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What am I doing wrong?
Hello, im new to the site. I've been lurking and reading for a bit, but now i've decided to post.
I've been counting calories and excersing since Sept. 12th. Admittedly, I only do about 20 minute cardio sessions 4-5 times a week. Sometimes 3 days if i'm really pooped from work. My job consists of ALOT of walking and bending. In addition to the 15 minutes i work to work and then again back. I tried changing little by little. You know, parking further away, not catching the bus to work, etc. I still eat out once a week, my daughter and I have a tradition we go out every Saturday. Just now I try to be more mindful and really do pay attention to the calories listed. But on to why im posting. I had been consistently losing weight. By oct. 12th, I had lost a total of 10 lbs. Then the next week, I found I had only lost 1 more pound. Then the next week (my period was on). I GAINED the pound back. Then this week, I found I am still the same weight as last week. About a half a pound lighter, but that's it. So for the last three weeks I've pretty much seen no weight lost. Its very discouraging. I've been trying to stay true to my excersing, even if it is only 20 minutes a day. I watch what I eat. I try to stay strictly at 1500 calories a day. Last week, I did add my fruit to my diet. There's a fruit cart near my job, so every morning last week I would go get a medium sized fruit salad and add the fruit to my meals for the day. So instead of just my oatmeal and water, I'd have that and a couple pieces of fruit. Same with my turkey/wheat sandwhich for lunch, i'd add fruit. Then for a snack before quitting time i'd eat a non-fat yogurt and the rest of the fruit. Is it the fruit that's causing the issue? Any and all advice is greatly appreciated. I'm so frustrated. I just really don't want to be fat any more :-( I'm still going to continue to excercise and diet, but I just need to know what I should be changing. |
When you say "I try" to stay at 1500 cal/day, does that mean that you DO? Like how often do you try and not succeed? Once a week, twice a week? I know that for me, one day of overeating will wipe out all my hard work for the week.
My advice would be, Instead of "trying" to stay at 1500 cal/day, you DO stay at 1500/day. Also, if your fruit is counted in your daily total of 1500 cal/day, it shouldn't effect your weight loss in anyway. If anything it should make you more "regular" unless you are eating loads of banana's. They tend to make me less "regular". ;) |
it's very normal to stall after alot of loss. periods are notorious for water weight. one girl on here gains 8 lbs each month.
sounds like you're making great lifestyle changes. you're doing great! all those fruits/veggies are great for your body, mind, skin. maybe you could try resistance training. if your muscles get really worked there could be some water retension temporarily, but muscle speeds up the metabolism! so even when you're sleeping you're burning more cals. |
Try as in most of the time, it's very rare I'd go over. I do go up to 1700 sometimes. My biggest flaw is that I read too much. I read that if I do strictly 1500 all the time, my body will adjust and it will no longer be effective toward my weight lost, so I have to change the calorie intake once in a while. And no, I didn't count the fruit in my diet. I ate alot of mangoes and strawberries and read that these fruits tend to have negative calorie ratios, since it takes more calories to digest them than the amount they have in them.
I completely cut out sweets, fried foods, I only eat lean meats (mostly chicken, fish, turkey). its frustrating because I eat less fatting food now than when I wasn't dieting. I was eating out 2 times a week, not exercising at home. I just figured, there's be a more drastic change. |
Not sure about what's ideal calorie wise for you. Everyone is different. But I would say that if you're having a tough time maintaining your calorie goal, to adjust the order in how you eat. For example, make breakfast somewhat hearty but if you're not a breakfast eater, for sure make lunch your primary meal of the day. Heavy dinners are not healthy for you. They sit in your gut and your body is less active as the day winds down. So eating out for dinner, I'm assuming this meal is much heavier than what you'd normally consume for lunch. Make lunch your significant meal of the day. Then you have noon until whenever it is before you eat dinner to metabolize what you ate. And my personal opinion, if I'm going to cut out anything, it's not going to be the fruits and vegetables. It'll be the other stuff. Also, if you're stressing over minor fluctuations such as a pound or so, don't add extra sodium to whatever you're eating because most food already is salted, whether naturally or not. I have found that when I eat veggie patties, I gotta be real careful because they're FULL of sodium and can keep me retaining water (1-2lbs) for several days..
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Toss the scale. ;) Or at least toss your relationship with the scale. It does NOT define your success. It's a tool and that's it. It does not accurately measure what you have actually done. It took me a long, long time to come to peace with this fact.
I actually started weighing daily instead of weekly so that I could see the fluctuations. They're normal. Up a pound, down a pound, stuck at the same number. It's all part of the game. They say a good average is 1-2 pounds a week, but I prefer to say 4-8 pounds a month. It's the same thing...but I don't lose every week...at all. That said, I'm with Lori on this one. Make sure you are not "trying" but "doing". |
In my experience (as a dieter, not a professional), it is a normal, if frustating, pattern to lose some ~ and 10lbs is quite a big some ~ then the body pauses for a bit to regroup, and then sets off again. It does set off, believe me! The best thing you can do is to carry on doing exactly what you have been. That lost you 10lbs, it will continue to lose you weight; but expect fits and starts.
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Originally Posted by ksmommy: |
Counting means counting everything, so if calorie counting is your plan, it's best to do that.
There are lots of online trackers and such that can help you with this, but you do have to get in the habit of weighing/measuring food and watching sizes that way. For example, an apple has around 80 calories, depending on size. 1/4 of a medium cantaloupe or other melon is about 50 calories. 10 grapes have 40 calories. As you can see, those do add up. So don't go by folklore about fruits that burn calories to eat. That's all just calculation. Good luck! Jay |
I wonder if your cals are too low at 1500 and your body is hanging onto the weight? I agree with the PP that said toss out the scale. I get obsessive about the scale myself, but its a matter of how you FEEL.
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Originally Posted by LoveRyGuy: |
Thank you all for your awesome input. My pants/shirts feel way better. I went clothes shopping last week and was down a size. So that's a plus. I just dont want to lose motivation, if I continue to see this trend of no weight change. To whomever mentioned dinner being my heaviest, it is. I will see how I can change it. I dont really want to each a heavy lunch because I have to do so much moving around at work. I dont want to get too "full" and be sluggish. Any recommendations for boosting energy? I take a multivitamin in the morning and I drink LOADS of water. I go through about two cases a week.
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Originally Posted by ksmommy: |
Depending on the size of your salad it could have 300+ calories.
I thought I was doing a good thing eating a snack sized baggie of grapes to start my workday...I "guesstimated" (never guesstimate LOL) it at about 50 calories. WRONG! One day I measured and it was a little over 2 cups....thats not a whole lot really...but its 200 calories. 2 cups of most vegetables is minimal calories....but fruit must be counted. And I do love fruit. |
Ummm...offhand, a serving of fruit (1/2 cup-ish) is around 100 calories. So, if you added 2 pieces of fruit to your 1500 cals/day, then you added approx. 200 cals==1700 cals and didn't increase exercise. That is not an exact measure of your calories, of course, but it illustrates the point. Water and air have zero calories and you can partake freely. Everything else...well, you know the drill.
I struggle too, we all do. BUT...if I stay exactly on plan, keep exercising and doing what I am supposed to, then I lose the weight. If not, then I don't. And it's my own dang fault and don't I know it! Fruit is good for you. Just not in addition to 1500 calories already. You have to, must, absolutley MUST count it. And not just guess. Then if you are stalling, you will know for sure that your calories eaten are the same and how much and you can look for other reason. Good luck..and to me as well! Barb |
I would venture that 200 cals for the fruit bowl is an UNDERestimate!! I wouldnt be suprised if it was closer to 400 or more! Remember the OP bought this off a vendor...
Also, if the OP isnt counting Fruit as part of her 1500 cals/day, than what ELSE isnt she counting? Also if she isnt weighing all of her food on a scale, that you know there is a decent margin of error there as well..... couple those caloric errors with the foods she wasnt even counting, i would not be at all suprised is she is eating at maintenance, unknowingly. 2000+ a day would not suprise me. This is not a jab at the OP. This is merely pointing out how incredibly easy it is to underestimate calories, and how, even with the best of intentions we cn sabatoge our efforts |
I agree- no way mango is a negative calorie fruit- 1 mango is over 200 calories. 1 cup of mango is like 110 calories. I LOVE mango but it's full of carbs and sugar so I rarely eat it now.
Instead of loading up on fruits add more veggies. I eat a lot less fruit than I used to because it hindered my weight loss- my biggest "fruit" consumption is tomato. I would add protein to my oatmeal if you must have oatmeal (maybe add some peanut butter in it?) and then for lunch I'd turn sandwiches into salads or soups with lots of protein, go easy on things like cheese cuz they can make the calories increase quickly. Also I don't eat croutons in my salad anymore. My daily menu: Breakfast: 1 wheat bagel, 1 laughing cow wedge, 1 poached egg (270 calories- this is my largest carb meal usually. Lunch: 1 cup Split pea soup with ham, cucumber/tomato/onion salad (275 calories) Snack 1: 1 serving deli bites (90 calories) Dinner: South Beach Diet Meatloaf (has ground zucchini in it) and some baked beans (for a treat) (510 calories) Snack 2: 1 cup cauliflower, 2 TBSP ranch (165 calories- yeah I use full fat ranch) That's 1330 calories, 142 grams of carbs (high for me) 57 grams fat, 70 grams protein :) A lot of my carbs today are coming from my beans/peas. |
I disagree that a serving of fruit, fresh fruit, not canned, on top of 1500 calories will hinder weight loss.
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Originally Posted by onherweighdown: Fruit is not calorie free and it can hinder weight loss. It's nothing to do with the sugar or GI or whatever scares people away from fruit - it's simple calories not being counted by her. |
I dont't count fruit either. I eat maybe 3 pieces of fruit a day. not loads and loads. from someone who is used to eating many fast food meals a week and snacks of chips and cookies, fruit is leaps and bounds better than that.
I maintain that moderate amounts of fresh fruits with exercise does not hinder weight loss. |
Yea I've been packing in the fruit every day. Medium salad from the fruit stand is pretty big *hangs head in shame* I haven't been counting them at all! Definitely way more than a 1/2 cup serving. I was so proud of myself for eating so much fruit. I just will need to balance out something else to accommodate the fruit or cut back on how much I eat of it daily.
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Originally Posted by onherweighdown: I forgot my lunch today so I bought 2 lbs of grapes at the grocery store. I ate the whole two pounds throughout the day. That's over 600 calories, and it wasn't even that tough. If I didn't count those 600 calories, I'd be way overeating. |
Originally Posted by mkroyer: |
Thank you all for your input. I think I will keep on my current eating habits----minus the entire medium fruit salad munching all day at work and just go back to what I was doing in the beginning of my diet, since that seemed to work best for me. The oatmeal is good for me because it fills me up. Causing me not to munch and crave candies and other junk food. Sugar content or not, as stated above, calories in/out is most important. I'm trying to maintain lifestyle changes to better me, so it doesn't FEEL like im dieting, so that way when I reach my goal, I wont "relapse" and gain it back. I don't want to crash diet and lose weight. I don't want to deprive myself either and end up breaking my diet because I get to the point where I HAVE to have something I've been keeping myself away from. Or I feel like I'm eating tasteless cuisines all for the sake of losing weight. I definitely value each and every opinion, and you guys have given me a lot to take into account. Thank you so much! The journey of losing weight, is alot easier when I have someone to discuss it with. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by onherweighdown: An OP just refers to the original poster (or original post). |
Yeah, I agree about counting the fruit, it all has to be counted so you have the most accurate number of what is going in and out. I myself love fruit, i could plow through a carton of strawberries no problem! Don't get me wrong, fresh fruit is loads better than some other stuff I used to consume, and it's really fantastic for maintaining my weight.
But, I have noticed that too much sugar, even from natural sources, can stall weight loss. When I first started out I was just focusing on eating whole foods and counting calories, starting at 2000, and I lost about 10lbs pretty quickly too. It was when I noticed a consistent stall on the scale that I switched it up to low-carb, high-protein, low-calorie and I haven't really hit this kind of snag since. Now I know that if I follow that, it will come off. Not really sure why it matters, but I know that I can eat more calories on low-carb/high-protein than I can on high-carb and still lose weight. Even if I restrict cals quite a bit, if I am eating high-carb the weight loss slows to a crawl. This is where the fruit might not be helping in this instance, too much sugar perhaps? Try reducing sugar and carbs and amping the protein up for a few days and see if it doesn't get you moving in the right direction again. Most people don't even realize how many carbs they eat per day, and it can cause frustration, in my experience. I stick with fibrous, low-sugar (minimal) carbs and protein when I am losing weight, and it consistently works for me. Oh and also, OP means 'original poster', as in, you are the one that started the thread. At least I think I have that right... |
Originally Posted by onherweighdown: Originally Posted by onherweighdown: Originally Posted by ksmommy: As far as eating tasteless cuisine - that too was very important to me. I was/am not willing to eat horrible, boring, bland foods. That's why it's essential for me to have found delicious, incredibly tasty - yet healthy - lower calorie foods. I figure if the on plan food that I'm eating is yummy, then there's no reason to go off plan. I think those fruit salads were definitely doing you in. Everything counts and everything matters. Your body keeps an accurate journal regardless of what you write down. Be open. Find out what works for you and what doesn't. Keep on tweaking and tweaking as need be. You will see that your food choices will evolve as you go along. This journey is a process. You will learn a lot!! It's a wonderful time of growth and self discovery as well. :smug: |
One other thing about fruit--it's not all created equal. Melons and berries, for example, are surprisingly low calorie--a pound of strawberries has only 145 calories and a pound of honeydew is only a little more, whereas a pound of grapes has more like 300, and a pound of bananas has 400!
Fruit is a great thing to have in a diet, but go to the grocery store and pick whole fruits that you both like and that are lower in calories. |
I don't know what member said this, but I really disagree that one should have to take out a meat, bread, or whatever else just to be able to have a bit of fruit. The OP didn't say she was eating gobs and gobs of fruit.not counting fruit has worked for me--otherwise, I would be hungry much of the time. If I've already eaten my alloted 1400 or 1500 calories for the day, and I still find myself wanting something to eat, I don't think I should have to white knuckle it the rest of the evening because having a peice of fruit or two would do me in.
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onherweighdown-
The title of the post is "what am I doing wrong"? The OP wanted honest input as to what could be stalling her weight loss. Since she herself admitted that her weight loss didn't stall until she started adding the fruit, that would seem the most likely thing to cut out for a week or two and see if the weight starts moving back down again. If she cuts out the fruit, and her weight still remains the same, then, by process of elimination, she should look at other items. IMHO |
Originally Posted by onherweighdown: Look, I'll be frank. I'm here in the weight loss section because I had a baby 16 weeks ago and obviously gained some weight from that. I have maintained for 6 years. Calories in, calories out - it doesn't matter if you do WW, calorie counting, Atkins, or even "no diet" - if you eat more calories than you need to maintain or burn, you will not lose weight - that's it. You will not find one person on this site who is a maintainer or who has successfully lost their weight who ate more calories than their body needed to maintain or lose. None. She wanted to know what was going wrong and she has made it clear that she did not realize that she was consuming over her calorie allowance in fruit. She has found the solution to her question, and it is simply that she is eating too many calories. Whether it be fruit, broccoli, a chocolate bar, it does not mater - a calorie is an energy unit no matter what colour or taste it has. With all due respect, you are over 50lbs heavier than the OP and just because you can lose without counting fruit, does not mean she can. The smaller you get, the tighter you need to keep your diet. |
I agree--
I was disputing the assertion that one should have to cut out something like meat or whatever just to get in a banana. Obviously, overeating on fruit will not lead to weight loss. I'm sorry if I was unclear. I responded the way I did because people were chastising her for not counting fruit like it should *never* be done, which I have found, does not have to be true. |
Originally Posted by onherweighdown: Originally Posted by onherweighdown: Obviously the higher the nutritional value of those calories the much better off one will be. Empty calories, calories with little or no nutrition is not going to keep you full, it's going to bring on cravings for more empty calorie foods, so you want as little or none of those as possible. We need to be FULL and satiated from those calories, so where they come from matters a lot. You mentioned that you haven't counted fruit calories, according to your stats, it looks as if you are fairly early in on your journey, that coupled with the fact that you are somewhat heavier than the OP, so for now, you may still get a calorie deficit while not counting your fruit. But I am afraid at some point, and some point soon, that's not going to work out so well and you may be frustrated with either slow losses, no losses or a gain. But it's nothing to fear. You'll do a little tweaking, a little shifting of calories and you'll be on your losing ways again. I firmly believe that one should always count their fruit (and veggies for that matter) calories, even from the start. I hold that if you are counting your calories, you should count ALL of them. It keeps you aware, forces you to make better choices, keeps you brutally honest, teaches you about portion control and budgeting, calorie values, what's worth it, what's not, avoids the *free* food mindset, etc and it helps to avoid situations where one is working very hard, with little or no results, or a gain, gets frustrated and throws their hands up. |
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i had the same challenge when i started, i stopped losing weight for some weeks. What i did was to check to be sure i was eating healthy, continued eating healthy, added exercises to my diet and i started losing weight again.
The main thing for me is not to be discouraged. |
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