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Palestrina 05-06-2014 09:53 AM

Yes! Perfection is associated with results-driven process. I prefer to focus on the process - that's why I like IE so much. We're both attempting to eat less carbs! You do so by restricting carbs I do it by unrestricting carbs and allowing my body to naturally decline them. It's actually working, I'm eating fewer carbs now than I ever did on a diet simply because my body isn't screaming for them rebelliously.

I think people dismiss moderation too easily, it's achievable and it's really the only way to maintain total sanity for me.

Our perception of what is perfect might also be different, everyone is different. And I have had to release the notion that eating a cookie does not have anything to do with whether or not I'm perfect lol.

StephMar 05-06-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Snark (Post 4998371)
Incremental improvement, that's the ticket!

Desiring (and believing in) "perfection" is how we trick ourselves into saying things like, "Oh no, I already ate these 3 cookies when I wasn't supposed to eat any cookies today, so my day is TOTALLY RUINED, oh gee I SUCK SO BAD, I might as well eat every single thing in the house (plus order a pizza) now and restart my diet tomorrow."

That was my mantra for so very long. It was the hardest thing to do, let myself make a mistake and not have it be a catastrophe. Much better about it now.

pixelllate 05-06-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by berryblondeboys (Post 4998915)
But what does this idea of perfection do to our mind if we don't get there? Or if we find the struggle too intense? Some of us can get there and do get there and that is fantastic, but should we frown on anyone or ourselves if we get close, but not quite there? When will we say, "I'm not perfect looking, but I'm still great?"

I also think it's different for those who are morbidly obese and for those who have just gained a little weight. The behaviors you have to change are pretty drastically different. If you are carrying an extra 20 pounds only, you don't have to change many of your behaviors, or if you do, not changing them to the same extreme as someone who needs to lose, say 100 pounds.

And more, if you let yoursel get to 100 pounds overweight and lived like that for decades, why all of a sudden do you need to be not overweight at all? Why one extreme to the other? Now... Don't get me wrong, I would love to be at my ideal weight too, but I also know being at 230 is better that at 275. Every improvement is important and every successful lifestyle change should be celebrated - not looked at as, well, I still need to do x, x, x, and x.

I think part of it is our fantasy is believing that everything will be perfect if our weight is perfect. We will be more sexually attractive. We will look sexy. We will feel good about ourselves. We won't get depressed because it's being fat we think that causes depression, etc. We fantasize about the clothes we will wear and that bikini.

Losing weight will not solve our problems. You need to solve your problems outside of weight loss. Sure, you'll be more attractive. But that won't change who you are or get rid of your demons. It won't make you a happy person or ward off depression. And there are no guarantees about feeling good in that bikini either! We probably won't turn into a spur model overrnight.

Yes, this is why I think that context matters. For those who were never 100 lbs overweight, nor have they had kids or even pets (I fall under this category) - the "extreme" goals might not, for that individual, be all that extreme at all. As far as how we react to that struggle for any goal that we may define as extreme, I think its hard to say what it will do to each of our minds.

I used to try to do the "right" thing - be moderate, assume I'll explode unless I do things at a slow pace, etc...but its never made me feel as an individual any happier. If anything, when I really look into myself, I don't look down on anyone for whatever their goals may be, never have and I like extremism. I'm more chill being extreme than I am following the moderate protocol. Its hard to admit this because then there might be the assumption that I am in denial, or that overtime, I will come to realize differently, but its really been reverse for me.

I've read over and over again about how our struggles for perfection will ultimately cause some sort of urge to explode or binge or some sort of episode. I never had that - if anything, if I can recall, I've felt that restlessness when I was caught up with pleasing others and their ideas of what I should do. When I follow my idea of what I ultimately want, which is to look like a shorter version of a VS model (amongst other things), I don't feel that way. I just don't want to overassume how I'll react to pushing myself to whatever degree of goal - maybe I won't panic as much as much as presumed.

lin43 05-06-2014 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by berryblondeboys (Post 4998915)
. . . but I also know being at 230 is better that at 275. Every improvement is important and every successful lifestyle change should be celebrated - not looked at as, well, I still need to do x, x, x, and x.

I agree completely and believe if more people thought this way, the obesity in American would not be as epic as it currently is. My husband was recently speaking with a friend who is and always has been a big guy. This man told my husband that his doctor told him he needs to lose 65 lbs (the man, not my husband who has always been thin). My husband nonchalantly said, "It ain't gonna happen. Strive to lose 20 and be happy with that. You're a big guy and you'll always be a big guy. You'll just struggle to lose that 65 and regain it anyway." Now I know many of you will say that he was presumptuous and discouraging to say what he did (and, yes, he is sometimes presumptuous), but everyone who knows him knows that he speaks bluntly and in this case, I think there is some truth to what he told his friend. His friend has yo-yo'd in the passed, and it seems unrealistic at his age (65) to keep striving for what appears to be an unrealistic goal.

pixelllate 05-06-2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lin43 (Post 4999162)
I agree completely and believe if more people thought this way, the obesity in American would not be as epic as it currently is. My husband was recently speaking with a friend who is and always has been a big guy. This man told my husband that his doctor told him he needs to lose 65 lbs (the man, not my husband who has always been thin). My husband nonchalantly said, "It ain't gonna happen. Strive to lose 20 and be happy with that. You're a big guy and you'll always be a big guy. You'll just struggle to lose that 65 and regain it anyway." Now I know many of you will say that he was presumptuous and discouraging to say what he did (and, yes, he is sometimes presumptuous), but everyone who knows him knows that he speaks bluntly and in this case, I think there is some truth to what he told his friend. His friend has yo-yo'd in the passed, and it seems unrealistic at his age (65) to keep striving for what appears to be an unrealistic goal.

Perhaps a good response to that "you'll always be big" comment would be "OK yes sure, then 20 lbs lost is fine. 65 is great. both results - big or small or something in between are possible. I'll take either over none lost!" I think its good to aim for whatever degree of goal that we wish, but not let it be to the degree that we turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy and subconsciously limit ourselves. At least, with me, that can happen, so thinking this way for me anyways is helpful.

VioletDolphin83 05-06-2014 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IanG (Post 4998335)
I agree. We each have our own sweet spots. I am close to finding mine. I am more than 100% perfect in some areas and far less than that in others. But it works for me.

This is what I do. I'm on a journey to find my sweet spot and I've still got a way to go.

GlamourGirl827 05-06-2014 08:19 PM

I have so much to say, but I'm just going to post that letting go of perfection was the first step towards ending my issues with starving and binging.

CanadianMomma 05-07-2014 01:28 AM

It wasn't until I abandoned a perfectionist stance I embraced the concept of improvement- any improvement- as a goal that I was able to make any lifestyle changes.

Mad Donnelly 05-07-2014 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by IanG (Post 4998335)
I agree. We each have our own sweet spots. I am close to finding mine. I am more than 100% perfect in some areas and far less than that in others. But it works for me.

Same here, Ian. And I don't beat myself up about the less than 100% either. It's do what you can do today and make tomorrow better, so on and so forth. It's not all or nothing.

Now, regarding certain specific exercise, my philosophy is a little different. I run and however much I run is fine. It's not 5 miles or nothing. I just need to move. But in weightlifting it is sort of all or nothing because I'd rather not spend the time doing it at all if I'm doing it wrong (which is why I now have a trainer) and not reaping the benefits anyway and/or hurting myself.

Mad Donnelly 05-07-2014 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Novus (Post 4998564)
I am very much a "do it perfect or don't do it at all" kind of person (which more often than not leads to not doing it which means a lot of people don't identify me as a perfectionist). Fear of failure paralyzes me.

I've had to work very hard to retrain my brain about this in regards to weight loss because the journey to health is definitely about baby steps and stumbling. This has also been a lesson in self-care/self-love......being able to tell myself, "It wasn't perfect but you tried and that counts a whole lot."

Oh, boy, is this me. We have so much to work against than just how we eat. I struggle with fighting my natural instincts every day but it's how we grow.

Mad Donnelly 05-07-2014 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by circa83 (Post 4998678)
I agree with what you're saying, but I also think of some things as aiming high instead of settling for less. Initially I thought that having a goal of 150 or 160 would be more reasonable, but at those weights I'd still be overweight and kinda thick. My goal is to not be overweight anymore. If I want to achieve that I have to aim for it and not settle for thick just because it's thinner than obese. I might change my mind once I'm there though. I might look at myself in the mirror and think, "I look pretty good at this weight," in which case I might then settle for it. When I had lost in the past but was still obese my family would tell me how thin I looked and that I was a "good weight". I wasn't by any standards, I was just thinner than before. It annoyed me because I felt they were telling me to settle when I wanted to achieve more.

As for the perfect habits part of it, I don't even think I could stick to them if I tried. For me it's pretty much lots of water, less carbs, and more vague goals like that. When I mess up I don't beat myself up too bad, just try to learn from the experience and do better.

I'm not snipping this because I love all of this post, circa83!


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