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I have seen a few pop up ads and it sounds great, anyone here tried it?

If it's that great, why do they have to advertise? It has a most unfortunate name, I'm afraid. As Mrs Jim will say, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably IS! There is no magic pill or I'd be skinny.

Read the post by Jackslady below re the answer to permanent weight loss.

Jeez, not again. I haven't seen the NEW popups but last year they had quite the little advertising campaign - are they still selling it for $100+ a bottle?

Unless they've changed the formulation (as many have now) it's your basic ECA stack (ephedra/caffeine/asprin) with a few other ingredients added for a 'bells and whistles' effect.

If, indeed, they HAVE changed their formula - I'll bet it's the same stuff they're now using in Xenadrine and Hydroxycut (who just announced changing their formula). There is an interesting article in a recent issue of Glamour - I think it's last month's issue now - about Ephedra and the companies that peddle it. Check it out!

The drug name is Leptoprin. The choice of retail name is unfortunate. They can argue that the root of the Greek word "anorexis" loosely means "without appetitie" but it's pretty obvious what they were going for. No one would market "Gay Pills" as something to make you happy, as a chunk of society would be up in arms. Likewise, marketing a drug with a name associated with an eating disorder is also completely reprehensible.

It sells usually for about $154 a bottle and comes "without a prescription." Yeah, on the internet, you can still get Phentermine without a prescription. Yes, while its counterparts, fenfluramine or dexyfluramine were the cause of the heart damage, I wouldn't doubt that Phentermine had at least a little to do with it.

Anorex also comes with this warning, which, to me says "If you're breathing and want to remain that way, maybe you shouldn't take this drug:

Quote:

WARNINGS: Do not take this product if you are taking MAO inhibitors or a prescription drug for anticoagulation (thinning of the blood), diabetes, gout or arthritis or any other prescription drug unless directed by a physician. Do not take this product if you have any of the following conditions: high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, thyroid disease, prostate problems or diabetes. Improper use may be hazardous to your health. Keep out of the reach of children. Consult a physician or licensed health care professional before using this product if you have, or have a family history of, heart disease, thyroid disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, recurrent headaches, depression or other psychiatric condition, glaucoma, difficulty in urinating, prostate enlargement, or seizure disorder, or if you are using any other dietary supplement or over-the-counter drug containing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, or phenylpropanolamine (ingredients found in certain allergy, asthma, cough/cold and weight control products). Exceeding recommended serving may cause serious adverse health effects including heart attacks and stroke. Do not take if sensitive to or if allergic to aspirin. Do not use if pregnant (it is especially important not to use aspirin during the last 3 months of pregnancy unless specifically directed to do so by a physician because it may cause problems in the unborn child or complications during pregnancy), nursing, have asthma, or have stomach problems (such as heartburn, upset stomach or stomach pain) that persist or recur, or if you have ulcers or bleeding problems, unless directed by a physician. If ringing in the ears or temporary loss of hearing occurs, consult a physician before taking again. Discontinue use and call physician or licensed health care professional immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache, shortness of breath or similar symptoms.

And if you're really upset about the name of the drug, Anorex, you can write to the company that manufactures it and chose the name here:

Klein-Becker usa
5742 W. Harold Gatty Drive
Salt Lake City, Utah 84116
Phone: 1-888-340-1628
Fax: 1-801-517-7001
email: [email protected]

Leptoprin = KB's fancy name for their ECA stack.

I just did a websearch and found that info...

Nutritional Facts

Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings per Container: 90
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Calcium (amino acid chelate) 264mg
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Vitamin B6 25mg
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Anorex (Leptoprin) A proprietary blend of the following: 989mg

Acetylsalicylic acid 324mg ** otherwise known as aspirin!

Caffeine (34mg from standardized Kola Nut (280mg) 200mg **

ephedrine Alkaloids (exclusive 10% extract from whole plant Ma Huang (200mg)) 20mg **

Kelp(0.15 Iodine) 100mg **

Green Tea(leaf) Extract (standardized for polyphenols/catechins content) **

L-Tyrosine **

Cayenne (fruit)

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Let's compare that to Hydroxycut, a popular ECA stack that retails for $39.99 for 140 capsules (but that you can find much cheaper if you do a little Web shopping)...

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 3 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 23

Chromium 300 mcg

Hydroxycut Proprietary Blend 2.9 g

Hydroxagen (Garcinia cambogia) (fruit & rind) Standardized for 1000 mg hydroxycitric acid

HydroxyTea

Guarana Extract (seed) Standardized for 200 mg caffeine

Green Tea Leaf Extract Standardized for 95% polyphenols [70% catechins(45% epigallocatechin gallate-90 mg EGCG)]

Ma-Huang Extract (stem & leaf) Standardized for 20 mg ephedra alkaloids

Willow Bark Extract (purple & white) Standardized for 15 mg salicin this is the asprin part of Hydroxycut's ECA stack

L-Carnitine Tartrate

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Now if you're not scratching your head asking why Anorex is selling basically the SAME STUFF for much more dinero, then we have a problem.

And the name is totally disgusting. I guess the marketers are thinking that women would LOVE a pill that makes them anorexic! If you go through the forum threads here back to last year, you'll see that this is nothing new - they tried pulling this crap last year. K-B also marketed the 'Cutting Gel' which is an expensive gel that supposedly burns fat when you rub it into your skin (yeah right).

When I watched their commercial, I was so upset... Knew it had to be a scam. I visited their website and there was no mention at all of the ingredients. I wrote them and requested it, and a week later they finally sent it. I have the labels from both versions of Leptoprin and plan to publish something on the site about it. What a ripoff! It's also sooooo dangerous.

Well I got a bottle for 89.00 and Well energy levels are off the charts, and I am only taking two a day they say to take 4 if I took 4 forget it I would never sleep again!
I have used them now for 3 weeks I think and so far have not lost a pound. I never had much of an appetite so as far as being hungry I am maybe a bit less.

This is my first time posting on this site. I just joined!!! Here is how I "found" you- I saw the TV commercial for the 153 dollar diet pill (Leptoprin), and quickly ordered by phone.

As an RN, I wanted to know the ingredients I would be putting into my body. The "sales expert" told me they "don't say as it is a secret patented formula"..

Am I DUMB, desparate or what?? If it is PATENTED, that would be more reason they could post ingredients without copy-cats.

I decided to do an internet search, and 3FC came up with info that turned me back to my usual mindful self. I cancelled my order.

Weight loss is such an emotionally-charged issue to me that I- albeit temporarily this time- want to believe all the Madison Ave crap, the "before" and "after" photos.

You reading this must recognize me, as I think most of us beautiful, smart, independent, wonderful women have fallen prey.

I am just grateful I found this site and that I have chosen to continue my healthy diet/exercise plan rather than paying 153 dollars for a bottle of dangerous drugs.

I love and respect myself today, whether I weigh 200 pounds or 125 pounds. Thank you all!

Good for you Enja!!! :cp: I'm glad you decided to do this the healthy way and not believe all the hype on Leptoprin. That is not a safe way to lose weight!

ANOREX??? My G*d, what kind of reputable company would name a diet pill this??

This is a classic case of

Caveat emptor!

Bravo to those of you who have decided to do this in a healthy manner.:bravo: It CAN be done, regardless of what companies like this will tell you.

OT question for RaiderMom...

Now just WHAT are you doing in Michigan?!?

You're supposed to be HERE in the BAY AREA!! :lol:

:dizzy:

Have you ever SEEN the Lions play??? :lol:

The lions are pretty sad, makes me embarassed to live in Michigan :D
Atleast we have 2 decent teams: The Pistons and the Red Wings...

Atleast the Lions aren't as bad as the Tigers, they're absolutely awful!

You mean the "dead" wings that got swept away in a totally embarassing series against the "might ducks"? :o

So everything that is said bad about Anorex is basically for the regular Anorex, what about the Anorex SF? Anyone know anything about that?

Regarding the SF Anorex...

Basically it's an overpriced GCA stack (now that ephedra is becoming increasingly scarce - most supplement manufacturers are using Garcinia Camboga instead of Ma Huang/Ephedra in their products.) Garcinia Camboga is actually the active ingredient in Anorex SF (yup, I know their website PURPOSELY doesn't list the ingredients but if you go to somewhere like www.drugstore.com, you can get them there).

That's my main issue with the company...really, what they are selling for $150 bucks is basically the same as the other 'stimulant free' 'fat burners' on the market that are selling for MUCH cheaper prices - but of course they need to pay for all that marketing...all those infomercials and the fancy-schmancy website I guess...

Just for the record here's what's in Anorex SF...

Ingredients for Anorex-SF™ (Leptoprin-SF™), A proprietary blend of the following: Calcium Phosphate, Commiphora mukul extract, Garcinia cambogia (HCA 125mg), L-Tyrosine, Acetylsalicyclic acid - 162.5mg, Dipotassium phosphate, Sodium phosphate, Disodium phosphate, Phosphatidyl choline, Scutellaria (root), Bupleurum (root), Epimedium (herb).

And here's what Supplement Watch has to say about Garcinia...

Quote:

Supplement Garcinia

Description Hydroxycitric acid (HCA), is the active ingredient extracted from the rind of a little pumpkin-like fruit, Garcinia cambogia, from India and Southeast Asia. Dietary supplements and a wide variety of weight loss formulas, contain Garcinia extract to inhibit fat production and suppress appetite. A number of products include extracts (about 50% HCA) under the brand names Citrin (Sabinsa) and CitriMax (InterHealth) and a new one called Regulator is a 98% pure potassium HCA from a small Irish supplement company.

Claims Promotes weight loss
Suppresses appetite
Reduces blood lipids
Increases fat oxidation/mobilization
Promotes glycogen synthesis
Increases energy levels

Theory HCA can inhibit an enzyme in cells, citrate lyase, which is needed for the conversion of carbohydrates into fat. In the cell, carbohydrates are broken down into citrate compounds, which are then converted (by citrate lyase) into another compound; acetyl coenzyme A (acetyl CoA) – the metabolic building block for fat synthesis. By blocking the conversion of citrate into acetyl-CoA, HCA can suppress fat synthesis. Acetyl CoA is further converted into malonyl CoA, a compound which may block the actions of carnitine acyltransferase in shuttling fatty acids into the mitochondria to be burned

It is important to note, however, that the citrate lyase enzyme, is only significantly active under conditions of carbohydrate overconsumption. In others words, unless you’re eating a lot of carbohydrate-type foods (bagels, pasta, potatoes), and overloading your carbohydrate storage capacity (muscle and liver glycogen stores) there is no significant conversion of carbohydrates into fatty acids anyway (and HCA may not work for you). If, however, you’re chowing down on low-fat high-carb foods at every meal, then your glycogen stores will be over-flowing and your citrate lyase enzymes are going to be working over time converting those excess carbs to fat.

OK, so now that you’ve blocked the fat production, you have to do something with those excess carbs. They can’t be stored as glycogen because those stores in liver and muscle are already full, so it is thought that the body disposes of them by increasing carbohydrate oxidation (burning them). As a result of these fully loaded glycogen stores, some researchers have suggested that a "side effect" of HCA supplementation may be a suppression of appetite – which would reduce food intake and promote weight loss.

Scientific Support Animal studies have shown that hydroxycitrate decreases weight gain – primarily by suppressing appetite and reducing food intake. At least one rat study has also shown a loss of body weight and reduced fat mass due to an 11% increase in daily energy expenditure. HCA appears to be effective in both lean and obese rats, where it can reduce food intake, body weight, body fat accumulation, fat cell size, and serum triglycerides

Studies of HCA supplementation in humans have been equivocal. In some studies, 1000-2400mg of HCA per day led to a doubling or tripling of weight loss compared to placebo groups. Just last year, however, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a study showing no effect of Garcinia cambogia on weight loss in overweight men and women. In the study, a commercially available product and weight loss plan was used (Thermogenic Ultra Lean – Herbal weight loss plan with Garcinia cambogia – from Great American Nutrition, Salt Lake City, Utah). A total dose of 1500mg of HCA per day for 12 weeks did not augment weight loss compared to the placebo group.

The JAMA study has been criticized by pro-HCA camps on a number of criteria including the restrictive nature of the diet (low energy – 1210 kcal per day), the high fiber content (which decreases absorption of HCA) and the failure to assess HCA absorption (to see if it actually got into the cells where it becomes active). In defense of the study, however, is the authors’ assertion that they wanted to test the compound under conditions in which people might normally try to lose weight (like a low calorie diet) – not exactly a bad idea. They also noted that the possibility for HCA to be effective in blocking fat synthesis may be more evident when people "fall-off" their diets or relapse and start consuming lots of high carbohydrate foods.

The authors of the JAMA study concluded that their results do not support a role for Garcinia cambogia in facilitating weight loss beyond the effects observed with a low calorie high fiber diet. Evidence from animal studies and human trials of high carbohydrate diets, however, suggest otherwise – and support the use of HCA for inhibiting fat synthesis and reducing body weight. Additionally, in those individuals consuming a normal diet, HCA may provide some measure of appetite suppression – an effect which may be expected to curtail food cravings and help to support weight maintenance. For example, one small study indicated that subjects taking HCA were better able to adhere to a weight loss diet than subjects taking a placebo. An unpublished study from the makers of the “Regulator” brand of HCA showed an effect on suppressing appetite and reducing body weight (4-12 lbs. greater than placebo). The study looked at 50 subjects who consumed 1.5-6 grams of the HCA supplement daily for one month.

Another study used a double blind, placebo controlled, randomized, crossover study design to investigate whether 3 days of HCA supplementation (3 grams/day) had any influence on metabolic parameters with or without moderately intense exercise (40-60% VO2max). The study examined 10 sedentary men across 4 lab visits (consuming a 30-35% fat diet) and found no significant differences for measures of fat/carbohydrate oxidation (respiratory quotient) or other aspects of metabolism.

SafetyThere are no serious adverse side effects associated with intake of Garcinia cambogia or hydroxycitric acid supplements aside form some minor gastrointestinal distress induced by high doses.

Value For weight loss, regular intake of Garcinia cambogia and HCA is supported by animal studies (and high carbohydrate diets), where it reduces food intake and body fat accumulation. Some data from human trials support the effectiveness of HCA for weight control in humans, but here the data is not particularly strong. And much more research is needed to confirm the degree of weight loss that can be expected from regular HCA supplementation

Given the apparent safety profile of Garcinia/HCA supplements and the clear difficulty associated with maintaining a reduced body weight following weight loss, HCA may be most effective as an aid to preventing weight re-gain – rather than as an approach to stimulating significant fat loss (which is best achieved by lifestyle modifications in diet, behavior and exercise patterns). Those individuals who have succeeded in losing body weight and fat mass (not an easy task) may be better able to adhere to their new diet and maintain their new lower body weight more effectively with the help of HCA dietary supplements.

Dosage Typical doses associated with suppression of appetite and reductions in body weight are 750-1500 mg of Garcinia cambogia, (standardized for at least 50% HCA) taken in 2-3 divided doses about 30-60 minutes before eating. Because of the variation in hydroxycitric acid content between various brands of Garcinia cambogia extract, it is recommended to choose a brand which is standardized to a high level of HCA.