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dgramie 08-19-2014 01:11 PM

My fbs was 95 this morning. I had a small biscuit and a slice of bacon. About 9 I had a string cheese. At 11 I felt shaky and checked and it was 66. I have never recorded a low reading before but wonder if I have had others. Sure didn't like feeling like that!!

Wannabehealthy 08-19-2014 01:38 PM

Thanks, Trish. I read somewhere about leaving the pit in. When I make guacamole I put some lemon and lime juice in it so the juice might help keep it from turning brown.

Dgramie, you are pre-diabetic rather than diabetic, right? Not on any meds? Even Metformin will not drop your blood sugar. It's possible that you have hypoglycemia. I used to get those shaky feelings if I went a long time without food, but that was before diagnosis and I had no way to test. Some people with pre-diabetes have hypoglycemia. I get shaky sometimes if my BS drops quickly, but when I test it's not low...just low for me. The only time I had a reading in the 60s was when I had taken glimiperide, which does lower BS. Maybe someone who has experience with hypoglycemia will post a more informative reply.

dgramie 08-19-2014 02:11 PM

I am prediabetic and on no meds at all for it. I had a thick ham sandwich and a few chips for lunch and 1.5 hrs later it's 105.
My oldest daughter had hypoglycemia when she was younger. She really had a rough time with it.

Wannabehealthy 08-19-2014 04:07 PM

Dgramie, a friend of mine had it. She was a tiny little thing...no diabetes or anything. She was told not to eat any sugar unless it was eaten with the rest of her meal. If I ate a sandwich I would be over 200 1.5 hr later!!

Trish, my step-daughter eats a lot of avocados. She loves guacamole and makes it several times per week. She had to go for a physical for her insurance and the doctor told her she has high cholesterol, and needs to quit eating avocados! LOL Where did that doctor get is medical license???? It's mono fat! It is very heart healthy!

pattygirl63 08-19-2014 04:34 PM

dgramie I had hypoglycemia when I was in my 30s. My MIL worked in the hospital and in doctor's offices back then. In those days they didn't know that hypoglycemia was a precursor to diabetes. She used to tell me "Well, at least you know you will never have diabetes". You can imagine how shocked I was when I was diagnosed with it.

Zinke and Carol Sue My 1st 2 hubbies (both deceased) would eat just about anything. Then I married Tony and he is soooo picky. The only green food he eats is broccoli with butter and cheese and small green peas. He eats a whole package of cauliflower every night before he goes to bed. So at least he is eating some healthy veggies.

I couldn't sleep last night so I looked up some of the other people that the lady on the other diabetic site told me about. Turns out that Drs. Volek and Phinney are the co-authors with a Dr. Westman who wrote The New Atkins for A New You books. The 2 doctors have written another book called The Scientific and Art of Lowcarbing. They have written it showing the from research etc from different parts of the world that prove how and why the LCHF diets like Atkins work. I understand this book and another one they have written can be taken to your doctor or tell you how to prove to your doctor how and why it works.

I will probably get in trouble with the old Atkins people who don't like the new, but I think it is really great that they have learned through scientific testing and research how and why the Atkins way of eating works. To me it is a tribute to Dr. Atkins because he got so much criticism and ridicule for how he taught people eat fats to take the edge off of hunger in the face of a medical community was saying "No fat is bad for you. Eat more carbs". Now doctors, not just these doctors, are proving that Dr. Atkins was absolutely right to say eat less carbs and more fat. It is amazing to me that the fats that are pushed on us today as healthy are full of omega 6 which raises cholesterol, triglycerides etc, and the fats they tell us that are bad for us don't have the omega 6 and some even have omega 3. The reason some lowcarb doctors say we can go ahead and use Canola oil is that while it does have omega 6 that it also has omega 3 which they think balances things out to make it safe. It is a shame that Dr. Atkins didn't get to live to see the science behind what he promoted. JMHO

I've decided to read the Atkins book again and to be sure to take note of the how and why it works to better understand what I am doing and why and can explain it better to those who question me about it. I also looked up the Jenny Ruhl website. I thought I had one of her books, but can't find it. While looking through my books, I did find the book Wheat Belly by Dr. Davis that this lady also recommended for me to read. So I can read Ruhl online. That and the 2 books will keep me busy for a while.

I did start my meds again. Just decided that I didn't want to take a chance of losing ground. So I took 500mg of metformin with dinner last night. So far no problem. I used a very small amount of CO today and took my bp med today. So I will see how it goes just taking the one 500 mg Metformin each day.

I am pleased to say weight stayed the same this morning and my FBS was 111 and bp was 126/70 before I took my Lisinopril. So I think I'm really doing pretty good. I'm just not able to even eat 1200 calories these days. More like between 1000 - 1100. Since I need to learn to eat more fat, I just add a little more as it needs to be higher than the amount of protein that I eat. I did read in Atkins early this morning that this is not unusual as most lowcarbers do not really eat high calorie because they just don't get hungry because of the fat they are eating.

Oh reading about Metformin on Jenny Ruhl's site, I learned that tests have shown that diabetics who take Metformin have less chance of having cancer because it blocks the growth of cancer. It isn't 100% full protection but it does lower the risk. I found that encouraging. I think that is a bad side benefit of taking it.

Y'all have a great day.

Edit: I forgot to share. I forget to check bs 1 hr after eating, but yesterday and today 1 1/2 hr after eating lunch my bs was 116. Not bad.

Shannonsnail 08-19-2014 07:15 PM

I'm so behind in reading but Trish did I read you had problems after cutting a metformin in half? Isn't that med one that says "do not crush or break"? I thought I remembered mine saying that....maybe it releases something that causes issues? I was on metformin last year briefly and had major stomach pain, even with the extended release version.

Ok, so going back to the move....because they brought the wrong truck and had to make two trips I had 4 hours alone to pack more stuff that the movers then had to move for us. We got 40 feet of truck instead of 26 feet we would have had if they had done right. We came in under $1000 bc we only had to pay for the time moving not driving. It ended up saving us money in our own gas in the long run. I am still going back to the house to pack! There was so much stuff still in closets and the garage that I couldn't get to (had no help from hubby since he got injured). I spent several hours packing at the old house Monday and am going back tomorrow. Hubby has to take a test there on Friday so he will go pick up more stuff from our old storage unit. What a mess trying to finish vacating!! We can't put our house on the market til it's empty.

I am still unpacking in the new house too. I am really happy with it though. So much more room! We had workers start renovating one of our attic spaces today. It will be hubby's office. Carol Sue here is a link to zillow but you can only see the front of the house, the other pics have come down already but I will hopefully soon do a blog post with pics and I will share the link then.
http://www.zillow.com/homes/2621-wil...wilson,-nc_rb/

Wannabehealthy 08-19-2014 07:41 PM

Trish, why does Tony eat the cauliflower every night? Just curious. It's healthy!

I think you are doing fantastic. Keep up the good work. I have never had any bad side effects from Metformin. When I first started taking it I had some nausea and could only eat a small amount, but I thought that was from my heart surgery. Now that I know people get it from Metformin it was probably from that. It actually helped me, because I lost 25 lbs by the time the nausea went away. I wish it had stayed because it kept me from over-eating. I have heard about the heart benefits and also cancer fighting benefits of Metformin so I really don't care if I have to continue taking it. I do want to stop the glimiperide though because that burns out your beta cells and also causes weight gain. So far I haven't been gaining, but I don't take it every day. Just if I need it. Trish, did Tony ever gain weight from it? Maybe it doesn't do that to everyone.

I wouldn't worry what anyone else says about which Atkins you follow. You are doing what works for you and that's all that matters. I will listen to what others have to say but in the end I make my own decision. I have learned not to waiver from my low carb plan because no matter what else I try, low carb is better for me. Also, I don't care how my doctor feels about low carb. When he asked me how I improved my labs I just told him I changed my diet, but didn't elaborate. I don't think he would think there was anything wrong with it. I have been going to him for over 15 years and I think if I found a way to lose weight and get healthier he would be all for it. I don't do everything he tells me to do and he knows it. He just tells me that it's his job to advise me and I understand that.

I have not been eating any beans for the past several days. I want to see what happens to my blood sugar and my weight. I was reading a site where a woman said that it is not true that fiber lowers your blood sugar if it is soluble fiber, only if it's insoluble. She is just a regular person like us, so who knows if she is right or wrong. But I will quit eating the beans and see what happens.

I am finished eating for today and my BS is 98. That is very good for me.

dgramie 08-19-2014 07:43 PM

My daughter had to give up all sugar. She would eat a cookie from time to time but only as part of a meal. She had to balance protein and carbs as snacks. She had to eat every 3 hours. Didn't take much to keep her sugar up but it was really scary. We saw her glucose in the low 30s a few times. She is a math whiz and couldn't tell you what 2+2 was.
So starting tomorrow I will do random
Checks. I will also really watch what I eat. It scared me and I know I have had other spells where I felt the same way.
My reading at 5pm was 120. I hadn't eaten anything since lunch.

Wannabehealthy 08-19-2014 07:47 PM

Shannon, that is very nice! I'm so glad that it turned out so well for you. I'm sure you will be happy with it. It really is a hassle going back and forth between houses. At least when you get things settled in the new house it will make it easier. Just unpack the boxes you need right away. The rest can be done at your leisure. Hmmm leisure...what is that? LOL I hope Olivia settle in well.

Wannabehealthy 08-19-2014 07:53 PM

Dgramie, that is why I am happier when my BS is around 100. Since I started taking the glimiperide it puts me at a higher risk of having a low and it's scary. I don't want to have to start eating more food to keep from going low. The thing I fear the most is going low while sleeping. That happened to my son's father-in-law and luckily his wife woke up and recognized the symptoms. DH wouldn't have the first clue! That man is on insulin and something got screwed up. Either he injected too much or ate too little.

I think this is why they sometimes tell diabetics to eat every 3 hours or so, but how can you do that when they also tell you to lose some weight.

pattygirl63 08-19-2014 09:24 PM

Shannon My Metformin pill can be broken in half. It has the line in the middle so I put it in my pill cutter and break it in half. I think the timed-release is the one that cannot be broken. I was taking 1000 mg. I tried 2000 mg years ago on my own with docs approval, but I couldn't handle the diarrhea with that much so I dropped back down to the 1000. Although I followed the instructions of the pharmacist when I started taking Metformin even at 500 mg, and then when he upped it to 1000 mg, I experienced diarrhea for about a week or so, but my body adjusted to it. Since I've started eating more like Atkins with less carbs, my body was not able to take the 1000 mg. I have no problem taking it if I need it but the 1 dose of 500 mg seems to be working at this time.

BTW the house is beautiful and it looks like you have a nice big front yard. I am happy for you and know you will love it when you get things settled.

Carol Sue As far as I know Tony has eaten the cauliflower almost every night like that all of his life. He just loves it. I never worry about it because I know it is so very good for him.

I am reading the New Atkins for the New You and it has you do 2 weeks of Induction. Then move to phase 2 where you learn how many carbs you can eat and still lose weight. There are 4 phases a pre-maintenance where you spend time preparing yourself for maintenance which is phase 4. I haven't read far enough yet to learn when, but the Atkins does allow legumes sometime after Induction. I thought of you when I read that and I will let you know what they say about them when I get to that part. I am anxious to learn how they implement it as I think eating beef, pork and chicken are going to get boring. I read on some other lowcarb plan somewhere maybe even dietdoctor.com that they allow legumes where many lowcarb plans do not. It would be nice to be able to learn how work them into my plan effectively if my body can tolerate it.

BTW I have read so much lately that I'm not sure where I read it, but I saw where it was suggested to test after you add new a new food to see how it affects the blood sugar. If it spikes it then do as the MFP woman told me she does, you scratch it because your body doesn't tolerate it. If it doesn't spike it, then add it to your list of foods that you can eat. This way as I read by a doctor or some one, you make your own list of acceptable food that your body tolerates making your lowcarb diet yours personally. It goes back to always learning what works for our bodies individually.

dgramie 30 reading is awfully low. I don't know but I think that was dangerous. I'm sure it was very scary.:hug: I know I would have been scared.

I can't remember an hour after I eat to check bs, but I checked an hr and half after lunch and it was 116 and then I remembered to check 3 hrs out and it was 127. Not really bad, but does y'all higher reading come 3 hrs out. I really thought it would be higher earlier. I had just rode 2 miles 20 minutes on my stationary bike so do you think it was higher from the exercise or just that my higher reading after eating is 3 hrs out. I really don't understand about the reading.

Sorry another wordy post. I'll say Goodnight. See y'all tomorrow. :)

dgramie 08-20-2014 06:58 AM

My daughter had to learn how to eat to be healthy. She couldn't eat like other kids. She had issues until she got married on went on birth control. Her dr believes hormones can affect glucose. She knows she is at a high risk of being a diabetic.
My fbs was 95 today.
Still working on learning names. I love reading here and so thankful to be part of this thread.

pattygirl63 08-20-2014 10:55 AM

dgramie I am not good with names myself. When I see something I want to comment on, I have to back up to see what was said. My niece has PCOS and has been on birth control pills since puberty. Besides the fact that her working Mother (my sweet sister) fed her a lot of Happy Meals and she was a chunky baby. I know my sister thought she was loving her with the "special" meals because she was able to be home with her first 2 kids until her divorce. I think she felt guilty because she had to work when she married her second husband and had my beautiful niece and pampered her with the those meals. I kept her until she was old enough for preschool and she ate healthy with us because I was always dieting. Bless her heart she has now developed diabetes, but although she hasn't lost much weight, she has got her diabetes under control. She controls it by eating vegetarian. I'm just thankful she has learned to keep it under control at this young age. Glad you daughter has too.

My BS was 110 when I went to bed last night. FBS was 114 this morning. I took the 500 mg Metformin with an evening protien snack of sliced baked ham and a slice of cheese. YAY :carrot: no lactose intolerance. As long as this is working, I will only take the one dose in the evening. I don't mind taking the Metformin with the benefits it provides and my goal has been to get under 120 FBS. I have reached that. I also like the benefits that Lisinopril and my cholesterol medicine provides me. My doctor says they prevent me from having a stroke or heart attacks, so I can live with that. However, if I am blessed to be one of those whose health improves with LCHF the way it has for others then that is just a plus. Either way is fine with me as the goal right now is to be healthy.

Now that I've reached this goal, I have decided that Atkins recommends 20 grams net carbs and Dr. Bernstien recommends 30. So I am going to shoot for keeping my net carbs between 20 and 30 grams a day.

My system seems to be back to normal now and thank God I don't have to give up the cheese. I did learn from the lady on MFP that has kind of become a mentor to me on this said that if her hubby eats too much protein and fat that he has diarrhea. So that may have been what happened to me. I was eating high fat with drinking the coffee with the butter and CO. I think that was too much for me. Plus I was also eating beans during that time within the carbs I was eating and I think it was way too much for me.

So I try to keep the carb gram between 20 and 30. According to New Atkins, because I am just a little over 5'2" I should be eating between 68 - 142 grams of protien, I choose to keep it in the middle some where between 68 and 78 g. LCHF just means to keep the fat higher than the protein so I try to keep it in and around the mid 80s. Just enough to stay within the LCHF guidelines. I'm not really going to worry about the calories because MFP sets my calories at 1560 to lose approx a lb a week and I'm doing good most of the time if I even make 1200 calories. Most of the time it is mostly around 1000 to 1100. On days that my hunger diminishes, I'm having a hard time getting to 1000 calories. My exercise is becoming easier too. Been harder to do this week because DGS is in and out. But I wasn't supposed to start exercising according to Atkins until the 3rd week on this way of eating. But I have continued some and will increase it next week with a goal of reaching a minimum of 45 minutes 5 days a week.

I now have a plan that I know will not only work, but will eventually help me lose weight and be healthy and bring the diabetes into what some doctor I heard about calls "remission". I am thrilled and so grateful that I have found this way.

Busy day today. So y'all have a great day and I'll catch y'all tomorrow.

Wannabehealthy 08-20-2014 12:07 PM

Trish, does Tony eat the cauliflower cooked or raw? I don't really care for raw veggies unless I have something to dip them in. Hummus is my favorite for dipping. Back when I didn't eat dinner, I would sometimes eat just some cooked veggies...more of a snack than a meal.

I have the original Atkins book and also The New Atkins for a New You. I buy these books at Goodwill...$1 or $2. For a long time I couldn't do induction because I was eating all those vegetables and beans. In the past week I have changed my eating. I still think the veggies and beans are a necessary part of a healthy diet, but I decided to make a change in an effort to get my weight loss moving. I will not stay away from veggies and beans long term. I have read that sometimes if you follow the same plan for a long time your body stagnates and you quit losing. Hard to believe, but I haven't eaten my morning eggs for several days, and when I did eat them, they were plain...no additions. Last night after I was finished eating for the day, DH made an egg sandwich for himself and cooked too many eggs, so I ate the excess, which probably amounted to 1 scrambled egg...no bread. It tasted delicious, but I am still going to stay away from them a little longer. This does not mean that I consider them bad, just part of my effort to make changes. When I was thin, I ate a decent breakfast and lunch and no dinner, or very little dinner. Now, since DH wants me to eat with him, I am eating very little breakfast and lunch and a controlled, low carb dinner. I still believe that you should eat most of your calories during the day when you are more active, but I'm trying to fit into the life that I have. KWIM?

Trish, I don't think the beans contributed to your diarrhea. Fiber makes it easier to pass your stool, but does not cause diarrhea. It was more likely the Metformin and/or the bullet proof coffee. Some have said that it can cause diarrhea.

I can't say that I eat high fat, but I don't go out of my way to avoid it. Yesterday, I made pork and sauerkraut. For DH I used boneless loin pork chops with all visible fat trimmed. For me, I used pork country ribs and left the fat attached. I just think they have a much better taste than the loin chops. Most of the fat renders away and when I eat it, I do cut off any fatty pieces remaining. When I make my yogurt I use skim milk. Someone convinced me to use full fat milk last time and I did not like the yogurt as well, so I am back to the fat free next time. I don't add any flavoring or artificial sweetener to it so it does not contain the harmful things that are in the commercial fat free yogurt. It's just the taste and texture I prefer. I don't buy any low fat products. When I eat bacon or sausage I eat the full fat versions. I eat dark meat poultry rather than white meat. For the most part, I don't add any extra fat intentionally unless it's used for browning or sauteing. I only avoid fat when it's going to make the taste of the food too greasy for my tastes.

Trish, I get wordy the same as you! We probably scare some people away! Don't be scared. We don't bite! LOL

Dgramie, we are glad you are here, too. Just remember, don't take the things we say as gospel....we mostly are discussing what works for us, and everyone is different. This is not reliable medical information!

When I had my first bowel surgery the doctor removed one of my ovaries because it was stuck in all the infection I had throughout my abdominal cavity. At 65, I wasn't using it. LOL But I noticed some changes after that and I think it had to do with the fact that removal of that ovary changed my hormone levels somewhat. Hormones can be good, or bad.

Wannabehealthy 08-20-2014 04:08 PM

Trish, I was thinking about your comment about 1hr testing vs 2 hr or 3 hr. It differs for different people, and I think it has something to do with what you ate. I tend to spike at 3 hr. I just tested about 1 hr after my meal and I was at 103, but I know it will be higher later. I tend to spike 3 hrs out. Also, if I take glimiperide and I am still high 2 hrs out I am tempted to take another half pill, but later on it will drop quickly. I had grilled fish that I cooked on my stove top grill pan. I had some french style green beans leftover from last nights dinner and I just threw them on the grill pan with the fish to just heat them up. DH had 2 hamburgers with a huge serving of fried potatoes. I grabbed several pieces of potato, 5 or so. I'm curious to see just how high that spikes.

pattygirl63 08-20-2014 08:00 PM

I had a busy afternoon, but I just can't stay away from this place. So here I am.

Carol Sue Tony likes his cauliflower cooked with cheese and butter. We used to snack on raw cauliflower and broccoli florets, but I don't know why we got away from it. I made the mistake of making the chex snack party mix just with the stuff in it that he likes and leaving out the stuff he doesn't like and he is stuck on that now. I used to make it just with butter but now I cut the butter back a little and replaced what I took out with just a bit of CO hoping it would make it healthier. But noticed lately that he doesn't eat it as fast as he used to.

Thanks for sharing about the spike you have 3 hrs out. It isn't all that high any more and seems to come back down by the 4th hr so I think that is a good thing.

I really didn't think the beans caused my problem. I agree that it was the Metformin and the bullet proof coffee. Of course I was adding fiber and I thought maybe the combo of the high fiber and all the fat in the bullet proof coffee just might have been a problem as well. I don't shy away from the fat either especially since I've learned so much about how it works for us in keeping us satiated, but I don't use a lot of it like I did at first.

Today we went to DH favorite hamburger joint. Five Guys Hamburger and I decided to order a double cheeseburger all the way so I could have the veggies with it because I was going to take the stuff of the bun. I ordered the burger and I'm not sure what the man said, but I told him that I was not going to eat the bun and he said, "You want us to make you a bunless double cheeseburger in a bowl all the way?" I said, "You can do that?" He said yes and asked me "Do you do this because of an allergy or preference?" I told him it was my preference. I was so thrilled. Later we were sitting at our table eating and Tony read the bottom of the big sign that said "Hamburgers and Hot dogs also served in a bowl without a bun". Neither on of us had ever read that on the sign. Duh!!! :dizzy:

I got home and tracked it on MFP and my calories today will be below the 1500 and I may have counted all of it a little high because it didn't have any info about a double cheeseburger without bun and ketchup in a bowl only a small cheeseburger or a bacon cheeseburger. So I took the small and counted it as if I ate 2 of them just to be safe. I ate about 10 fries and their small order is ridiculously large and MFP has them counted it as 227 g and I didn't know how to figure that so just counted it as a 20% which was high because 10% counted it as all zeros and I know that isn't right. We never make a dent in those fries. So my carbs today are over 40% and fat is pretty high, but according LCHF that is not a bad thing just more than I usually would eat. The protein is in my normal range, but the sodium is a lot higher than MFP recommends, but according to Atkins that shouldn't be too bad either because lowcarbers need a little more to keep from having leg cramps and fatigue. I never eat enough salt. Just never was a big salt eater. I'll try to drink a lot of water between now and bed time.

We did a lot of shopping so we must have spent a good hour and a half walking and I really was sweating today. Does anyone else who does lowcarb sweat a lot? I mean sometimes I feel drenched. I had to come home and wash under my arms. Sorry more than you wanted to know. LOL
I hope that is a good thing. I've been doing that lately when I do any type of exercise.

Glad you gave the warning to other Carol Sue as we do share what we experience and works for us. I know that what works for others may not work for me. Like the bullet proof coffee turned out to be almost a nightmare for me. But now I know not to do it. However, I must say that when things are going as it should, I can put a small amount like a tsp of CO in my coffee. I just can't add butter to it. I just can't add a lot of fat to my way of eating.

I'm through now for tonight.:dizzy:

Good night!!!

moonkissed 08-21-2014 07:10 AM

I need a hug :(

This morning my FBS was 228.... It is safe to say that I have fallen off track BIG time.

I am still taking my meds so that is a plus. But I had stopped testing my BS. I started slowly eating bad and now I am just eating junk nonstop not even trying.

IDK why I do this. Its a continued pattern of me screwing up sigh. I am feeling really down about it and beating myself up even though I know that won't help. I just have to do better.

Wannabehealthy 08-21-2014 10:13 AM

Moonkissed! I will give you a big hug! :hug:I know the feeling. This LC can be really hard to stick with. I still get a 200+ every once in a while because of something that pops up in front of me and I eat it. I stopped testing for a long while and that's how I ended up with the high A1c. But we know that is not the answer. Not knowing your BS reading does not make it OK. We need to get right back on the horse and try again, and never stop trying. Every time you have a high reading you do more damage to your body that is not reversible. You might improve your BS, but once the damage is done to the organs, it's done. Try to keep that in mind when you want to eat something that is going to spike your blood sugar. Try to find low carb alternatives that you like. For one thing, I have grown to love a hamburger patty without the bread. I just make sure I have lots of lettuce, tomato and onion to eat with it. Some people like cheese on it, too, but cheese on meat is not my thing. If you want a sandwich, try wrapping it in a lettuce leaf, or find some low carb high fiber wraps. There are things like cauliflower mashed potatoes. Although they don't really taste like mashed potatoes, they are tasty. Your taste buds will adjust eventually. If you can't give up sweets, there are recipes online for low carb options. I prefer to just pass on the sweets. You can do this, and we will help you. Think about the damage...you don't want to lose your eyesight, or your feet, or cause damage to your kidneys and need dialysis. This is real. Diabetes sucks big time, but we unfortunately have it and have to deal with it. With dietary changes and exercise we can lower our readings, but we can never again eat the way we used to.

Keep coming back here, we will give you support.

Shannonsnail 08-21-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by moonkissed (Post 5058725)
I need a hug :(

This morning my FBS was 228.... It is safe to say that I have fallen off track BIG time.

I am still taking my meds so that is a plus. But I had stopped testing my BS. I started slowly eating bad and now I am just eating junk nonstop not even trying.

IDK why I do this. Its a continued pattern of me screwing up sigh. I am feeling really down about it and beating myself up even though I know that won't help. I just have to do better.

:hug: hugs! I can relate. I've been off plan for at least two weeks with moving. I have no idea when I will be able to get back on either. I have only tested a couple times in the last month. I feel down as well and also just feel like a big fraud since I'm still answering questions for the magazine article in the midst of this. It's ok. We will both get back to it. Baby steps. Let's plan one thing we will do today that is good for us. For me, I'm going to drink water. I've not had much water at all lately, way too much diet soda, I know I am dehydrated.

Wannabehealthy 08-21-2014 10:50 AM

Trish, for whatever reason, I have always felt warmer than everyone else in the room. When I feel cold, I know everyone else is freezing. I also perspire a lot, but most of it is on my head and face. I don't exercise at a high intensity, but by the time I'm finished I'm drenched. I have to wear sleeveless things to bed, even in the dead of winter, or I will be too hot to sleep. Many times I wake up in the middle of the night and turn my pillow over because it's wet from sweating. I never related it to LC eating, but it could be from that because I have leaned toward low carb since my 30s.

I looked up french fries on Fitday. Here is what I found for one french fry.

From Fresh, deep fried 3-4in length 21 cal 1 gm fat 2gm carb.

From Frozen, deep fried 3-4 in length 27 cal 1 gm fat 2 gm carb

There were a lot of other categories, but these are the two that I saw that seemed to apply if you want to consider how many french fries you ate.

Here's what I don't like about ordering a hamburger without the bun. They will always give it to you without the bun, but they never deduct anything off for the cost of the bun. We go to this place that has a giant fish sandwich and comes with a hoagie bun. It has 3 big pieces of fish. We always split it and request an extra bun and they charged us $1 for the extra bun. Now that I don't eat the bun, we no longer ask for an extra one. But if we said we wanted it without a bun they would not deduct anything. They are happy to do it, because every time they do it, it saves them money. I have never seen a place that reduces the price if you don't want the bun.

We have never gone to Five Guys. Jerry prefers a sit down restaurant where they serve your food to you. It is more expensive that way, but he doesn't care. He's not the one who has to figure out how to get all the bills paid. LOL I have heard that their burgers are very good.

Have you ever gone to Red Robin? We went once and DH didn't like it. They specialize in all those hamburgers with a big variety of things on them. DH ordered a hamburger with lettuce and tomato because they came to take our order before we even got a chance to look over the menu to see what they had. I got a grilled chicken salad. We could have gone out for steak dinner for what they charged us. LOL

pattygirl63 08-21-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moonkissed (Post 5058725)
I need a hug :(

This morning my FBS was 228.... It is safe to say that I have fallen off track BIG time.

I am still taking my meds so that is a plus. But I had stopped testing my BS. I started slowly eating bad and now I am just eating junk nonstop not even trying.

IDK why I do this. Its a continued pattern of me screwing up sigh. I am feeling really down about it and beating myself up even though I know that won't help. I just have to do better.

MoonKissed:hug::hug: Bless your heart, I know exactly how you feel as I have done that so many times over the years since I came out of yrs of remission. And I promise you that this thread has heard me ask many times "What in the world is wrong with me? Why do I keep doing this to myself?" And on and on and on.

I am so proud of you for coming here and telling how you feel, how you are dealing with it and asking for help. BIG COURAGE AND STEP!!! You may be struggling, but you are trying. You don't know how many times I started everyday OP to only fall off. I have learned that although I am doing good right now DOES NOT mean I've got this thing licked. It means that RIGHT NOW TODAY, I am working the plan. I have learned to take it ONE DAY AT A TIME!!!! EVEN ONE MOMENT AT A TIME!!! It helps that I give my permission to screw up without letting it screw me up. That means that I get up and start over not tomorrow, but at the next meal or the next snack. I am NOT saying it is easy to do, because sometimes it isn't and sometimes I have failed. However, I have created my own plan in which I allow for days that I might NOT BE SO PERFECT at this.

I have learned that while most of us are really good at many things, we often feel that we gave to be perfect at following our diet plan. Did you know that even thin people have off days when they eat off plan? Why have we allowed diet plans to make our life so miserable that we beat ourselves up and end up giving up on our plan because "we" had a bad day or moment and ate off plan. You are NOT a bad person. YOU ARE A NORMAL PERSON WHO JUST HAD AN OFF DAY. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW IT TO CAUSE YOU TO GIVE UP!!!

Treat yourself like you would a little child learning to walk. Pick yourself, dust yourself off and get back On YOUR Plan. I say "Your Plan" because I think you have to learn how to take a plan that works for you and tweak it into a Personal Plan of your own that you can live with. Maybe you are failing at your plan, but maybe the plan you are using is failing you.

I follow my plan 100% most of the time, but I do allow for times when it doesn't. The main reason I do this is because I am a Perfectionist personality that believes I MUST be perfect at what I'm doing. So I have to take a plan for me LCHF and tweak and make it fit me, my personality and my lifestyle. So I shoot more toward 85 to 90% OP and allow for those 10 to 15% times that I may be off plan... even rare occasions that I have no real power over when I might even be 20% off. This way My Plan does not allow for something to derail me. There is no such thing as Off Plan or Failure in my plan. I knew a lady who said "Life happens" there are going to be times we lose control because of stress or whatever, but we don't have to let it screw things up for us for good.

Thank you for allowing us to be able to encourage you. Just by coming here and sharing with us is your first step back OP. I call those moments you are going through Learning experiences. What was I thinking? How did I feel? Was I really hungry for it? Maybe I should give myself permission to have this particular food once in a while so I don't feel deprives. I would say make it be a learning thing that is a stepping stone rather than a stumbling block rather than beating you down so much that you feel the way you are feeling.

Hope this helps. :hug:

pattygirl63 08-21-2014 01:53 PM

Shannon I know you are doing the best you can considering your situation right now and I am just as confident that you will be back OP when things settle in your life. :hug: So you shouldn't feel like a fraud. You are such an inspiration and many will be helped by your LC experience.

Carol Sue No, 5 Guys didn't lower the price and I didn't mind the cost in money as I did the calorie expense. :dizzy: I don't think we have a Red Robin here in our small town. However, I Charlotte or some other town around us who have grown a little faster than us especially in NC may have one.

Thanks for the info from Fitday. Calorie difference in fresh and frozen fries is quite interesting. 5 Guys fries or fresh, but I make frozen at home when I make them for DH. I usually don't eat them at home any more.

I think we will be going to KFC today. Our KFC in York has lots of veggie choices. I will get 2 pc of dark meat and take the breading off, and my 2 sides will be greens and green beans no biscuit. I always tell them no biscuit, but they put it on there any way which is sad because DH and I don't eat them and they go in the garbage can. But I will be OP. An exercising will be walking stores. DH likes walking and I do good walking in the stores usually using a cart. However, I forgot to share that when we went to Costco this week, I had to go to the restroom. I was amazed as I walked to the restroom that I was not only walking with now awkwardness like I used to feel walking without a cane or the cart, but my breathing was nice and easy and I wasn't out of breath when I got in the stall. It is a long walk to the restrooms in that store and it used to wear me out. So what exercise I have been doing has really helped me to get back a lot of what I had lost.

I knew a pharmacist who quit working in a pharmacy to start his own Health Food store and learn how to help people Naturally because he didn't like what he saw the medicine doing to people he was selling them to. One day I was working in the office with him and he stopped working and turned to me and said "Pat, always remember that there is no health problem that you cannot reverse and get back, if you only new how too. Don't let anyone ever tell you or convince you otherwise." I've never forgotten that.

I am sure there might be some damage that we may wait to long to do anything about. However, I am walking proof from my own experience that he was right. When I married Tony, I had lost weight but I did not do it in a healthy way. By the time we married, I wore pull over blouses because I had damaged my body so that I could not button a shirt, I could not put my earring in my ears. When I wore shirts with button or wore earrings, Tony had to do them for me. I was not in great shape. Over the years of eating healthier since marrying him, I now can do everything for myself. I may be too optimistic, I just believe that if I work hard at doing healthy things that I will be able to get back even more. I know my doctor did tell me a few years ago that he didn't think the diabetes has damaged any of my organs. So the reason I work so hard to make myself do things I know are good for me is so that I can get back as much as I can. After reading these LC doctor's websites, I am even more convinced that I while I know I can never be cured of diabetes, I now know I can get into remission and I will work harder to do that. All this is just my experience besides what I have seen done in other peoples lives as they did the same thing.

I'm not saying you are wrong Carol Sue because I know how this disease damages bodies as I've seen that too. The diabetic doctor I know at church having his feet rebuilt which will take yrs. So you are right. I'm just saying that we are blessed to know these days how to eat, exercise and live so we don't have to go through those complications. I guess it just comes down to us making the decision of which path we want to take.

I read somewhere that our bodies will heal themselves IF we give it the right stuff to do it. Thank God we are learning new ways of how to do that everyday. Maybe someday people won't have to have any damage to reverse at all.

Love you guys.

Wannabehealthy 08-21-2014 02:34 PM

Trish, I understand what you are saying that you can get diabetes into remission...control your BS levels and get off meds, but I am sticking to my belief that once you have organ damage, that damage cannot be reversed, and your body cannot heal it. I'm talking about things like diabetic retinopathy which damages your sight, neuropathy which damages your nerves, and can cause gangrene in your feet, and kidney damage. I know that this usually happens over a longer period of time, but it happens to people who don't work to control their diabetes the way we do. As far as that pharmacist is concerned, I know that pharmaceuticals sometimes just mask the symptoms but don't cure the problem and can do more harm than good. I know that many health problems can be reversed by other means, but I also believe that there are some that once they occur, they cannot be reversed. Once the damage is done, it's done. There are ways to halt the progression, though, keep it from getting worse. A good example is when a heart attack causes heart damage. You can condition the rest of your heart to take up the slack for the damaged part if you are diligent and do what is needed, but the damaged part will never heal and go back to normal. And, if kidney damage could be cured by the body healing itself, people would not need kidney transplants. I am not trying to change your opinion, but this is mine. :)

pattygirl63 08-21-2014 04:38 PM

Carol Sue I don't disagree with some of what you say because I absolutely agree that when a person loses eye sight, and damage to kidneys etc that it can't be reversed. I actually don't know how much of some things we can get back, but I do think we should all work at making our bodies as strong as we possibly can.

I think we are really on the same page. :)

pattygirl63 08-21-2014 05:00 PM

I just logged my meal at KFC on MFP.

Calories 1276, Net Carbs 2, Fat 28, Protein 29. This is because I took the breading and skin off the chicken and had 2 thighs. I ordered the original because I don't like it, I prefer the Krispy and knew I might be tempted to cave. Dodged that one. I at 3/4 of the greens and 3/4 of the green beans. :carrot:Yay!!!

My end of the day food today will be

Calories 1076, Net Carbs 20, Fat 90 and Protein 72... Calories low but the ratio within my plan. I am truly enjoying this way of eating. :D

Ruthxxx 08-21-2014 05:25 PM

Well, you chicks know how good I am at "forgetting" to get bloodwork done. Well, I did this month and went to see my dear Dr Jack this afternoon. It was great! HA1C is 6.2 down from 7.2, BP is good, haemoglobin is back up to normal where it should be and he considers me "a perfectly controlled diabetic". So good to hear. Weight is 180 as of this morning - down 12 pounds from when he last checked me. "Whatever you are doing, keep right on doing it."

So you see, it can be done.

My apologies for not checking in here more frequently. As you probably know, I don't monitor my blood on a daily basis - in fact, I've not tested for a couple of months. Carefully watching my carbs and choosing "good" carbs seems to work for me. I'm doing a modified Atkins along with South Beach.

pattygirl63 08-21-2014 10:47 PM

Ruthie So glad to hear from you dear friend. I think of you and wondered how you were doing. So glad you went to see your doc and got such great results. CONGRATULATIONS!!! You are doing great!!! :carrot: Looks like modified Atkins with South Beach works for you. I've seen a lady on another lowcarb website that does a modified South Beach Lowcarb combo and she has been able to stay OP for years. I hope to join become one of those modified Atkins success myself.

Check back in whenever you can.

Wannabehealthy 08-22-2014 07:27 AM

Good to see you here, Ruth! And congratulations on the big drop in your A1c and also your weight! You are definitely doing something right. I agree with you that it is not necessary for a type 2 to test often when they are following a low carb diet like you are. You know what foods not to eat and are confident that your diet is keeping your BS in line. You are an inspiration to all of us!

Trish, the only reason I said anything is because I wouldn't want a newly diagnosed diabetic who might be lurking here to get the idea that they could do whatever they want and then if they get a problem they can reverse it. I think doctors should make a point of warning patients of the gravity of long term high blood sugar. I know from discussions we have had in the past that we are on the same page.

Remember when I quit eating the kale? Well, I ended up buying some again. I ate 1 serving last week and 2 servings this week. The past 2 days I slept good with no pain in my back or my hands. Some people on another board told me I am giving credit to kale when it could be something else I'm doing that is easing the pain, but I consider the past couple days to be proof. There's something about giving your body the vitamins it needs that makes a difference. I'm convinced. It might not work with any old pain...it might be that the certain pain I have is helped with the vitamins in kale. I am not going to go back to eating it every day like I was because of the excess of folic acid. I will buy small bunches and eat it once a week or so, and I mixed it with shredded cabbage instead of eating it by itself.

I haven't had KFC for more than 10 years because DH doesn't like it. When I did eat it, I ate the extra crispy. I also take the skin off all my chicken. Not because of the fat, but because I just don't like it, even if it's crispy.

I have once again lost the 3 lbs that have been jumping on and off my body. LOL This time I will concentrate of getting lower rather than gaining it back again. Water, water and more water!

pattygirl63 08-22-2014 10:31 AM

Carol Sue I'm glad you made the clarification because we never want to mislead anyone who comes to this thread. I really think we are one of the best diabetic groups I've seen on line and we don't want to mess it up. Thank you so much for having my back.:hug:

I don't know if it was something in the KFC or what, but my fbs was 123 this morning. UNACCEPTABLE And we are going out to eat today for my birthday. Not sure where. So I am thinking about adding back the other 1/2 of my Metformin. I know tomorrow will probably be higher too. Nothing was different with my other meals/snacks so it had to be there. I will try to be careful today, but I will wait and see how I do in the next few days. We have been out to eat 3x already this week and today will be 4. I will give myself a few days because tomorrow I will go back to doing all the meals at home.

I do notice that my system has settled down and doing better today. I actually woke up at 6:45 and decided there was no reason to get up. I got up sometime after 8. Life is going to settle down around here too and I will get back to my routine of eating and exercise next week. Just will have to see if the fbs comes back down when things get back to normal. If not I will definitely go back to 1000 mg of Metformin again. I just realized that I usually eat a small snack later in the evening to take the 500 mg Metformin, but I ate my dinner so late that I took it with dinner instead. I will try that again tonight before deciding to take the 1000 mg. Maybe I am one who needs to take it later with a snack. And my weight is still good. It has been about the same with only a bounce of .2 lb all week which seems to be my pattern of things. I may just have to do some more tweaking and really not eat out so much. By using MFP to track my food, it will help me to see where I need to make changes. Another thing I'm learning from others is that I should have tested with my meter 3 hrs after eating at KFC then I would have known if it was caused by eating there.

This is going to be a new part of this journey, but at least if I learn to do it right it will hopefully be a journey to success. I told my sister that my health is going to become my new hobby and it looks like it is. LOL

Carol Sue We are so alike in some things. I had not realized the connection of the greens and some things I feel until you said that. I haven't been eating my greens and I'm out of kale and I'm noticing it in how I feel. I noticed this morning after eating the greens yesterday that I am better. Strange things you remember, but in the old Weight Watcher's plan I was on 30 yrs ago, we were required to eat a helping of greens everyday. Think they had something right there. I do so much better with the greens. I still have some avocado I have to use before it ruins, but I think I am going to go back to putting greens in my eggs. A lot less expensive that's for sure. :D

Well, I have to get busy around here. My youngest son surprised me calling me on his way to work this morning and sang happy birthday to me. Was a "special" surprise and treat. Surprise because I don't hear from him too much. He is one who calls on birthday day, Thanksgiving and Christmas and Mother's day and it is usually sometime after 7 or 8 at night because he works such long hours. Since all my family lives in other states, who doesn't say something on Facebook will be calling me. Got a lot to get done before the phone starts ringing again.

Y'all have a good day.

Wannabehealthy 08-22-2014 11:07 AM

Well Happy Birthday Trish!!!


:bday2you:

Your are starting off the new year with a whole new you! That's wonderful.

I'm surprised that your BS went up with the KFC meal because you took off the skin and breading and only had veggies with it. I wonder if it's in the way they cook it. I don't think an occasional 123 can hurt with all your other readings being lower.

Our town isn't real big, but we have a PA Turkpike interchange 5 miles from our house so we have just about every restaurant and fast food restaurant you could imagine. No Cracker Barrel, but that is at the next exit several miles away. There are only certain ones we go to. It's mostly based on what DH likes, because I can find something to eat just about anywhere.

We are going to the casino today. I love their buffet, but I will eat too much. I will not eat any carbs, other than vegetables, but even too much protein can up your blood sugar. But it is planned and I am OK with it. Their pieces of meat are all small, but they have delicious roasted chicken, baked fish, poached salmon, and grilled steak, and I will sample some of each. They also have crab legs but the line for them is usually long. I won't eat any of them unless I notice that the line goes down. I had scrambled eggs and sausage for breakfast and won't eat again until dinner at the casino.

When I eat my kale I usually buy it fresh, but I have started buying frozen kale and collard greens for when I want to add a bit into my eggs. It just makes it easier.

Have a good birthday!

pattygirl63 08-22-2014 07:12 PM

Thanks Carol Sue for the B-day wish. :) It has been a super day.

We ended up going Tig-Friday to eat. We have to go almost to NC to go to one and I had heard Tony say he wanted to go there so I decided "It's my B-day so why not?" I love baby back ribs and their half back isn't so bad price wise. When I got home I found it was wwwaaaayyyy too many cals. And I didn't now to as them not to put the bbq sauce on the ribs. I'll know next time. I did get broccoli and the Lime slaw so that wasn't bad. Tony wanted to try their Jack Daniels sample plate. We shared the shrimp (I love fried shrimp) and he had half back ribs on it. We had a couple of pieces of the fried chicken pieces and brought back the rest of them for DGS to have as a snack. It was wwwaaayyy too carby as well as it was very sweet, but it was a planned off plan. My new lowcarb friend read that when you eat off like that to exercise after dinner so I'm going to try that. It is supposed to help a diabetic get their numbers down the next day.

As for KFC, she said she quit eating there because she had eaten there a few times and took the skin and breading off and still had a bump in bs readings after. She said there must be something else that they do to the chicken. So I will know if I eat there again (one of Tony's favorite places) that I'm going to have a bump. I thought they had baked/roasted chicken, but I have never seen it there.

Back OP tonight. Not going to have any dinner. Just a snack later to take my 500 mg Metformin. She also said that sometimes she will get a bump reading like that, but it stays low most of the time and she doesn't worry about the occasional bump. So getting right back OP should make it all okay.

Have a great weekend.

dgramie 08-22-2014 08:05 PM

Fbs have all been great this wk. I am doing better with my eating. I caught a cold / sore throat from my little ones. So glad to get antibotic and be feeling better. Hubby seems to have it now.
I push mowed the yard this evening and really worked up a sweat. Came in and temp was still 92 with heat index of 98. I plan to do more yard and garden work tomorrow evening.

Wannabehealthy 08-23-2014 11:09 AM

Dgramie, it sounds like you got some good exercise in. I have heard that mowing the lawn is one of the best forms of exercise that you can fit in just by doing what needs to be done around the house. Good job!

Trish, I saw grilled chicken on the KFC online menu but it did say Menu Items May Vary By Location.

We also don't go to TGI Fridays. We went there once. The next time we went the line was so long to wait that we went somewhere else. It is next door to a Tx Roadhouse and DH likes their steak better. I have had the ribs, but that was long ago before I had diabetes. They have great pulled pork. Once I asked if I could have it without the sauce and they said it's cooked in the sauce, but sometimes when they give it to me I get a serving that doesn't have a lot of visible sauce. I eat some at the restaurant and bring the rest home for the next days lunch. At home, I rinse it in a strainer to get the excess sauce off. It still has the taste of the sauce cooked in, but not all the sugary sauce. It's only an occasional thing so I don't worry much about it. DH doesn't like pulled pork or I would make it at home where I can control the sauce. I do the same thing with baked beans....rinse the sauce off. We do differ in our food choices, Trish. I don't like fried chicken or fried shrimp. Prefer grill on both! I think I grew up with my mother frying EVERYTHING and I got tired of it. After moving out on my own I became familiar with other types of cooking.

pattygirl63 08-23-2014 03:45 PM

My FBS was 134 this morning, but I don't consider that high considering what I ate yesterday. I believe a few days back on lowcarbing, I will get back under the 120. Weight only went up .4 lb from yesterday so I think I'm good. :)

We usually have pizza on Saturday, but I told DH that I wasn't going to get one because I wanted to get back OP. I went to Walmart and got some frozen catfish, called Pizza Hut and ordered a Personal Pan Pizza and went by and got it for him. I came home and pan fried 2 fillets and mixed the last of some frozen broccoli with a deluxe stir-fry veggies and nuked them mixed them all together in a bowl and had an OP lunch. For breakfast, I had eggs, bacon, cheese and chopped frozen baby kale.

I don't know if I'm going to eat dinner or not. I checked a diet my new lowcarb friend told about on a thread on MFP called Egg Fast Diet. I looked it up. From what I understand, those on keto diets use it to break a stall. They do 3 to 7 days of it. Also, I read that if you do it for 2 meals on a day you are going to eat a more carby starch meal that some how it will keep the carby meal from being so bad on the glucose. Don't know if that is true or not. If I had known about it yesterday, I would have tried it to see. You can google it. That is what I did. It was late and I didn't look to see if there are any variations as there were several references to it. I found it through this website http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/about which has some interesting info about how healthy eggs are and why. You might like to read it. I have a friend wants me to go out with her Wednesday for a late birthday celebration, so I just might try the 2 meals of eggs that day to see if it helps. She has a coupon for us to go to Charonda's. However, I do like taco salads so I can still stay close to plan eating one of those.

I did think about having eggs for dinner if I decide to eat, but a lot of times I'm not hungry so I may just wait and eat my late snack when I take my Metformin. I bought some more 0 carb sandwich meat and some cheese I thought I would cut up in smaller sizes and nuke them into lowcarb chips for snacks. I really want to get into this so that I can enjoy staying OP and not get side tracked by some food I liked before that won't fit lowcarb lifestyle.

Carol Sue I actually like shrimp fried or broiled. When we go to Sonny's BBQ I can get sliced or pulled pork without the sauce because they have bottles of sauces at the table. I didn't use it when DH and I went last week because I was afraid it would have some sugar in it. I don't know if I could have gotten the ribs without the sauce or not. When I cook them at home, I eat them without sauce on mine because I just like the flavor of the ribs with the seasonings on it.

I feel so encouraged and empowered with what I'm doing. While am going to follow this way of eating at least 90% of the time, I am also going to allow myself at least 10% leeway to enjoy the few times that I want to do something else. I really do not believe one meal from time to time is going to ruin things. JMHO After all, Carol Sue we have to have our beans from time to time. :dizzy:

Wannabehealthy 08-24-2014 11:55 AM

Good Morning. Just checking in this morning but I don't have much new to say. I was looking back through my tracking from past years, especially 2011 when my lab results were the best, and I noticed that I was not eating as low carb back then as I am now, but I was exercising regularly, so I have come to the conclusion that exercise was key. I know that, but seeing the results in black and white makes it clearer. Back then I was eating bread, and my carbs were between 100-200 daily. I am now eating fewer carbs, but struggling to get good results, and now I blame that on not keeping up with the exercise. It's sporatic at best. I have about 6 weeks until my next labs, so I am going to try to see if 6 weeks can make a difference.

Shannon, if you're around, you might find this interesting. I am reading a book I got from the library called Cholesterol Clarity. Basically, they are saying that statins don't do enough to make it worth the harm they can do. They lower total cholesterol and LDL some, but that's not the key element in heart health, but instead, HDL and Triglycerides, which are improved by low carb high fat diet. Statins have no effect on these. Also, it says that having cholesterol too low can also be harmful, and I am having one of the problems they discussed. Since the last time we talked about statins I have cut mine by half. Now I am considering cutting by half again, and eventually quitting them altogether. I read somewhere that if you quit cold turkey you could have a rebound effect, raising your cholesterol excessively. It's interesting, and it brings to mind the fact that DH refused statins from day one. I hate to tell him he was right.....LOL

Wannabehealthy 08-24-2014 02:36 PM

Although I don't agree with all of it, I knew the answers they wanted and got 100%.

http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/rm-qui...0yNm4PCC9sE%3d

pattygirl63 08-24-2014 04:10 PM

Carol Sue Interesting info about statins. Thanks for sharing.

I came home and cooked my eggs in CO and had maybe 1/2 Tbsp in my coffee and about an hour after brunch had to run too the potty. I don't think I can use CO. I seem to have no problem cooking in or with any other fats... bacon, EVOO, canola, or butter, but when I use CO, I get into trouble. So sad because I got about half of a huge jar of it. My system just does not like CO. :(

My weight is back down to 222 this week, but I would love to get back down to the 221 or 119 before I go see the doctor in September... 2 weeks from now.

I am not doing Atkins Induction now. I am just going to try to keep my carbs around 40 grams. I rinsed a can of pinto beans and put them in the crockpot with a serving (2 oz) kielbasa and water after heating it in the microwave. I plan to have half of it tonight with tomatoes and chopped onion and save the other half for later in the week. Can't remember the carbs for it, but my calories at the end of the day will be around 1400 calories, total net carbs 33. So I think that will be good.

Carol Sue There are just a few things that I want to keep in my food plan which may mean that I will be eating lowcarb, but not extremely low. However, I really don't want to even get near 100 g at least while losing weight. Since I've pretty much decided to eat whole fat foods instead of FF or LF, I don't really want to add fat to my food either. I know what they say about HF and I really believe so far that some of the foods that I like that are not FF/LF makes the fat intake at the end of the day higher than the grams of protein which seems to be the way I understand things should be on LCHF.

I cannot do the Egg Fast either or I choose not to. The one I read recommended a certain amount of butter/fat with each egg. Sorry can't remember if it was tsp or tblsp, but I don't want to eat even 1 tsp of fat to 1 egg ratio. So I don't think that is acceptable for me either with the results issues I seem to have with too much fat intake. I'm not ready to take a chance of that.

Shannon Hope the move is getting better.

Rennie Hope things are going well for you.

Donna, dgramie, and Everyone else :wave: Hi

Shannonsnail 08-24-2014 09:15 PM

Happy belated birthday Trish!!!

OMG, this move is killing me!! We all spent 7 hrs at the old house Sat filling up the truck and a UHaul trailer! Our new house is filled with boxes, you can't even get through the garage anymore. The good news is we are very close to being done at the old house. We have a painter repairing holes, touching up paint and repainting the worst areas and I've convinced hubby to pay to have someone else clean it. Hopefully we can get it on the market within the week. I am so ready to be in the new house full time....it is in crisis mode here...boxes everywhere!

pattygirl63 08-25-2014 09:36 AM

Shannon :hug: This will get better, but I know how you feel. It seems so far away. When we sold our house in FL, there were things we were going to give away. The lady who bought our house said for us to leave whatever we didn't want and she would either use it or give it away. Sure made that end easy for us. Tony had already done a lot of clean up as we went, touch up paint etc. We still have boxes we never opened. We just don't have room for all of it especially since his daughter and her family moved in. Then when they left DGS stayed here. I would love to have that room to put things in. Oh Well. Two more years before he graduates from college so that is just a dream for now.

Well, DH and I had a bad eating day. I did so well for a while, but then last night we were both starving. We decided we wanted popcorn. Well, totally ruined my diet yesterday. I know it was just a snack, but fbs was 147 and weight up 1.8 lbs. I was so mad at myself.

As I laid in bed beating myself up, I thought... "What would I say if it was one you ladies?" So I decided, that was yesterday. Today is a new day and all isn't lost if I get up and get back OP. I've decided to go back to moderate low carb the way I was eating before I got caught up on the LCHF stuff. I think I can do Moderate LC Moderate Fat, but it just screws up my system to do HF. It just doesn't work for me. In trying to do LCHF, I'm not eating balanced even for LC. Eating LCHF needs more sodium and that isn't me either. So I will do a what I will call a MLCMF way of eating.

Company coming in a few minutes so I'll be back later.

Wannabehealthy 08-25-2014 09:56 AM

Shannon, believe it or not, the worst is over. Just open the boxes you need right away, then open the others as they are needed. We went through that when we moved. At least you have a very big house now with room to have the boxes sitting around for a while. It was a good idea to hire someone to clean the old house. You have enough to do!

Trish, everyone tweaks to fit into their own lifestyle. It will work out fine. What will you tell the woman who was advising you? Maybe you can fit the LCHF in, but not every day.

I wanted to change something to shake things up, at least temporarily. I am considering 5:2. Four days of low carb, two days of 500 cals and 1 carb day. Also, I am going to try to fit this into IF with an 8 hour eating window. I realize that 5:2 is a form of IF. I don't know how many calories I'm going to go to on the 4 LC days. I will have to decide on that. But I have to allow a carb day for days when DH wants lasagne, or pasta. In the book I am reading Cholesterol Clarity, they said that the way to raise HDL and lower Triglicerides is to do LC and exercise daily, and also IF with a 16 hr fast. I did the 16 hr fast after dinner until this morning. It was a little tough because I'm used to some snacking in the evening but I made it, and I'm still not really hungry for breakfast yet. I am already down 1 more pound this morning and FBG was 114. That's great for me. I'm still not sure how I will do the 500 cal days, but I have some ideas I picked up from reading about JUDDD, which is 500 cals every other day. A little too strict for me. LOL I think between now and when I get labs done again in October I should be able to make a difference in my labs. If not, then I know I tried my best.

I also wanted to ask you about the Tumeric/Curcumin. Are you still taking it? What were you taking it for? I have to take back what I said about not taking supplements, because there was mention in the book about Curcumin helping with heart disease and also blood sugar, so I bought some and am going to give it a try.


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