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fatmad 09-25-2018 11:50 AM

Carol: thats great news all around. I think I was hungry because of carb cravings. My blood sugars did ok with that meal, but I am still sensitive, and having so many carbs left me craving. Today I feel better. I really didn't want breakfast after eating so much last night, and I might just fast longer now. I would like to be firmly into the 150s before my trip, in case its hard to stick to plan while away. I will be more active while away though, because we walk so much of the day. Very little sitting around, which is great. Not sure what happened in June with Portugal, because I was eating treats etc. but I lost weight then, so here is hoping.

Just a quick pop-in before I go for the next appointment. Have been trying to arrange this sleep study stuff, so my doctor will lot me know.
DH still not feeling great, so he is sticking close to home. When he has these flare ups with his chronic fatigue, he just needs low stress and lots of rest.
Raining here, so keeping inside or in the car.


Wannabehealthy 09-25-2018 01:07 PM

You might want to skip this post,Mad. LOL .I am going to reduce my fat intake. Years back when I maintained, I cooked my eggs in Pam and ate my toast dry. That saved me a lot of calories. Eggs have healthy fat so it's not like I won't be getting any. I just don't feel that adding butter has helped me so I want to go back to what did.

Chili is in the slow cooker. Almost burned down the kitchen. More on that later.

pattygirl63 09-25-2018 01:23 PM

Mad I think the reason I didn't keep my weight off 16 yrs ago was the way I saw myself. I had lost down to about 165 lbs and when I see myself in pictures then, I see that I looked really good. The sad thing is that I didn't feel that way back then. I remember then new DH taking me shopping to buy new clothes for me to wear on our trip home to see my family. When I was able to get into size 14 clothes, I couldn't understand how I could wear things that small. I never thought I was that small. So I think it is important to see ourselves thinner as we go down. I hope you can get the changes you need for CPAP so you can get better sleep. Congratulations on staying under 160. It won't be long until you are in the 140s.

It is good to know that when doing IF you don't wrinkle especially at my age. I'm going to be working harder to stay on IF.

Carol Sue So glad you are doing better and pain free. You are probably doing better than you think. I have noticed that when I eat more food that the weight is better than when I try to go lower in calories. I'm wondering about that one. I'm so glad you are below 200s. You go girl. When did you get the ground meat and where. They did a recall on Aldi's and Sam's club. I've eat out of the beef I have with no problems so I don't think I had any of the recall batch. You might want to check it out.

Will have the fur baby a day or two more since DS is staying with her daughter a few days. It is hard for her to walk up and down the steps so is just staying with her. I still have a lot of things to do when DH gets up so will have to put the pet in his kindle while we are gone. Need to run by and see Daddy if I don't hear from him to let him know what is going on. I think his phone is unplugged or dead so I need to go check. I didn't plan to go today but may have to make a quick run by there to check on him and his phone before we go get car inspected. We need to pickup meds at Walmart and at doctor's office besides trying to go get tags for the car.

I'm going to go back to not tracking on MFP. I seem to have some kind of hang up when I track and I don't control as well. It is good as a guideline but not something I can use constantly.

Got to make a grocery list before DH gets up because we have a lot of places to go today.

Y'all have a great day.

Wannabehealthy 09-25-2018 04:47 PM

Ok, well, I was sauteing the chopped onion, celery and carrot in a fry pan and had the ground meat on the counter, sitting on a little piece of wax paper. I crumbled the meat and put it in the pan to brown, but didn't throw away the wax paper. It got too close to the flame on the gas range and caught fire. I tried to put it out but wax paper really burns fast!! I yelled for DH who was 5 ft away in the next room and he just replied "What?" I yelled "I've got a fire in here!" He came in and pushed me out of the way but he couldn't get it out either. He picked it up and threw it in the sink and told me to hose it down. Well the flames went up the side of the sink and started lapping my dish drainer, which thankfully is metal. I couldn't reach over the flames to turn the hose on, so DH did it. Catastrophe averted. So now I know not to leave anything like that sitting on the counter, too close to the burner. I have told him several times, "If I holler 'Jerry' you can answer 'What.' But if I scream "JERRY!!!" then come immediately!"

Trish, I only buy ground meat at the one local grocery who has been in business since before we moved here 38 years ago. That is the only store I trust for ground meat. DH ate some of it yesterday and we had it today in the chili and we are OK.

I am the opposite in my view of myself. In my mind's eye I think I am still 135 lbs and I'm shocked when I see pictures. One time in a department store I was standing near a mirror, and wondered why that woman was standing so close to me. Here I was looking at my reflection and didn't recognize myself. When I met DH he had all dark hair but has since gone gray/balding. One day at a flea market I thought I saw him walking across the aisle, then thought to myself "No, that's some old guy." Then I realized it was him!! I still think of him as that young guy I married. The mind can play games with us.

I ate too much chili, but I didn't eat anything else today but my morning eggs.

pattygirl63 09-25-2018 07:13 PM

Carol Sue I got a real chuckle thinking of about the older man in the store being your DH. I'm sure glad you got the fire put out. I understand about needing your DH and them not coming. Crazy.

Did a quick flyby to see Daddy and turn his phone on. It was charged but is hard to turn on, but I did finally get it to work. Got the car inspected and went to Walmart and got our flu shot, meds and a few groceries. Didn't go get the tag yet as I can go to the local store and get that in the morning. I will leave here and go by doctor's office to get the samples they have ready for us and then go get the tags and few other things I couldn't get at Walmart.

We stopped by the KFC to bring lunch home. I'm surprised that I couldn't eat as much as I used to. In fact I feel stuffed. One interesting thing is that all I had for breakfast was a bowl of Whole gain shredded wheat cereal with 1/2 banana, 2 slices of bacon and my coffee. I checked my bs like I always do before main meal and bs was 96. I think that is the lowest it has ever been. The nice thing is that while I was starving, I didn't have the shakes etc like I usually do when it goes to a new low. So something must be working for the bs, Now to get it working for the weight to move down. Really think the key for me will be IF.



fatmad 09-26-2018 06:14 AM

Carol: I am certainly not going to shame you for eating an egg with dry toast! I miss toast! While this WOE is working for me, it still means depriving myself of food I really like sometimes. (so does having coeliac, but that's not negotiable, so the toast is off the table) I will say that my love of toast and other types of baked goods was a downfall for me. I could not control my urges for foods with wheat, breads, cereals, baked goods) had me falling off every diet. But that was me.
You seem to be able to have a reasonable amount of those foods, and if that is working for you, then keep on and enjoy.
Just like there seem to be people who have embrace vegetarian lifestyle to work with weight loss and diabetes, and they too are successful. I won't judge, or at least, I hope not.
I did wind up eating a late supper. I was tired and hungry, Definitely not getting enough sleep. Hoping I can get something arranged with the CPAP. I slept without it most of the night. And woke up at 430 unable to get back to sleep. So no doubt will have a difficult day. Its a long day at the office, so I will pack low carb food and not try to fast. too tired to do that. I seem to be getting bites, or a rash with hives. Can't find any bugs, and DH has no bites, so not sure whats up. Reaction to the hot tub chemicals?
Trish, I hope you are enjoying having a dog around for a while. I miss DD dog. They were here on the weekend, and I took her for walks and just generally enjoyed her. I hope the dog you are taking care of is a sweetie.
Have a good day

Wannabehealthy 09-26-2018 08:04 AM

Mad, I don't eat toast every day. Just occasionally. If DH cooks breakfast, he makes scrambled eggs so no toast. But when I cook breakfast, I make over easy eggs with a runny yolk and like to dip my toast in the yolk. That was how I ate eggs most of my life, but when DH started cooking our breakfast, he does not like runny yolks. So it's just a treat for me. There are 2 breads that I can buy that are low calorie, lower carb and higher fiber. They are very small thin slices. I keep it in the freezer and it last me for months. DH also cooks the scrambled eggs in lots of butter. I cook mine with Pam. So that's a calorie difference. If I were to eat DH's commercial white bread, I could really go overboard. Bread anything made similar is my big downfall. I just have to not eat any in the first place. My bread is a little easier to resist because I have to get it out of the freezer and defrost it if I'm not going to toast it, and that is enough to make me stop and think what I'm doing. I often forget that bread is in there.

I am wondering if maybe you no longer need your CPAP. You said you slept without it. I could not sleep without mine. I would wake up gasping for air every 5 minutes. A coworker lost weight with WLS and no longer needed her CPAP. The same with a woman on the LC forum who lost with LC. Wouldn't that be nice?

There was a program online a year or so ago about a plant based diet as a remedy for diabetes and some other diseases. It was called iThrive, and of course, they were selling DVDs of the program. It was not vegan or vegetarian, though. Vegans and vegetarians eat carbs such as bread, pasta and rice, potatoes. A plant based diet does not include starchy carbs. That makes a big difference. I am at the point where the only meat I like is chicken. DH made some hamburgers the other day and they turned me off just looking at them. I enjoyed my chili last night which did contain ground beef, but it was not a lot of meat so that was OK. The meatloaf I made this week was good too, but there are a lot of things mixed in with that meat. I used to love grilled or roasted pork but not much anymore. I don't know what is causing this. I can eat deli meat, but only on a sandwich, and that's out since I am avoiding bread. Certain deli turkey is OK and I can eat that rolled up with a slice of cheese, but most deli meat tastes too salty and greasy for me these days. And I used to love McDonald's Sausage and Egg McMuffin. I can't eat their sausage now, and even their eggs don't taste good to me. I love the english muffin, though. LOL The one part I am NOT supposed to be eating.

Trish, your blood sugar of 96 before dinner is GREAT, and also the fact that you were not experiencing symptoms. I think your next A1c is going to be very good!

Too bad you can't get DH to watch his carbs more. He could get better readings and a better A1c. I know my DH would never be a good diabetic. He loves his carbs way too much.

Wannabehealthy 09-26-2018 01:26 PM

I put my Dr Scholl's gel arch supports in the washing machine with the towels. They washed up beautifully! I wasn't sure if they were washable. I really want to get another pair of these. They aren't expensive at Walmart. I have been walking around without them all day and now I'm getting a pain in my right butt cheek. LOL I don't know if my gait is being thrown off because I don't have these in my shoe. I hope that's all it is. I don't want any more problems. I've had my fill. Just when one thing starts to improve another one starts. I didn't put them in the drying. I thought that might be pushing it. They really don't feel wet....

I googled and saw a few reasons why a person could lose their taste for meat. I didn't like any of them.

pattygirl63 09-26-2018 02:59 PM

Still have fur baby until this evening at least. He is a sweetie except when I had to chase him down and carry him back to the house this morning. LOL He is just too heavy for me to do that. I don't think he was running from me. He was exploring the backyard and being blind I think he couldn't get back to me even though I was calling him. I realized that when he heard a dog in the neighborhood barking and he tried to find him and couldn't tell where he was barking from. It was quite an experience for me. LOL His in and settled and al his well.

DS called this morning and my niece is pretty sore where they took the lymph glands from for testing. She wants her Mother to spend the day with her so that I why I still have the dog. DN has 3 dogs of her own and they are big dogs. DS is going to take the calmer of the 3 home with her as she and the new puppy start playing nd end up fighting like a couple of kids and DN doesn't need to have to pull them apart. She and this dog get along fine too and not sure how the new pup would do with Teddy Bear.

Got my running done this morning and got the tags for the car and DH meds from docs office. I didn't want to eat before I left and really wanted to fast, but had not committed to it; I just decided to decide as I go along. My weight and FBS was up a little which upset me until I remembered we had the KFC lunch yesterday and it is normal for both to be up a bit. It wasn't up as much as it usually would be and I think that is because I don't eat more than I need. DH will eat the leftover potatoes and cole slaw and I put the left over chicken in the freezer. I will either thaw it and debone for a salad or throw it out trash day. I don't usually like cold fast food fried chicken.

The nice thing about eating the carby fiber carbs that I am eating now is that I am staying satisfied longer and I'm not cravings or wanting snacks. I have not eaten today. I just haven't been hungry so I'm doing a 24 hr fast today. I don't know if it will end up being a 2MAD OR OMAD. This is where my IE part of this plan will guide me today. When we went to Walmart yesterday, neither one of us was even tempted by the candy. I actually picked up a bag and told DH that was the size bag of candy Daddy had bought at Walmart yesterday when they went. I can't believe it, but I was never tempted to buy any of it. DH did get several boxes of the bars we get there. They had 2 new flavors of pumpkin spice and carrot cake and asked if I wanted them. I had him get them because I told him maybe that will keep me from wanting candy. I know I may have one of those once in a while, but not everyday. So I consider that a great accomplishment for me. I would like to finally do at least 2 24 hr fasts a week, but I decided that for right now I just need to work at staying within the 8 hr eating window. Once I get that down, then I can work at doing smaller eating windows. This needs to become a comfortable lifestyle for me.

A few years back while doing IE, I used the Beck Diet Solution guidelines especially writing down some of the confessions they have you say to yourself to change your thinking. I got those items and the book back out to use it to help me get my mind set right.

Carol Sue I am getting away from eating so much bread although I do eat it. I still like my homemade Egg McMuffins as they are a lot less calories. I use Pam when I cook eggs too. In fact, I've started using lowfat dairy again too. I was going to get FF milk for me and 2% for DH when we were at Walmart, but he told me to just get 1% for both of us. I was really hoping he would decide to do that, but I didn't want to be the one to suggest it. I actually found 2% Sharp cheddar shredded cheese this morning. Our local sales their shredded cheeses 2 for $5 so I got 2 of them and put one in the freezer. I do still use butter as I don't really want to use margarine and I don't think some fat is going to hurt us since we all need some of the healthier fats.

Mad I hope you are able to have a good day. You are really doing such a great job and making such good progress. You are an inspiration. I've kind of learned from you that we have to do what we have to do for our own bodies.

Y'all have a great day.


Wannabehealthy 09-26-2018 03:09 PM

I just noticed that my post from Monday ended up being one big long paragraph. I think it was done on my phone, but other posts I do on my phone don't turn out like that. I don't know why. It was very hard to read.

I buy stick butter for DH because that's what he likes, but I use the soft tub butter with Olive oil from Aldi's. I tried the one from Walmart and it tasted terrible. I threw it out. DH said maybe it was not refrigerated properly somewhere along the line and it spoiled. It looked fine.

I put my heel inserts back in my shoes and I feel fine.

Wannabehealthy 09-27-2018 07:59 AM

I feel so good this morning! I felt terrible last evening. I went to bed early and watched TV. Eventually I fell asleep and slept straight through until 4AM. I got up and went to the bathroom and fell right back to sleep until 6:30. DH got up at 7AM and made coffee so I got up, too. I haven't taken anything for sleep for months, not even Tylenol, but I have been taking Tart Cherry Extract, and I saw someone mention that it helps them sleep. After I switched it to taking it in the AM to taking it at bedtime I have slept better. I'm taking it for pain relief, but maybe it helps with sleep, too.

I need some things from Walmart, and I should probably go early in the morning when it's not crowded and get that out of the way. I did a couple loads of laundry yesterday so I feel that I'm getting caught up with things.

fatmad 09-27-2018 08:48 AM

Carol: that IS one of the things I miss about bread/toast, I love dipping it in my runny egg yolk. And yes, I usually did dry toast, because nothing else was needed to enhance that wonderful taste. And was certainly one of my downfalls for doing low carb. That's why I say coeliac disease may save me, because not being able to eat those foods will keep me on plan for the most part. Another reason not to look too deeply into gluten free options. Even if they do taste ok.
Today was a weighing day, and I'm down just under 159. That's after two days of eating. I am going to wait before fasting again too. I sometimes forget, its much harder for me if I fast again too soon. Some people just eat every couple of days while in weight loss/fasting mode. At least on the support sites. I need to remember not to expect too much of myself, and that what I have been doing is working and working well. No need to rush things. I have another week before I leave for Scotland and I can have a fast during that time. Being gentle with myself works better in general anyhow.

I also convinced DH to make me some scrambled eggs. He sautes some onions first, and then tops them with a little cheese. All in all will be a great low carb/high fat breakfast for me. If i cheat and add some ketchup, thats on me, LOL.

I slept better last night too. I think you are right Carol, I'm kind of on the cusp of maybe not needing the CPAP anymore. My pressures are not too high, but I think I just need a little. In the end I couldn't get to sleep without it on, but after waking once, left it off. DH says I am not snoring that he can hear, so no worries, and weight loss not stalling, (when I started needing the CPAP, I think the sleep apnea was driving the weight gain). So I will again, just do what I need to do. Still dithering about whether I should bother going for the consult in November. My impression is that the place doesn't get paid for the sleep study until the consultation happens. Might be my leverage. On my trip, I will allow myself to take Gravol or allergy meds if needed to assist sleep and keep me on the new schedule. Will see how the jet lag takes me. But those will also help keep my airways clear.
And with the sleep, I woke up in a pretty good mood today too.
Trish, enjoy the little dog, and hope you can get out and do your walking or in and do your biking. Whatever works for you, both are good for you.

Wannabehealthy 09-27-2018 12:49 PM

Mad, I would not want onions or cheese with my eggs. I can eat them with other chopped veggies, but really prefer them plain. The only way I like cheese is to just eat plain cheese by itself. I can enjoy a grilled cheese, but that's rare because of the bread. I can no longer eat cheese on a burger, and like I said, I'm actually turned off by burgers anymore. I occasionally order a bacon, turkey club sandwich in a restaurant, but ask for it with no cheese. I don't know why I love it by itself but not with most other foods.

My CPAP mask has stretched out some and doesn't fit as good as it should. DH says it makes a sound like a cat meowing. LOL I sometimes hear it, and adjust the mask.

pattygirl63 09-27-2018 03:06 PM

Carol Sue and Mad I also like toast with my over easy eggs so I've decided to go back to a low carb/keto type of breakfast with either scrambled eggs or omelets. I'm not tempted to have toast with them so it is best for me to make lover easy eggs a rare thing.

I know that I need the fiber because it does keep me regular without potty issues. However, I need to eat more of a low carb way of eating so I have decided to create my own semi-CAD type plan. I say semi because I still have my 1/2 banana with my low carb breakfast. Lunch needs to be whatever DH and I can eat together and then I am going to work at having chicken, tuna or salmon type salads in the evening. I suddenly am in the mood for the salads and I want to take advantage of it while I feel this way.

I was looking through The Beck Solution yesterday and I realized that I still use some of the things it recommends. I didn't realize that one of the things it suggested to do was write out my eating plan for the day in advance. I've done this so long that it really becomes easy. It isn't always easy to do on MFP but I might not have to. I think she suggests having a notebook and write down what you plan to eat. I used to do that and could go back to that again. She also suggests visualizing yourself the way you want to look at a lower weight. When I went to bed last night, I could actually visualize the way I looked at 165 lbs so I went to sleep with that picture in my mind. I've always heard that you need to see yourself smaller.

She also suggests sitting and seeing yourself at a party or buffet and choosing better choices of food and then see yourself spending more time visiting with others than focusing on the food. It seems to use a lot of learning to focus on something else and learn to talk to yourself about decisions you are making as you learn to change your mindset to thoughts of success. I realized that I do some of these things that I learned back then. For example, even when doing CAD and I was going out to eat, I check out the restaurant menu when possible and I have already decided what I'm going to order when I get there.

So I'm going to go back and read and learn how to follow some of the stages she has you go through so I can get myself back on track.

Fur baby went home last night. We enjoyed having him but it was time for him and us. As much as we enjoyed him, we still don't want to get one. I guess if we could get a small dog that is as well behaved as he was we might consider it, but it is just a responsibility we don't want full time for now. DH DD is going to breed Yorkys and baby sister is going to breed Yorkpoohs and both have offered to give us one so by that time, we might change our minds, but not sure we will.

Have a nice day everybody.

pattygirl63 09-27-2018 09:46 PM

I can't say that my diet itself is perfect, but I have stayed within the 8 hr window today. Drinking a lot of water as I am struggling not to eat anything else tonight. I'm doing my best to make this a successful IF day.

Pipsicle 09-28-2018 01:55 AM

Still churning along. Doing reasonably well with roughly a 16:8 IF schedule. I've kept a pound off for almost a week. Super pleased with that. I've been doing better at watching my calories. Also, have put # values to my NSV visual to help gauge my progress even if the scale won't cooperate.

Wannabehealthy 09-28-2018 08:24 AM

Hi Pipsicle. I think you are learning new eating habits. That's always a good thing, and the weight loss will come eventually. I think when you start eating right, you can even get a small weight gain to start with because your body was used to what you were doing before, but then it turns around and you start to lose. Maintaining that one lb loss is significant, because after that comes another lb loss.

Trish, I usually have a half banana when I first get up so I can take meds since I don't eat for a while.

I slept very well again last night...straight through until 6:45. I don't know what's doing this but I don't want it to stop. I have been falling asleep faster. too. It has never taken me long to fall asleep, but lately I drop off as soon as my head hits the pillow. I have heard that about the Tart Cherry Extract, I don't know.

We went to the casino yesterday. I took my Kindle and sat in the food court and read for a while. I was not in the mood for gambling. I get tired of it. DH doesn't. After a while he won some money so since he was ahead I decided to spend some of my money. Right away I won $200, so I was happy we came out ahead. We had our last free buffet coupons for September and I didn't want to go today because I want to do final prep for DGS coming on Saturday. I have made a lot of headway with getting some of the clutter out of his room, and now I have to clean off his bed. I still have some clothes piled there. I think I will make some brownies, too. He likes them, and I can take the leftovers to his house on Sunday when we go for lunch.

Now that the weather is turning colder I'm finding it harder to drink my water. I always feel cold and want something hot to drink.

fatmad 09-28-2018 08:37 AM

successfully staying below 160, all week now. A real win. I am eating and staying there. Now for the weight loss again.... when ready.
I am going to see if the people who sold me my CPAP will adjust the pressures for me based on the readings from the machine.
The sleep lab hasn't called back, and I am spending about 1/2 the night not using it, the last two. I had a good sleep last night too. I still have trouble getting to sleep for the first part without it. There is just enough stuffiness in my nose to affect breathing through it when I first lay down. The CPAP is great for that, the pressure clearing it up.

Pipsicle: congrats on the loss. Small steps are fine, and if you are getting used to 16:8 that is a big win for you. Have you been able to read either the Diabetes Code or Obesity Code? figuring out next steps for changes that will bring more weight loss would be good. Now I rarely have diet soda, sticking with tea, water and soda water.
I am pretty happy with my eating most of the time. Its satisfying and yummy, I enjoy it when I do eat. I also don't mind when I don't.

Enjoyed my eggs with onions yesterday, then away all day for a rally. (midwives won a human rights tribunal case for pay equity recently, I testified at the hearings, so a big deal for me) But no appropriate food on the journey, so I fasted, but ate supper late evening (ribs and salad). So not a perfect IF day by any means, but worked ok. Not sure if today will be OMAD with eating supper or fasting into tomorrow. No big plans for the weekend, other than taking the little girls to the pumpkin patch on Sunday.

Have a lovely day, everyone


pattygirl63 09-28-2018 10:24 AM

I'm on my way out this morning so will have to make this a flyby. Sounds like everybody is doing really good. Very inspiring.

Pipsicle 1 lb loss is great. That is what I have lost since my recent gain and I am so thrilled that it is showing me that I am beginning to lose again.

I couldn't go to sleep right away so I got up and read some out of Obesity Code and looked at the diet meal plans in the book. I am pleased to know that that fruit is allowed on his plan along with oats which means to me that a small amount of grains is allowable. I did make my 1st day of 16:8. And I will be doing that for as long as I need to. I hope that there will come a time when I can go back to my 19:5 IF, but until then I am happy doing things this way.

BBL


fatmad 09-28-2018 06:36 PM

Trish, I still have my steel cut oats cooked in milk every once in a while. And a little fruit a few times a week. (mostly berries, but occasionally a peach. )
enjoy!

pattygirl63 09-28-2018 07:59 PM

PIpsicle I looked at Dr. Fung's Obesity Code book last night to see what he recommends eating and the different ways to do IF. I hear so much about LCHF and Keto etc that I wanted to know what he had to say about what we eat. I also found it interesting to read that not everyone does EF as many do the 16:8 ratio. Explaining what I learned as best as I understand it... One thing h e says that I had not seen before is to give this way of eating a month to get used to. He also says it might be a little difficult in the beginning to do it 100% so to it is good to be patient with yourself. and give yourself time to get into a routine. I think I need to read the book some more, possibly on a regular basis at least until I get used to what I am doing and why because what little I read last night has really helped me with today. So I think we are both doing pretty good at this point.

Carol Sue Congratulations on the $200 win. You really seem to do your gambling wisely.

I too am sleeping so much better lately although I don't really know why. I think it must be the fact that I don't have any real stress at this time. Figuring out the best way for me to do IF is helping even more to help with the de-stressing. I know there is always something, but hope things can stay like this for a while. I am going to enjoy it while it lasts. Enjoy being with your DGS.

mad You are doing great. I've learned a lot from your sharing and am back to reading the book. I hope I can eventually do EF as I think it would really be good for me. I think I might could do a 24 hr fast a couple of days a week, but I might have to work up to it and do it on a day that I can stay home. I like the fact that he gave different ways to do it. If your traveling is like when we travel, I always found it easy to fast because I was in a car and usually only did 2MAD with an occasional snack. However, I have to say that the last few times we made trips, I would plan on a snack and start to eat it and never have it. I think once you get used to not eating one that you aren't tempted that often.

Baby sister called DS and me today. They were having problems with that woman harassing them and had to change their phones and for now she has deactivated her FB account. I am going to go get her on the 8th to go with us for Daddy's nerve test and then I will go get her on the 9th and take her to our beautician for a perm. We are going to make it a day together and go see Daddy after she is done with her perm. Not sure if we are going to do Thanksgiving or Christmas but she said her boys could get Daddy and bring him to the house so he could be with us. I think they are just having to g et things settled. They still have to go back for dr appoints and one business deal and hopefully they won't have to go back any more. I'm just glad she called.

My breakfast this morning was similar to one of Dr. Fung's samples this morning. I had my Greek yogurt with 1/2 banana and I put chia seeds and cinnamon in it. His suggestion was berries and flaxseed. Lunch was tilapia, salad, mixed veggies and 70% Cocoa candy for dessert. The 70% Cocoa dark chocolate was one of the dessert suggestions in his book. Very satisfying a filling.


pattygirl63 09-28-2018 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fatmad (Post 5370500)
Trish, I still have my steel cut oats cooked in milk every once in a while. And a little fruit a few times a week. (mostly berries, but occasionally a peach. )
enjoy!

Thanks Mad. I have regular oats, but I did get some steel cut oats at Walmart the other day. Dr. Fung shows different foods for breakfast which are foods I like including the steel cut oats and 2 eggs and bacon. I just couldn't see eating them together for breakfast. He has them suggested for 2 breakfast on different day. I figure I can have the eggs & bacon on days I want and the steel cut oats on other days and have a nice variety.

Wannabehealthy 09-28-2018 09:24 PM

Trish, now you made me hungry for Talapia. I have some in the freezer, but DH won't eat it so I can only make it for myself if there's something else I can make for him, like steak or hamburgers. I always have those things in the freezer as they are quick to defrost and cook. The first time I had Talapia was at Dennys. I liked it so I started buying bags of it frozen from Walmart. They had it on the menu at another restaurant we used to go to but they had some type of sauce on theirs and I didn't like the sauce. I just cook it on my grill pan with salt, pepper and olive oil spray.

I don't have a lot of patience with DGS like DH does. I never had children of my own and don't really know how to deal with them. I like them to sit quietly and behave and 10 year old boys don't do that. LOL His antics get the dog all riled up and then he starts barking and growling. He is going to want to stay up late and DH lets him. He won't get his jammies on or brush his teeth when I tell him. I really can't wait until this is over with. What a terrible Grandma I am. LOL

fatmad 09-29-2018 06:59 AM

Good morning friends: had a treat last night and enjoyed a hard cider while watching a movie. I am off to the farmers market soon, and we will get some maple syrup to take to Scotland for gifts where we stay. Also a few veggies and some meat for the next few days, and maybe fish. We have a great fishmonger there and his wife who works with him is a former neighbour.
I got a big dreaded job out of the way yesterday. I have renew my professional registration every year and that means gathering all the paperwork and certifications, the certificates from courses etc and inputting everything into the computer. Takes hours, but the deadline is October 1st, and I would rather be getting ready for my trip. So finally got that done, but telling myself no supper (I was doing OMAD) and no hot tub until it was done. Ahhh bureaucracy, what a good thing to have behind you.
So now to start getting things ready to pack. Also very glad I am not working this week as it turns out with the trade because of my sore arm. Thats been good fortune in its way because now I have all week to get ready. I think the only task left besides packing is to get some British pounds at the currency exchange. Its a LOT cheaper there than at the airport or through the credit card and ATM. We will mostly use it for meals. I figure 1 meal out per day, (supper) and make our own at the B&B for breakfast or lunch. (I plan to to 2MAD most of the time, but make it while the others have breakfast, or do breakfast and supper. )
And if the pubs and restaurants don't seem to have food I can eat, I can go to the grocers and get stuff to cook since the airbnb will have a kitchen.
DD is now on the first part of her holiday, scuba diving , and will meet us after we get to Glasgow.
I guess I'm starting to get really excited.

Carol: I laugh hearing about adventures with DGS. If you are not a kiddie person, thats no biggie, and its not always easy to be patient. But just remember he is being normal, (and you seem to get that) and that it won't last forever, and he will be too old to want to spend time with Grandparents before you know it. I for one love the kid thing, looking forward to taking the littles to the pumpkin patch tomorrow. Do you have some fun things out and about in town to do? Kids get more "hyper" when bored and unable to run of their high energy. Is there a zoo, or a sport thing? rock climbing gym to take him to? Hope you get through the weekend with some happy memories.

Trish: glad you are re-reading TOC. I am finding a few more people on the support sites who are not doing crazy long fasts or KETO, or strict LCHF eating. Many of us are doing fine. I am probably closer to LCHF than you would be happy with, but still eat lots of veggies, which we both love, a little fruit and occasional grain. But a healthy diet with a smaller eating window will also lead to weight loss. If you can slip in a 22 hour fast with OMAD (and a good feasting at the OMAD) once or twice a week, once you have gotten used to IF, that will kick start a good weight loss and blood sugar drop. For the first while thats what I did, didn't go beyond IF for a bit, and I still can't fast and do EF for long. Maybe I never will. Maybe I never have to!

Sorry to be so long, just feeling chatty today.

Wannabehealthy 09-29-2018 08:24 AM

Mad, DGS spends a lot more time with his other grandparents as they have other grandchildren and know how to interact with kids. They live closer and they do camping and a lot of other things to interest DGS. He is going spelunking with the Cub Scouts today and won't be coming to our house until 4PM. Then dinner, and DH wants to take him to the car cruise so that doesn't really leave a lot of time for other activities. I know being with us is probably boring to him, but it's only because his parents are having that party that is not appropriate for him to be around.

It was chilly in our house this morning so I baked the brownies right away to allow the oven to warm up the house. Now I will shower and finish up last minute cleaning. I don't think DGS will notice if my house is clean or dirty but I will know.

pattygirl63 09-29-2018 01:20 PM

Mad Thanks for the advise. I think that I can do a longer fast once in a while and now that I've read what I have in IOC, I am more comfortable with my woe. I hope to make today just a 2MAD, however, I kind of go by how I feel later as to whether I will eat a snack or not. Your trip sounds exciting. I think you will do really good. For one thing I notice you usually have a lot of activity (exercise) when you travel and that will help you a lot.

Carol Sue I loved having children around when I was younger when I had the energy and was able to interact with them, but I don't have the energy today that I had back then. I wanted to spend a lot of time with my little great GS when I moved here but they don't have time to bring him and I don't have energy to keep him by myself. Such a shame. Kids these days want to be on some sort of game etc and I don't have those any more. I used to sit on the floor with my kids and grandkids, but can't do that any more.

Today is WI and I am down 1.6 lb this week. My FBS is still in low 150's with an occasional drop in high 140s. I'm sure that is due to not doing the bike exercise. I start out good at on Saturdays but I now need to make it more days. I only did it 2 days last week so will try to do better this week. I sleep good but just can't seem to get any more than 6 or 7 hrs at night. Another thing that would be better if I would exercise more often.

Dr. Fung says give this a month so I am doing to do my best to bike exercise 3 or 4 days a week minimum at 20 minutes and do more 16:8 IF. If I can just accomplish that for 1 month that would really be great.

Y'all have a great day.

Wannabehealthy 09-29-2018 01:53 PM

I think you are doing great, Trish, and so is Mad!

When I was in my 20s, I took my niece and nephew a lot of places with me. They were very well behaved by threat of their mother. I would never have told her if they did not behave, but she told them they had to be good, so they were afraid to be bad. My brother and his wife were very strict with them. That was back when kids were afraid to not listen. Now days the kids make the rules, it seems.

I know it won't be long until my DGS does not want to come to stay at our house, but for things like this party he has no choice. Pap Pap does like to play with him. DH has computer games that DGS does not have at home so it's something different for him. It's so funny! DH has slot machines on the computer and he lets DGS play them. He is turning him into a gambler at 10 years old. LOL DGS doesn't realize it's gambling. It's just a computer game to him.

There are places online where you can use your credit card to gamble online. If DH ever figures out how to do that I'm in big trouble. So far, all he knows how to do on the computer is YouTube. He is really into gambling. We take a certain amount of money with us and when that's gone, we come home. On Thursday I went into the Food Court with my Kindle. I didn't spend any of my money until I realized he had won some. That's when I went to that one machine and won $200. I stopped playing and took that home along with the rest of my money I hadn't spent. DH would keep playing until the money is gone if I let him. One of us has to have some common sense. LOL

pattygirl63 09-29-2018 02:56 PM

Carol Sue That is great that you can gamble with common sense. I'm not sure if I would do that or not. Maybe now hat I am older and have played lotto scratch offs, I think I would be wise. We were so excited when we got the Lotto here in TX and I used to play the scratch off tickets and most of the time when I would win I would spend my winnings on more tickets except one time when I won enough to pay a bill I needed to pay. However, I got in the habit of playing so much that one day I realized how many $1 tickets I had spent to win $5 or $10 and stopped because I suddenly understood that I was never ahead. Now the good tickets are so much more expensive that I don't play any more. I did have fun though. LOL!!!

I don't know how I ended this before I was finished.

Anyway, I started reading on Dr. Funds FB page again today and it was really informative and inspiring. They do a Facelift Friday on there and some people are taking pics of before when they started IF and how they looked on Friday. Some a week old or some more. It is amazing how these people have no flab or wrinkles. Definitely an encouragement to do IF especially at my age. I don't have a lot of wrinkles and I would definitely like to lose and still have none. Gives me the incentive to stay OP.

So I took a selfie today on my cell phone and saved it. On November 1st I will take another one and compare it. I don't do FB on my cell phone so will never put it on there, but it is for me to see the progress myself.

I also saw a discussion on Measuring Tape of Scales. Many of them don't use scales as their guideline. They use their clothes or their measuring tape with only a few using both. They said the scales lie. LOL where as the measuring tape gives you the whole picture. I've been trying to find one of my measuring tapes but can't find it yet, so will use the clothes and the selfies for now.

Wannabehealthy 09-29-2018 07:37 PM

Trish, I still use my scale and probably will, but I don't let it run my life. I can usually feel if I've lost weight.

I was never a gambler most of my life. When I met DH he played numbers with a bookie, but he only spent $3 - $4 a day. Once the lottery came to PA he started playing more and more. I feel that he spends more than he wins. When he does win, he gives the money to me to do what I want. I usually buy something we need for the house. The casino used to be just dog races and we never went there. Once they put slot machines in we started going and he got hooked. We don't spend more than we can afford, but it's more than I want to spend. So that's when I decided I would just take my Kindle and read and let him gamble. We do get a nice meal there and rarely have to pay anything for it. If they had free WIFI I could get online but I think they only have that for guests who are staying in the hotel.

My DGS is here and is playing his hand held game so he is quiet and content. Now we just have to get him to go to bed at a reasonable hour.

Wannabehealthy 09-29-2018 08:16 PM

DGS says he's tired already and it's only 8:15. He was up early this morning to go to the caverns and he is used to sleeping in on Saturdays. I will be so happy if he goes to bed early.

fatmad 09-29-2018 11:36 PM

Carol: one this I can do for or with the kids that takes no energy from me: go watch them play soccer. ( or whatever sport).
They will come over to say hi, ask me something, get a hug, and run off to play again. The big thing, they know I was there.

I don't get every week, and sometimes don't stay for the whole thing. But its just a time to be there.
Maybe even DH can go without you if he just wants to see more of him, or you if you want a little more relationship with him.
I can understand how having an active kid around is a bit much for older people. There will come a time when I feel that too, I'm sure.

Tonight I made pan fried fish. Used crushed pork rinds for the coating. Seasoned a little, and was delicious. the fresh haddock was great.
My recipe says to fully thaw and dry previously frozen fish. so dipped in egg and coated and fried. Yum

and tomorrow is the pumpkin patch!


fatmad 09-30-2018 09:24 AM

great sleep, which is lovely. I am sleeping half the night with the CPAP and half without. I am going to look up online to change pressures myself, since it won't get done at the sleep lab without a doc saying so. I guess I still have to go to the useless doc's appointment if I want a new CPAP. I don't think I am quite ready to give it up altogether. SO it comes to Scotland with me.
The scale was not upset with me for having some home made fries with my fish last night, instead of salad. I think I have been having just enough carbs through my fruit and veggies, that I do not have a rebound weight gain of water from the carbs when I do have them.

I am getting ready for the pumpkin patch this afternoon, so have a lovely Sunday. We have some light rain, but it will clear up, so should be a good autumn day

pattygirl63 09-30-2018 02:13 PM

I have 2 successful 8:16 IF days under my belt. They always say the 3rd day is tough to get through, but I really don't expect it to be. I just don't understand how eating a little more carbs works better for me as long as I stay within the 8 hrs. I think it is the healthy fiber. I'm not eating really high fiber, but I am eating more than usual. I made pizza yesterday and ate almost half of it, but I loaded my half with veggies and I always make a salad to go with it. I am trying to learn to eat more mindfully. I like wait and eat only if hungry and eat what I want (IE guideline), but eat until satisfied and then stop. That seems to be working very well.

Weight bounced up a tad from the sodium in the pizza which is normal for me, however the FBS was back down to 147 this morning. I'm not going to worry to much about the scales. For one thing I know that the scales always bounce a lot for me before I go down. I also remember being told years ago by WW you need to give a diet 2 weeks before expecting a loss. I feel very comfortable with this way of eating. I am pretty much using the GL diet along with IF with some IE guidelines. So I am sure this will work. I don't know if it will be slow loss or what, but what I do know is I'm eating healthier and any loss is good as long as my bs is getting better.

My main guidance I am taking from what is suggested on FB IDM support group is to use NSV to measure my success. They really stress the fact that the scales lie and that measuring tape is the best friend on this way of eating. I really believe the scale sabotages me and perhaps the measuring tape, loose clothes, etc will make things easier for me.

Pipsicle We are about neck in neck on our IF. I've been thinking of you as I'm tweaking what I'm doing. I hope you are having success as I think you are doing the same thing. We are going to make this.

Carol Sue and Mad I love being around my great nephews and great GS, but I just can't keep any of them any more. I'm not steady enough at this time to carry them so it is better for me to see them when their folks are around. I hope with exercise and weight loss that will change, but I would ve devastated if I ever dropped or fell with while holding one of them. We have gobs of movies for kids as we always bought them when the grands were little and I have a corner with toys for them, so entertaining them isn't a problem. My little GNephew who use to come over with his Mother loves dinosaurs. We have movies and toys about dinosaurs to keep him happy. The problem I have with some of the other even his little brother is that they meddle and you have to watch them constantly as they get into things that could harm them. So now I figure it is better for me to go see them or when they are a little older I could take them somewhere.

I got a new message from IDM about a new article Dr. Fung has that looks like it is about what to ignore about traditional diabetic recommendations. I saved it to read so I can see what he says.

Y'all have a blessed Sunday.


pattygirl63 09-30-2018 02:30 PM

Nothing new in the IDM article. It was discussing some new book or writing called Unf…. yourself. Not really sure what it says, but Dr. Fung uses it to show how the ADA and the CDA still sell the thought that we can eat white flour and sugar as diabetes which makes blood sugar worse. Then they recommend his books. It is good for people who are new to IDM and Dr. Fung.

Wannabehealthy 09-30-2018 08:17 PM

The experience with DGS was not what I expected. He has really calmed down since the last time he stayed with us and he listens so much better. I guess he's growing up.

Not much else is new with me. Still struggling with BS and weight. I'm just maintaining.

pattygirl63 10-01-2018 12:31 AM

Carol Sue So glad things went well with DGS.

I didn't eat enough at my evening meal/snack because I wasn't that hungry however, I have to admit that later I got so hungry. Although it was such a struggle, I actually made it through the evening without giving in and eating. So I now have made it through 3 days successfully.

Pipsicle 10-01-2018 03:40 AM

Thank you everyone for all of the encouraging words!

I had many tick marks in the right column but it didn't translate to the scale. In fact, I bounced back up - grrr. Hope everyone has a great week!

fatmad 10-01-2018 07:37 AM

Trish, congrats on 3 days in a row of IF. Great going. Over time getting through the hungriest gets a little easier. And you don't notice as much.
I am going to recommend both you and Pipsicle try the waist measurements. Lots of people see changes in belly measurements even before the scale changes.
So don't despair Pipsicle. Get a baseline measurement if you have not already done so.
I am going to try one of the moderators challenges, so thats fasting today and feasting tomorrow. then repeat. I have not managed more than one EF fast per week. (beyond the 18 hr of IF). I am not sure I'm ready, but if I was ever ready, its likely now. Just a kick before my trip, as I won't do any EF then, but do plan to stick to some form of IF.
I am thinking of lunch and supper, but I may pack the lunch at the airbnb before we go out for the day.

I also report I have a GREAT sleep last night. I managed to get into the settings of my CPAP and lowered my pressures by 1 point. It had been at 9, higher than I thought, I lowered to 8, to see how that did for me. I didn't want to go too low too fast. I slept 4 hours and woke for the bathroom, and put it on again, (lately I have not been replacing it at this point of the night) and slept until 630. so 7.5 hours over all and good quality sleep too. Felt wonderful. It will take the rest of the week to see if this will be just right for me, but it seems the insomnia itself is much better and the night waking was fine, so if this continues I will be doing well.

We will be packing today, the laundry is basically done now, unless something else comes up in the next couple of days. If we pack now, we have time to think of new things and see how the weight settles. We are to take some things for our daughter, but will be bringing them back, I think. So I won't be leaving stuff behind to make up for the shopping I might do. I am taking some wine and maple syrup for host gifts but will likely replace that weight with scotch. We are to buy at least one bottle for our neighbour who is a collector.

Carol: I am so glad your experience hosting your grandson has been more positive, probably for both of you! thats great. You won't be dreading the next visit, and can enjoy his company more.

We had a great time at the pumpkin farm. There was a large activity and play area, so those little girls spent 2 hours playing outside. First we did the giant corn maze, (that was over 30 minutes, ) then just lots of play, climbing and running. So any hyperactive tendencies were spent. finally, we got to do some "pumpkin launching" like big slingshots for mini pumpkins, which was hilarious, with the little one doing better than the rest of us. Then we picked our pumpkins and went home for tea and hot chocolate. They played nicely at home and I stayed for another hour or so, and got to read a story. One goal was quality nice time with the youngest. She is transitioning out of nap time, and has been grumpy a lot, the last few times I saw her, so I wanted some fun with her, with less grumping, so total success on that level.

All in all, I am in a great mood right now, and looking forward overall.

Hoping for a good week for all of us.

Wannabehealthy 10-01-2018 08:01 AM

Mad, I would like to know how you adjusted your CPAP. When I had my last sleep study they increased mine and it seemed like too much pressure at first, but then I think I adjusted to it, but sometimes it still seems like too much. It's hard for me to tell. Also, I got a new machine now. I thought I read somewhere that this new machine adjusts the pressure automatically to what you need. I will have to read up on that, too. They didn't give me too much info when I got it, just showed me how to use it. And I have a very hard time understanding the doctor. I just say "Uh, huh" and nod my head. LOL

EDIT: I googled and found a lot of instructions for adjusting my particular machine. I have bookmarked it and will go back to it when I have time.

Trish, I think it's GREAT how well you are doing with IF, not to eat, even though you felt a little hungry. One of the women on the LC forum has a quote in her siggy "Hunger is not an emergency." And that's true. Look how many times people have to fast for medical procedures. After the doctor had me on that 6 day fast in the hospital I realized that you can get through it as long as you're drinking enough fluid. Years ago I didn't realize I was fasting. I just used to try to go longer without eating. I noticed if I got busy doing something I forgot about it. It's like your stomach is thinking "Well, I guess I should just get over it. She's NOT going to give me anything." LOL

Wannabehealthy 10-01-2018 08:49 AM

Yesterday my step-daughter and I had a screaming match over money issues. Poor DH was stuck in the middle. He agrees with me that by age 50 she should have learned to take responsibility for herself, but he was keeping quiet and I just couldn't. She stomped out and told DH "See you next year." I don't think she means that, but I told him that next year is only a couple months away. Her birthday is Wednesday. I was going to bake her a cake that she loves, that her grandmother baked for years and years. After yesterday, I told DH I was not making her the cake, but after a good night's sleep I have reconsidered and will make it. She is still his daughter, and this was about her poor life management skills, and had nothing to do with her birthday. When we married, I made a vow that I would never interfere in his relationship with his kids, and I still feel that way. I don't want her to take this out on him.

I am the only one in the family who has the recipe for this cake. Once I am gone, no one will ever get to taste this cake ever again. No one else kept up the family traditions. This might be the last one ever.


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