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02-19-2008, 09:36 PM
This came to me in an email today.


#1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated.
(Likely applies to half the world population.)

#2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak
that it is mistaken for hunger.

#3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as 3%.

#4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs
for almost 100% of the dieters studied in a University of
Washington study.

#5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue.

#6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of
water a day could significantly ease back and joint pain
for up to 80% of sufferers.

#7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term
memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on
the computer screen or on a printed page.

#8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of
colon cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast
cancer by 79%., and one is 50% less likely to develop
bladder cancer. Are you drinking the amount of water
you should drink every day?


#1. In many states the highway patrol carries
two gallons of Coke in the trunk to remove blood from
the highway after a car accident.

#2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of Coke
and it will be gone in two days.

#3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the
toilet bowl and let the "real thing" sit for one hour,
then flush clean. The citric acid in Coke removes
stains from vitreous china.

#4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers:
Rub the bumper with a rumpled-up piece of Reynolds
Wrap aluminum foil dipped in Coca-Cola.

#5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour
a can of Coca-Cola over the terminals to bubble
away the corrosion.

#6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Apply a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola
to the rusted bolt for several minutes.

#7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into
the baking pan, wrap the ham in aluminum foil, and bake.
Thirty minutes before ham is finished, remove the foil, allowing the drippings to mix
with the Coke for a sumptuous brown gravy.

#8... To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of Coke
into the load of greasy clothes, add detergent, and run
through a regular cycle. The Coca-Cola will help loosen
grease stains. It will also clean road haze from your


#1. the active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid.
It will dissolve a nail in about four days. Phosphoric
acid also leaches calcium from bones and is a major
contributor to the rising increase of osteoporosis.

#2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup! (the concentrate) the
commercial trucks must use a hazardous Material place
cards reserved for highly corrosive materials.

#3. The distributors of Coke have been using it to clean
engines of the trucks for about 20 years!

Now the question is, would you like a glass of water?
or Coke?

02-19-2008, 09:40 PM
Hrm. Glad I enjoy my water. Come to think of it, I don't think I've had a glass of real full-calorie Coke in many years...

02-19-2008, 09:51 PM
Wow. Eye opening. Hmmmm...wonder if it applies to Barq's Diet Rootbeer.

02-19-2008, 10:24 PM
A lot of these are urban legends and have been debunked on Snopes and actually the subject of 2 Mythbusters episodes.

Otherwise known as: 87.3% of all statistics you see on the web are made up!


Edited: http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp


02-19-2008, 10:58 PM
Well for one thing...I know the thing about Coke removing corrosion from battery is absolutely true! My GF and I got stuck in Atlantic City cuz her battery was corroded and the mechanic we called told us to pour coke on it...we did...and I watched the corrosion completely disappear. She never had another problem with that battery corroding again!
Think I'll try the ham thing...sounds good! I totally think the water statistics are true cuz I used to live on diet coke/pepsi and now I live on water...and the fatigue during the day is gone..gone..gone and the weight is flying off! Great Post!!! Joyce

02-19-2008, 11:44 PM
I don't believe any of that stuff...except maybe the eroding thing, but it's not like coke sits in your body in it's original form long enough to do it inside you.

02-20-2008, 12:09 AM
I'm going to ditto what photochick wrote above. Not only are the coke "facts" an urban legend, but so are the water "facts." They are debunked here:

coke: http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp
water: http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp

02-20-2008, 01:24 AM
I know that there was a man in Atlanta that bought a stock-pile of Coca-Cola Classic when the Coca-Cola company introduced "New Coke"--it was enough to last him quite a few years, and when he got to the bottom of his stock, there was brown stickiness covering the floor: The coke had eaten through the bottom-most cans--of course it took YEARS for that to happen...

P.S. I love coke :P I'm a diet coke person, now, though.. Does anyone else find the real stuff too syrupy?


02-20-2008, 03:06 AM
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

* Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
* Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
* Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
* DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
* Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
* Contributes to soil erosion.
* Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
* Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
* Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
* Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
* Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
* Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and worldwide. Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

* as an industrial solvent and coolant,
* in nuclear power plants,
* by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,
* by elite athletes to improve performance,
* in the production of Styrofoam,
* in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,
* in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals,
* as a spray-on fire suppressant and ******ant,
* in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics,
* as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,
* as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation,
* in cult rituals,
* by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use),
* by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,
* by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial corruption and inappropriate IM behavior,
* by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San Francisco,
* historically, in Hitler's death camps in **** Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran,
* in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture,
* during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East,
* by many terrorist organizations including al Quaeda,
* in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance,
* by software engineers, including those producing DICOM software SDKs,
* in animal research laboratories, and
* in pesticide production and distribution.

What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where DHMO is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally made part of public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our family members and friends. Among these startling uses are:

* as an additive to food products, including jarred baby food and baby formula, and even in many soups, carbonated beverages and supposedly "all-natural" fruit juices
* in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals,
* in spray-on oven cleaners,
* in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom products,
* in bathtub bubble products marketed to children,
* as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections,
* in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors,
* in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad,
* in Formula One race cars, although its use is regulated by the Formula One Racing Commission, and
* as a target of ongoing NASA planetary and stellar research.

One of the most surprising facts recently revealed about Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination is in its use as a food and produce "decontaminant." Studies have shown that even after careful washing, food and produce that has been contaminated by DHMO remains tainted by DHMO.

What are the symptoms of accidental Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose?
You may not always recognize that you have been a victim of accidental DHMO overdose, so here are some signs and symptoms to look for. If you suspect Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose, or if you exhibit any of these symptoms, you should consult with your physician or medical practitioner. The data presented here is provided for informational purposes only, and should in no way be construed as medical advice of any sort.

Watch for these symptoms:

* Excessive sweating
* Excessive urination
* Bloated feeling
* Nausea
* Vomiting
* Electrolyte imbalance
* Hyponatremia (serum hypotonicity)
* Dangerously imbalanced levels of ECF and ICF in the blood
* Degeneration of sodium homeostasis

02-20-2008, 03:07 AM
BTW, the above?

Dihydrogen = H2
Monoxide = O




See .... anything can be made to sound bad.


02-20-2008, 03:25 AM
A coworker sent me that a few years ago, and now whenever someone sends be a scare story, or one that's too-good-to-be-true - first I check Snopes, and usually find the debunk. I send the snopes article along with the DHMO one.

Also the show Mythbusters (one of my faves) also did a Coke debunk - and found mostly that Coke did no better/or worse than plain water, with the exception (if I'm remembering correctly) of cleaning chrome (though the difference was not remarkable). The results are available on their website.

The water myths make me angry because my mom nearly died of water poisoning (the hyponatremia PhotoChick mentions) because she bought into some of them believing her WW leader, and not counting her coffee. It took a week in the hospital to get her blood levels of sodium and other electrolytes up to a level safe enough for her to go home. The kidney specialist called in taught us that coffee does indeed count as does ANY water-containing food or any liquid (except some very strong alcoholic beverages). A cup of coffee does NOT require extra water for compensation and for regular users loses most if not all of the diuretic effects (At worst, an 8 ounce cup of coffee is equivalent to a slightly - not significantly - smaller amount of water).

Water can be a diet aid, but it isn't a miracle cure. Coke isn't a health food, but it isn't a corrosive poison either.

02-20-2008, 07:16 AM
I should have checked with snopes...actually, I usually do. :o

Anyway....water IS good for us!! :):) That's true.

02-20-2008, 07:28 AM
I personally believe that many people can't recognize when they are thirsty, though. I am one of them. I have to consciously remind myself to drink water. I get kidney stones, which my doc says by definition means I'm not drinking enough water for my metabolism.

It seems as though there is no good thing that can't be overdone, though, like kaplods's mom's water OD... I'm glad she came out OK, Colleen--people have died from it.

Gatorade was invented to prevent loss of minerals as well as to rehydrate athletes.

Speaking of phosphoric acid, does anyone here remember when drug stores had soda fountains? And what you got was a "phosphate" with different flavored syrups?

You can buy cola syrups and make your own cola with sparkling water--I think it avoids the phosphoric acid. But don't quote me. ;)


02-20-2008, 07:56 AM
Jay, this is why I tend to get on a soapbox when I see some of the water requirement misinformation or misinterpretation. I taught community college health classes, and actually taught that water intoxication was virtually impossible except in people with pre-existing kidney damage, or who took in outrageous amounts of liquid because of mental illness, extreme athletes, and people trying to "clean" their urine or blood for a drug test. When I learned otherwise, I felt horrible that I'd passed on dangerous misinformation.

For Mom, it was a VERY close call. If they had waited just a few hours to get her to the ER, she would have probably died. As it is, she lost about half of her kidney function permanently. The kidney damage was a result not a cause of the water intoxication. Her blood pressure medication (common and a low dose) put her at higher risk, but the kidney specialist she was assigned told her he is seeing more and more in healthy, unmedicated people and he attributed it to water myths like having to compensate for coffee with extra liquid, drinking half your weight in ounces (fine if you weigh 150 lbs, but crazy if you weight 300), that only "pure" water (he said no such thing for drinking purposes) counts...

Not counting coffee is what pushed mom over the edge, and so I cringe when I see people say that you not only shouldn't "count" coffee, but that you should drink extra water to compensate for the coffee (the amount seems to be increasing too. I've seen people recommend up to 2 cups of extra water for every 1 cup of coffee).

The scariest part is that people think they're fine as long as they feel ok, but water poisoning can develop gradually or suddenly, but there often are no symptoms until you're in grave danger. Kidney damage, heart attack, even death before anyone realizes you don't have the flu.

I don't want to send people panicking in the other direction, thinking that they're going to die if they drink a glass of water too quickly or don't measure the water content of their food, but it's hard not to get a little worked up when you realize something as benign as water nearly killed a loved one (and not by drowning).

02-20-2008, 09:07 AM
Wow!!! Good stuff here! Very interesting though, how urban legends go...it always has a bit of truth mixed with lies!!! When I was reading the list...I did notice several truths on both the water side and the coke side.

Sorry to hear about what almost happened to your Mom. I can see why your passionate about this issue as you should be. I was the extreme though...I never drink plain water (seriously)...I lived on diet pepsi/coke. I guess anything done is excess is BADDDD!!! I guess we all need to learn moderation...then we wouldn't be on these boards struggling with out weight! Just a thought. Joyce

02-20-2008, 09:11 AM
I know that there was a man in Atlanta that bought a stock-pile of Coca-Cola Classic when the Coca-Cola company introduced "New Coke"--it was enough to last him quite a few years, and when he got to the bottom of his stock, there was brown stickiness covering the floor: The coke had eaten through the bottom-most cans--of course it took YEARS for that to happen...

P.S. I love coke :P I'm a diet coke person, now, though.. Does anyone else find the real stuff too syrupy?

I'm a diet coke person myself. Love the Zero stuff, or the one with vitamins. I somewhat disagree about the real stuff though. On the rare occassion when my blood sugars ran low, or even recently at my sisters funeral, I treated myself to the real deal. It was like HEAVEN! I enjoyed every sip of it (I drank them down slowly, to savor every bit). Just had to include the 240 calories, 65g carbs (20 oz bottle) into my diet

02-20-2008, 09:13 AM
All I know is I've been off all soda since Saturday and feel wonderful! It took weeks (due to headaches)

Get off the soda, if you can. <- this includes diet soda too (which I think is just as bad)

02-20-2008, 09:21 AM
Unless someone can offer evidence that diet soda is bad, I'll stick with it. If it is all about "calories in/calories out", how can a 0 calorie beverage harm you?

02-20-2008, 10:54 AM
A couple of things....

1. Yesterday on Oprah Dr Oz gave a "prescription" to America to go soda free for two weeks and to see how you feel. I'm doing that (I started yesterday). I only average about a can a day anyway, so it won't be that big of a sacrifice.

2. All this talk about water poisioning is scary! So how much water can a woman of my size drink safely??

02-20-2008, 07:07 PM
In my opinion, there are only a couple of "bad" things about diet pop:

1.) Tooth decay --- Even diet pop can do bad things to your teeth (http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/diet-tooth-decay).

2.) Phosphoric Acid --- Most pop, even most diet pop, has phosphoric acid as one of the ingredients. It's also used in bathroom cleaners to remove calcium deposits from your shower walls... Likewise, it's been shown to leach calcium from your bones. Excessive pop drinking has been shown to lead to osteoporosis (http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/features/soda-osteoporosis)

As far as the impact of diet pop on weight loss, I don't see any. I know loads of people on 3FC who say that they drink diet pop on a regular basis, and they've lost loads of weight. For me, I can't stand the stuff. And since having the "real thing" isn't an option, I've given up pop altogether. It was tough for the first month or so, but I'm used to it now. I drink lots of water, and a little green tea now and then. And gatorade/powerade when I'm working out or am in the mood for something different.

02-20-2008, 08:16 PM
This is a very good question...it is kinda scary...water poisoning??? I used to live off diet soda (literally) drinking 7 two-liters per week or more!:devil: Now, I drink 2 two-liters per week. I now drink about 64-72 oz water daily. Since my body is not used to that much plain water...and you don't know if you have water poisoning until it's basically too late...WTF? :?:

Or...more elequently put...how much water is safe? Is there a fixed amount that everyone should drink...is there a formula for figuring out how much water, etc....???? Your input would be helpful. Thanks.:hug:

A couple of things....

1. Yesterday on Oprah Dr Oz gave a "prescription" to America to go soda free for two weeks and to see how you feel. I'm doing that (I started yesterday). I only average about a can a day anyway, so it won't be that big of a sacrifice.

2. All this talk about water poisioning is scary! So how much water can a woman of my size drink safely??

02-20-2008, 11:28 PM
I don't think there is a guaranteed "safe" amount that will be the same for everybody, and if there is I certainly don't know it, but I can tell you my personal experience with it. Mom and I are on a similar blood pressure medication and while I've never had a problem with water intoxication, I'm at risk because I'm on a similar blood pressure medication and I do tend toward low levels of sodium) that up to 3 quarts of water was safe for both of us. During and shortly after Mom's hospitalization, her limit was 2 quarts. She was so used to drinking twice that, that she felt like she was dying of thirst. In the hospital, she would beg us to give her "just a sip" of whatever we were drinking. Another case in which thirst can be deceptive (in an unexpected direction).

Anyway the kidney specialist said that we could have 3 quarts of liquid (counting every liquid, but not having to count food unless it was almost all water like broth). He did comment that while many people can drink more without danger, virtually no one needs more than 3 quarts of water, except maybe some extreme athletes performing at a level that would require electrolyte supplements (he made it sound like even they shouldn't be drinking much more than 3 quarts of plain water without starting to replace some electrolytes).

Sodium loss is usually the culprit in water poisoning (it can be other electrolytes, like potassium, but it's almost always sodium), and low sodium can put you at risk for a heart attack even with no symptoms. So, how much sodium is in your diet probably also plays a big role. I have to admit that I do often go over the 3 quart recommendation. Like today, I definitely did, but I also had chinese food for lunch which is SO high in sodium, I'm not too worried about it. Personally, I pretty much always keep it under 4 quarts since it seemed the "magic number" that pushed Mom over the edge. Even so, she'd been drinking that much for weeks without incident, so what was the "last straw" is kind of hard to say.

A few years ago, I was having surgery and the doctor found that my sodium level was too low to make surgery safe (he said I very well could have had a heart attack on the table), so I had to take supplements and have my blood tested again before the surgery. The surgeon said that if I ever needed surgery in the future, I should make sure that my sodium levels are checked first. When I have my quarterly blood work done (I'm on medications that need to be monitored), I always check the printout for my sodium levels, which are almost always at the lowest end of normal, sometimes a few points under. When I asked my doctor about it, he said I was just one of those "lucky" people he can actually tell to eat a little more salt now and then.

02-20-2008, 11:34 PM
I would suspect that the blood pressure medication was a major player here.

In general it's hard for someone in good health and who eats a regular diet (i.e. not a highly restrictive, no sodium, or extremely low calorie diet) to drink too much water.

Note that I said "in general" ... obviously there are exceptions and everyone has to take their own physical situation into consideration.

I personally drink anywhere from a gallon to a gallon and a half of water per day. But I also tend to eat more food higher in sodium (although I tend not to add salt to things, I use worcestershire and soy as seasonings, which is fairly sodium heavy). I also workout pretty hard and sweat A LOT, so I"m comfortable with how much I drink.

ONe guideline I've heard and that I tend to follow is that if my pee during the course of the day is a very pale yellow (very very pale) but not clear, I'm drinking the right amount.


02-21-2008, 05:10 PM
Thanks folks, that was helpful info!

02-21-2008, 05:29 PM
I think I like Photochick's pee theory...it seems to make the most sense! If your pee is dark in color...not enough water...if very very light...right amount of water...if pee is invisible...water poisoning...see....simple!!!! works for me! Thanks all. Joyce

02-21-2008, 05:50 PM
:lol: Joyce!
I agree :lol:...it's probably a very good indicator for most of us who are healthy :)

My family gets annoyed with me when I bug them to drink...based on the colour of their pee...especially my 10 year old son and hubby...:rofl:

02-21-2008, 06:13 PM
R U kiddin me???? My 9 yr old daughter will NEVER drink water if I don't remind her at least 20 times a day...of which 4-5 times she'll actually drink some water! Joyce

02-21-2008, 06:31 PM
I hear ya!
My boys (DH and DS) are pretty bad for not drinking enough, but my DD is really good...my Mom worried about her in the past because she'd never seen a kid drink so much water!

I credit this to always giving our kids water since they were babies, and limiting juices. No pop in the house etc.

02-21-2008, 07:01 PM
I'd like to jump in here if ya'll don't mind. I also am a fan of the "Pee theory". I saw an Oprah show with Dr. Oz and that's what he said. If you're pee is very light, almost but not quite colourless then you're well hydrated. If it's cloudy or dark coloured then you need more water.

I was a big diet coke drinker, at least a litre a day. But now I have it maybe once a week and even then I find that I don't even finish the glass. I crave water and I can relate to that feeling of "dying of thirst". If I haven't drank a litre by about 10am my lips dry up and I start to feel unwell. I usually drink about 2 x 1L bottles a day as well as coffee in the morning and sometimes tea in the afternoon. Also on days that I work out really hard or in the summer when I'm cleaning and sweating I tend to drink a bit more.

I guess I never really considered water poisoning...but I don't think I'm drinking too much water. All I have to do is check the "Pee theory" and I'll be fine!


02-21-2008, 08:49 PM
Yes, the diuretic blood pressure medication was the main factor that increased my mother's risk. The kidney doctor did not say whether the medication slightly increased her risk, doubled it, tripled it.... And while the doctor said he is seeing it more often in even healthy people on no medications, he didn't say how much water these people were drinking, what kinds of supplements they might have been on, or how often "more often" is (especially when you're talking about something so rare that it isn't even mentioned by doctors when they prescribe medications that increase a person's risk).

I think most people don't have to give their water intake a second thought, but if you're taking any herbal products or medications whether they be over-the-counter or prescription, especially diuretics, diet drugs, blood presure medications... or if you have a family history of kidney disease, or you're on a very low-sodium diet it's something you might want to discuss with your doctor at your next check-up.

02-21-2008, 08:57 PM
I totally agree with you Kaplod. I bet that doc wouldn't say exactly what caused it...not because he/she didn't know...but "lawsuit"!!! Seems like these doctors need to be a little more accountable when prescribing medications like that!!! Just about every elder member of my family is or has been on blood pressure meds, heart meds, etc. Seems to run in my family..ya know. That's why I'm here trying to change things around a bit!

Soooo....thank you poster of the "pee theory"...I think you've cleared up things for most of us here! Joyce

02-21-2008, 09:32 PM
Just to clarify, the kidney specialist had not prescribed the blood pressure medication, so he didn't have to worry about lawsuit (at least not toward himself). My mother had never met him before her hospitalization, as her kidneys had been perfectly healthy until damaged by the water poisoning.

I have to give him a lot of credit, because he was actually VERY forthcoming with information, and still is (because of the kidney damage Mom sees him every three months). We didn't really grill him on some of these questions.

As to her doctor who prescribed the medication (and the one who prescribed mine) I can't really fault them either, because they can't forsee risks they don't know about. Very, very few people drink more than 3 quarts of liquid on a regular basis, let alone over a gallon a day. Most people don't even get in their 8 glasses (and they may not have to, if they're eating a lot of fruits and vegetables and other moist foods). Recommendations or even suggestions to drink more than 12 glasses of water is a very recent phenomenon. Mom's kidney specialist said most doctors (that is, those who aren't kidney specialists) will never see a case of water intoxication and may not have a clue how much water is "too much" (on or off meds).