Ok, here is day 2 Tracker so far

Breakfast
2 packs plane oatmeal...5 PP
45 Grams raisins...4PP
1Tablespoon splenda brown sugar...1PP
Keurig cup Hot Chocolate...2PP

LUNCH
Subway 6" turkey on wheat(mustard, cucumbers, green peppers, pepperchinis)...8PP
1cup Weight Watchers 0 Point vegetable soup...0 PP

DINNER
4 oz flat iron steak.... 7 PP
1 cup weight watchers vegetable soup...0 PP
27 special K chip/crackers....3PP


SNACKS
3oz Golden spoon fat free frozen yogurt (leftover from lastnight) 3PP
3oz banana...2 PP
1Cup Weight Watchers pumpkin fluff...2 PP
2 cups skim milk...PP4
Weight Watachers cin Crisps.....2PP
1 cup raw baby carrots...0PP


We've been really good about not eating out since we started weight watchers which is nice, i like to cook and its so much healthier and cheaper.... but the baby had to have her shots today so we were out doing that and got hungry!

You don't seem to eat a lot of veggies, green or otherwise. I know I tend to stall and either gain or no loss for 3 to 4 weeks then whoosh a 3-4 pound loss. I do however always have a sandwitch bag of celery (approx 2 cups) and baby carrot (approx 1 cup) with me all day. That way I know I am getting in those veggies and fiber.

You are doing great posting just hang in there :carrot:

I would also want to add to drink your water faithfully everyday. It's important especially since you are running.

The daily points number takes into consideration the assumption that you are eating 5 servings of fruits and veggies. So I know you're counting fruits now, but in doing so you're going to be eating less points than you need to, as those 2 or 4 points are already in your 43 total. (If that makes sense) The zero point fruit can be easy to overindulge in, so you do have to be careful. If you want to count the fruit, that's fine, but then make sure you eat a few weeklies or AP to make sure you are getting your "true" daily point value.

I know you said that you are having a hard time meeting your daily goal. I see you are eating a lot of fat free and sugar free foods. Considering eating the real stuff. It will be the same amount of food you would normally eat, but it would bump up your daily point consumption. Also, if you're exercising a lot you might need to eat more. That's something I struggled with at first, too, when I started exercising more and more.

I didn't have good luck on PP and I know the die hard weight watchers might roll their eyes but it's true! So I went back to the older flex point system and I'm seeing a loss again. Do you have any of the older materials from before? Also, I once read a book by Bob Greene that said that when you work out,in the beginning, you will see a temporary weight gain since you've kind of shocked your body and it's trying to make sense of what's going. It will hold onto all the fluid it can until it realizes that this is the new 'normal.' This is why I've held off working out for a bit. I just want to see the weigh coming off and I will slowly start adding the workouts in. My body holds onto weight when I first start working out and it reallllly messes with my head!

I'm a slow loser and there is nothing I can do about it. Eat more protein, eat less protein,drink more water it doesn't matter. My body has a mind of it's own and you just have to go with the ebbs and flows of weight loss. If you're serious about this just keep on truckin' and perhaps look into the flex plan. I love it!

I love weight watchers and will always use it, i think its a great way to change your life and not diet..... however, im not fond of the Points Plus, i think its weight watchers way of making more money.... slower weight loss = members staying long..... which is fine, in the long run Weight Watchers is a business and its peoples livelihood.... however, i am going to tweek my program and see if that helps! im crossing my fingers hoping it does. If not even 0.2 and 0.4 pound loss a week is still a loss!

Ok, here are some of my observations:

First, you're not eating all of your points. You're allowed 43, you actually ate 40 on that first day, and 37 the second day- per your calculations- and people who don't eat all their points, tend to not lose properly they're that sensitive. WW did their science behind PP, it's not 100% smoke and mirrors to make money.

Second, you gave bananas points, and they're supposed to be zero. You also gave acorn squash zero points, but I remember the little blue book saying squash has points (because it's a starchy veg, same as corn, peas, and potatoes).

Overall your intake isn't horrible, but it is really lacking in the vegetable department and your body needs that fibery goodness & vitamins to tell fat "adios!". Personally, while the soup is healthy for you, I think it's the fresh veggies that help loss since boiled-down veggies lose their fiber and some of the vitamins.

Also, I would personally ditch the raisins because it, and other dried fruit, are basically concentrated sugar and why spend the points on sugar? Try regular fruit? I make a great oatmeal by slicing a banana and throwing it (and a tablespoon of pumpkin puree) in a pot w/ the water, get it to boiling then add oats and cook on low for 5 minutes, when times up start whipping things up with a spoon- the banana dissolves and give the oats a natural sweetness and a nice texture. I don't miss the added sugar. (I add cinnamon, chia seeds, and milk, too, FWIW).

As far as older programs vs. PP is concerned- it's all in how much effort and willpower (to stick to it 100%) you put into it no matter the program you choose. I've tried both and both work for me (I've lost 20-30 lbs on each), I just prefer PP because I felt deprived with fruit on Momentum, and deprivation makes me overeat on things I'm not "allowed".

I forgot to mention... look up the Good Health Guidelines, that should be your go-to when checking to see if you're eating enough (or too much) of something. I learned I wasn't eating enough healthy oils.. I wasn't eating any, actually, and it pulled me out of a plateau when I increased that.

:)

Great observations, Girlsenberry. The only thing I would mention is that I just checked my book and online, and squash is listed as 0 points.

As for me, my problem was overloading with fruit and not getting enough veggies. I'm trying to correct that now.

I know that since i count my bananas im not actually getting all my points in... but i figured it out, im consuming over 2200 calories a day if i don't count my fruit..... and the amount of carbs that are in fruits to me is very misleading..... i love carbs.... so does my body..... and i need accountability on how many im eating..... plus, i struggle some days to get to my points that im suppose to be eating and i find that i eat mindlessly just to get my points in..... counting my fruits is just a trial this week, just seeing what it does on the scale.... if i dont see it making a difference i will go back to the way i was doing it and just be glad im losing weight instead of gaining weight. i just think that 90 calories per average size banana, and it i eat 1 banana a day every week, thats an extra 630 calories a week im eating.... to me thats a heavty amount of "free" points. so like i said i just need to see if my body needs the more strict approach at first! I do appreciate everyones comments and suggestios!!!!

I forgot to add this to my tracker.... i drink lots of water every day, i just dont always write it on here.... i am a big water drinker... i drink anywhere from 80-100 oz a day of just water.... i do allow myself a diet soda or 2...depending on how early the baby woke me up in the morning.... and i do drink a hot chocolate or hot tea a day, the hot chocolate really helps my sweet tooth.... and i always save 2 points plus for it.... and the hot tea helps curb my appetite if i feel i just want to eat to eat, not because im actually hungry.:carrot::carrot:

Well, I'd recommend getting rid of the empty calories (and carbs if you're sensitive) like the chips/ crackers/ crisps and eat real food.. a slice of cheese, or a handful of almonds or nuts is a great way to get the points in if you find yourself with an excess of points. Doing 2 programs might be frustrating you a bit, WW isn't meant to be done with counting calories, the points take all that math into consideration, maybe just focus on WW -OR- calories, but not both, for two week and see where that takes you?

Actually, WW probably had more sucess in this respect on the older plans. People would lose weight super quick but would be unable to keep it off, so they'd gain it back and go back to WW. Rinse and repeat.

And I was one of those people: the last two times I did WW I lost 45 lbs in six months. This time it's taken me almost 9 1/2 months to lose 50. Yes, it's slow going, but I know I have the tools to keep it off and not gain it back and NOT BE A REPEAT CUSTOMER.

Losing the weight is only half of it. What good is losing the weight, no matter how fast or slow, if you aren't going to be able to maintain the food and lifestyle changes?

I can't agree enough!

Acorn squash is? I thought only yellow or green zucchini squash were zero, but the pumpkin-type squashes weren't? Good to know! I need to find my blue book, it disappeared on me.