Depression and Weight Issues - Anyone with Panic disorders/issues?




davina
01-21-2014, 05:50 PM
Hi,

I thought the depression forum would be appropriate to also talk about anxiety.
A little background for the past few years I have developed a panic disorder with agoraphobic symptoms.. To the point where I don't leave the house very often and since this has started I have gained 60 pounds. I have always been overweight but since I am hardly active at all now it's gotten my heaviest.
The panic is probably the more pressing issue but weight is always at the back of my mind and so much of my routine to avoid or comfort bad feelings is through eating. Another thing is I hear so many people say start of slowly go take a walk, but I literally have too much anxiety to go for a walk :(
Has anyone dealt with bad anxiety & food compulsion/addictions/overweight and get better with both :(
or just any thoughts or experience with your own anxiety issues?


Jaymie77
01-22-2014, 10:32 AM
Hi Davina,

I suffered from severe anxiety with panic attacks for years. In the past two years I'm finally feeling like I have a great handle on these issues and now I'm focussing more on losing weight.
For me, it took medication, therapy and a lot of work educating myself about my conditions.
Are you on medication for your anxiety? Have you visited a therapist?
As scary as this might sound to you right now, the best way to overcome your anxiety is to face those situations that cause you panic face on.

LilDazed
01-22-2014, 10:46 AM
I had my first panic attack several months back. It was awful, and more than likely due to my stress levels and (a good guess) too much caffeine.

The thing is, it took me months to get back to normal after the attack. I suddenly felt very vulnerable.

I cut energy drinks out after the panic attack. Who knows, they might've spawned it. Most energy drinks are pretty unhealthy anyway. I replaced them with coffee, tea, and Vitamin B3 supplements.


ohiofreespirit
01-27-2014, 05:28 PM
I suffer from terrible from terrible anxiety. I am on several meds for it but they don't take it away. I have skills that help me but it is bad. I am lucky enough to never have a panic attack.


Therapy does me a world of good.

novangel
02-01-2014, 12:56 PM
Yes, I have experience.

I think once things have gotten so bad that you have trouble leaving the house then it's time to seek qualified help and be put on medication. This is not something to deal with (and suffer) on your own. I think meds are mostly a last resort but in your case it seems warranted...sometimes waiting too long for meds isn't good either because it could've prevented things from getting worse. I'd address this before you can't leave the house at all. Just my advice.

I hate that there's a stigma attached to psych meds because it's stops a lot people from seeking help. Don't listen to negativity and keep it to yourself when it comes to people that don't understand. It's none of their business anyway. Also stay off Google.

Good luck. :)

EasySpirit
02-01-2014, 01:16 PM
I have anxiety issues which I unfortunately self-medicate with beer and wine. I have had panic attacks; luckily I have them very, very infrequently, but I agree they stay with you. My last one was in October, 2013.

davina
02-02-2014, 01:08 AM
Thanks for all the input.
I do take medication I have no problem with that, however the anti depressants don't really do much for my issues, the anti anxiety meds are helpful with certain things.
yes I need help at this point and get some kind of cognitive therapy for the fears I just feel like I have so much to overcome and am completely stuck and can't get out of it.
I guess you have to feel the fear in order to get better and stop avoiding it.
I remember when weight used to be my biggest hurdle I almost wish I could go back to those days after experiencing this nightmare.

Honey_Dough
02-02-2014, 01:18 AM
I Have Terrible Anxiety. It Can Really Be Life Altering Some Of The Reason I Gained A Lot Of Weight. I Started To Stay In And Eat.

ushotmedown
02-02-2014, 05:23 AM
Me.
I am a lot like you davina with my anxiety turning into agoraphobia to the point that, when it was at my worst, I didn't leave the house for about 4 months. So naturally I gained a lot of weight. Last night though, I made myself go outside with my partner and went for a jog/walk at like 9:30pm when no one was around. That helped a bit

novangel
02-02-2014, 09:50 AM
Thanks for all the input.
I do take medication I have no problem with that, however the anti depressants don't really do much for my issues, the anti anxiety meds are helpful with certain things.
yes I need help at this point and get some kind of cognitive therapy for the fears I just feel like I have so much to overcome and am completely stuck and can't get out of it.
I guess you have to feel the fear in order to get better and stop avoiding it.
I remember when weight used to be my biggest hurdle I almost wish I could go back to those days after experiencing this nightmare.

That's great that you're taking something but if it's not working ask to try a different SSRI. Some work better than others depending on the person. They may also up your anti-anxiety dosage a little for now, but getting the right SSRI is key.

Also, yes...you have to face your fear. Exposure therapy WILL help a lot. Start out with a friend or family member and sit outside for a while, then get in the car and go as far as you can, then next time go a little further. Right now your home is "safe" but you and I know that's irrational...that's part of having a phobia. Whenever I feel scared my first instinct is to run home. I eventually learned to stop, sit down and make myself not go home. A lot of times I start to sweat when I am getting ready to leave the house to go somewhere for a night out. Believe me I want to stay home but I force myself to go...meds in my purse, but I go. It's hard. I totally understand. Keep fighting, hun. Tell yourself out loud that you wont allow this "thing" to ruin your life or keep you from going places. There are times I feel a panic attack coming on and I yell out "bring it on!" and it stops. It's a cycle of being in fear of the fear. Once you take control of your mind the fear stops.

Sorry for the novel..rambling thoughts. Good luck, hun. :hug:

davina
02-04-2014, 01:20 AM
Thank you so much. I do things like drive thankfully, Im not fully housebound...Certain things I haven't done like been inside a shopping mall in a few years, walmarts,etc...I could live without those places but even grocery stores give me a problem, I will run in quickly and get a few things...actually thats been a big problem I can't leisurely buy groceries anymore so I eat mostly fast food....whereas before I would have a long grocery list with my meal plans and take my time in the store :( You are right I will have to force myself one of these days ...
One exercise I could do instead of walking is find a public swimming pool so I need to look into that as well...if I get the courage to put on a swim outfit :o:)

Dogma
02-10-2014, 09:28 PM
Thank you so much. I do things like drive thankfully, Im not fully housebound...Certain things I haven't done like been inside a shopping mall in a few years, walmarts,etc...I could live without those places but even grocery stores give me a problem, I will run in quickly and get a few things...actually thats been a big problem I can't leisurely buy groceries anymore so I eat mostly fast food....whereas before I would have a long grocery list with my meal plans and take my time in the store :( You are right I will have to force myself one of these days ...
One exercise I could do instead of walking is find a public swimming pool so I need to look into that as well...if I get the courage to put on a swim outfit :o:)

Try online grocery shopping. They deliver and you dont even have to open them the door. I agree with the previous posts: your doctor should change the depression meds. As some help with anxiety. A sign they work is you will find yourself realizing you are "worried/afraid" about a situation but going into it anyways as if you were floating outside your body. You must seek therapy. There is no med that can help without therapy. Good luck...

Sasha29
02-10-2014, 10:41 PM
I have severe anxiety with infrequent panic attacks. My anxiety is mostly social anxiety, so taking a walk around the neighborhood or going to a gym triggers my anxiety too much to be a long-term solution. If walking around the block triggers your agoraphobia, then work up to it. Try workout videos at home (where it's safe.) I really like the Leslie Sansone videos because they are easy and feature people of all different sizes.

I agree with everyone's suggestions to try different SSRIs and talk to a therapist. Until you get help with the anxiety, you can still get exercise inside your home. It may just take some creativity.

ohiofreespirit
02-12-2014, 05:06 PM
I like going out, socializing doesn't bother me but large crowds...now THAT bothers me. I just don't like large crowds of people. I love sports and would love to go to say basketball of football but when I'm there...I'd be VERY uncomfortable.

davina
02-13-2014, 07:14 PM
"Try online grocery shopping. They deliver and you dont even have to open them the door. I agree with the previous posts: your doctor should change the depression meds. As some help with anxiety. A sign they work is you will find yourself realizing you are "worried/afraid" about a situation but going into it anyways as if you were floating outside your body. You must seek therapy. There is no med that can help without therapy. Good luck..."

Thanks :)



"I have severe anxiety with infrequent panic attacks. My anxiety is mostly social anxiety, so taking a walk around the neighborhood or going to a gym triggers my anxiety too much to be a long-term solution. If walking around the block triggers your agoraphobia, then work up to it. Try workout videos at home (where it's safe.) I really like the Leslie Sansone videos because they are easy and feature people of all different sizes.
I agree with everyone's suggestions to try different SSRIs and talk to a therapist. Until you get help with the anxiety, you can still get exercise inside your home. It may just take some creativity."

Thanks I will check out those videos...I remember doing turbojam for a little while and I really enjoyed it. Got my heart rate up pretty quickly.
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"I like going out, socializing doesn't bother me but large crowds...now THAT bothers me. I just don't like large crowds of people. I love sports and would love to go to say basketball of football but when I'm there...I'd be VERY uncomfortable."

Totally know what you mean...It NEVER bothered me before I would go to music festivals and such...Now the idea gets me nervous..
it really has sucked the joy out of everything, not to be a total downer I don't know how else to describe it..But on the positive side people have gotten better, there is hope.
One silver lining I can take from this is i don't take much for granted anymore. i am thankful for every good moment and can appreciate the smallest thing when I have peace of mind.......I can also recommend a book that gave me some comfort for anyone interested called "Hope and Help for your nerves" Dr Claire Weekes. it was published originally in 1960's so some of the wording can sound dated but she has a very comforting way of explaining symptoms,etc.

glitterhairdye
02-13-2014, 10:10 PM
I have fairly severe anxiety (that impending doom black cloud has loomed over my head my entire life) and suffer from frequent panic attacks, though most are mild. I have no issues with social anxiety, mainly people I already know, so my issues are a bit different than yours, but there are definite parallels. Some days it's a struggle to get out of bed or I refuse to leave the house. It just seems to be too much. Many days I don't work out at all, but I try to do some sort of exercise at home. There are great workout videos on youtube. I really like blogilates. Her workouts are all doable for every fitness level and most don't require equipment. I also have to have structure, so it's nice to have a workout calendar to follow to keep track of what to do as opposed to just being given an infinite number of options.
I'm going to the doctor tomorrow and I'm really going to push for medication. At some point, you have to realize that this isn't something you can handle on your own, it's a biochemistry issue. It will get better though, you can get through this :)

shcirerf
02-13-2014, 10:57 PM
Try online grocery shopping. They deliver and you dont even have to open them the door. I agree with the previous posts: your doctor should change the depression meds. As some help with anxiety. A sign they work is you will find yourself realizing you are "worried/afraid" about a situation but going into it anyways as if you were floating outside your body. You must seek therapy. There is no med that can help without therapy. Good luck...

I so disagree with online grocery shopping!

I get that it is easy, but, it's another way to hide.

I have in the past suffered from, anxiety, and panic attacks. It sucks!

I am lucky, I have a very understanding spouse, who helped me face the fears, and move on.

Don't get me wrong, it was horrible! Shaking, panting, chest hurts, I wanna puke! I was like frozen to the passenger seat of the car some days. I literally could not move enough to open the door, and put one foot on the sidewalk.:?:

But, facing it, turned out to be a blessing.

It was not easy! In fact, it totally blew mud.

However, sucking it up, and facing it, was what I needed to do.

I am now a much stronger person.

When I look back, the fears, that had me paralyzed, were not real, they were in my mind.

I have come so far, and now, I'm happy.

I get the feelings, of being stuck, and afraid, those are real.

But there is a whole world of happy, beyond the fear. :carrot:

davina
02-28-2014, 07:27 AM
Yes I definitely agree the only way to overcome it is to face it. Doing it is another thing entirely. Some days if I take the sedatives I can go to teh back of a smaller grocery store. But just yesterday i had to go to the back to get the cream and was trying to stop and stay as long as i could but as soon as that panic starts through me i have to get the **** out. usually i will get dairy products from the drug store as its close to the entrance.
It's a nightmare, I'm kind of losing hope now in august it will be 5 years with this problem.

davina
02-28-2014, 07:32 AM
shcirerf, do you have any tips or techniques on how you went about your exposure?

Waterbunny77
02-28-2014, 05:49 PM
Hi Davina, yes I have suffered from both. I suffer from severe anxiety, had it most of my life and agoraphobia also though right now I'm able to leave the house but finding myself lately getting nervous driving and about to stay off the freeways again. My anxiety is so severe that I'm on disability but can work part time which feels like full time.

I'm also a recovered bulimic so I have the compulsion to constantly eat. These two things have been a lifetime struggle and it wears me down at times. I adore sweets and can't get enough of them but then I'm disgusted with my weight. What I do is just really try very hard not to overeat when I'm home. There have been times though when it didn't work and I packed on the pounds. Right now I'm doing good. It's a real struggle but we're here for you. I won't lie and say this is easy.

SusanDenny
03-07-2014, 08:26 PM
I was like you and suffered badly from panic attacks and could not leave my house. After an endless search going to accupuncture, aromatherapy, naturopathy, spiritual healer etc. etc. I finally went and spoke to my doctor who put me on medication and I also had cognitive therapy.
I have never looked back and that was 14 years ago! Get medical help ASAP!

Hamoco350
03-08-2014, 10:32 PM
Hello there,

I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder when I was 15. I don't have social anxieties but I have issues with stressful situations, argumentation, and feelings of self doubt/low-self esteem. I have also struggled with panic attacks. I had depression as a teenager, but it was only because I had been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder and was having trouble controlling it at the time. Anyway, I have also struggle with BED (binge eating disorder) and some emotional eating. They go hand in hand with my anxiety.

I can honestly say that the first step I took in overcoming my panic attacks was learning to control my emotions better. I am a work in progress, but I keep a close tab on my general emotions. My anxiety usually stems from sadness or frustration. I'm not one to yell or throw a temper tantrum but my anxiousness can cause me to push people away, cry, close myself off, etc. If I feel myself getting offended or hurt, I pray or count to 10 at first. If I still find myself upset I have two options.

My first option is to completely remove myself from the situation. If a person is causing the feelings, I leave them immediately. Usually it's a situation for me as people don't bother me too much. One of the worst panic attacks I ever had was when my ex-fiancÚ yelled at me over church. He never wanted to go with me and was deeply offended by something my pastor had said, and yelled at me while I was driving. Since I'm an anxious driver (at times), I started crying. He then proceeded to open the car door while I was driving. I pulled over and had a massive panic attack, and he called me childish for it! I removed myself from the situation by deciding he wasn't husband material (different spiritual paths plus he was too angry for me), and that helped with my anxiety some.

Another option is to find hobbies that are known for relieving anxieties. I play piano and guitar. I also have a puppy that I love dearly. And now, with the weight loss thing, I am exercising and walking a lot! I love to read and journal, that's actually the best thing for my anxiety personally. I pin things on Pinterest, read articles, watch The Golden Girls (I know, silly, but it works!), and bake new things for my family to try. Sometimes I'll take my cousins to the park or for a milkshake - yeah, I'm dieting, but not depriving. Let's see... I also write poetry, work on my book, visit family members, go window shopping, go thrifting, do something crafty, or work on my motivation boards/scrapbooks. I just find something that helps!

Also, and this is important - find a job you love. I can't work until I have surgery in early April, but I spent most of my years after high-school working. A miserable job will make YOU miserable. I worked at a Dollar Store and crappy hotel for years... yeah, anxiety happened a lot! But I also worked at a vitamin store for commission, with my boss who was like a second mom to me... not a career, but a job that was lovable, and that helped! I know this seems like grandma advice, but I get called grandma a lot SO, never work at a job you HATE. Even if you desperately need it, look for something better while you're stuck there. A bad job is the worst for your psyche!

I hope some of my advice helped. Living with anxiety is not easy, but it is definitely manageable. The most important thing I've done in overcoming GAD is giving it to GOD. I saved this for last, but it matters. Jesus is the reason my panic attacks have lessened over the years, trust me. He is the answer to every problem. :)

davina
03-13-2014, 05:54 PM
^ I love golden girls lol. I don't think it's silly, watching comedies has been therapeutic at times when I was in dark moments and wanted to escape my own thoughts/feelings. My personal fave is Curb your enthusiasm, I just can't help but laugh when I watch that show. Thanks for all the other suggestions.

today I took a bus for the first time in 4 years or so since my car broke down. So maybe that is a progress into fully desensitizing my brain, we will see.


I have started doing 12 step Overeaters anonymous. I dabbled in it before but would get way too frustrated and stop. This time it's been a full month, actually going through steps with a sponsor on phone,etc(have not been to face to face meeting yet) I went in because I was desperate to do anything to stop my overeating/compulsive eating/binge eating. But I've stayed for all the shares I read and people i've spoken with through email that give support. Some of these people not only are recovered from eating but are filled with peace that you can feel from their writings. Another has found relief with her depression. I went in for the food but am also staying for the hope that it can help with my fears and becoming an overall more content person. I just wanted to share this in case it is of help or something to look into for anyone.


Someone else also suggested a CD to me, Pass through Panic, Dr Claire weekes(her book hope and help for your nerves is really good) that was very helpful to them so just wanted to pass that on, it could be really helpful to play in the car while driving if you have issues there.

davina
05-05-2014, 01:10 PM
I have been going downhill with my mental state the last few weeks.
I lost my job and car(which was my safe mode of travel) and just feel trapped, in my mind, in my home. To add to the anxiety and feeling that i am about to lose it, I can't stop the negative thoughts and soul crushing depression. Its hard when you have nothing to fill your time anymore and have literally nothing to do but think and ruminate and ive also isolated from my friends for so long..the one friend I do still keep in touch with I would drive to meet up with :(

Anyone have any tips or distractions for a routine when you are unemployed to get out of your head,have a purpose? Any input at all is highly appreciated I guess I would also like to just talk..I literally feel like prisoner with this anxiety disorder.
I am watching life go by, I get a lead on therapy and then it falls through, I don't know what to do anymore. Anti anxiety meds are the only thing that give me a moments peace and I make sure not to take them every day so they work if I really need them.

MonicaM
05-05-2014, 01:26 PM
Davina, I believe that if you took the right anti-anxiety pill every day, you would eventually feel better. I don't think taking them only when you really need them works. If you took them every day, you would not feel the need for them. That is the problem many people have; once they get on the correct meds, they feel so good they mistakenly think they no longer need the pills, and they go crashing down.

PLEASE see your doctor ASAP and explain everything. I feel for you. I have had that trapped feeling and the negative thoughts. My last full-blown panic attack was in 2012.

chablet
05-06-2014, 07:33 AM
Hello, I too have anxiety and it makes it hard for me to leave the house. I have come to the conclusion that every time something quite stressful (where I feel or don't have power to change the circumstance at that time) I retreat indoors and it steadily gets worse. I have now gained 60lbs from staying indoors for almost 2 years due to abuse. I have gone through readjusting myself back into society - I guess you'd say, several times. Never gets easier. I found the best way is to just leave the house on small errands. Although starting out... it is hard... I started out a few times just going on a few hour trips by myself. Granted they weren't the smoothest trips but I could come/go when I wanted and did not have to really interact with many people.

I am trying now to go outside and do things now but it is hard. I am just starting out again. I put things off all the time. I say I will do x,y and z tomorrow but when it comes I procrastinate and do it on purpose so that perhaps DH can do it or at least give me a ride and come with me.

I don't really have any advice for you about what to do while unemployed. I never really found anything to do for those 2 years, I was depressed so most enjoyable things weren't too enjoyable if you understand me. While you are looking for another job why not volunteer a few hours at a charity shop or something similar to try to help you get out of the house. I'm not sure if you are like this but I am more likely to leave the house if my job depends on it/people depend on me. Other reasons to leave the house I just blow it off. There are also some online volunteer opportunities as well if you google a bit. I forget the places but some that were interesting were to do captions for Youtube videos for deaf folks and to read/record stories for people to listen to. It could keep your mind busy and help others at the same time.

Send me a message anytime.

Pattience
05-06-2014, 08:10 AM
Hi Davina, i haven't read most of the second page but here's some suggestions from me. I have dealt with depression for years and have never had a panic attack but i have experienced anxiety and lately have had a little bit. I get it mildly and can cope with it but having it again reminds me of how much it throws you off. So i can totally understand why you've become agoraphobic.

Anyway what i want to say is this:
1. I don't think changing antidepressants will fix your depression here. I think the only thing that will help you deal with the depression is dealing with your other problems such as your weight and taking your anxiety for treatment to therapy sessions.

2. I think CBT would be the best form of therapy but also learning mindfulness meditation. The thing about mindfulness meditation and how it can help you is that you learn how to sit with uncomfortable feelings and to let them pass or keep on doing what you need to do while the feeling is still there. You see most of us do tend to be ruled by our feelings and if you can't yet talk yourself down from a feeling, you can a) learnt to breathe yourself down and b) learn to experience the uncomfortable feeling like anxiety and be ok with it.

You could practice that on the front step of your home or in very short walks outside your front door. But you should learn it from a skilled therapist or buddhist meditation teacher.

After you've done the initial training with your meditation from a psychologist, you could then go to a vipassana retreat and do it with a whole group of people, starting with perhaps a weekend retreat only so help you get used to that context. Finally you would do a 10 day session. They feed you good and that would help you with the diet part of things. When you apply to do the retreats, you should tell them about your conditions so that they can probably give you a room to yourself. And for that you would need a letter from your doctor. So that's all stuff that would take a period of time to go through but its a way to think about starting to tackle it all.

The retreats are only paid for by donation. They are all over the world. There will be heaps of places in america you can go. I've two 10 day retreats. If you consider one of these, it would probably pay you to find out as much as you can in advance so you have some idea of what to expect and what would be expected of you and how to deal with any i mean ANY, little issues or big ones that come up.

But first step would be to get a therapist one who is trained in both CBT and mindfulness meditation.

Personally i think if you haven't got anyone helping you to get to the supermarket and making sure you get there i'd think you are better off getting your vegies online shopping. At least this way you could start eating a lot better.

As to exercise, you can start to include just a few little things throughout your day to get your started. That's what i've done. I started with doing 5 squats a day when i go into the loo. Then on my way i do 5 pushup against the washing machine. Then i got a book that had some pilates exercise and started doing just five partial sit-ups - the ones with your knees bent and your arms crossed behind your head and then your turn left and right. And then i'd turn over and do five head and should lifts for my back with hands by my side. A week later and i'm now motivated to go running and i went today all of a sudden.

When you are read to do a vipassana retreat look up goenka vipassana. There is nothing to be afraid of when going there. They are very well organised and managed and are used to dealing with all sorts of people and problems. They put in a good effort to look after you but they are not their to counsel you. RAther to help you learn how to do the technique and sit through the whole course. Do not worry about the rules and restrictions. Everyone finds they work very well regardless of what you may think when you first read them. i.e. no talking to others, no eye contact, no books, radios, phones etc. Its a global phenomenon that has been going on for quite a few years now. They don't really want to convert you to anything but just teach you how to do this meditation technique. So people with all sorts of religious backgrounds go and are welcome.

davina
05-06-2014, 02:07 PM
Pattience, thanks for the vipassana meditation suggestion, looks like I have a centre about an hour from me. I am definitely going to look into it. I've been looking into retreats and such but they are all way out of reach for me price wise so this seems like an amazing opportunity. edit..actually reading up on it and some comments it sounds kind of scary and not suited for someone with panic issues..I'll research some more on it.


chablet,I relate to a lot of what you've said. I too gained about 60 pounds since this whole thing started. I have always had a weight and food problem, but just ballooned due to so much inactivity and doing nothing but eating.
I've never heard of the online volunteering options sounds very interesting, will definitely look into it..Thanks. Please message me anytime as well.


Thanks Monica for your support. I am working on finding a good doctor/psychiatrist

IanG
05-06-2014, 02:26 PM
I used to suffer a lot with anxiety. Exercise put an end to it (I'm just too frickin' wasted from working out to be worried about anything).

I therefore support other people's recommendations about exercising indoors.

Pattience
05-06-2014, 07:26 PM
Pattience, thanks for the vipassana meditation suggestion, looks like I have a centre about an hour from me. I am definitely going to look into it. I've been looking into retreats and such but they are all way out of reach for me price wise so this seems like an amazing opportunity. edit..actually reading up on it and some comments it sounds kind of scary and not suited for someone with panic issues..I'll research some more on it.


chablet,I relate to a lot of what you've said. I too gained about 60 pounds since this whole thing started. I have always had a weight and food problem, but just ballooned due to so much inactivity and doing nothing but eating.
I've never heard of the online volunteering options sounds very interesting, will definitely look into it..Thanks. Please message me anytime as well.


Thanks Monica for your support. I am working on finding a good doctor/psychiatrist

Davina, its definitely something you should work up to with therapy first and learning mindfulness from psychologist teacher first preferably. I can breakdown all the other concerns that you may have though, its also why i suggested starting off with a weekend or as small a retreat as they have for starters.

Although its strict, they do care for you a lot. And if you know about ways to make it easier for yourself, you could manage. Did i say i've done two retreats in different centres. There are always one or two people who leave early but if you were well prepared in advance, you'd have no trouble. I found that for me, all my therapy and having learnt the basics of meditation and done some reading in advance, made it much less problematic for me than for people who go straight into a 10 day retreat with zero awareness of meditation and the centres. Most ordinary people can handle doing that, but for people with any mental health issues, they need to be properly prepared.

What i learnt from my first one, and was much better at handling for my second one, was not to argue in my head or outside it with theoretical points i disagreed with. but just to go with the flow.

Although its a long day, if you don't get up for the morning session, that's fine. There is plenty of time for rest and sleeping if you need it.

But as i said, you should be well prepared in advance if you have an anxiety issue but it could well give you a huge breakthrough in your experience if you can stay with any course you start until the end.

Theres'a also a book you could try to work with from home. Called mindfulness in Plain English, though i think if you can learn from a psychologist you will leaps and bounds ahead of anything you can learn from a book but that is a very good clear and straightforward book to start with. I loved it so much i read it twice straight away. There's also Jon Kabat Zinn's book called Full Catastrophe Living which would benefit you. In it he shares the same technique as that in the vipassana centres. But the vipassana experience is so worth doing. The teaching style is really really excellent - not to put too finer a point on it.

mysticalsunshine
05-25-2014, 10:09 PM
I definitely know how you feel. I am at the point now where I do not leave my apartment unless I have a psychiatrist appointment. I am on several different anti-depressants that seem to not really work at all. I am now at my heaviest which I believe to be approx between 450-500 lbs. I am so scared to leave my apartment for the fear of being made fun of because of my weight. So yes I can definitely understand how you feel.

novangel
05-26-2014, 07:29 PM
I have been going downhill with my mental state the last few weeks.
I lost my job and car(which was my safe mode of travel) and just feel trapped, in my mind, in my home. To add to the anxiety and feeling that i am about to lose it, I can't stop the negative thoughts and soul crushing depression. Its hard when you have nothing to fill your time anymore and have literally nothing to do but think and ruminate and ive also isolated from my friends for so long..the one friend I do still keep in touch with I would drive to meet up with :(

Anyone have any tips or distractions for a routine when you are unemployed to get out of your head,have a purpose? Any input at all is highly appreciated I guess I would also like to just talk..I literally feel like prisoner with this anxiety disorder.
I am watching life go by, I get a lead on therapy and then it falls through, I don't know what to do anymore. Anti anxiety meds are the only thing that give me a moments peace and I make sure not to take them every day so they work if I really need them.

I think you need to be on an SSRI to combat both the anxiety and depression. Regardless you need to be on something daily if it's this bad. Go see a Psych as soon as you can. It can get better trust me.

davina
05-30-2014, 02:48 PM
thanks novangel...I will be starting meds soon i think...i may have access to a car again shortly which is what kept me sane even though I think i will have to readjust to driving. fingers crossed it goes well.

i hear you mysticalsunshine (I am also in Ontario btw :)..the added weight probably doesn't help.. although in my situation I was at a decent weight when it started and weight loss is not helping me....but for you if it is a lot to do with weight all the more motivation to lose some.. even a little weight loss has made an improvement on my physical endurance.

if anyone with these issues wants to talk about them or anything pm and we can exchange email address for support,tips,just to talk,etc.

CuteFlower
06-21-2014, 01:49 AM
I can relate to this a lot, I have generalized anxiety, social phobias among other things and because of the meds I take, I gained 120 pounds in a few years and I can't seem to lose it no matter what I try. I get panic attacks and other things like that too. Somedays I give up and other days I keep trying, but it's hard.

novangel
06-21-2014, 11:44 AM
Davina, how are things??

davina
06-29-2014, 08:02 PM
Hi Novangel :hug:

Condition wise pretty much the same but I don't want to be a downer all over this thread..
Positives are that I have been ok to drive again which is a huge relief.
Went to a group peer support meeting.. although it won't help with my particular issues, it's good to just be around other people focusing on improving their mental health.

novangel
06-29-2014, 10:57 PM
Hi Novangel :hug:

Condition wise pretty much the same but I don't want to be a downer all over this thread..
Positives are that I have been ok to drive again which is a huge relief.
Went to a group peer support meeting.. although it won't help with my particular issues, it's good to just be around other people focusing on improving their mental health.

Driving on your own is HUGE. :carrot: Baby steps and eventually the fear subsides, then you can make the next step. ;) Remember that if you have a bad day that doesn't mean tomorrow is doomed. That was a cycle I got stuck in a lot that held me down. Now if I have a day of anxiety I tell myself that it's merely a bump in the road and tomorrow is a new day. The fear of the fear is a vicious circle. Breaking that thought process was hard but it can be done in time. :)

Being around other people will be good for you too. It's easy for us to get caught up in avoidance but that gets lonely.

flower123
07-14-2014, 01:33 PM
I just found this thread. Yes I have painc issues. Makes it too difficult to walk or get exercise outside the home. And the depression makes it even harder to exercise at home.

Need to make committment to exercising at home no matterr how hard it is. Cannot give in to both panic and depression. Must exercise regardless of depression.

I would love to start a bit of a support thread for people who cannot leave home to exercise. And who can support each other in goals to exercise at home. I have a mini trampoline that I theoretically jog on. would love for it to be less theory and more action. Would anyone be interested in an exercise support thread for people with panic and depression? People who have trouble being out exercising. But who would want to support each other in exercising at home?

PatPat
07-18-2014, 03:19 PM
I cant leave the house on my own. well to be precise, I can get out of the door and in my car if I know there is someone I know there where I go.
I really need to start tackling this. My best buddy is in the same house as me, so I can go with him for shopping etc, but it still limits me down a lot of course...
I got a spot for therapy but even going there is sometimes too hard...

I hate this!

EDIT adds: I want to start training for a 5k in 1,5 months, and I really have to work towards that goal cause I can not do this at home. At the moment I train with my wii and dance pads, which is great but that 5k I want to run with friends.
I have gotten meds that make it a little easier (as I said I can use my car again and go somwhere where there is friends, the car had been standing so long before that that the battery was completely empty). I work with my therapist toward the "being able to pick up running". We will see how that ends....

flower123
07-18-2014, 09:23 PM
PatPat, I can see from reading your words how hard you are working toward your goal. AND you are having success. I have much respect for your goals and how hard you are working toward them.

Sometimes the road to success has many turns. The important thing is that you are working on the road to recovery. Congratulations on that success !!!

PatPat
07-19-2014, 03:00 AM
Thank you flower :)

I think the steps I took for my souls wellbeing even also enabled me to turn life around step by step and taking the weight issue in my hands for good aswell.
Right now both tracks - the dieting and exercise as well as the therapy for my soul - seem to help each other great deals. The exercise gives me energy in the morning, the therapy helps me towards the right thinking: that I am worth it and can do things. For example :)

*hugs* for everyone that is in the same boat, there is a way out of it :hug:
(and if I need meds for my soul for the rest of my life, I don`t care. It is a desease like every other desease is too)

Beverley8603
07-19-2014, 06:16 AM
Hello
I haven't been on here since 2011. I too am agoraphobic although not as bad as I have been. It is really holding me back. I have not driven since we got a new car last October. My nerves get the better of me. I only go out to get in the car and husband drives me to the supermarket. I used to get lots of exercise but feel almost paralysed. I really empathise with you all. I am looking to get a grip and start small and get better.
Good luck to all on you road to recovery. I am in Berkshire, UK so I think I should update my profile.
Beverley

PatPat
07-19-2014, 03:01 PM
Beverley, how would you feel just driving the car yourself with your hubby next to you? I mean, like for me the car is a safe environment, and you could gradually get into driving it yourself... and then maybe driving to a friends house or something ... (my buddy and his mom did the same for me by being on the other seat and going somewhere with me... that slowly made the car into a safe zone like my house, and I could go in it alone to see friends after. my therapist sugessted trying this gradually. first drive with someone you know, then drive alone to a friends house)

ReillyJ
07-19-2014, 04:30 PM
All i can say is YESSSSS :(

Had one the other day on the way to pick my brother up from the hospital, my H had to turn around and take me home, felt like an utter failure (no one else saw me that way)

I had overcome it for years and it's back now..could be hormonal changes (i'm 52 and also bipolar)

All i can say is you're not alone. Try not to give in to it as best you can, that's where i'm trying to regain now

flower123
07-20-2014, 05:12 AM
PatPat, sounds really strong, what you write. Good for you. Strength doesnt mean we always feel strong. It means that we keep working at things. No matter what.

Beverly, the small steps get people there just as quickly as the faster ones. Its all in good timing.

Susie, sorry you had that happen today. While I can understand feeling like a failure, you honestly are not. Some people have it so easy. But people who have challenges as you describe are stronger than the people who just can breeze more easily through life. I am sorry you live with those challenges. But it is not who you are. They are the challenges only strong people can navagate. And you do navagate them, from what I am reading. :hug:

i have grappled with agoraphobia pretty much all my life. Sometimes I am able to do more than other times. i sometimes am able to go out. Expecially if I am going to meet up with a safe person in a safe place. But even thats not easy. The agoraphobia makes food more of a crutch.

panic attacks mostly stopped when I started taking a spefic vitamin that apparantly I needed. I do not think we can talk about specific things we take. So I will not mention what it is. Plus, this was the case only for me. Its not known, as far as I know, to treat panic attacks. The lack of that vitamin in my body just caused constant panic attacks. Now, I get them. But not often. And there usually is a reason i can discern.

If I did not have agoraphobia, I would walk. or perhaps go to the gym. Although I cannot imagine going to the gym. If I did not have agoraphobia and had money I would go to zumba. That would be great fun.

Beverley8603
07-20-2014, 05:30 AM
Thanks so much for the tips and advice. I feel safe in the car but the thought of going alone is tough. I am determined to tackle this though as life is passing by so fast. Small steps. Just getting the supermarket on my own again would be so great. Hugs to all.

novangel
07-20-2014, 10:24 AM
panic attacks mostly stopped when I started taking a spefic vitamin that apparantly I needed. I do not think we can talk about specific things we take. So I will not mention what it is. Plus, this was the case only for me. Its not known, as far as I know, to treat panic attacks. The lack of that vitamin in my body just caused constant panic attacks. Now, I get them. But not often. And there usually is a reason i can discern.

Magnesium? Just curious.

ohiofreespirit
07-20-2014, 07:21 PM
I am scared all the time. The meds help a little bit but I am always afraid something bad is going to happen. It affects me physically. It makes me sick to my stomach. I hate being like this. It is just takes so much energy to just exist. My life feels like ****, at times. I try to make it better by going to college and trying to improve my life. I use the word "try." The anxiety makes it so hard to better my life. It is hard to bring on more stress, other than what life already brings at me. I am sitting here quietly crying because I am not doing well in my class and i am stressed.

You are not alone.

flower123
07-21-2014, 01:02 AM
Magnesium? Just curious.
Not sure if its okay to say. because this is #5 in the list of rules for the website.

5. Messages intended to promote potentially unsafe and/or controversial weight loss procedures or products (including but not limited to non-medically prescribed supplements and MLM products) are considered inappropriate and may (at the discretion of the forum team) be removed without warning. This rule is intended to protect our users from Multi-Level Marketing schemes, or other hidden sales tactics, which are strictly prohibited on this site.

Its just a vitamin. But still, i do not know if it is okay to say which one. :dizzy:

flower123
07-21-2014, 01:10 AM
Oh Lisa,i am so sorry that life is this challenging for you. Have you spoken with a college counselor about it... relating to how it is effecting the class?

I know that you are not alone. I belong to another website where many kids in college (or earlier levels) are having the same challenge. for the same sort of reason. Really good people suffer from this stuff. But i do think college counselors are accustomed to hearing about it as a fairly common reason for a student not doing well in their course/class. Sending some of these :hug:

davina
08-01-2014, 03:00 AM
Hi flower123,
I sent you pm, if you wouldn't mind sending it in private message about the vitamin.
I like looking into anything that has helped others.
thanks

flower123
08-01-2014, 04:46 AM
Of course, Divina. Would be happy to answer in pm. Actually, i already did. I hope you find something that helps. I know how hard it is to live with this. I recently had a bit of a relapse. And had to start using the suppliment again.

novangel
08-01-2014, 06:11 PM
Of course, Divina. Would be happy to answer in pm. Actually, i already did. I hope you find something that helps. I know how hard it is to live with this. I recently had a bit of a relapse. And had to start using the suppliment again.

Could you PM me as well? I'm still curious. :)

flower123
08-02-2014, 12:37 AM
Could you PM me as well? I'm still curious. :)
Done :)

Stephmt91
08-02-2014, 08:10 PM
For the past 3 years i have had an anxiety and depression disorder. I developed an eating disorder and had severe panic attacks and anxiety 24/7 over everything. I started drinking to self medicate which ended up making things worse i drank so much id get heart palpitations and tingling in my hands and feet from it.It was hard for me to focus on school or anything else. I ended up getting over my ED but still having the attacks ect. I finally went to the doctor which i would always put off until my bf finally made me go. I have been on lexapro that has helped alot and i quit drinking. My advice would be to mabey switch your meds or talk to your doctor about how they affect you , see a therapist , and quit all drinking if you do. I also have a self help book on the issues i read that helps.Whenever i start feeling bad (which is rare now) i just try to distract myself. Well i hope that helps lol :)

Impala
08-04-2014, 12:54 PM
Have you ever tried EFT (Tapping) it is a great form of therapy especially for anxiety and panic attacks. And once you have had a few sessions with a therapist, some people are able to use the technique for themselves. A lot of the anxiety and panic attacks are the bodies way of protecting itself from something that you want to do, but might have had a bad experience in the past from, so when you want to do it again, you have a anxiety attack to put you off doing it.
Different therapies work for different people, but it might be worth looking into it.

SweetyKins
08-18-2014, 07:02 PM
I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety issues lately myself. I don't neccessarily have panic attacks but I definitely self medicate. I'm curious about the lexapro, Steph. I'll have to check that out. Zoloft helped me for a while but then I started to pack on the pounds. I was worried that was causing the weight gain so I stopped taking it but the weight keeps coming on from stress eating. I work full/over time and I'm going to college at night as well. I just feel overwhelmed all the time and I keep worrying about my weight which causes a vicious cycle. I can't fit into most of my current clothing and can't really afford to keep buying more clothes right now. I feel trapped. I hate my job by the way as well. I wish I could find something else to do but not sure what it would be.

ohiofreespirit
08-23-2014, 04:17 PM
I have been so lucky. My Dr/Nurse Practitioner upped my Gabapentin to 800 mg and I feel like a new woman. My anxiety is under control for the first time in years.

I still get overwhelmed, at times. I still feel nervous too but it's the normal types of overwhelmed and nervous. I talk through them with my therapist on how to handle them. That anxiety and the anxious thoughts I used to think and feel are pretty much gone. I hardly think about it any more. I just live my life.

I have lost 4 pounds but I have so far to go. I am where I am, that is all there is to it. I will just do the best I can.

I hope you all find relief, I really do. *hug*

flower123
08-25-2014, 07:28 AM
I have been so lucky. My Dr/Nurse Practitioner upped my Gabapentin to 800 mg and I feel like a new woman. My anxiety is under control for the first time in years.

I still get overwhelmed, at times. I still feel nervous too but it's the normal types of overwhelmed and nervous. I talk through them with my therapist on how to handle them. That anxiety and the anxious thoughts I used to think and feel are pretty much gone. I hardly think about it any more. I just live my life.

I have lost 4 pounds but I have so far to go. I am where I am, that is all there is to it. I will just do the best I can.

I hope you all find relief, I really do. *hug*
Great post, Lisa. Sounds like things are falling into place. Meds that work, therapist with whom you can work. things easier for you. AND you lost 4 pounds. I understand the feeling of having "so far to go". But I like what you say about it. Acceptance of where we are is a huge gift. Otherwise it becomes fighting with oneself and where we are at. And that is the anthisis of healing.

novangel
08-26-2014, 09:38 PM
I'm going to be trying an experimental medication in conjunction with my anti-anxiety meds. It's an alternative to SSRI's - my Psych has been getting some positive feedback from other patients that have breakthrough anxiety/panic.

I haven't tried it yet because I'm scared of unfamiliar pills. It's not for everyone, it can't be taken if you're already on SSRI's. I will give an update after I start taking them..

flower123
08-27-2014, 03:52 AM
I'm going to be trying an experimental medication in conjunction with my anti-anxiety meds. It's an alternative to SSRI's - my Psych has been getting some positive feedback from other patients that have breakthrough anxiety/panic.

I haven't tried it yet because I'm scared of unfamiliar pills. It's not for everyone, it can't be taken if you're already on SSRI's. I will give an update after I start taking them..

I hope they work REALLY well for you. I understand being scared of unfamilar pills. But it will be so worth it if they give you relief

davina
09-19-2014, 01:19 AM
novangel, hope you are doing well on the medication. Keep us posted on how it's going.

novangel
09-28-2014, 09:25 AM
novangel, hope you are doing well on the medication. Keep us posted on how it's going.

I haven't tried it yet. :^:

I'm going away on a trip soon and I don't want to open pandora's anxiety box because that's very hard to close.

When I get back I'm going to start the new med and if all goes well after a while I will try to taper one of the two meds I'm taking now. :crossed:

Wannabehealthy
09-28-2014, 10:30 AM
Novangel, if Flower sent the name of the vitamin in PM would you send it to me also?

I am fearful of a lot of things...driving for instance, because I don't drive often. I never considered it to be a medical problem for me, but maybe it is. DH tells me I'm afraid of everything. If DH isn't home, I keep the doors to the house closed and locked. I thought I was just overly cautious.

I think rule #5 is more specific to people who talk about supplements that are promoted as a weight loss miracle. In many cases, these people are distributors for the product and are trying sell them to you. I see many people mention drugs and supplements they take.

flower123
09-29-2014, 02:33 AM
Novangel, if Flower sent the name of the vitamin in PM would you send it to me also?

I am fearful of a lot of things...driving for instance, because I don't drive often. I never considered it to be a medical problem for me, but maybe it is. DH tells me I'm afraid of everything. If DH isn't home, I keep the doors to the house closed and locked. I thought I was just overly cautious.

I think rule #5 is more specific to people who talk about supplements that are promoted as a weight loss miracle. In many cases, these people are distributors for the product and are trying sell them to you. I see many people mention drugs and supplements they take.

Hi, I have realized that yes, rule 5 is for what you say. I thought this was the case. But didnt want to be banned if I was wrong. But others do it. So....

It is Vitamin B12 in absorbable form. If you are low on B12 you could get an injection. I buy B12 cream. Maybe the pills would work for you. I think its not not easily absorbed into the system. But I do not think it will take care of what you describe. It only took care of the sort of panic attacks I was getting. It did not help with other anxieties I do have. :( I wish there was something for anxiety that is natural. So many things out there. I have taken so many of them over the years. I think its hit or miss depending on each person's specific situation. I am sure I am not saying anything you dont already know. Sorry. i SO wish I had better info. For you and my own self. Are you taking a good D3?

novangel
09-29-2014, 10:12 AM
I'll send you a PM.

Wannabehealthy
09-29-2014, 04:46 PM
Flower, I have a few medical problems for which I take medications, so right now I don't take anything not prescribed by my physician. I have never had my D checked, but I get sunlight daily and I should probably be ok there.

Thanks for the reply, and thank you Novangel for the PM.