My wife has been just as successful as I have been. Her hunger has plummeted. I have known and seen and heard too many people: hundreds or thousands that can NEVER get their hunger under control with any emotional eating advice, any will power, any amount of exercise (often makes it worse). Fail for decades, forever really.

But they go low carb high fat, moderate protein. It is like magic. I've lived it, my wife has lived it. We were both morbidly obese, we now feel awesome, and as a side effect look awesome. Our hunger is gone.

Is your health good? Do you take any medicines? Do you get colds? Do you have allergies? You don't have to answer of course. I don't get sick. Ever. Now. I don't have any allergies whereas I had chronic allergies before.

Believe what you want. There is a health and life revolution going on where people are reclaiming their birthright of vitality and being fully themselves. And it starts with healing with low carb high fat. As others have mentioned this is a thread I started.

I'd like it to go back to the benefits of low carb high fat. If you want to state other opinions, that is fine. Other opinions add a lot. But I want this to be primarily about the freedom, the profound life transformation of low carb high fat. And I am trying to walk my walk. I do not and will not post any longer, not even once in Chicks In Control. Even though I feel I can profoundly help them.

This is a celebration of low carb high fat. And let's let this thread return to that. I embrace different viewpoints but this is also for people who would like to celebrate along with me the freedom of nutrient dense eating.

I will point out one profound thing. You don't know. You'd have to go certainly wheat free, but for best results grain free, no processed foods, high fat, low carb for 30 days to KNOW. It will change your life. Until you do that you will have assumptions about hunger, especially your own, but you will not know. Trust me you will not know. I never would have known if I hadn't tried. No other way possible to know where your hunger is coming from.

It's like anything I can assume what it would be to be a coal miner. But I would never KNOW unless I did coal mining.

Try my 30 day challenge. Cut out grains, go 50 grams of carbs or under, no processed foods, plenty of health fats: organic coconut oil, avocados, wild caught tuna, salmon, grass fed beef, butter, cheese, tallow, lard, NO vegetable oils. Extra virgin U.S. origin first press olive oil only uncooked. Only cook with coconut oil, butter, lard, tallow. Do that for 30 days it will transform your life, your body, your understanding of hunger. I bet you, you will say I was right about everything.

I also want to point this out. Being humble when it comes to hunger is very important. I am not more powerful than insulin and blood sugar crashes and the addictiveness of modern wheat and processed foods.

I am not as powerful as my gut bacteria. I am not as powerful as leptin and ghrelin. I am not as powerful as my hormones or my metabolism.

But when I acknowledge the power of proper gut bacteria and hunger. When I acknowledge the profound foreignness of vegetable oils and processed foods for human beings. When I acknowledge that insulin's ROLE, reason for being in our bodies is fat storage, then I live hunger free. Then I heal myself. Then I thrive. If you or anyone thinks they are all mind and not body, that they can will themselves to not have hunger, they are doomed to hunger and quite likely poor health for the rest of their lives if they are eating processed foods and more carbs than their bodies can handle.

When I humbled myself to all the science coming out on high fat low carb, insulin, hormones, gut bacteria, getting healthy and shedding the weight was virtually effortless. Not just for me but my wife as well. Two for two in one household. Friends who have embraced it have had equal success. Basically everyone, 100% of people, who have given it an honest try have succeeded. Not just weight loss: HEALTH. Now my sample size right now is 7 people giving it an honest try. But 7 for 7 is pretty darn good.

When I went gluten free, I noticed that what I thought was 'hunger' did not exist. I ate what I fixed on my plate and was done. Never a touch of 'hunger.' Not only that, I no longer sleep all the time.

Also, when I was on weight watchers, I would comment on how I always felt myself losing weight, like I could feel the fat deposits disappearing. Yeah, that was no longer the case when I took wheat out. When I lost weight, I didn't feel like I'd been eaten from my insides.

Do I believe that not eating wheat is the answer to every diet? No... I honestly believe, without being tested, that I am either Celiac or gluten-intolerant. I won't know because I feel horrible if I even have a trace of wheat. I get this horrible rash on my neck. To me, it's not worth it.

More and more information is coming out that almost no one can tolerate modern weight. Google Alessio Fasano zonulin. He probably is due a Nobel prize for this work.

Modern wheat just has too many proteins almost no one can digest. And many think modern wheat has a protein modified so much that really stimulates appetite: Gliadin.

The thing is people are just sick. But gluten, from what I've read, is the biggest cause of autoimmunity and inflammation. And many, many mental disorders are related to wheat.

I listened to a podcast that broke me down into tears. The talker said he has had many letters from people who have read his book. Neanderthin by Ray Audette a very early 'Paleo' adapter.

Children severely autistic who never looked anyone in the eyes and banged their heads 11 hours a day. A month after going gluten free, they turn to their mom and look into her eyes and say Mom I love you.

I was bawling. Bawling. Giving up wheat for this family transformed their existence. Not every kid will have this dramatic impact. But anyone with an ADHD, autistic kid, really any behavioral problem the very first thing I would do is go gluten free, and hopefully processed food free. Additives and chemical wreak havoc on us. Not just physically but maybe especially mentally.

What is going to take for people to give up wheat? Everyone on the planet should try 30 days. You've got the rest of your life to live. Give it 30 days. At minimum you'd be cutting out antinutrients, high glycemic loading, and carbs.

But you might also improve mentally and physically and save yourself a lot of chronic diseases.

I actually googled Alessio Fasano awhile back because I think he does research at Johns Hopkins and thought it'd be interesting to hear what he said. One interesting thing is doesn't believe everyone should go gluten free. I couldn't find the thing I originally read from him but he talks about it in reference to his book here : http://allergicliving.com/2014/04/16...lessio-fasano/ Also, if you do suspect allergies, an elimination diet is one way to find if there are certain foods that affect you and there is a long list.

For various times in my life, I probably haven't had gluten for long stretches of times and didn't notice a difference. The reason was more due to calorie restriction than anything. One thing I enjoy about 3FC is everyone is able to find what works for them and come together as one community to support eachother.

Nelie,

He is a Harvard researcher. He is trying to answer it from the most rigorous scientific standpoint possible which is a good thing. So he can't say no one should ever eat gluten ever, ever (I do think this but I am not a public scientist getting public funding for studies, but I don't freak if I have some gluten by accident). Not because such a statement is necessarily wrong or will be shown to be wrong, but he doesn't feel comfortable from his research perspective to say it at this time. I am cool with that. I am also cognizant many in the world need a source of calories. Gluten would literally for me be if the only alternative was starvation.

I think many chronic diseases are because of gluten. All the research points to it being a potent inflammation and auto-immune disease agent. Number one agent in the diet for gut permeability which is a very big deal.

It may take you 10 years from now, maybe 20 years from now for something to show. Perhaps never anything maybe nothing serious, although it appears this is going to be a small minority of folk. Is it that important for you to have in your diet to risk it? That critical for your food enjoyment?

Two years ago I was, what gluten intolerance is made up. Too much has come out the past couple of years. Also I am VERY cognizant that I might seem to be OK, but I am not really. Much too much of a risk with the new info for me. And profound health benefits for us. All of us. My wife and I are transformed. My daughter, so much happier without gluten.

As always, we will have to agree to disagree, from the research I've read, there seems to be no reason to avoid it unless you have a specific issue with it. As someone who has a 'restrictive' diet (in terms of what I eat) and has had so for 8 years, I can understand someone finding a diet they enjoy and not viewing it as restrictive because I feel the same way about my diet. Beyond the choices I've made, I do look at other restrictions that pop up critically to see if there is any basis in it and personally from what I've seen of gluten, it isn't there. And I as this is a low carb forum, I don't poo poo a low carb diet because I know many people have found a happy medium for themselves in a low/moderate carb diet. I think that is great.

No, not ALL the research points to that. There is tons and tons of research that confirms the mediterranean diet as the healthiest diet on the planet. Good thing too because I grew up on it. Many of my family members are vegetarian. I don't have any family who has chronic diseases, or allergies, or alzheimers, or dementia. Nobody in my close family has died under the age of 85 in many years. A little cholesterol here and there or a little blood pressure but overall that's old age. Old age is old age, things break down at the end of your life. If they didn't, then you would be immortal. But that doesn't mean that I know the secret to life, I'm just lucky to be born in the right place and have a foundation of good health in my early life before my eating disorder blew up. What do I have to gain personally by trying to convince others of the benefits of the mediterranean diet versus their own diet? What value does my experience have that trumps someone else's diet? Nothing. Because people are not stupid, they can and will decide for themselves what will work for them.

A valid argument can be an argument made for whatever diet it is that you eat, you just can't make sweeping statements about ALL the research when what you really mean is all the research that suits you. Telling people that it's only a matter of time before they get sick is simply gross - are you immune from all illness just because you haven't sneezed in a while? Speak for yourself, as everyone else does on this subforum who is lovely and living their own truth. I eat pretty darn low carb myself although I'm not a low carber and don't label myself anything other than human, and unless someone's diet consists of diet cola, candy, donuts, burgers and milkshakes then I fail to see how you can criticize people who strive to lead a healthy lifestyle and making a real difference in their own lives. It's one thing to find comradery, and come here for support, but it's a completely different thing to try to scare and isolate and purify people with a mere opinion.

The point of the research now, to me, almost everyone has an issue with gluten. I've read a lot of articles, including original research on PubMed, watched a lot of YouTube videos. Hey if you think gluten is fine, knock yourself out. Your body, your future. You might not feel it, but the damage is being done is how I read the science and the research. Even if the new knowledge on gluten sensitivity, zonulin, gliadin, gut permeability, auto immune, etc. were all wrong. There is still the massive carb hit and very high glycemic loading of wheat. The anti-nutrients.

And oh yeah I think of my way of eating as restrictive. Vinnie Tortorich calls it NSNG, no sugar, no grain. Very cool with restriction. It is my LIFE that is not restrictive. Cutting out sugar, grains, most processed foods has freed my life beyond my wildest dreams. Free from sickness, health worries, tiredness, moodiness, hunger.

A free life, a vibrant, healthy life with wonderful and enjoyable food to eat is what I am after. Gluten plays no part of that, very illness promoting to me. And I eat carbs. I am even eating more potatoes. There is a lot of talk in the low carb community on 'safe starches': wild rice, quinoa, potatoes, etc.. Sure people still need to be mindful of carbs, especially if in weight loss mode, weight maintenance to some extent, or insulin resistant.

But gluten is an entirely different animal. I think it is becoming clear to many gluten impacts virtually every human being to some lesser or greater degree negatively. But, up to you, to keep eating it or not.

And you don't have to answer but are you in great health? No medicines, no aches, no pains, no allergies, don't get sick? Like never sick. I am going on 18 months now without even a single cold for a day. I've become that way since going low carb high fat grain free. And I was NEVER, I mean never that way before. So that way of being is possible. And if you aren't in it, I would look first to gluten and your food in general.

Can you ever know gluten is not impacting you negatively? Huge risk with all the new info out. Huge. here was this FOODMAP study saying gluten sensitivity wasn't real that has been pretty much destroyed in how flawed it was. Remember there is a trillion dollar industry out there saying gluten is OK. Just like there was a lot of 'science' and doctors saying not only that cigarettes weren't bad but they were healthy. Sugar has been promoted as health food by scientists from time to time.

Wheat is not the wheat of even 50 years ago. We are now being exposed to GMO crops and more antibiotics ever. And not even if you get sick, but in the food supply. So this 'new' wheat plus GMOs. People are now thinking it is a one-two punch. And creating a lot of gut permeability in people that maybe 50 years ago would have had none.

Not all 'science' is science. I'd say anyone tread very carefully on continuing with gluten. While it is true that not 'all' studies show one thing. How could they? Lots of them are sponsored by big agricultural chemical companies and grain producers. Eat as much wheat as you want. If you're in perfect health at or near your ideal weight then maybe you are one of the fortunate few that can handle modern wheat.

Precisely because I am human I don't eat it. All my food decisions are based on evolutionary biology and being human. Everything. That is why I don't eat processed food and try to not eat any added sugar. Did humans eat those things before recently? No. Did any human eat modern wheat until recently? No. It didn't even exist until the last 50 years. I am giving my body what humans only eat for millions of years? Are you? Not if you are eating processed foods and wheat.

So if the being human part is important to you, I'd say eat like humans have eaten for millions of years. If you want grains, and I'd suggest people are better off without them, then you'd be best served to eat grains that are not new things that never existed in nature.

I am urging people to check the research out. I am guessing many had never heard of zonulin before my post. If I help one person go gluten free and it changes their life and their families life it is well worth it.

I especially urge anyone with a child or themselves with ADHD, austism, depression to give gluten free a chance for at least a month. It may be the best thing they ever did.

BTW Dr. Perlmutter now says one in two people who reach 80s will have dementia. Flip a coin. I hope everyone here reaches 80. But that is pretty frightening. What does he think the single biggest cause is of dementia? Grain consumption. His book Grain Brian has hundreds of references from the best peer reviewed journals. Maybe it is the two of you not keeping an open mind.

And if you are not in perfect health, then yes you should look at your diet first. I've knocked my inflammation down beyond my wildest hopes. No allergies anymore no allergy medicine and I used to take it daily. Inflammation is a precursor for a lot of chronic diseases.

I'm trying to help people achieve health beyond what they thought was possible. And I think a great first step is to give up gluten. You may do as you like.

And people should be not scared but concern, very concerned. Our collective situation now is scary. From the early 70s a diabetes type 2 rate of a couple of percent to 11% now with at least 30% of the population pre-diabetic. Diabetes now costs the economy way more than cigarette related health costs. By 2050 the estimate is 1 out of 2 people with diabetes. But by the 2020s our health care might collapse because of all the costs of chronic diseases. So information is power. No one should make a change on what I say here or anyone else says here. But the should research for themselves.

Food as cause of disease has hit me very personally. My grandmother lost her life to diabetes. I remember her losing her legs. My uncle has dementia which many experts call type 3 diabetes. It isn't articles or YouTube videos or academics or experts discussing. Food as the most important thing I can do for my health is absolutely the most real thing in this world to me. I was in horrible health with the Standard American Diet and now in robust health with NSNG, ancestral eating, high nutrient density eating, LCHF, pro-gut health Primal, whatever you want to call it.

So people should be concerned, about themselves and society. BTW it isn't about any particular health care system, national health systems like Britain and Australia are expected to crash as well if things don't change in a hurry. But people should also be hopeful. My wife and I turned our health completely around and anyone else can to. Perhaps someone chooses not to go grain free or even being a vegetarian. Just eating real food and no processed food will make a tremendous improvement in anyone's life. Getting adequate sun and sleep and moving a lot will also.

Bad health is no one's destiny. Treat food as one of the most important things (I feel personally by far THE most important thing) you can do for your well-being and sure enjoyment as well and you will be well on your way to the best health and best living of your life.

Larry that was a lot of words. Lets try to keep this simple so I can make sure I understand you.

Are you saying gluten and wheat are responsible for the current obesity crisis in our country?

Can you link me to a human study on the protein zonulin? All I can seem to find are rodent studies.

Can you explain to me how the Okinawans have such a long life span and low incidence of disease and yet whole grains make up a substantial part of their diet?

Why would someone even say something like this. Now I'm not human? And I don't even care about being human? And I've already answered your question about how sick I am NOT, you're just too busy reading and reading your own words.

Not for one second do I believe that you're out to help people. Because people who help people have a skill set that you do not have: they are empathetic, they attempt to help someone based on their needs, not the helper's needs, they try to find points in which to see eye to eye and they don't look down on people who may be different. You wish to gain followers and be an inspiration to others, that says more about your needs than the needs of others.

Anyway, I can't continue this conversation anymore - I have walls to speak to that are more responsive to common sense. I have no dispute or criticism for the LC community, I know for a fact that everyone is doing the best they can here to live a vibrant healthy life, as well as across the whole forum. It's just difficult for me to stand by and watch scaremongers and witness cult-like mentality.

Yes Wannabe I said you weren't human. Of course I didn't say that or, I hope, imply it. But modern U.S. wheat is a very different beast, a dwarf variety, that didn't exist until the Green Revolution. Doubt many of those Japanese eat the dwarf, modern wheat. They eat rice, white rice, not that much and I don't think that is why they live long personally. I think it is the fish, seaweed, vegetables, and community. Yes I am part of a 'cult' eating whole food, and no grains, and sugar. Just because you haven't tried going grain free doesn't make it a cult for those that have.

I want people to have some collective urgency. Chronic diseases are a big deal rapidly becoming unsustainable. But most of all I want people to have hope. Some people can do OK on grains but many are obese here on 3FC. That is a huge red flag they likely have insulin resistance at some level, and probably are exceeding a healthy carb level for them.

JohnP here is a link with many more links in the article. Good overview of leaky gut: marksdailyapple dot com/leaky-gut/#axzz3HTuNuhd6
primaldocs dot com/opinion/zonulin-leaky-gut/

Second link also references studies with in it.

Can't post links yet, so you'll have to convert them.

Wheat is a big part of it, yes. Wheat, vegetable oils, processed foods, added sugar, and demonization of animal fat/ natural fats are the root causes.

Before 1950 almost every medical textbook and hospital and the general public saw too many carbs, starches, sweets as causes of obesity. Royalty was the first group of folk in Europe to get obese because for some time they were the only ones with access to sugar.

Gary Taubes and Nina Ticeholz do a nice job of explaining things, Why We Get Fat and Big Fat Surprise respectively.

is this diamondgeog?

There is no reason to guess about the Okinawan diet. You can't be bothered to do a simple google search?

Once again if carbs and grains are a problem how is it possible for Okinawans to live so long disease free?

In many previous posts you have demonized carbs in general. Are you now taking a slightly more rational stance that it's modern wheat and sugar that are the problem?

I couldn't get your link to work. Just link me to a human study on the topic, please.

Have you bothered to read a single article on the carb-sane blog or would you rather just continue to put your fingers in your ears while chanting the low carb zealotry dogma over and over?