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susanje 04-21-2002 10:34 AM

Body for Life #52

Basic Body for Life Information

Must Have: Body for Life book by Bill Phillips

BFL eating program in a nutshell (see book for more details): six meals a day 2-3 hours apart consisting of balanced (or close to balanced) protein/carb using fist (carbs) palm (protein) method of measurement. 2 meals a day add green veggies. 8-10 glasses of water per day.

Because of the six meal requirement, some people find it convenient to have Meal Replacement Drinks on hand. This is not a requirement but a convenience.

Meal Replacement Shakes. Look for good ratios of protein to carb and low sugar (Myoplex Lite by EAS and Met Rx not anything like Slimfast [which is all sugar!]) or use Protein Powder and add carbs such as fruit. If you shop at www.netrition.com the page for each product will list carbs/proteins/fats/sugars. check the labels carefully! If you like to add carbs, go for a low carb but keep your protein/carb grams in mind. Some of the protein shakes have protein grams as high as 42 and this is usually too much for one BFL meal for any woman so split these in 2 and add carbs.

Vitamins: suggest multivitamin

Supplements: l-glutamine for faster muscle recovery and immune system (this is not required but almost standard fare on BFL)

Essential Oils: Recommended. Udos is the most recommended.

Workout schedule (see book for more details): 45-60 minutes intense weight trainining 3 times a week working lower and upper body on different days. 20 minutes intense cardio 3 x a week (see the BFL book)

Free Day: One day a week no workout and eat any thing you please, as much as you please.

Rest: 12 weeks of program with one day of rest each week and then one week of rest between each 12 weeks.

Mental requirements: commitment and dedication

Results: AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My Body for Life Page:

susanje 04-21-2002 10:40 AM

A local drug store is having some giant Slimfast sale and my husband, trying to be a dear, brought me home a CASE last night.

I had to return it. So the lady says "Why dont' you want this?" and I said "It's sugar water and I don't drink sugar water." She was all offended about it.

I also looked at those puny cans. My MRP mixes up a full blender worth of good stuff. Most of the time I drink my MRP straight from the blender with a straw because I don't have a glass big enough for it. :lol:

My poor DH, he was trying to be supportive!
Off to the gym,

MrsJim 04-21-2002 10:56 AM

Case of SlimFat??
What a sweetie your hubby is - well intended I'm sure!

Jim would've probably just drank them himself. For some reason he LIKES those icky things. :p I guess he thinks they're like Yoo-Hoos which he also likes. I think Myo Lite has it all over SlimFat not only as far as nutrition but TASTE-wise as well. The only flavor I buy of Myo Lite now is the Cap Ice. On my comp diet I don't get them but once in awhile - I do get a couple of straight protein shakes a day - MetRx Protein Plus is what I prefer.

It's supposed to be gorgeous out today but of course my apartment is filled with cat fur again, so I might send Jim out on his bike by himself so I can have a chance to vacumn and clean this place without him getting underfoot. Not that he wouldn't help but he REALLY needs the exercise...I need to get some air in my bike tires today so I can start riding a bit too. It's been AGES since I've gone cycling - with the bodybuilding and horseback riding, cycling has taken a back seat...

MrsJim 04-21-2002 11:47 AM

Correction on the water displacement...
This morning I was thinking about the discussion we had on the last thread re: portion size (specifically carb portions).

Now, during my first and second challenges, I just 'eyeballed' my portions by putting my fist next to my rice or whatever (potatoes are easy - I just buy the ones that are the size of my fist - actually the ones that come in the 5 and 10 pound bags are the best size - smaller than the ones you buy by the pound). Usually the size would come to somewhere around 2/3 cup.

So this morning I tried the water displacement test again. First I did it the way I described in the previous thread - filled up my 4-cup measuring cup to the 2-cup level and sank my fist in, then read the amount - which was almost 3 cups, so that method would make my fist portion 1 cup.

Then I took my 1-cup measuring cup, filled it to the 1-cup mark, and holding it over the sink sank my fist into it (a tight fit but it DID fit) then took it out. The water left in the cup was just under the 1/2 cup level, so that way my fist portion is just over 1/2 a cup.

So...which way is right? I'd have to say the second one, although this is not an exact science.

Sorry if I led anyone astray...but I stand by what I said last night - start with 1/2 cup for most carbs (obviously there is stuff like fruit where that is not going to apply). If you're getting hungry before your next meal, then you know you need to add a bit more to your portion - maybe 1 or 2 tablespoons - gradually. Remember underfeeding yourself is as bad as overfeeding yourself on BFL!

My dryer just beeped so I've gonna start folding clothes now. Another fun Sunday :lol: Later all!

Mel 04-21-2002 12:49 PM

Good ole chicken!

Most of the time, I just broil a ton of chicken breasts with an assortment of herbs and spices, then serve it plain the first time, then cut up in salads or vegie sir fry after that.

My other favorite is a line of sugar free and low sodium Indian sauces from Whole Foods. I cook an equivalent ton of chicken breasts in either "Bombay Curry" sauce or "tandoori marinade" (don't fish it out of the marinade, just leave it all in there). I toss in green beans and chickpeas, and serve with a little brown rice (or a lot for hubby and son. It's great that way leftover, or you can also cut it up over salads for a spicy chicken salad. This is not real appealing for breakfast, tho :lol:.

Last night we ate out (not a free day) and I had scallops and chinese vegies in a clear broth, with a very small piece of ww BREAD for a carb. I've lent my book out, and can't remember if scallops are legal? My fingers were so swollen from water retention I could hardly get my rings off later, but it didn't taste salty. Those things must be loaded with sodium!

Today is free day, and so far I've had cottage cheese and cantaloupe- just don't feel like eating. Still puffed up with water and haven't drank any:nono: Gotta start, maybe I'll de-puff.


susanje 04-21-2002 08:31 PM

went to the gym this morning. very achy. very tired. very hungry. headachy. I did about a half LBWO and thought that what I needed, really needed, was a FREE DAY!!!! Scurried out of the gym. I'm so mentally and physically exhausted. I have another trial next week and have been writing trial briefs. My head is swimming.

My first Free Day of this challenge (I've been doing a free meal once a week) but I'm on like week 9 or 10. I'm going full throttle until the 25th of May. I feel so BIG!!! urp. After the gym I went out to brunch with DH and daughter. That lasted me many hours then I had a LARGE icecream cone. I regret that I didn't have a burrito in Berkeley. I also regret that I dont' have anything else in the house that is not clean! :lol:

I might have some cereal and call it a day. :lol:

semmens 04-22-2002 07:23 AM

Free Day
So as I posted earlier, I wasn't doing the true BFL eating/ Free Day thing the first 5 weeks.

All this week, I thought about what I could eat on Free Day! And now when I add it all up, it isn't that bad (IMO)

apple with almond butter
Ironman bar
ramen noodles with a couple ounces of chicken
a cup of Tin Roof ice cream
1 1/2 cans Bud Light
3 squares of Trader Joe dark chocolate (this is hidden in the freezer....shhhhhh!)
a few Tyson Buffalo Bites

Then we ate dinner at a Mexican place; I had grilled steak with a few bites of black beans, a small serving of guacamole and some chips and salsa.

I can see how when you actually get to EAT the stuff you dream about, it turns out to be sort of a letdown. While it's sometimes a hassle to fit all 6 meals in, I do enjoy the structure.

MrsJim, you will be happy to hear that my scale is now residing on the top shelf of my closet; I'm not taking it out again for 6 weeks.

Hope everyone has a great week!


carps 04-22-2002 07:45 AM

water displacement
sorry - double posted

carps 04-22-2002 07:58 AM

water displacement
Hi all - Mrs Jim, I would tend to think that the first method would be more accurate, (four cups of water etc).

Thunderheart - LAST WEEK GIRLFRIEND!!!... can you believe it!

Today I had an unusual experience. At my new work (admin for a kiwifruit packing shed) there is a nice older guy there who rides a bike and wears leathers etc. He is single and a bit of cool dude. Anyway, I have this new lipstick which is super glossy - you know the ones - it looks like I have a coating of gloss on my lips - and I really love it, so I was wearing it today when I said hi to him, and then a couple of hours later he came over to my office and said "Show me your lips again". I felt a weird kind of sick feeling in my stomach. A part of me was kind of flattered, and another part of me felt awful, and sick, and unsure about what to do. After he left I got to thinking about how after I lose weight I am going to have to get used to different attention from men. - and I'm not really sure I know how to deal with it. It was fine when I was single, but now I'm married and completely in love with my husband:love: I just don't know how to deal with it.

Anyway - that was a bit of a ramble, but I'm sure some of you can identify.

trying to go hard for this - my final week of challenge 1. I'm only two pounds away from my goal (yes I'm still a hopeless scales addict):nono: and I'm really hoping to hit it by Sunday Morning.

got to run - supposed to be working (it never ends)

susanje 04-22-2002 09:27 AM


I completely identify. I have always gained weight in relationships and part of the reason is, I believe, I can't handle the unwanted attention from men most of the time but especially when I'm in a relationship. It makes me feel creepy. Now, I am no wallflower. I was raised in the Bronx and can tell just about anyone off/I don't get run over by people but I hate that creeped out feeling. I was just thinking about this the other day...about how difficult it has been since I quit smoking to lose weight..and how I don't even remember what it's like to have someone flirt with me and that's a GOOD THING because I hate that!!

However, if/when the time comes, I'll be ready for it with all the support here! You can count on us for the same thing!!!


pcosmom 04-22-2002 10:00 AM

well, guess what ladies? I finally got a hold of the book! Thats right! A friend as it turns out owns a copy, so i was able to review it and see if i was still following the right priciples...and, i was nearly on, I just need to adjust my intensity level up a bit when i lift... other than that? well, it seems like as long as i keep it up, i willl continue to see results. i started out with a high fat content, so even though i am smaller, i know i still have lots more fat to lose. the flabbiness is abating though, and i think that though i followed this for 12 weeks, i believe i can do better this next time especially since weeks 1-4 were a bit lower in protein and more along the lines of my starve yourself while being active self..the real results were apparent after week 5 or so when i began eating more to feed my body. so, i too agree that it is important to follow all aspects of the system, not just the weight and aerobics parts/

anyway, thanks for all your support this far, and wish me luck as i begin a second shot at this program, now i am armed with the info i need and can truly say i am staying on program (as long as i do what bill says....);)

MrsJim 04-22-2002 02:31 PM

Happy Anniversary to MEEEEE!
Yep, this week be my 1 year BFL anniversary! WHOOPEE!

I was going to have Jim take 1-year pix of me, but he was out for most of the day yesterday - went bike riding in Half Moon Bay on the beach, there's a wonderful bike path that runs right alongside the Pacific Ocean. He asked me to come along, but no, I had the stupid apt to clean that was filled with cat hair, so I said no thanks and started regretting it immediately after he left! Didn't get a chance to clean on Sat since we were in Rancho Murieta all day at the Arabian horse show.

Oh well, we're planning on going next week for sure! Hope this gorgeous weather hangs around til then.

Also I was SO BLOATED yesterday - well it was Free Day of course - plus I'm expecting a visit from Aunt Flo this week. Right now I'm drinking water hoping to get that bloatiness out of my system.

Meow - that's great that you were able to find a copy of the book! Keep us posted on how you do and DON'T forget to take pictures - if you don't take baseline (before) pix you'll regret it later...

Carly - I know EXACTLY how you feel. I've always had a tough time taking compliments from the opposite sex (except from Jim of course). I admit that I have been approached and/or asked out a few times over the course of the year. For some reason I find it really tough to say no, not that I want to go out with them but not wanting to hurt their feelings....yep, that's the fat girl syndrome coming out - wanting everyone to be happy happy happy! It's MUCH easier when Jim is around, then he can tell them 'she's taken' or 'that's MY old lady! :cool: '

Laura - congrats for 'retiring' the scale for awhile! You won't miss it, I promise. And YOUR free day is lightweight compared to some of mine. Just make sure you keep drinking your water on Free Day, else you'll get REALLY dehydrated and feel yukky.

Well, back to work! See y'all later!

lhendricks 04-22-2002 04:52 PM

starting W4 C2....
and loving it. I ended Free Day at 6 p.m. yesterday and drank three quarts of water and herbal tea before bed. BFL is the first WOE I ever tried where the concept of Free Day actually worked! Today I was right back on track.

I have the BFL travel kit packed for my trip to Tucson. I brought my exercise bands so that I can do the workout from ENERGY.

CONGRATULATIONS Mrs.Jim on your anniversary! You look great and you're an inspiration to us all. I seem to remember that Rob(b?) is a protege of Dave Greenwalt who keeps people on a diet that is heretical by most bodybuilding standards but I maybe wrong.

Everyone seems to be going strong.

MrsJim 04-22-2002 05:23 PM

Lisa - Actually Robb (who has had an AMAZING transformation - I can't wait to see his comp pix next month!) is training under Keith Klein rather than Greenwalt, who I don't know all that much about. All I know is Robb gets an AMAZING amount of sweet potatoes which I LOVE!! And I get an amazing amount of veggies which...well...I eat them...

susanje 04-23-2002 08:39 AM

Congratulatons MrsJim!!!

Not only are you inspirational with your results but you've been great company this past year!



Congratulations for being on track! I think that Free Day works because we get stuffed! Also, we know there is one next week. I bemoaned not having a burrito this past Sunday but I think I will find some way to have one this Sunday. I can wait a week!
Amazing! I ate clean yesterday (100 percent!) and it felt SO good.

Off to work,

thunderheart 04-23-2002 09:23 AM

Congratulations MrsJim!
Wow a whole year for you! Talk about changing your life - you truly are an inspiration. Sometimes BFL reminds me of that movie Pay It Forward. I don't know if any of you saw it but the ripple effects of BFL just keep passing on to the next desperate "tried every diet and failed" person who sees the light of BFL and in turn passes it on to the next. So cool!!!

Hey Carps! I know how you feel about comments from the opposite sex - not quite there myself to receive them. I still keep pretty covered up in my baggy clothes. Like MrsJim said still hangin on to my fat girl. I have been practicing with compliments from women though by saying "thanks - I've been working hard" - hoping this will become natural if I ever get one from the opposite sex (other than my husband).

Yes our final week!!! I leave on Thursday morning - so I will weigh in and take measurements/pictures before I go - but I fully intend on completing the week. I won't be back until Sunday and that will be after a free day celebration with an old university/roommate girlfriend so I don't want to take measurements and pictures after that! I will let you ladies know the results when I return. I am soooo prepared for this trip - I have left nothing to chance - I will complete this!

Hope you all have a great week!

MrsJim 04-23-2002 01:57 PM

Oh what a beeeyootiful morrrrning...
gonna be 83 degrees here!!! woo hoo! Just wish I didn't have to work today...oh well...

AND I have a luncheon that I must attend today! Well...I'm prepared...if there's nothing on the menu that's suitable for my comp diet, I'll just drink a bunch of water and iced tea and wait til I can get back to work and eat my own CLEAN food...

Thunderheart - 12 weeks already! Did it blow by or what? Now that you know what to do, your second challenge will be a breeze!

I notice that I've been getting tired earlier in the evening. On Sunday I was falling asleep in front of the TV around 7:30 p.m. and hit the hay around 8...last night I turned in at 8:45...Sparky just doesn't know what to make of it, because Jim stays up until about 10. Last night he curled up on my pillow next to my head and purrrred for awhile. He is becoming more and more affectionate...and is also becoming the Great Mosquito Hunter - I don't know HOW they get in, but he gets any that dare to venture in the house!

Woo! Gotta run...let's hear how you all are doing!

pcosmom 04-23-2002 05:13 PM

Good tuesday evening folks...i wanted to report my feelings after completing a TRUE by the book UBWO and i can definately tell teh difference between what i was doing and what i should have been doing! MAN! did i ever feel it in my triceps. it felt fantastic, but i was giggling at myself as i realized that i was more capable then i thought i was, well, what i mean is that i thought i was doing so much before and now it just seems like there was more capacity...i guess what i thought were 9s were really more like 7s. but, that said, i have a long way to go.

it looks like i have my dates for my trip to CA and NJ this summer, and it falls into about week 7 and 8 of this new challange...wow, i will be powered up for vacationing, but will definately need to plan ahead, dont want to get behind midway.

I have a question about a vegetable...i eat a lot of a punkin like squash called ayama and know that since pumpkin is allowable, i can eat ayama as a carb. but here is what i wondered, they sell a tuber "root" veggie here in venezuela called yucca. it is kinda like a potato crossed with a parsnip in terms of taste. i would guess it is about as starchy as a potato. Any thoughts on this veggie? it is cheaper than potatoes, and tastes a but yummier. just wondering...


Mel 04-23-2002 05:50 PM

Hi all
MrsJim Congratulations on 1 year of clean living and your transformation! That's quite an accomplishment and I know yu've come a long way in many ways.

Meow- I'd count the yucca as a potato. I had it in Colorado, and your right on in your taste description.

Thunder and Carps- WOW! you're almost thru W12! I had a really clean rest week, and felt even better at the end of that than I did at the end of W12. So don't PIG OUT and undo it all! But do have a few treat meals to celebrate.

Susanje- Free Day doesn't work for me at all. I didn't really take one until about W9 of c1, and I'm real sorry I ever started. I'd been eating pretty clean (no sugar, white flour, processed food) for 5 months prior to c1, and didn't want to undo that effort. Now, once I get started, I can't stop. Needless to say, C2 has not been a fat-burning success like I'd hoped. From now on, I'm going to try to go back to my old ways and stay fairly clean on free day. I know I need some sort of treat, but it may be an expensive plate of sushiand a glass of wine, rather than ice cream or the B word.

Lisa- we are at the same point. I didn't realize that. I thought, for some reason, that you were an ol' timer!.

OK- have a great arms workout today, supersetted everything between bi's and tri's, so it went by much quicker. For some reason, I was able to lift a lot heavier than usual. Got a complement from one of the pro's at the gym (and he really is a pro)that my legs and back are looking good. I was bent over a bench doing tri extensions, so he didn't get an eye-full of the invisible abs! :lol:


susanje 04-23-2002 10:22 PM


I hear you. I didn't do a free day for the first five or six weeks of this challenge, then I did a free day for the first time last Sunday. I probably won't do a free day this Sunday but I know that last year at this time (FINALS!) was the only time in my challenge that I was so stressed that I would just stop and get a hamburger without ANY thought of it at all. I am going to try to avoid that with CONSCIOUS eating. Meaning also that I take some snacky nourishment on Free Day.

I'm so stressed I pulled a muscle in my side. What I wouldn't GIVE for a Tuesday out of the courthouse to go work out and TODAY I was walking out the door and my side just gave way. It's been pulled all day. I had to drive my daughter to day care and come right back home. I iced it most of the day. I know that it is from stress but I also was on the bike on Sunday for the first time in months. I took a long drive to Berkeley and it probably hurt something. The stress makes me tense and there you have it.

I should be okay tomorrow. But today was a wasted day.


take care all.

MrsJim 04-24-2002 07:39 PM

Hi everyone!

My Aunt Flo is visiting :o if you know what I mean. Big time too - usually she only stays for a day or so but I think this month she'll be staying for a few days...probably why I've been feeling so draggy the past day or two.

Actually I just looked at the calendar...and I haven't taken time off from the gym since mid January! Maybe my body's telling me to give it a few days off...and I might do that next week for a couple of days, mostly because "Frontier House" will be showing on PBS (starting at 9:00 pm for crying out loud!) and I've been waiting a looong time for it to come on - being a Laura Ingalls Wilder fan (the books, NOT the TV show) since I was a kid. Should be interesting - check out the website http://www.pbs.org/wnet/frontierhouse/ for more info. There's actually a GREAT essay on the site titled "How do you preserve a hundred pounds of beef?" (link on the addy above) that you guys should find interesting - and it'll give you an idea why folks back then weren't obese even though they ate a LOT of fat.

It still puzzles me as to why they would show a 2 hour program that a lot of kids will probably want to watch so late...I was hoping they'd start it at 7:00 which is more my speed (and we don't have a VCR hooked up - and NOPE no Tivo either!).

*sigh* anyway...

Susan - hope you feel better. Lots of rest and ice for that muscle! (maybe a nice hot bath as well?)

Mel - I LOVE to do supersets!!! Not only does it get the job done quicker but you can REALLY feel the burn. I'm officially hooked!

Meow, I agree with Mel that ayama should be counted as a carb like pumpkin or winter squash from the sound of it. I couldn't find it on FitDay (which I can't get to work half the time anyway - I just use it to look up nutrients and actually I don't find it all that helpful as for some reason they left sugars out of the count).

It's Professional Administrative Assistants' day here - what the heck, it's Secretary's Day - and I received a LOVELY basket of flowers from my boss...and a box of GODIVA chocolates from HER boss (the #2 guy here). So guess what I'm doing on Free Day? :dizzy:

trixiepup 04-25-2002 08:51 PM

I read the BFL book, and I had a question...if you don't do the shake thing, how can you handle the protein at every meal if you are a vegetarian and can't handle that much soy?

There's nothing on their website, and they haven't emailed me back yet. I wanted to find that out before I started the program with my sister.


MrsJim 04-25-2002 09:56 PM

Hi Trixiepup!
Since I was a vegetarian for 8-9 years myself (quit being a veggie just prior to BFL) I think I can answer your questions...

Exactly what kind of vegetarian are you...

First off, if you're the type that doesn't eat red meat but does eat dairy, poultry and fish - no problem there - cottage cheese, eggwhites/egg beaters, chicken breasts, turkey breast, and just about every kind of fish is OK on BFL.

If you're lacto/ovo - then you can eat cottage cheese, eggwhites/egg beaters, and there are some meat substitutes out there that are really good - Boca Burgers are good - they make those granules you can use like ground beef as well as the patties. The "Garden Burger" is way too high in carbs to be considered a protein source. I was at the supermarket last year and tried something called "Veat" that was pretty tasty - high in protein, low in fat... I think their website is www.veat.com - check it out!

If you're a vegan...well, that's a toughie...

I would also suggest you visit the main message board at www.leanandstrong.com for suggestions - there are some vegetarian BFLers there that might be able to help you. Questions are answered pretty quickly there!

Keep in touch!

I'll post more later - time for me to eat!

MrsJim 04-25-2002 11:27 PM

I'm back!
Whew! It's been quiet here today. I know Susan's in court this week...hope you're reading right now - or get a chance to later! I KNOW there's no court on the weekends...so we'll hear from you for sure! :wave:

Today has actually been a super day. Been busy but felt 100% better than yesterday, no headache from my little visitor and I had a really good workout but best of all today I had the HUGE high carb day on my competition diet!!! Love it! Check out my breakfast (note to newbies - This is NOT in the BFL book - I'm on a competition diet right now - read the previous threads to find out more. I'm not planning to stay on it very long and will get back to BFL eating - looking forward to it actually!) from this morning: I had a cup of oatmeal (measured dry) that I nuked with 1 cup frozen blueberries, water, cinnamon and Splenda; plus 6 eggwhites; AND a Myoplex Lite...what a feast! I was so energetic today - more than usual, which I'm sure drove a few people around me nuts.

On the water displacement test - most folks at L&S seemed to think the first way I talked about (the one that came out as 1 cup) was better than the other way (which came to a bit over 1/2 cup). Hmm...

I'm going to get ready for bed now, but couldn't resist attaching this pic I took at the NorCal All-Arabian Horse Show last week of Jim and "Inspired", a gorgeous Arabian mare in Dee Dee's show string! Take care y'all!

MrsG 04-26-2002 10:56 AM

schedule/marathon training
Hi everyone!

I'm posting for the first time! You ladies are great inspiration!

I need some help composing a workout and eating schedule. My husband is in the broadcasting biz and works crazy hours, and gets home at 11:30 pm every night after the late news. I work a normal schedule, and have to get up at 7:30 am. As it is, we're only managing to get 7.5 hours of sleep in, if we're lucky, so working out in the morning isn't really a viable option.

I also train with a personal trainer two nights a week in the evenings.

What do you think about this for a meal and workout scheule?

8:00 am: Meal 1
10:30 am Meal 2
1:00 pm: Meal 3
4:00 pm: Meal 4
6:00-7:00 work out
8:30 Meal 5
10:30 Meal 6

My other question is a bit baffling. I'm a marathon runner, and I don't know how I can fit in my long, slow runs into the BFL program, which emphasizes the intense 20 minute cardo. When I'm in the middle of training for a marathon, I'm sometimes doing 4 hour training runs!

Any thoughts or other marathon runners out there?

Thank you!

semmens 04-26-2002 11:23 AM

Welcome, MrsG!
I'm afraid I'm not much help with the marathon question, since I totally detest running in any form ;) I'm a Precor elliptical girl myself, and finally noticed the Stepmill in the cardio room so I may give that a shot tomorrow if it isn't taken.

MrsJim mentioned the website www.leanandstrong.com in reference to a vegetarian situation; this might also be a good place for your question.

I'm fairly new, but I don't see a problem with your meal/workout schedule if that's how it can work for you. You might get different opinions on eating a bit sooner after your workout on weightlifting days.


MrsJim 04-26-2002 12:09 PM

Hey there MrsG!
I would DEFINITELY recommend checking out Lean & Strong.

In fact they have a special runner's board there called "And Miles to Go Before I Sleep" (MTBGIS) . You might want to post at L&S' main message board and they'll give you the link to the team board - bet you'll get TONS of support!

I don't see a prob with your schedule either. I'm a morning workout person, but the important thing is to eat clean and get that workout IN, wherever you can.

MrsG 04-26-2002 01:29 PM

Thanks for the info! :D

MrsG 04-26-2002 04:12 PM

superficial question
As summer approaches, it occurs to me that this might not be a bad place to ask this question!

I have extremely fair skin, and most sunless tanners look silly on me. I notice that in all of the "after" pictures, everyone is TANNER!

Is there a brand that bodybuilders rely on or recommend?

MrsJim 04-26-2002 06:34 PM

The secret is that when you lift weights your skin gets a shade darker...JUST KIDDING!!! :dizzy:

There are DOZENS of different self-tanners out there. Since everyone has different skin types, people have different reactions to different products.

Personally I use Banana Boat Self-Tanning Creme because it works (for me), it's cheap, and it's easy to find.

A GREAT website to check out for info is www.sunless.com. Reviews and how-to-apply tips abound there!

Take care!

carps 04-27-2002 05:44 AM

Official challenge 1 results
well, week 12 has finished and its hard to believe. I haven't got photo's yet, and I'm not even sure if I will post them but I have lost 18pounds and here are the meaurement changes:

Chest: 4cm (1.5inch)
Bicep: 2.5cm (1 inch)
Waist: 2.5cm (1 inch)
Hips: 9cm (3.5inch)
Thigh: 6.5cm (2.5inch) LOWER THIGH
Thigh: 4cm (1.5 inch) UPPER THIGH
Calf: 1.5cm (.5inch)

I have always carried weight on my tummy and only just recently on my legs, which is why it comes off fast on my thighs.

My confession is that I have been off programme for the past two weeks, so my results are reflecting that unfortunately.

We are still taking this week 'off' and will start challenge two next monday. I believe I have only given a 70% effort to the food, and a 90% effort to working out. One of my goals for the next one is to never miss a workout and wait till free day for those treats!!!!

I'm a bit tired tonight, so can't string my thoughts together although i have heaps to say, so I'll save it for tomorrow.

Thanks to all you for being with me through the last three months.
I couldn't have stayed focused without my daily 3FC dose.

pcosmom 04-27-2002 01:25 PM

I am so proud of you carps that you finished week 12, even if your attention to the program wasn't perfect, you can pride yourself in that you did not give up. I too finished 12 weeks, but did not know all the details of BFL so my results weren't as i had hoped either. I started again this week, with the book in hand, and with the commitment that each day i will wake up stonger, and more alive physically of course due to my determination to eat clean and remain on track with the workouts. my downfall is that i have to really push it to get in enough protein. i have finally found a solution and that is to eat egg whites and fish nearly everyday. So anyway, i say hats off to you for finishing, and a great good luck wish for your next challange. one of the things i am realizing from reading Muscle Media is that we are winners even if we don't get all the way "there" in just 12 weeks. FOr me it will likely take this second one to get me REALLY happy, and a third to complete the transformation. and of course, i also recognize that this is a change for life, and not just for the next few months...

Internet has been sketchy here still, but even without checking in I can say i feel inspired. this is the first month in ages that even with my little visiter, i didn't feel as bloated as a blow fish...i chalk it up to less sugar, lots of water and my BFL exersize! Thanks Bill!
PS. Anyone have a suggestion for dealing with a cat who likes to gnaw on ankles? my cat, mrkitty is going haywire...he is treating my toes like those rawhide treats you give dogs..

MrsJim 04-28-2002 11:21 AM

Happy Sunday Morning!
Today is so beautiful out - hope it stays that way. Unfortunately the forecast calls for chance of showers - doesn't look like it right now! I want to get out on my bike with Jim this afternoon!

Meow - has your kitty been freaking out this week? Sparky has been a MANIAC lately. I think it's the full moon. He's been thumping through the house like Cowboys and Indians, and MEEOOOOWING. Just now he let out this loud meeeeeooow. And Jim's still asleep - he had a major gig last night (at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco) and didn't get home until around 2:30 am this morning. It was a corporate gig - the band was contracted to clear $1600 for the three hours that they played which sounds great - plus they had a complimentary room at the Fairmont, so Jim could've stayed the night but he feels more comfortable at home with me :)

Carly - it sounds like you've done really great for your first challenge!!! Now, you don't have to post those pix if you don't wanna. But keep them for your own reference. As you get close to where you wanna be, I know you WILL want to show off your hard work a bit :lol: and post them on L&S's Transformation Gallery. I hear ya on the nutrition and staying clean. That is a REAL STRUGGLE for me - always has been, especially when I'm tired and stressed out - like I was on Thursday and Friday. Last night I went to bed at 9:45 (on Saturday night) and woke up this morning around 6:30. After reading so much about how important it is to get 8 good hours of sleep each night, I am going to do my best to get in bed before 9 pm on the weekdays when I work out - since I wake up at 4 am most days that's only 7 hours but I just can't see myself going to bed when it's still light out!

I gotta say that SWEET POTATOES are now officially my favorite carb - along with oatmeal. After hearing y'all here and at L&S talk about steel cut oats, I broke down yesterday and bought some McCanns' to try out. Here in the States we have two kinds of sweet potatoes - jewel yams and garnet yams. I've been buying the jewels all along, mostly because that's what my mom always gets. But yesterday, I bought garnets and I gotta say that I like them MUCH BETTER than the jewels - they have a smoother, moister texture to them.

Sparky's being quiet now. I left the front door open (with the screen door closed) and I believe our two resident squirrels are visiting the bird feeder (which is stocked with sunflower seed). Plus some doves just flew in. So that'll keep Mr. Sparky occupied and quiet for a while and Jim can catch some shuteye!

Susanje - I know you're probably superbusy but I hope you're still reading our thread when you have a few minutes to spare!

My riding lesson yesterday was one of the best yet. I feel now that I'm FINALLY really starting to get the hang of this - being able to signal to the horse without really thinking about it, and not having my trainer have to tell me to take up rein or change the diagonal (if you've ridden before you know what those terms mean). Anybody here who has never tried really riding before - I highly recommend taking lessons. There is really nothing like the feeling of cantering - it was terrifying for me at first but now I love it! I just wish Jim would take lessons too...maybe one day perhaps when we have a little extra money. I know that the bodybuilding is making me a better rider. The "2-point" position (lifting your butt off the saddle - in preparation for jumping) is quite similar to doing a back squat - I can feel the quads and hams come into play. And all the calf work I've been doing is assisting in keeping my heels down (hard at first but getting much easier by the week) and signaling to the horse.

Whew! Anyway...time to check out the goings-on at the L&S main board - catch ya guys later!

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