Weight Loss Support - Day 2 of my all liquid diet.. Talk about rough!




cosmokindra
07-06-2011, 02:35 PM
So right now I am doing anything I can to try to keep my mind off of.. FOOD! Ugh this is rough! My doctor put me on a liquid diet for 2 weeks to retrain myself to eat. Its hard.. really hard! Harder then I thought it would be! I can have breakfast shakes and I thought they would be more filling. They aren't at all! This is going to take a lot of motivation! I'm wanting everything I see! I keep thinking an apple sounds so good lol because they are filling! How do you ladies keep your motivation going? No food sucks


berryblondeboys
07-06-2011, 02:43 PM
What kind of doctor would do that? Sorry, but that sounds odd... retraining you to eat by doing something radical that isn't supported as a sound way to lose weight?

cosmokindra
07-06-2011, 02:50 PM
My doctor put me on it for 2 weeks to give me a kick start to my weight loss and she says it will retrain my way of eating and make my stomach shrink as well as detox my body! Then she will start to introduce the foods I need back in Sound good but way hard


aimeebell
07-06-2011, 02:51 PM
Retraining you to eat by not eating? Eeek. Has he referred you to a nutritionist? That may be more helpful.

TooManyDimples
07-06-2011, 02:53 PM
I think I would be looking for a new doctor. That sounds horrible. =/ If you feel like you need to do it, and can than best of luck to you.

berryblondeboys
07-06-2011, 02:54 PM
I don't want to undermine what your doctor is saying and if it's temporary, OK, but that is odd.

What kind of liquid diet are you on? Not all nutrition shakes are created equal. Some are very carb heavy and will make you hungrier, faster. You need enough protein and fats to make you feel full and stay full. The carb laden ones will spike your sugars and make you crave foods faster.

mayness
07-06-2011, 03:02 PM
If any doctor I see ever uses the word "detox" I'd run screaming out of the office. :p

But I did once do a juice (and coconut oil) fast for a few days to fit into a dress :o which was probably pretty similar, so I can understand how you're feeling. Just try really, really hard to stay distracted!

AmberJae
07-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Are you allowed to blend foods? Like, maybe putting that apple you want in the blender with a few other fruits and veggies and then drinking it? Or is this a clear liquid diet?

Michi702
07-06-2011, 03:16 PM
I have heard of people going on a one or two week liquid diet to both shrink the stomach and detox (think Master Cleanse... very unappealing when you look up how it works!) but I'm not entirely sold on it. I don't think it could work for me - I don't even want to try Slim Fast meal replacement shakes!

I agree with asking for a second opinion from a nutritionist. It can't hurt to have another trained professional give you some advice and if they are on board with the plan then I guess I don't see a problem with it.

bargoo
07-06-2011, 04:50 PM
I think this is odd, too. What kind of a doctor is this ? Is he an MD ?

SCraver
07-06-2011, 05:11 PM
This sounds a bit odd to me, too. I know that there are medical reasons to sometimes go on liquid diets - but the reasons you have given would send me out the door to a new Dr. Just making a couple of dietary changes is often enough to "jump start" weight loss.

Detoxing is a crock. You body is made to flush out all the wastes on it's own. If you aren't ellimating correctly - get thee to a new Dr. to get checked out.

Then - there is the stomach shrinking part. A Dr. would know that stomachs don't shrink. They stay the same size. As you eat less, your body learns to be satiated on less - but the size of your stomach remains the same. The only way to shrink your stomach is to have surgery.

I have read, too, that liquids don't always make you feel full as chewing the same amount of calories. Something about chewing sending signals to the brain.

I am sorry - I hope I don't sound unsupportive. I just worry that the information your Dr. has given you is not going to help you in the long run. Did she recommend you to a dietician or nutritionist?

bargoo
07-06-2011, 05:42 PM
Cosmo, please come back and explain. I am puzzled by the expression "to retrain myself to eat ". Haven't you been eating ? Do you have some medical issue that prevented you from eating. I just don't understand being retrained to eat.Please enlighten us.

PacSunMama
07-06-2011, 05:51 PM
Retraining you to eat by not eating? Eeek. Has he referred you to a nutritionist? That may be more helpful.


Totally agree. That doctor sounds like they don't know what they're talking about. This could have a huge negative impact on your metabolism that could take a long time to correct. The only way to retrain yourself to eat, is to re-learn how to eat. And unless you're going to be eating a liquid diet all the time, this isn't going to work for you. If you have the discipline to follow this diet for 2 weeks, you can instead follow a healthier eating plan for 2 weeks while you wait for a referral to see a nutritionist.

Look around this site for some great ideas. I highly recommend calorie counting because it's easy to start (free) and you can make your own choices, but still budget calories throughout the day to be appropriate for good weight loss!

shcirerf
07-06-2011, 10:51 PM
:carrot:To you for getting started.

However, a liquid diet is going to retrain you to eat. Hmm, just like a colon cleanse is going to retrain you how to poop.

That is the biggest load of bull pucky I have ever heard.

Unless you have an extremely specific medical condition that would require this, it's a bunch of hooey, and your Dr. is probably making money off of you on the liquid diet stuff.

None of us are knocking you.:hug: The liquid diet was popular in the 70's my Mom did it. Didn't work.

Take a deep breath, cruise around the different threads here. There is a better way to eat healthy, lose weight, exercise and still have a treat now and then.:D

xty
07-06-2011, 11:02 PM
Hi there and welcome to 3fc!

Looks like one of your first posts and I hope you dont mistake everyone's concern for lack of support. It is an amazing group I am thankful to have found. But it does strongly reinforce healthy weight loss methods and goals.

Since you didnt ask for input on the actual plan, I wont comment in that direction :)

Dont know enough about diet comp to discuss actual liquid diet substance, but here are a couple suggestions on general coping methods:
- Ensure you are drinking a TON of water. Dehydration signals can feel like hunger, and when losing weight we especially need to hydrate. Aim for 1-2l/day min. When Im concerned about my electrolytes, such as when Im not eating well or at all, I feel like drinking Smartwater makes a difference.
- Sounds like you are not on the MasterCleanse (and I havent tried it either), so unrelated I DO reallllly enjoy hot water, lemon, stevia to sweeten a tiny bit and cayenne! The cayenne really warms me up and it is supposed to contribute to satiety and rev metabolism.
- Coffee really does work as an appetite suppressant for me. I only drink ~2 Americanos a day (espresso + hot water), it has less caffiene than drip.
- Teas. Experiment here...lots of flavor with no cals. Use stevia to sweeten
- Blended iceeees. My new fav thing: 1/4 lemon, 2 cups ice, 1 stevia, 1/2c cold water in the blender! Sub lemon for 4 strawberries and a handful of mint. OMG delicious
- Chew gum- Distraction. Watch tv, work out, go to the mall and walk around, go to a park and read a book, volunteer, visit a friend, etc.

jillnicole03
07-06-2011, 11:02 PM
I'd see if you could add more protein into your morning shake, like protein powders. My boyfriend gets some type of protein shake powder from GNC and he says its good, only like 120 calories and it fills him up (which isnt easy the boys huge lol). I'd check that out, but hopefully it will get easier with time! :)

jillnicole03
07-06-2011, 11:07 PM
I think is what she meant by retrain to eat is just when you stop eating crappy food for a week or two then you don't seem to crave it any longer, you're wanting healthy filling foods.

JohnP
07-07-2011, 12:45 AM
If you want to retrain someone how to eat you should be putting them on a high protein whole foods diet.

Sorry to say but any all liquid diet is a complete joke. You should tell your doctor to read "Rapid Fat Loss" by Lyle McDonald.

tricon7
07-07-2011, 11:23 AM
Even when my wife was on an extreme 1000 cal./day diet from her doctor/nutritionist, he gave her real food to eat. I could see her doing something like putting you on solely fruit and vegetables for two weeks but - no food at all? Sounds extreme. Just because she has a diploma on her wall doesn't mean she can't make mistakes.

tricon7
07-07-2011, 11:25 AM
You should tell your doctor to read "Rapid Fat Loss" by Lyle McDonald.

Sounds like an intruiging book. What's the gist of it?

foodmasochist
07-07-2011, 11:48 AM
i'm not sure what all the fuss is about. There are plenty of medically supervised liquid diet plans out there. i have a good friend who found great success on a liquid diet along with exercise. They have a whole plan of when to introduce new foods and what to eat. It's not like they hand you a slim fast and tell you to call in 2 weeks.

Anyway, it may be possible to have broth or sugar free jello on your plan, perhaps you can look into that. Also, while vigourous exercise may sound like too much, exercise in general always helps me not to be hungry.

i agree it must be very hard! i don't think i could do it! If you stay on, best of luck to you. If you don't, there is lots of good info here on various plans and what works best for people.

:carrot:GOOD LUCK!
-FM

Suzanne 3FC
07-07-2011, 12:00 PM
True, there are medically supervised liquid diets and hopefully this is a legitimate prescription diet that her doctor has put her on. However, the use of the word detox worries me because that's a sure sign of quackery.

If you feel that you need to retrain your eating, I would highly recommend looking into something like the Beck Diet Solution. It's based on cognitive therapy and it's the real deal. The books are available on Amazon.

Rick Raymond
07-14-2011, 02:37 PM
I agree with John that if you want the best way to jump start you diet Lyles book would be the best but its also not designed to be a long term diet.
The gist of it is its a PSMF( Protein sparing modified fast) You eat enough protein to help spare your lean body mass and just enough carbs to supply your brains requirements for glucose and in so EFAs and some timed ref feeds. This all comes out to a vary low amount of calories and you will lose fat fast and drop alot of water for a really fast weight loss.
Thats the gist of course there is more and Lyle is very exact in figuring out how much protien and re feeds you need based on your current body fat levels and activity levels. You will always learn alot ready Lyles books.



Sounds like an intruiging book. What's the gist of it?

mayness
07-14-2011, 03:47 PM
JohnP: I know I'm kinda threadjacking here, but after reading your post in this thread I finally read "Rapid Fat Loss" (first edition; someone had given it to me but I had never read it) and I've been doing it since Saturday and LOVING it so far. So, thanks for mentioning it, because I would never have remembered I even had the book otherwise. :)

tricon7
07-14-2011, 03:51 PM
I agree with John that if you want the best way to jump start you diet Lyles book would be the best but its also not designed to be a long term diet.
The gist of it is its a PSMF( Protein sparing modified fast) You eat enough protein to help spare your lean body mass and just enough carbs to supply your brains requirements for glucose and in so EFAs and some timed ref feeds. This all comes out to a vary low amount of calories and you will lose fat fast and drop alot of water for a really fast weight loss.
Thats the gist of course there is more and Lyle is very exact in figuring out how much protien and re feeds you need based on your current body fat levels and activity levels. You will always learn alot ready Lyles books.

Does this diet entail a very low calorie intake per day?

Wannabehealthy
07-15-2011, 11:01 AM
So right now I am doing anything I can to try to keep my mind off of.. FOOD! Ugh this is rough! My doctor put me on a liquid diet for 2 weeks to retrain myself to eat. Its hard.. really hard! Harder then I thought it would be! I can have breakfast shakes and I thought they would be more filling. They aren't at all! This is going to take a lot of motivation! I'm wanting everything I see! I keep thinking an apple sounds so good lol because they are filling! How do you ladies keep your motivation going? No food sucks

Although I am surprised that a doctor would do this, I don't think it's as harmful as some think. I recently had surgery. I did not have anything to eat or drink for 6 days afterwards. On day 7 I was given clear liquid...broth, jello, tea. On day 8 I was allowed full liquid...oatmeal, tomato soup, pudding. On day 9 I was allowed "regular food" but was told not to go overboard. At this point, my appetite was pretty much gone. I could only eat a few bites of each food I was given. I lost 15 lbs. But I am very overweight and needed to lose. I have gradually increased my food intake and have to watch my calories again. I am trying not to gain back the weight I lost and continue to lose. OP is doing this for only 2 weeks and I'm assuming at the end of the 2 weeks she will start to add food to her diet gradually until she reaches the point where she will be eating a healthy calorie count and be losing 1-2 lbs per week.

Carol

mayness
07-15-2011, 11:50 AM
Does this diet entail a very low calorie intake per day?

Yup. I have the first edition of the book so I'm gonna be a bit off, but for me (a smallish female, who's overweight but not obese, and does a moderate amount of exercise) I end up eating around 700 calories most days, about 75% of them coming from protein. Days when I have a "free meal" or "carb refeed" are higher. And this "crash diet" phase only lasts a few weeks at a time before I take a "diet break" for a week. It seems excessively complicated at first, but the science all makes sense.

stimkovs
07-15-2011, 12:59 PM
I agree with John that if you want the best way to jump start you diet Lyles book would be the best but its also not designed to be a long term diet.
The gist of it is its a PSMF( Protein sparing modified fast) You eat enough protein to help spare your lean body mass and just enough carbs to supply your brains requirements for glucose and in so EFAs and some timed ref feeds. This all comes out to a vary low amount of calories and you will lose fat fast and drop alot of water for a really fast weight loss.
Thats the gist of course there is more and Lyle is very exact in figuring out how much protien and re feeds you need based on your current body fat levels and activity levels. You will always learn alot ready Lyles books.



It seems interesting, but a little like a crash diet. has anybody tried it? I feel like, you always need to keep eating the foods you love otherwise you will go off plan...