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2frustrated
01-05-2006, 05:35 AM
I have been eating like a :censored: :angel: for AGES, since July (except about 3 days over Christmas) and I've been eating like the BEST :angel: since Saturday.

I've been doing couch to 5K every other day for 6 weeks. I've been lifting weights (apart from a week off over Christmas) and I'm generally fit and active. Next week I'll be back to kickboxing 4 lessons a week.

I eat 1500kcals a day and drink loads of water, but these past 3 or 4 days I've cut down to 1350-1450 because I want just one more lb off before the Friday's weigh in! :crazy:

I've been doing this for 6 months and for the past 3 months I've not seen ANY progress. AT ALL! The scales have stuck. SOLID. My BF% is the same and I'm at my wit's end!

I was all fired up to go at it hammer and tong and be all MEGA healthy, but since nothing's happening then I might as well cut back on some exercise and eat some more food! :dunno:

I need help DOWN from my plateau! Any ideas? :?:


icmethinner
01-05-2006, 07:43 AM
I'm not in a position to offer much advice - but I can tell you that recently upping my protein seemed to get my weight loss going again. I read that upping protein could help with weight loss (not low carb diet, just upped the protein and lowered some carbs).

I'm sure there are lots of successful losers here that will have much more advice for you though!

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

2frustrated
01-05-2006, 07:53 AM
He he! If I ate more protein I'd cluck! :chicken: Seriously, I eat about 100g protein every day! It keeps me nice and full too!


icmethinner
01-05-2006, 07:56 AM
Well, I'll be watching to see what other response you get!! I'd like to know what to do when I get to my next plateau!!

:p

alberta
01-05-2006, 08:06 AM
Aside from making sure you are being completely honest and scrupulous about your calorie intake, I would suggest you take a look on the maintainers forum for an article written by Meg about the metabolism of the reduced obese. I am 5'6" my weight hovers between 9 stone 7 and 10 stone. I am in the gym 6 days a week and run about 50 k per week. I don't drive, I cycle or walk everywhere I go. To lose weight I need to eat around1200 calories per day. A bit above that and I am maintaining, around 1800-2000 I start gaining. It is not the same for everybody but it is reality for a lot of us formerly obese people.

2frustrated
01-05-2006, 08:18 AM
Yeah I've read that article. I used to eat 1200kcals a day and hovered around 12 stone 2, then faffed around for a little bit and settled at 1500 and dropped more to 11:13, maybe I need to drop more calories. :dunno: I just pity my DF who has to live with my low blood sugar moods! :lol:

I'm also doing more exercise than I ever did and at 23 I don't know if my metabolism will be that greatly reduced that I'll be maintaining at 1500. I hope not anyway!

Heather
01-05-2006, 09:56 AM
That's frustrating!

Have you measured yourself -- if you're aren't losing pounds are you at least losing inches? Fitting in clothes differently?

Don't give up! At least you're healthy and active and able to do tons of things you probably couldn't before!

lucky
01-05-2006, 12:19 PM
Ohhh, I know how frustrating it can be! Been there, done that. When it is all said and done, these last pounds are the hardest. Period.

To cope, I remind myself that the only sure way NOT to reach my goal is to give up all together.

Still, I understand your attitude of "might as well cut back on some exercise and eat some more food." And, honestly, I think you might be on to something. Recently, I increased my calorie level to just below what I expect it to be once I reach my goal weight. I have kept my exercise level the same although I am switching up my routine. Low and behold, the scale has started to inch downward. At a snail's pace, mind you, but downward all the same. I've accepted that the weeks of losing even 1 full pound will be few and far between from here on out - if it happens at all. That's okay with me as long as I get to where I want to be.

2frustrated
01-05-2006, 12:26 PM
I think I'm maybe getting a handle on the bad mood now! :lol:

I'm going to weigh once more tomorrow (official weigh in day) and then put the scales away for a month. I might just see how hungry I feel after a week of lower cals then I might move it up slightly... I will be notching up the exercise anyway since I'm now teaching a kickboxing class on top of all the running and weights and current kickboxing. I think I might survive!

I've heard people say that they look at maintaining then they drop weight unexpectedly, I'm half thinking maybe having a look at just maintaining now while I notch up the exercise, but you know, I HAVE been maintaining! :lol:

I just keep thinking that there's maybe somthing simple that I've missed. I can't think of it though! Perhaps I just need to concentrate on something different, other than the scales!

DaisyBug08004
01-05-2006, 03:29 PM
I would like to offer for your consideration the idea of eating smaller meals more frequently - DOing this will prevent your blood sugar from plummeting. This can also help your metabolism.

Worth a try, no?

Megan1982
01-05-2006, 03:38 PM
2frustrated, could you be eating a diet that's too low in fat? What is your overall % of fat intake a day? I once spent about 3 months losing 3 pounds, but when I started to look at how much fat I was eating I realized it was way too little (>20 g/day). I upped it to 30 and started losing again.

Also have you changed up your workout routine lately? Do you do the same kickboxing and weight routine every week? Maybe add a elliptical or step class or whatever one or two days instead of kickboxing, something different like that. I've read if you body gets too "used to" a routine it will do the routine a lot more efficiently and thus burn fewer calories.

Don't give up! :carrot:

LovesBassets
01-05-2006, 04:09 PM
I don't have any advice, but I CAN say I feel your pain! :p I've been bouncing around between 141 and 139 for nearly a month now -- I know it's not as long as your plateau, but it IS frustrating.

All I can say is that over the summer, I was crawling along at 1/2 lb loss a week and then *suddenly* I lost about 10 lbs in 3 weeks...no idea why as I hadn't changed a darn thing.

Our bodies are pretty wacko, I guess. I wish I could give you more help :( .

kykaree
01-05-2006, 06:19 PM
I've been watching this thread coz I have no idea what to say to you Frus. You do everything right, your so conscious about what you eat, and eating the right ratios. And exercise, your the queen.

You know what to do, ignore the scales, concetrate on your NSV's (non scale victories) and wait it out. My plateau lasted three months, i have lost about 8 pounds and now I'm stuck again, so I know your pain too.

Hang in there possum and it will come off!!!

Mel
01-05-2006, 08:57 PM
Personally, I don't think you are eating that much protein. I average about 140 g. per day.

How does an :angel: eat? Seriously, what about posting your journal...what you really eat? And when you eat it.

Mel

srmb60
01-05-2006, 09:13 PM
I eat more protein than that too and wish I could up it just a bit. My blood sugar never dips if I eat some protein every couple of hours.
I'd like to see your food journal too, please.

mousie
01-05-2006, 09:37 PM
I third the request to see your journal. Being so active, I'd be really, really hesitant to cut back your calories any more. The quality of your food choices may be what's stumbling/limiting your success.

tsots
01-06-2006, 12:31 AM
I know exactly how you feel. I've been around 138lbs for about 2 months. I've had my indulge days, but most part I was super good, and exercised everyday. And it made me very angry for a while, but I am okay now. I am thinking as long as I workout and eat healthy regularly then I will get to 125 eventually. I am so tired of being mad and disapointed. I am going to enjoy the process, and as long as I get there then everything is good.

2frustrated
01-06-2006, 05:22 AM
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=busty17

Okay okay - here's my journal! ;) I have a chocolate "treat" every day, I'm weaning myself off it at the moment and after tomorrow I think the chocolate will be gone! Oh and the brownie today is for my birthday! :p

As for timings, recently I've been having 1sl of toast in the morning 7am (because I'm not hungry for more, usually have eggs or something), then fruit and yoghurt or a chicken sandwich about 9.30-10am, jacket potato with cottage cheese or scrambled eggs with 1sl toast at 12.30, carrots or more fruit or sometimes nothing arount 2.30-3pm, then 6pm is grilled pork medallions with corn or chicken veggie stir fry with rice then I usually have 1 chocolate around 8pm and a protein shake if I'm lacking and can afford the calories.

Exercise schedule is (from next week)

Monday - UBW morning, couch to 5K lunch, 1 hour kickboxing (teaching) pm
Tuesday - 1 hour kickboxing (pupil) pm
Wednesday - couch to 5K lunch, UBW evening
Thursday - 2 hours kickboxing pm
Friday - LBW pm
Saturday - couch to 5K
Sunday - rest

I'm not giving up kickboxing since I'm working up for my black belt, I've started running for some variety.

I know my eats could be a little cleaner and that might improve gradually, but compared to how I was eating 6 months ago it's amazing! I suppose if I'm not prepared to eat completely clean I'll just have to have more patience!

Weighed this morning and BF% is down 0.1% :rolleyes: :D

tsots I am with you in the feeling. I think today I'm over my little :tantrum: but it still is frustrating! I think if I focus less on weight and more on my fitness (like completing a 5K running all the way and getting the next belt in kickboxing) then it might just sort itself out! Plus I know my goal says 154 but I am reasonably happy with where I am now, so perhaps I just need to chill out a little bit! :dunno:

paperclippy
01-06-2006, 10:13 AM
2frustrated, I am with some of the other people. Maybe you need to eat a little more. Normally I would think 1500 is a pretty good amount, but I would guess that maybe you are burning more than you realize exercising. So if on Monday you eat 1500 cals, but you burn over 300 working out (just a guess, I don't know how much kickboxing burns), then your total is 1200, which might be too low?

I can't say anything about the protein because I suck at getting enough protein in my diet (I am the carb queen, it's kind of sad), but I'm with Megan on the fat thing. Maybe you are not getting enough good fats. I've been helped off plateaus before by adding more fat to my diet (cooking with olive oil instead of PAM, using regular salad dressing instead of lf). A quick glance at your food journal makes it look like you get most of your fat from meats and desserts ;) so maybe adding in some oily fish or nuts would help. Don't forget to keep an eye on what percent of your fat is saturated.

2frustrated
01-06-2006, 10:30 AM
:lol: Yeah I'm a sucker for my desserts, but hopefully that'll clean up as the Christmas junk subsides! :D I will try the nuts and seeds things! I have pine nuts that are just goddam yummy! Maybe I'll start with the peanut butter on toast again!

Mel
01-06-2006, 01:42 PM
OK, I think you are eating WAAAAAY too many processed and sugary foods, and not enough vegetables. I went back a few days in your journal and never saw a vegetable except corn, which IMO is not a vegie, but a starch.

Lots of bread in there, too. Can you try changing the sources of the calories for a week or two and see what happens? I'd suggest eating foods that are much lower on the glycemic index- sweet potato instead of white potato, brown rice instead of white, apple instead of banana, (ahem) a piece of chicken instead of fudge- try making a low fat mole sauce if you need chocolate! :lol3: :lol3:

Mel

mousie
01-06-2006, 01:56 PM
Whoa girl! A little low on protein still, for all the exercise you're doing.

Carbs come from veggies FIRST. Then if you have room you can allow yourself treats in the form of white carbs, but veggies must must must come first.

Also check your sodium levels, processed foods can make those skyrocket.

lateralus98
01-06-2006, 02:11 PM
You know, cheating on your diet every once in a while really helps, too. One time I didn't watch very closely what I ate and didn't exercise as much and then I lost 9 lbs in a few weeks! It's so crazy sometimes :dizzy:

2frustrated
01-09-2006, 10:38 AM
Right, a couple of things

I tend not to enter my veggies in fitday, since I think they're pretty healthy and usually pretty low in calories, like 4 calories in a mushroom, it's not worth switching the computer on for that! And I usually don't know what veggies I'll be having till I get home

I've been switched to brown rice for ages now, I quite like sweet potatoes but the ones you get over here are not as sweet, plus I don't like them with CC! I always eat apples! I've been having about 2 or 3 a day for ages! They're good for the mindless munchies!

I finished all the chocolate at the weekend, and there's no more processed gunk left in the house. However I don't mind just 1 piece of chocolate a day, to keep the cravings at bay! It's usually really dark and is always just one piece (even though I log it in fitday as 2 or 4 because of the calories :dizzy: )

I'm upping my calories to 1650 and increasing the fat and protein. Today protein is 120g. Also exercise is increasing this week since the kickboxing term starts today.

creaky
01-10-2006, 01:24 AM
What about doing some calorie ups and downs? A day or two at a 10-20% above your normal calories, then a day or two at your normal calories, then just one day slightly lower, then back to high. Maybe your body has gotten into a rut and needs to me shaken up a bit.

I've never tried doing this but have talked to some people on line who have.

NowOrNever!
01-10-2006, 01:41 AM
Dang, what a PITA, huh? Well, I think I'm probably with the majority as far as eating as clean as you can for a week or two and also to up your cals. I actually think based on your exercise that if it was *me*, I would eat 2,000 cal a couple days a week (2? 3?), and then back down around 1500 the rest of the time--and definitely eat the high amounts on the days when you're doing the harder workouts.

I always feel like this whole process is an experiment of one so I'd just log everything and try changing 1 (maybe 2 counting the food switch-outs suggested by Meg) thing at a time and give it a week or two and see if the scale breaks loose. If you DO decide to switch out some things, I would personally continue with a weekly weigh-in so you can determine what, if any, of the things you try gets you off the darn plateau.

and.....for a couple weeks at least, maybe log EVERYthing? Just so if nothing else, you can solicit the experts' advice (like Meg, not me) to review your log again and see what's to be seen?

Ilene
01-12-2006, 01:53 PM
Frus :hug: it IS soooo frustrating to say the least... Don't give up, like it was said, we are an experiment of one, EVENTUALLY it will come off, it has too if you are doing all the right things... Just keep experimenting with the process, because just as soon as one experiment works, you need to try a new one because you reach a plateau...

2frustrated
01-13-2006, 04:43 AM
:lol: Thanks Ilene! I've upped my calories a little bit but the scales are still stubborn! I've almost cut out bread from my diet and I've not had chocolate in over a week! :eek: I think I might wait for the extra exercise to kick in and see what happens next week! I'm just gonna chill out now, if this is where my body wants to be then I'm not entirely unhappy about it, but it would be nice just to be that little bit smaller!

Ilene
01-13-2006, 07:40 PM
Frus -- Maybe this will encourage you... This week I decided to officially weigh myself and measure... I keep a journal, so since January 05 I have lost a whopping, drum rrrolll please, 2#!! Not much eh? But when I measured I'd lost 2" on my chest (as if I really need to lose there :rolleyes: ) my waist stayed the same, lost 1" at my waist, thighs are the same, biceps have a 1" loss also, I was extremely happy with those stats.... Plus according so some calulators (which I don't really rely on, but use the same one consistently and it goes down) I am down to 18% BF!!

PLUS I have gone from a size 8 to a size 6, during 2005 :dance: .... (I actually bought a size 4, but honestly they MUST be missized, there's no way I am a 4 :no: )

So, I guess what I am saying is that maybe you should find other ways of measuring your successes... The scale is not a very accurate measure of our success...

HYH

mommyof4in5
01-13-2006, 09:00 PM
I have read in 2 articles 1 written by a woman on WW whos weight would not budge no matter what she did and one by a bodybuilder. Both said this during Plateaus or right before them you should alternate your intake of calories have 3 reg, 2 low, and 2 higher. EX. if your intake is normally 1500. Intake that 3 days aweek. 1800 on high days and 1200 on low days. They swore this worked for them. They said it keeps your bodys metabolism guessing. once it adjusts to how many calories it gets and how many it needs to burn to maintain it does just that it maintains. I am going to do this once I start losing. Keep me posted if you decide to try. Remember to mix the days around.