by healthy changes to diet and activity, or if just madly lusting for medication to spend money on, we need to consult a reputable physician to see if the handful of possibly safe prescription weight loss drugs COULD be right for us or needed ... or even if there's a reason why we should NOT take 'em ... or in some instances, there are surgical procedures that can help, under the right circumstances and for the right reasons and with medical approval ... these options take more time and dedication, but at least they give someone with a hidden medical condition a fighting chance not to end up in a coffin.

Life is fun (most of the time). It's more fun in a healthy body but shoving unknown substances down our throats in a misguided effort to get that healthy body is risking too much.

There's no magic pill ... save your money and buy some dumbbells and a pair of walkin' shoes.

Sorry, ranting. :)

I don't mean to be offensive, but I've noticed that this dynamic goes on and on in these "have-ye-tried-the-latest-magickal-pill-now-for-sale-on-ebay- at-reduced-prices-and-marked-down-at-Osco's-which-I-bet- won't-kill-me-'cause-I've-been-takin'-it-for-a-week-and-feel-fine" threads! :)

So I am adding my 1.5 cents again.