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Wannabehealthy 05-13-2014 08:28 AM

Shannon, how did you make your zucchini? Details such as peeled or unpeeled, seeded or unseeded, did you leave the zucchini whole and just twist it in the Vegetti, the way the picture shows? Did it work the way you expected? How long did your strands turn out? Did they stay whole as you worked with them?

pattygirl63 05-13-2014 10:38 AM

Good Morning Chickies,

Well one day back on low carb and the ticker is correct again and my fbs was 113 this morning. Why of why do I play with this stuff. It is very clear what works. I am just going to have to face the facts and go with it. That is what I'm going to have to do is work on my attitude about all this.

I have my plan for today already posted on MFP. I think knowing I am tracking the food and the exercise on there makes me do what I need to do. I'm not good using things like this on my cell but I guess I need to download the apps for MFP so I can use it on my trip. Calories are a little under 1200 calsories, carbs are 60 g and fiber is 19 g. I've tried to remember how we ate when I lived with my aunt and I lost loads of weight never having problems with potty issues. We didn't cut out any foods, but we ate a lot of veggies especially greens. I notice in keeping track that fish, chicken and veggies especially greens keeps the calories low. Not adding fruit into my diet for a while.

Carol Sue and Shannon I have been looking for the Veggeti at my Walmart for quite some time. They seem to carry the more popular tv sale items that are good. I decided to look up the reviews on Amazon and I just had to order one. One 4 star review said the reason she gave it a four was because it was hard to clean the blades other than in dishwasher or power wash on faucet if you had that. However, one of the 5 star reviews said to use a tooth brush or bottle brush to clean the blades. Just thought I would mention that for future reference if needed here. I'm supposed to get mine Friday which is nice. I usually go to grocery store after beauty shop and can get some zucchini and yellow squash. Since I'm eating only meat and veggies at dinner, this will make a nice treat each day to use as a stir-fry that isn't frozen. Please share how well you like it and any new ideas you have. I think this is going to be a real plus for me. If I like it, it just may become a birthday present for my Daddy.

Catch y'all later. Hope we all have a great OP day.

Shannonsnail 05-13-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wannabehealthy (Post 5003091)
Shannon, how did you make your zucchini? Details such as peeled or unpeeled, seeded or unseeded, did you leave the zucchini whole and just twist it in the Vegetti, the way the picture shows? Did it work the way you expected? How long did your strands turn out? Did they stay whole as you worked with them?

Carol Sue I did not peel mine (but you can) and I left the seeds in and used the entire thing other than chopping the two ends off (left whole and twisted it like the picture). I read a blog saying the "core" did not make good zoodles but I didn't notice any difference from one strand to another when I ate it. When you are done you end up with a couple small pieces that are twisty looking, I just tossed those. The strands are very long, like two pieces of spaghetti together so when I was done I chopped mine up a little. I did have to use the little holder thing towards the end but that worked fine. I used the "thin" end so I can't say anything about the other side yet. I read a couple recipes but didn't want to attempt anything complicated on my first try so I just sauteed them in a little coconut oil, maybe 4 minutes. It brings out the color more when you heat them. Then I had read you need to salt them in a sieve or colander to get the liquid out....I did that but not really sure if it was necessary. They lose their warmth kind of quickly so right before dinner I threw them back in the pan for a minute with a splash of heavy cream. Hubby likes zucchini but he did not like the zoodles. I thought they were good. As far as cleaning Trish is right, the blades are very sharp and they have these tiny openings where the noodles form which get food particles stuck in them. I rinsed the Vegetti really well with my sink sprayer and used a toothpick to push a few pieces through. It was not a big deal, just be careful not to touch the blades. It is dishwasher safe but I was satisfied that it was clean and did not run it through.

Wannabehealthy 05-13-2014 01:56 PM

Trish, I also have accepted that low carb is the only way for me. Every time I stray from low carb I get poor blood sugar readings. I can do IF or IE, WW....but it has to be low carb at the same time.

I haven't tried my Vegetti yet. I don't have a dishwasher, so I hope I don't have problems cleaning it.

Shannon, we were typing at the same time! It's funny, but I don't like zucchini, but I think I will like it made into noodles. I don't like radishes, but my husband slices them tissue paper thin on a mandolin and I like them like that.

Shannonsnail 05-13-2014 02:14 PM

So, my daughter is mostly better at this point but I am still not feeling great. I'm not sure yet if I also have a sinus infection...just waiting it out right now. I've mostly lost my voice and am coughing alot, very tired/run down. Of course, life goes on so what did I do in the 90 degree sun today while Olivia was in preschool? Mow the yard and trim the other set of hedges, close to 2 hrs in the heat. Talk about feeling like crud! The grass was way too tall already and our yard waste pick up is tomorrow, otherwise I would have waited til another day. Next year I need to remember to do the hedges before the heat starts. I might even do them before the first mowing, it really wears me out. Next week is the last week of preschool so I'm trying to get as much done as I can....it is kind of stressing me out, lol!

As far as diet goes, I keep trying to get back on track but I'm having a hard time. Ever since I let myself have those first carb heavy meals a couple weekends ago when I was out of town it has been a struggle. Before I really had no cravings and it didn't even bother me to have junk around. Now, I am having to exercise more will power and I am often failing. But, I keep trying. The scale was up even more this morning. It is kind of depressing but I'm just trying to focus on stringing enough mostly on plan days together to turn things around and get moving in the right direction again. My birthday is next Tuesday and the week after we are on vacation so who knows....I'm not giving up....as much as my stomach keeps trying to tell me to, I'm doing my best to ignore it.

Shannonsnail 05-13-2014 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wannabehealthy (Post 5003304)
Trish, I also have accepted that low carb is the only way for me. Every time I stray from low carb I get poor blood sugar readings. I can do IF or IE, WW....but it has to be low carb at the same time.

I haven't tried my Vegetti yet. I don't have a dishwasher, so I hope I don't have problems cleaning it.

Shannon, we were typing at the same time! It's funny, but I don't like zucchini, but I think I will like it made into noodles. I don't like radishes, but my husband slices them tissue paper thin on a mandolin and I like them like that.

Speaking of radishes, I am experimenting with those today, I have them cooking in a beef stew, pretending to be potatoes. Curious to see if either The hubby or I like them.

Wannabehealthy 05-13-2014 03:23 PM

Shannon, I had to laugh at "pretending to be potatoes."

I had a hard time getting back on plan after my carby Easter. Before then, I rarely ate carbs, but once I ate them on Easter I couldn't quit eating them. It took almost 2 weeks and still I sneak some in. Today I made stuffed cabbage rolls, and I usually make Haluski (cabbage and noodles) with the leftover cabbage. I cooked too many noodles and didn't want to put them all in, so I put some salt on them and ate them as they were. Just checked my BS and it was 107, so apparently noodles don't affect me as much as bread. I had the same reaction with the lasagne. Also, we went shopping this morning so we went out for breakfast. I had a slice of wheat toast with my eggs and I didn't spike. I have no idea how I walked away from the rest of that toast. It's not like me, but I'm glad I did it.

I'm glad Olivia is doing better, but we have to take care of Mommy, too. My 5 year old grandson is graduating from preschool this month. He will continue to go there for daycare as his parents work, but he will be with the school age kids instead of the preschool age ones. He hated being the oldest one in the class.

sanssucre 05-13-2014 04:04 PM

Hi guys, I was reading this forum for a while but had to register today, because I feel I need support and can not deal with that stuff on my own any more. My family just can not listen to me anymore or they don't know what else they can do to help.

I have Type 1 since 1,5 years ago, debuted at 33 and after that my life got so messed up with food, diets and feeling deprived. I have good control, my numbers are great but I've developed ED, where I literally can binge eat my brain off on low carb meals. I need to stop this, because it's getting out of control... I can not go on like this my whole life... Feel so ashamed that I can not get it together, I hate every second of this stupid disease. And yes, therapy didn't help :)
I gained a lot of weight since DX, and itt is hard on me because I was thin my entire life and now everything falls apart. I haven't weight this much even when i was pregnant.

There is only food, thinking of food, planning stupid food, calculating carbs, calculating proteins that will turn into carbs .... I can't win this game I feel.

pattygirl63 05-13-2014 06:14 PM

sanssucre :welcome3: So glad you have decided to join us. I think we have all felt the way you do. I know I have and still do sometimes. A lot of your feelings are the process. I have had times when I was so angry because I even have to deal with this. I even told my doctor once that I felt like was in total rebellion to dieting because I was so angry about having to deal with it. I was thin for years as a child until I reached my 20s and it has been one diet after another since then. My sister and I were just talking today about how we thought we needed to go for counseling because we seem to think we don't deserve to be thin. So don't give up. It just takes a while to adjust to all the emotional feelings that goes with this disease.

pattygirl63 05-13-2014 06:34 PM

Carol Sue I still ended up eating some carbs, but stayed within my calories. I ended up riding the recumbent bike for 40 minutes instead of the 30 that I had planned. Really strange thing is that on MFP shows how much weight you should lose in 5 weeks with the number of calories and exercise I did today and it showed that by eating about 300 calories more (still less than 1400) that I should weigh less than it showed previously if I had eaten less than 1200 calories. Maybe there is something about eating a little more. Perhaps I am learning how many calories and how much carb my body will tolerate. It will be interesting to see how the numbers turn out tomorrow morning.

Shannon Certainly hope you will be okay after doing all that work while feeling sickly. At this point, I hope maybe you sweated the infection off. Is Olivia going to be going to any activities during the summer. I remember you saying something before, but sorry that I don't remember.

I know I am so concerned about our up coming trip and trying to stay OP. However, I thought about it today when talking to my sister that in the past, I usually ate pretty good while traveling. Not low carb, but I usually eat sensibly. We usually stop somewhere during mid-morning around 10ish for a fast food breakfast. In the past DH and I would get something like an egg mcmuffin or I would get a breakfast wrap and coffee. He would get hash browns, but I was usually good about refusing to get one. Then later in the afternoon around 3 or so, we would go somewhere so we could get a good more balanced meal. Depending on where we would have to eat, we would half a meal. So I'm trying to think in that way and maybe eat that way. I seem to have given up nighttime snacks so if I can stay away from snacking at the motel like we used to do, I should be able to at least hold my own and not gain any weight and just might have a slight loss. I'm trying to psyche myself for this so I don't mess up what I've done so far.

Funny thing is my sister said she told Daddy that she thought that I was upset because I haven't lost the weight I wanted to lose by the time they saw me again. However, that isn't my problem as much as the fact that I just don't want to gain weight while I'm gone. I'm so tired of starting over. I just want to be able to at least keep the 15 lbs off that I've lost so far.

Wannabehealthy 05-14-2014 10:16 AM

Sanssucre, Welcome to our Diabetes thread. Unfortunately, we are all type 2 here, and realize that the treatment for type 1 is different, but we have all had trouble with different types of eating disorders, or we wouldn't be here. We will try to help you the best we can. I'm assuming you are on insulin, and insulin causes weight gain, from what I've heard. I too sometimes eat too much because I think it's OK as long as I eat low carb.

Tell us more about yourself. Do you work? Have any outside interests, hobbies, etc? Maybe if you had something to take your mind off eating. Also, it helps to keep a food log, either on paper or online, like with MFP or Fitday. Also, a group like Weight Watchers might help. I tried it for a while and I was able to follow it while eating low carb, but it got too expensive for me and I was not able to stick to it on my own. I needed the meetings to succeed.

Stick around and feel free to jump in to our discussions. We're happy to have a new friend, as we've never had a type 1 here for a long, long time.

You also might want to look in Chicks In Control, which is a thread for people with eating disorders. You might find some others who have similar feelings to yours.
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/chicks-control-64/

Wannabehealthy 05-14-2014 10:23 AM

Something is wrong with our refrigerator. It is a french door refrigerator with the freezer drawer on the bottom. We hear a lot of creaking and cracking and ice in forming in the tray under the freezer drawer. We take it out, but it comes back in a few days. My husband says before we call a repair man we should shut it off and let it defrost completely because they could be a ice buildup in the drain for the autodefrost. So it looks like we have to try to eat all the frozen vegetables from the freezer in the next few days. I have a small freezer in the basement but it's pretty full right now. My daughter has a turkey in it and I'm trying to get her to take it home, but she says she doesn't have room for it either. Everything in the upstairs freezer is not going to fit in the one downstairs.

And now my computer is humming. I guess it's going to break, too!

And I'm fat. I think I'll go on a starvation diet until I get skinny.

Rant over! LOL

pattygirl63 05-14-2014 01:40 PM

Weight down .6 lbs. Thank goodness for a scale that weight within .2 of a lb. As often happens fbs sugar up from 113 yesterday to 120. Who can figure how all this really works. I surely cannot.

Carol Sue I felt the same way this morning. I just wanted to go on an extended fast until all this weight is gone and everything is back to normal, but of course, that is impossible. So I guess we just keep trucking along. :dizzy:

Hope defrosting your fridge helps and that your computer keeps working.

Everybody have a good one.

Shannonsnail 05-14-2014 08:16 PM

Wanted to share this blog/site I found....we all complain about ADA and RDs not recognizing low carb as best practice for BS control but this RD does, very interesting blog posts
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog.html

sanssucre 05-15-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pattygirl63 (Post 5003449)
sanssucre :welcome3: So glad you have decided to join us. I think we have all felt the way you do.

Thank you for your support! I hope I can turn this thing around!

sanssucre 05-15-2014 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wannabehealthy (Post 5003755)
Sanssucre, Welcome to our Diabetes thread. Unfortunately, we are all type 2 here, and realize that the treatment for type 1 is different, but we have all had trouble with different types of eating disorders, or we wouldn't be here. We will try to help you the best we can. I'm assuming you are on insulin, and insulin causes weight gain, from what I've heard. I too sometimes eat too much because I think it's OK as long as I eat low carb.

Tell us more about yourself. Do you work? Have any outside interests, hobbies, etc? Maybe if you had something to take your mind off eating. Also, it helps to keep a food log, either on paper or online, like with MFP or Fitday. Also, a group like Weight Watchers might help. I tried it for a while and I was able to follow it while eating low carb, but it got too expensive for me and I was not able to stick to it on my own. I needed the meetings to succeed.

Stick around and feel free to jump in to our discussions. We're happy to have a new friend, as we've never had a type 1 here for a long, long time.

You also might want to look in Chicks In Control, which is a thread for people with eating disorders. You might find some others who have similar feelings to yours.

Thank you very much! I have a 2 year old toddler so my hobbies are pretty much around her :) I am ready to hit the gym, any day now (have been postponing it for 1,5 years now, lol) but even working out is crazy with D. So I do pay for gym, but haven't been there yet :)
I work half time right now, so I usually keep myself busy from the cupboard where I stock different kind of nuts during the day.
But after dinner I get crazy, I try to follow the rules of low carbing, but I've been "healthy" eater all my life, and the idea of putting so much fat in me feels weird. I did try that for a while though but got stomach pains and had to stop. Can no longer eat eggs as well :)

More about my D: Yes, I am on insulin regimen, 2 basal injections and 3 or more for my meals.
If I do everything right, I have great and stable numbers, but binging low carb at night postpones everything and I get very high at night (my high is everything above 140, I panic if I see 153 on glucometer :) ).

Because my body is very adjusted to LC, I need to bolus for proteins as well and they behave very differently. I am very carb sensitive, if I cheat with a piece of cake which is above 20 gr of carbs (I usually aim for less than 10 a meal (only 3 meals a day, no snacking) ) with A LOT of insulin (like my day dosage at once) I retain water like crazy the next couple of days. And BG gets very jumpy. So cheating sets me back.
I tried using logs, special D apps but I found it very stressful. I found it became my full time job. Together with BG testing (I test like 8-10 times a day) it was just never ending story :(...

I am reading "Brain over binge" book right now (there is a discussion about it in the Chick in Control), I am hoping that 2 time is a charm and it will work for me. I don't like how my brain got in destruction mode right now, but it is really in the state as author puts it - I am dieting, my animal brain in survival mode and keeps re-assuring me that I do need to stock up, because this crazy lady keeps putting it into starvation mode all the time. The scary part in all this is that sometimes during my binges I think that I always have a last option - stop using insulin for a while (body gets into ketoacidos, you basically starve all your cells because they don't get the glucose, cause without insulin they do not function, hence loosing weight), the disorder called diabuimia. But it is a very dark road, I don't want to slide into this, but I do want my body back.

Injected insulin doesn't make you fat per se as long as you have good control and don't overeat, but if you get your numbers wrong (high above normal targets) and need to correct, it usually goes straight to fat :)

pattygirl63 05-15-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sanssucre (Post 5004349)
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I am reading "Brain over binge" book right now (there is a discussion about it in the Chick in Control), I am hoping that 2 time is a charm and it will work for me. I don't like how my brain got in destruction mode right now, but it is really in the state as author puts it - I am dieting, my animal brain in survival mode and keeps re-assuring me that I do need to stock up, because this crazy lady keeps putting it into starvation mode all the time. The scary part in all this is that sometimes during my binges I think that I always have a last option - stop using insulin for a while (body gets into ketoacidos, you basically starve all your cells because they don't get the glucose, cause without insulin they do not function, hence loosing weight), the disorder called diabuimia. But it is a very dark road, I don't want to slide into this, but I do want my body back.

Injected insulin doesn't make you fat per se as long as you have good control and don't overeat, but if you get your numbers wrong (high above normal targets) and need to correct, it usually goes straight to fat :)

sanssucre I read some of the comments of "Brain over binge" book too and many times I have felt just like your comment that I accentuated above. In fact, I count calories right now and it seems like I do better on the scales when I eat a little more food in a day than even as low as 1200 calories. Of course, what kind of calories determines how my fbs reads as well.

Thanks for explaining how insulin injects cause weight gain. I went to a diet doctor once who had me eating loads of carbs of bread and grains. I left his office 2 weeks later in tears because he accused me of not following his diet and cheating. I had followed it to the letter with absolutely no cheats. He chewed me out telling me that someday I would be a diabetic on insulin and unable to lose weight. Of course, we didn't know back then that some of us cannot handle all those grainy carbs because instead of correcting blood levels it causes it to go higher. If I had continued going to him, I would have been diabetic long before I was. At the time, I was hypoglycemic and the popular thought back then was according to my then MIL who worked for a diet doctor that "if you were hypoglycemic that you would never have to worry about being diabetic". Of course, now we know better.

pattygirl63 05-15-2014 01:52 PM

Well, I know there is a happy place where I can have carbs, but not too many and I sure haven't found that place yet. I tried using Atkins shakes yesterday and eat only one balanced meal. WRONG!!! I did so much exercise yesterday, I ended up doing 45 minutes on the recumbent bike, besides the other ones I do. So by 8 o'clock when I drank the last shake, it wasn't enough so grabbing something quick I ate a cheese sandwich even thought I knew not to eat bread that late at night especially when I knew I had to go to bed early. May take a break from the bike today and do it again Friday and Saturday. I can do the weights and resistence with the stretch belt.

I got up early to meet with neighbor at 8 am for coffee, so all numbers were at least an hour early than usual and cut my sleep by 1 hour as well. So while I know that was part of the problem, I wasn't happy with fbs being up to 140 g. Even bp was higher than usual (for m e). It is seldom high just higher than My normal. The one good thing was that my weight was the same. No loss, but no gain.

Have a good one everybody.

Wannabehealthy 05-15-2014 02:31 PM

Sanssucre, you seem to have a good handle on your diabetes and insulin regimen. There was a woman at work who was not at all overweight, but all of a sudden she lost a lot of weight and started to look anorexic. I was concerned about her, but she said "Oh, it's just my diabetes." She said when she started working there her doctor put her on long lasting insulin so she wouldn't have to inject at work and it wasn't working. At the time, I didn't know what she meant, and I'm not even sure that was the truth, because I have heard of people stopping their insulin to help with weight loss.

I got myself in trouble a while back, eating too many carbs, out of control, and my BS went over 200, even into the 300's and would not come down. Since I was only on Metformin I had nothing to bring it down. Finally I got an additional med from my doctor and that brought it down and now I'm trying to control it with diet and exercise instead of taking the med. I don't particularly like sweets, so I don't have a problem there, but bread is my public enemy number 1, and pasta is #2. One bite and I lose total control.

Trish, There is a place where I can eat carbs, but it has to be a very small amount....and I can't seem to stick to that small amount without eating more than I should. So I'm better off to just stay away from it altogether.

My refrigerator hasn't been making any noise all day so I'm wondering if it was doing that because I had the freezer too full. Yesterday I used up all the ground beef I had in there and a lot of the veggies for lunch and dinner. I will have to wait til tomorrow to check for ice under the freezer. It takes a couple days to build up after we clean it out. I don't really want to be spending money on repairs.

Trish, years ago I went to a doctor and told him I was having trouble losing weight and wanted to get checked. He said first we will see if you really have trouble losing weight, and he gave me a diet. I knew right away I was not going to lose weight when I saw all the food on the diet. I went back in a month, and on my scale it said I had lost 2 lbs. He took me into a different room and put me on a different scale from the first one and lo and behold, I was down 8 lbs. I wanted to tell him to take me in on the same scale he weighed me on the first time, but I was a shy young girl then and didn't want to make waves. He sent me on my way telling me I CAN lose weight if I stick to the diet. I never went back to him.

Shannonsnail 05-15-2014 05:25 PM

Sanssucre welcome! we are glad to have you join us here on our chat thread. I have heard of diabulimia before, particularly in young girls with type 1.

Girls, I need help. I am really struggling. I am wondering on your opinions since I know some of you have followed Atkins. As you know I was not counting anything, not following any specific plan, etc. and had just eliminated specific high carb foods. I was doing REALLY well for several weeks. I had NO cravings and was not even really interested if breads, candy, etc. were around. I was NOT hungry except for just a few times where I knew I had not eaten enough. Now, I am having cravings, unable to ignore breads, candies, etc. HUNGRY and of course eating junk and gaining. Do you think that I was in ketosis before and that is why I was not having any issues? I have been trying to figure out why I cannot snap out of this. Ever since that party where I ate all the sugary junk to see how it would affect my BS I have not been able to get back 100% on plan. Everyday at some point I just go crazy. Before that weekend I had the two meals back to back out of town that had alot of carbs but thinking back, after that I got back on plan for almost a week before that party. Ever since the party I cannot string more than one day to another where I stay on my plan. I feel like a demon left and now it's back. I have not been checking my BS because I know it is bad.

Wannabehealthy 05-15-2014 06:53 PM

Shannon, I recommend that you test your BS, even though you know it's bad. You have to know, and that might help snap you out of this. Easter did that to me, and it took me a long time to get back off those carbs. It's possible that you were in ketosis. I can't really give you advice because it happens to all of us at one time or another. You just have to make up your mind that you want to get back on plan. Hiding from your BS is not going to solve the problem. It has to come from within you. Try filling up on lots and lots of vegetables, and drinking lots of water. I'm rooting for you! You can do it!

sanssucre 05-15-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannonsnail (Post 5004637)
Sanssucre welcome! we are glad to have you join us here on our chat thread. I have heard of diabulimia before, particularly in young girls with type 1.

Thank you!

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Girls, I need help. I am really struggling. I am wondering on your opinions since I know some of you have followed Atkins. ...Ever since that party where I ate all the sugary junk to see how it would affect my BS I have not been able to get back 100% on plan.
So sorry to hear about your struggles.

I think i've read on atkins forums that it is easily happened if sliding to carboville even once. Our bodys somehow preprogrammed to easy fixes carbs provide. It is really hard to stop once you've started. I feel like my animal brain creeps up and takes over. The reasoning doesn't work,I always feel like even one piece of cake plays on my deprivation feelings and convinces me to continue, because numbers will still be out of order.

During my 1,5 years I've tried different strategies and many times even 1 slice of bread could make me go crazy and eat all sorts of stuff. Of course it would result in big numbers, but more problematic is all the water that retains in my legs. Carbs actually bind 7 times it's weight of water, so no wonder what happens :)

I really recommend this book, Brain over binge :) makes one understand the principles but points out why brain will always win if one will continue restricting some types of food. That's why I feel it is so challenging to follow her concepts with D, we "have to" restrict some food groups on a daily basis. Or I have to, because I can not guess my proper dosages if I eat high carb diet (above 50 gr a day).
High carb diet will result in jumpy BG for me, more lows=more eating.

Another good book is "emotional eating with diabetes" where author recommend to plan for occasional treats and include them into meal plans, otherwise it creates all those problems like we struggle with. So if you plan them, they won't be as exciting or rare. May be this will help. Of course this will set you back from ketosis, but then again you can turn to it quickly again.

I think Atkins people would recommend the induction. Hopefully it will go much faster this time, without flu symptoms. And yes, may be you were in ketosis, especially if you were eating moderate protein and lots of fat. The best way to know this is the ketosis strips, I am afraid.
Sometimes I feel that ketosis is such a tricky thing to achieve because body gets more and more efficient in breaking down the proteins and converting them to glucose. I've been there only once after my DX, I am one of those people who gets ketosis rush, so I kinda knew directly :) but I was thrown out from there very quickly :) Don't know if I ever be there again. I can not eat 60 gr of protein and 90 gr of fat a day. I feel nauseous and somehow disgusting and still hungry (some Type 1s never feel satiated because we luck amylin, hormone responsible for satiety signals to the brain. It dies together with beta cells, when immune system attacks and kills them)

sanssucre 05-15-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wannabehealthy (Post 5004543)
Sanssucre, you seem to have a good handle on your diabetes and insulin regimen. There was a woman at work who was not at all overweight, but all of a sudden she lost a lot of weight and started to look anorexic. I was concerned about her, but she said "Oh, it's just my diabetes." She said when she started working there her doctor put her on long lasting insulin so she wouldn't have to inject at work and it wasn't working. At the time, I didn't know what she meant, and I'm not even sure that was the truth, because I have heard of people stopping their insulin to help with weight loss.

When people tried to cheer me up after DX they said: at least people with type 1 are always slim:D. Now I know that if they're slim on high carb diet that means poor control, even if their A1c are "good" with too many lows it could show pretty OK numbers.
I have a collegue at work, and he eats as a "normal person" with lot's of insulin and claims that he has great control. He is really skinny and I usually can smell the aceton-like breath when he talks, so I don't really know how he does that :) if not in borderline ketoacidos all the time.
Because I have another friend who eats the same kind of food he does (we got D at the same time, met at the hospital) and she've gained a lot of weight during last year after her honeymoon (when beta cells continue produce some insulin after the help with injected insulin) was over.

oooh, the bread! I miss it most of all! My husband is a bread snob, he buys only artisan bread made with sourdough :) so I understand you!
I eat wasa crisps - 3,6 carbs per piece, they actually can bring that bread feeling. I tried making all sorts of almond meals and coconut breads but it is not even close and I gave up.

JLUS 05-15-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannonsnail (Post 5004637)

Girls, I need help. I am really struggling. I am wondering on your opinions since I know some of you have followed Atkins. As you know I was not counting anything, not following any specific plan, etc. and had just eliminated specific high carb foods. I was doing REALLY well for several weeks. I had NO cravings and was not even really interested if breads, candy, etc. were around. I was NOT hungry except for just a few times where I knew I had not eaten enough. Now, I am having cravings, unable to ignore breads, candies, etc. HUNGRY and of course eating junk and gaining. Do you think that I was in ketosis before and that is why I was not having any issues? I have been trying to figure out why I cannot snap out of this. Ever since that party where I ate all the sugary junk to see how it would affect my BS I have not been able to get back 100% on plan. Everyday at some point I just go crazy. Before that weekend I had the two meals back to back out of town that had alot of carbs but thinking back, after that I got back on plan for almost a week before that party. Ever since the party I cannot string more than one day to another where I stay on my plan. I feel like a demon left and now it's back. I have not been checking my BS because I know it is bad.

I know you have a little one so it might be hard, but it might help YOU to get a lot of those things out of the house... Or at least out of your sight for a couple weeks.

Lock them in a cupboard and give your husband the key. Have him get out the snacks/bread for Olivia the night before and put them in a cupboard out of your sight. Yes, you will have access to them during the day, but you aren't going to be as likely to eat her bread or snack that she needs! You just need time to break he cycle.

Also focus on you and she preparing some healthy meals/snacks together... Cut apples and celery and let her dip them in a little Greek Yogurt sweetened with stewed fruit or low sugar jam. Peel string cheese and see who can get the most little strands from one stick. Wrap some fat free meat around a thin cheese slice and cut into mini pinwheels... I am sure you can think of lots of ways to make your healthy eating work for her too. And continue it at dinner for hubby too. Prepare the foods everyone needs!

It is hard to get off track and back on without lots of help and determination. You CAN DO IT!

Shannonsnail 05-16-2014 09:52 AM

Thanks for all the encouragement and tips. I'm starting my day like I do most everyday with my omelette, hoping for a better day. Hubby bought me a "Seal A Meal" (vacuum sealer thing) and the bags are supposed to be boilable so hopefully our daily omelettes are no longer poisoning us, lol!

I went to the dr yesterday and got started on an antibiotic so maybe this sinus infection will leave me alone in the next couple days. Olivia finished hers yesterday.

Trish, you asked about activities for Olivia. Preschool ends next week and then we go on vacation for a week. I'm working on a summer schedule for us. Fridays are storytime at the library so we are heading there today. The first few weeks of June I will have to get creative but mid June the free or $1 kid movies start here so each week we'll have a movie day and a library day and at least one day we go to the pool. One week in June she is going to a half day cooking camp and in August a week of half day water camp. In July she has swim lessons on Tues and Thurs. I'm still filling in our schedule but hopefully soon I'll have it together. If we stay at home she just wants to watch TV. Here, it honestly gets so hot it's hard for me to take her anywhere outdoors. We have a fenced backyard but she wants me with her all the time and I just don't do heat well. It is already in the 80s most days and soon the humidity will be in full swing and it will be 90s alot. Even early in the morning it is awful. It's sad bc we wait all winter to get outside more and then overnight it is unbearable. The parks here have no shade. They don't put trees up to avoid possible injuries. We do have one free indoor park so we will go there some I'm sure.

Wannabehealthy 05-16-2014 10:08 AM

Shannon, I was wondering if you are still eating your eggs in the morning. I think they help me stay in control, at least most of the day. You will like the Seal-a-Meal. I have a Food Saver. It's good that your husband is in tune to your needs.

I forgot about the sinus infection. That would definately raise your blood sugar, and not by any fault of yours. Illness stresses the body and stress raises blood sugar. It could also be effecting your eating. Your body just needs different nutrients to fight the infection. Do the best you can, and after your infection is cleared up you should do much better.

I can't handle heat either, and we don't get as hot up here as you do. We do also have humidity and that's a real killer. I usually limit my outdoor time to evenings when it gets a little cooler.

Have a good day at the library. You have lots of activities lined up for summer. You're a good mom!

pattygirl63 05-16-2014 01:01 PM

This is a quick flyby as I have to leave in a few minutes to go get my perm. We are doing it at 3 pm because it is easier with less activity etc. Friday makes it easier for me to go instead of Saturdays because I have one Saturday a month when I have to re-arrange schedules for a ladies meeting at church.

My weight was back down to 222.4 this am. FBS was 136. I read there's no damage to body if we keep it under 120. I have got to get myself back to getting it back down.

I didn't want eggs etc today so I had oatmeal with frozen blueberries and Greek yogurt which I hate and can't wait until I use it all up. Not doing that fast enough. Then decided to add some protein by eating one nuked egg with a lowfat Turkey sausage pattie. I'm having chicken noodle soup as a quick meal running out today.

I got my Vegetti and going to store to get veggies to make with it tonight with some coconut oil for dinner. I hope this helps me get back on track.

I'm reading on the Chicks in Control thread and I honestly believe the more I read that I have an Eating Disorder. Will back on low carb tomorrow I hope. Just not interested today.

Catch y'all later when I get back home.

pattygirl63 05-16-2014 08:45 PM

Shannon Glad you got an antibiotic. When you get that under control your fbs should settle back down. Great activity plans for Olivia. My kids and grandkids always enjoyed the library. When they got old enough, my children were part of a summer reading activity at the library where they got a certificate at the end of the summer if they read a certain number of books. When I homeschooled my grandchildren, I always took them to the library for reading books.

The chicken noodle soup was way too salty so I drained and rinsed it with hot water and ate it. Didn't know how to count the calories so I used a low sodium count and counted it a little high hoping to cover it.

Went to the store after the perm and walked around thinking about getting something carby to eat and absolutely nothing looked good. I got a zucchini, a yellow squash and carrots and some smoked oysters. Came home and made the zucchini/yellow squash noodles and sauteed them in coconut oil with chopped onion and grated a small amount of carrot for color and seasoned with Mrs. Dash and added one can drained and rinsed smoked oysters. Put half of it away for tomorrow night and ate half tonight. Humm-humm so very good. This would be good with shrimp or chunks of chicken. I wanted to try the noodles tonight before I buy any more squash.

I tried using the Vegetti with the carrots and it didn't work for me so I used my grater.

I tracked everything and I ended up eating a tidbit over 1200 calories today. So although not really low carb, I am very happy with the day. Tomorrow I will see if my fbs is happy.

Carol Sue Thanks so much for sharing the Chicks in Control thread. I wrote my sister today and gave her info to get to it. I sure hope she will check it out.

Rennie, Ruth, Kris and others :wave: Hi

Good night.

Wannabehealthy 05-17-2014 08:48 AM

Trish, I think everyone who has a weight problem has some type of eating disorder. It only makes sense. Everyone has a trigger food. DH eats when he's hungry and NEVER finishes everything on his plate. It's like having a young child because I finish what he leaves half the time. I'm not going to throw away a good piece of fish or chicken. There's always at least a couple bites left of his hamburgers and a handful of fries. That is a normal eater. He thinks eating disorders are a bunch of bunk.

I first went to the library with my friends when I was in 5th grade, and the first book I checked out and read was The Secret Garden. I have been an avid reader ever since. I know that fiction is fantasy, but I love getting lost in a story and forgetting about my problems for a while.

Yesterday I started out with my eggs and veggies. The Civic Center down the street has a lunch and dinner every 3rd Friday of the month so DH and I split a hot sausage sandwich and I didn't eat the roll. But then we went to the casino and I had a fish sandwich and I DID eat the roll. So today my BS is at 162, in spite of the glimiperide. I intended to only eat a bite of the roll and then eat the rest of the fish with my fork, but that didn't happen. Next time I will have to order it on a plate without the roll so I'm not tempted. That bread just grabs hold of me and jumps into my mouth! I don't even want to look at the scale today.

I thought it was still April and argued with DH when he said the Memorial Day Weekend is coming up. Where is the time going? I only have 6 weeks until I get my A1c checked again. I better get myself straightened out!

pattygirl63 05-17-2014 09:22 AM

EYesterday, I ate only when hungry and ate what I wanted and no more. I had a terrible headache last night, but then realized that usually in the afternoon I drink a couple of big glasses of regular green tea and since I had spent the afternoon at beauty shop and grocery store that I didn't have any green tea until I got home. Strange how our body gets hooked on that stupid caffeine. I only drink a small amount, but evidently it is enough for me to react with a headache without it. Took one of DH caffeine pills and 1 Excedrine and it finally went a way. He gets terrible migranes sometimes so he keeps that stuff on hand.

Carol Sue I still don't understand how blood glucose works (even after all the technical/medical scientific jargon. I had all those carbs for breakfast and lunch and fbs was back down to 124 this morning. Biggie drumroll new low 221.4. 2teens here I come WAHOO!!! I've now lost 18 lbs. I just might get below 229s before my trip.

Any way I've decided to still watch the calories by tracking on MFP, but do it with IE not any diet rules. It seems that some of the Chicks in Control have learned that they have to do that.

I have a Ladies meeting at church this morning and have to be there because the secretary asked me to do the Minutes. I am nervous about it because in all my 70 yrs that is one job I've never done. But her daughter is getting married and this the appt day for last fitting. So I agreed try it and if I don't like it, I don't have to ever do it again. They eat there so wanting to stay OP, I ate a grilled cheese on double fiber bread sandwich and drinking a cup of coffee. Decided that at the brunch that I'll have my second cup of coffee either with a snack of fruit or just the coffee. Depends on what they have. After all, I have to come home and track it on MFP.

As for throwing food away, I know exactly how you feel. But years ago, I did the first book series of that woman (can't remember her name) that had the Christian weight loss. I think she is the one who taught people to always leave one bite on your plate. I did that for a while and got things under control until I married DH and we started sharing meals especially when we went out to eat. Of course that doesn't work at home and I finally got out of the habit. I have tried to do that now, but since I kind of eyeball and or actually measure the portion, my thought is usually "well, it is allowed" idea so I go ahead and eat it all. :?: The games we play in our head. You know I think my eating disorder has actually come from "dieting" mentality because I do have little games I've learned to play so I can do the diet and get by with what I can. Like a little kid with rules. May that is why Not dieting but eating Intuitively may be the way to go for me.

Got to run. Can't be late.

BBL

Shannonsnail 05-17-2014 10:57 AM

I finally remembered to check my fbs today and it was 104. The scale is finally, after an 11 day hiatus, back to my lowest weight since starting, 190.6. So, things are looking up even though I had a baked potato last night, lol. I'm still coughing alot but I think the antibiotic is starting to work. This is probably gross to share but I also started a three month treatment for a toenail fungus :o It can affect the liver negatively so I have to get labs drawn once a month for that. Oh and while I'm just spilling all my medical guts I'm happy to report my mammogram was fine, lol.

Trish that sounds like the weigh down diet. I've done that one too. Congrats on your new low! And as an aside, I developed binge eating disorder directly following a very successful 34 lb loss with WW. I did some research a few years after when I finally saw a dr and there is a high % of folks who develop EDs immediately following some form of dieting. There are actual scientific papers written on the subject so you are not imagining things.

Carol Sue I developed my love of reading around that same time. When I was single I probably read 3 books a week regularly. I have been on a long hiatus with reading since Olivia was born but now I check a book out for me everytime we go to the library and I have finally started reading regularly again :)

Wannabehealthy 05-17-2014 12:12 PM

Shannon, I knew you would find your way back! Your health is too important to you to just throw it all away! Very Good Job!

Today I added a new veggie to my diet. Leeks. I usually eat some onions every day for their health benefits, but I recently read that leeks. although similar, have different health benefits so I bought some. I cooked them in with the garlic, mushrooms, and spinach with my scrambled eggs I had for brunch. I forgot to put my black beans in it so I ate a handful of them afterwards!

Now I am on my way to Bed Bath and Beyond to get a set of those pans to make tortilla bowls. I am going to try making them with low carb tortillas and use them for eating salads, and taco fillings.

Yesterday we went to the casino. It is an hours drive each way. DH lasted from noon when we left the house until 7PM when we got home. So I would say he's improving! YAY! I can tell he's feeling better because he's getting back to his feisty self. LOL

Wannabehealthy 05-17-2014 03:06 PM

Bed Bath and Beyond was out of the tortilla bowl makers, and so was every store we stopped at on the way home. I could order them for pick up at WalMart, but I found this site online for making them with a muffin pan, so I am going to try this before I continue to look for the pans. This is a great idea if it works! LOL

http://www.emilybites.com/2011/02/mini-taco-bowls.html

Shannonsnail 05-17-2014 11:11 PM

Mmmm! Gotta share this low carb sweet dip for pork rinds...
3 oz cream cheese - microwave for 30 sec and then stir
Add 1 tsp cinnamon, splash of heavy whipping cream and sweetener packets (2 splenda were enough for me). Mix well. (If you don't have heavy whipping cream, I think half and half would work too)

kris2008 05-18-2014 08:37 AM

Love pork rinds! Try to save them for special occasions though, hard to limit.

Glad everyone seems to be doing okay! I had a record FBS this morning - 102! I saw that and then thought I bet my weight went up, and that went down too!

Happy Sunday!

Shannonsnail 05-18-2014 09:52 AM

Fbs was 119 today and scale same. Gotta get groceries today!

pattygirl63 05-18-2014 01:36 PM

Quick flyby for now. Weight up a little to 222.4 which is good since I seem to have been hungry all day, but my fbs was back down to 115. I had a carby day. I'm thinking the problem for me isn't the carbs as much as it is the fact that I need to eat less at each meal/snack... portion control. If this is true, eating on my trip will be easy.

Shannon It was weigh down, I just couldn't remember the name at the time (senior moment):dizzy: I also love the pork rinds, but they have too much salt on them so I can't eat them very often. The dip sounds great for them though. Might could use it some other way. Thanks for sharing.

Kris I have a tough time putting the pork rinds down too which doesn't help me with the sodium. Sure wish they would make them with less salt.

Carol Sue :wave:

Rennie & Ruth Where are you two? You are missed.

sanssucre 05-18-2014 02:23 PM

Hi guys, I've binged again today after dinner. And this is totally doesn't make sense. We had lovely day out with my family, everything was perfect, we had lunch and dinner. I had enough food and after dinner I've eaten every single piece of nuts we had in a cupboard. Why? I don't know the answer :( Now it will be all night jumping checking for BG injecting insulin ... And crappy numbers in the morning, I hate myself right now. I would purge if I could :( I can't....
Starting 21 new days tomorrow ...again...
Hugs to you all.

Wannabehealthy 05-18-2014 02:45 PM

Sanssucre, we have to get you straightened out. Don't purge. That's not the answer. Maybe you need to keep the tempting foods out of the house until you get some control. Don't try to plan too far in advance. Just do it for 1 day. Then worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. You can do this. It's hard, I know. Nuts are not the worst thing you could be binging on.

I bought a book at Goodwill about type 1 diabetes. It was only a dollar, and although it was mostly about insulin, it had some information about how the pancreas works and about different foods. I did learn some things, like I didn't know that caffeine raises blood sugar, and also, not everyone spikes at 2 hours PP. Sometimes it's 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. So you could test at 2 hours and think you're ok and an hour later you might spike. Never knew that.

Trish, you are doing good! I think you will be fine on your trip. My weight and BS are both up, but I'm not panicing. It happens. I'm learning that I go up and down and up and down and then get a good loss. Then the roller coaster starts all over again.

I started back eating my kale again today and for some reason, I think that will get me back on track. It gives me so many nutrients that my body is satisfied with less.

Rennie, are you hiding again?

Ruth?

And where did Mad go? And Bonnie? They have been away too long. Hope everything is ok.

pattygirl63 05-19-2014 03:15 PM

FBS was 130 and weight back up to 223.4, but I expected it sine I ate ham which is always loaded with sodium. Lots of liquids and potty trips already this morning so I expect that to correct itself pretty quick.

Spent morning trying to figure out why my cell phone was silent and I couldn't get it turned back on. My beautician did some stuff on it Friday and the ringtones were all messed up and I have no idea where she got the ones that were on there. I've got all that corrected and good to go.

Had a talk with DGS and he has figured out where he is staying while we are on out trip so that is worked out. Still don't know how long we will be gone as my daughter's 13 yr companion I guess you call him is in the hospital and we aren't sure how that is going to play out. I want to be home by the 25th of June, but DH says we better keep our return open till we know what happens to him, because my DD might need us. We had planned to go see them anyway on our way back home, but may have to stay a little longer. He has been on dialysis for about 3 or 4 yrs and his heart stopped while on the machine last Wednesday. He finally is responding by squeezing her hand and following her voice with his eyes and she said his eyes lit up when she said she was going to stay the night. Nurse told her he has a long road to recovery, but dr hasn't given her that encouragement yet. His son graduates from high school this month and he had told him he would live to see him graduate. Then he has been preparing her telling her his body is tired and that he is going to go soon. Of course she wants him to live, but doesn't want to get her hopes up because she knows he is tired of fighting. So we are just praying and leaving it with the Lord to do what is best for all concerned. So not sure what the next month or so holds for us.

Carol Sue I have decide to relax and take one day at a time and let the trip take care of itself when it gets here. Regardless of what happens, my plan is to stay as close to OP as I possibly can and hope for the best. Then when I get back home where I have more control, I will get back right OP.

Y'all have a good one.


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