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Okay so I did not get to read everything but noticed mande and I just wanted to share this link with you hun! I have not read it for myself and I know it is someones opinion etc but just want you to know all your facts first! :hug:

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Jasmine- Awesome 2lbs!!! Do you think we could have a link for us to put low cal recipes on? Just an idea.

Yes feel free to start any new threads in this forum you want! Titl;e them Healthy Challenge Chick Recipes. If they get mad at us for cluttering the forum or something I have my own board as well we could put stuff at. ;) All are welcome to sign up anyways, link is under the jasmine cut.

Good Sunday afternoon everyone! sorry I've not been around, I'm in full on study mode. Finals week is next week and there are a few I want to do really well on to ensure my As so i've been study study study! So I will be pretty inactive till friday. Just know I'm thinking of you all though, and wishing you tons of be strong thoughts!!

hey Mel good luck with finals

Jasmine: Thanks a bunch for the link :) I've heard that soybean can lead to a number of health issues if it's not fermented, just like the website suggests. However, I don't consume it on a daily basis, and I try to get fermented soy, and do not eat tofu (which is not as good as people think it is). Mostly soy is used as a way to ween me off the dairy.

In all honesty, unless you're feeding yourself off your own home grown garden, slaughtering your own live stock, laying your own eggs, and milking your own cow, there isn't a way to get away from everything.
Sad, but true. Even our "organic" vegetables are sprayed with herbacides, have chemicals added, growth hormones, the works. Preservatives are a killer, and are found in almost everything. I still hold strong and true to the belief of moderation. And in all honesty, if we ate like we did 60-80 years ago, we'd all be better off for it! That is what I'm trying to get myself back to. If I didn't live in such a cold place, I'd have a year 'round garden! But with only 3-4 months of garden friendly weather a year, I just can't grow enough to sustain myself (although I still like to grow my own tomatoes and herbs :)).

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In all honesty, unless you're feeding yourself off your own home grown garden, slaughtering your own live stock, laying your own eggs, and milking your own cow, there isn't a way to get away from everything.
Sad, but true. Even our "organic" vegetables are sprayed with herbacides, have chemicals added, growth hormones, the works. Preservatives are a killer, and are found in almost everything. I still hold strong and true to the belief of moderation. And in all honesty, if we ate like we did 60-80 years ago, we'd all be better off for it! That is what I'm trying to get myself back to. If I didn't live in such a cold place, I'd have a year 'round garden! But with only 3-4 months of garden friendly weather a year, I just can't grow enough to sustain myself (although I still like to grow my own tomatoes and herbs ).

I agree with this whole heartedly! I have been racking my brain trying to come up with what to do. The fish everywhere is contaminated! :( On Dr. Mercola's site he does list another site where he found fresh organic pasture fed beef! ALSO pasture fed beef contains omega 3 and CLA!

I went there and some stuff is a little pricey but the gr. beef if bought in bulk, (I have a deep freezer and 5 kids) looks like it is about $4.19

http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFr...filiate_no=302

http://www.mercola.com/beef/faq.htm

http://www.grasslandbeef.com/Detail.bok?no=83

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Omega 6:3 ratio rivals fish and chicken, plus twice the CLA level of the 87% lean burger. Plus, great flavor with every bite. Buy 2 boxes and save an additional $25.00 by activating the 40 pound weight discount.
PRICE: $117.25
(FREE SHIPPING + $7.50 total handling fee per order)

If I get two packs of 25 pounds that is $117.25 x 2 = $234.50 - $25.00 when you buy 40 pounds and that = $209.50 divided by 50 pounds, that is $4.19 a pound.

(20% gr. beef out here is normally $3.50 a pound! So it is not that much more. I usually try to buy 7% when I buy gr. beef. On this website the fattier cuts have more CLA and omega 3 though probably cause they do have more fat! )

The 50 pound pack says it is $222.00 so if they give the 25.00 special off the value pack too it will be $3.94 a pound.

I think that is feasible for something that is not contaminated and is grass fed. I wish more places would do this!! Then the price would go down!

The other thing I liked was the roast. The chuck roast or bottom round bundle is $156.60 for 27 pounds. That breaks down to $5.81 a pound. A little pricey but I think it is worth it seeing as how we have roast about once a week. We have also been doing alot of rice and beans lately along with lesser amounts of chicken and adding in turkey so what we are saving with cooking more from scratch we can probably off set it a bit.

The other things seem pretty pricey though.

I looked at another website that wasn''t recommended by Mercola, found on my own and it was $8.95 for a pound of grass fed!!! SO that place charges even more!

Anyhow I know I probably sound crazy but I am really freaking out about alot of this stuff! If you still want to do cheese mande, see if they have tillamook, I switched to them cause they guaranteed for their cheese alone, NO BOVINE GROWTH HORMONES!

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Ingredients:
Cultured Milk, Salt, Enzymes.

Some of the other cheeses say pasteuirized, does anyone know if "cultured" is better or what? Anyone has the 411 on culture let me know!

Anyhow, no BGH though. :D

http://www.tillamookcheese.com/FAQS/..._Hormones.aspx

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A vital step in the process of making Tillamook cheese is the formation of cheese curd. In order to begin this development, a material is added to coagulate the milk. This material is an enzyme, a natural protein substance, which can cause certain specific chemical changes to take place. Only extremely minute quantities of the enzyme are needed to coagulate the casein in milk. For centuries, the only known source of a satisfactory milk coagulant for cheesemaking was an animal-derived enzyme. This enzyme, named chymosin, is commonly referred to as rennet.

We use the microbial/vegetable-based rennet (which has Kosher and Halal certification, and is approved for vegetarian products) to make all Tillamook cheese, with the exception of Tillamook Vintage White Medium Cheddar and Vintage White Extra Sharp Cheddar Cheeses. Our unique flavor profile of Tillamook Vintage White is a result of using traditional rennet.

The majority of the farmer-owners practice “pasture-based” dairying. Specifically, this means that for the majority of the year (March through November) the cows graze outside, except for twice a day when they are brought to the milking facility. During the winter (Late-November to early March) the weather is such that we keep our cows sheltered inside free-stall barns. These barns have areas for the cows to eat, exercise and sleep in clean, dry bedding. Their diets are customized and supplemented with grains and silage throughout the year.

Cow rations would consist of forages and grains that are balanced by a nutritionist so as to provide a complete ration that meets requirements for health, as well as milk production. The forage portion of the ration would vary somewhat between dairies but would include grass, alfalfa, and probably some corn silage. The grain portion would be a mixture of different grains, including corn and barley. They would also be given a vitamin/mineral supplement with their ration.

We want to assure you that antibiotics are not allowed in the milk we use, and we have a strict process to test milk for quality and safety before it is accepted.

While milking cows are not typically given antibiotics in their rations, as are other types of livestock, sometimes when an animal is sick it is necessary to medically treat them. In these instances, our farmer-owners treat their animals with appropriate antibiotics approved for this use. During their treatment the animal is taken out of the milk-producing herd, and their milk is not used until the cow is tested to show that the antibiotics have cleared their system.

As an additional precaution, every tank load of milk received is strictly tested for antibiotics. If any tanker tests positive, even if a trace amount is detected, the entire load will be disposed of immediately, never reaching you, the customer.

When I went to the realmilk site they suggest tillamook:
http://realmilk.com/where.html

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Butter

The best commercial brands of butter are probably Organic Valley and Tillamook —they are pasteurized, but come from cows that are mostly pasture-fed. New Zealand butter is not currently available in the US. However, a growing number of farmers sell raw butter from pasture-fed cows directly to the consumer and ship within the continental US. Many of them place classified ads in Wise Traditions, the magazine of the Weston A. Price Foundation.

Anyhow so it seems Tillamook is the best iption for now! Real butter is more expensive but I have always loved it. I usually get it when it goes on sale and now after hearing everything about fake butter etc it is just the real stuff from here on out!

Nutrients in Butter

The Diet Dictocrats have succeeded in convincing Americans that butter is dangerous, when in fact it is a valued component of many traditional diets and a source of the following nutrients:

Fat-Soluble Vitamins: These include true vitamin A or retinol, vitamin D, vitamin K and vitamin E as well as all their naturally occurring cofactors needed to obtain maximum effect. Butter is America's best source of these important nutrients. In fact, vitamin A is more easily absorbed and utilized from butter than from other sources.61 Fortunately, these fat-soluble vitamins are relatively stable and survive the pasteurization process.

When Dr. Weston Price studied isolated traditional peoples around the world, he found that butter was a staple in many native diets. (He did not find any isolated peoples who consumed polyunsaturated oils.) The groups he studied particularly valued the deep yellow butter produced by cows feeding on rapidly growing green grass. Their natural intuition told them that its life-giving qualities were especially beneficial for children and expectant mothers. When Dr. Price analyzed this deep yellow butter he found that it was exceptionally high in all fat-soluble vitamins, particularly vitamin A. He called these vitamins "catalysts" or "activators." Without them, according to Dr. Price, we are not able to utilize the minerals we ingest, no matter how abundant they may be in our diets. He also believed the fat-soluble vitamins to be necessary for absorption of the water-soluble vitamins. Vitamins A and D are essential for growth, for healthy bones, for proper development of the brain and nervous systems and for normal sexual development. Many studies have shown the importance of butterfat for reproduction; its absence results in "nutritional castration," the failure to bring out male and female sexual characteristics. As butter consumption in America has declined, sterility rates and problems with sexual development have increased. In calves, butter substitutes are unable to promote growth or sustain reproduction.62

Not all the societies Dr. Price studied ate butter; but all the groups he observed went to great lengths to obtain foods high in fat-soluble vitamins—fish, shellfish, fish eggs, organ meats, blubber of sea animals and insects. Without knowing the names of the vitamins contained in these foods, isolated traditional societies recognized their importance in the diet and liberally ate the animal products containing them. They rightly believed such foods to be necessary for fertility and the optimum development of children. Dr. Price analyzed the nutrient content of native diets and found that they consistently provided about ten times more fat soluble vitamins than the American diet of the 1930's. This ratio is probably more extreme today as Americans have deliberately reduced animal fat consumption. Dr. Price realized that these fat-soluble vitamins promoted the beautiful bone structure, wide palate, flawless uncrowded teeth and handsome, well-proportioned faces that characterized members of isolated traditional groups. American children in general do not eat fish or organ meats, at least not to any great extent, and blubber and insects are not a part of the western diet; many will not eat eggs. The only good source of fat-soluble vitamins in the American diet, one sure to be eaten, is butterfat. Butter added to vegetables and spread on bread, and cream added to soups and sauces, ensure proper assimilation of the minerals and water-soluble vitamins in vegetables, grains and meat.

The Wulzen Factor: Called the "antistiffness" factor, this compound is present in raw animal fat. Researcher Rosalind Wulzen discovered that this substance protects humans and animals from calcification of the joints—degenerative arthritis. It also protects against hardening of the arteries, cataracts and calcification of the pineal gland.63 Calves fed pasteurized milk or skim milk develop joint stiffness and do not thrive. Their symptoms are reversed when raw butterfat is added to the diet. Pasteurization destroys the Wulzen factor—it is present only in raw butter, cream and whole milk.

The Price Factor or Activator X: Discovered by Dr. Price, Activator X is a powerful catalyst which, like vitamins A and D, helps the body absorb and utilize minerals. It is found in organ meats from grazing animals and some sea food. Butter can be an especially rich source of Activator X when it comes from cows eating rapidly growing grass in the spring and fall seasons. It disappears in cows fed cottonseed meal or high protein soy-based feeds.64 Fortunately, Activator X is not destroyed by pasteurization.

Arachidonic Acid: A 20-carbon polyunsaturate containing four double bonds, found in small amounts only in animal fats. Arachidonic acid (AA) plays a role in the function of the brain, is a vital component of the cell membranes and is a precursor to important prostaglandins. Some dietary gurus warn against eating foods rich in AA, claiming that it contributes to the production of "bad" prostaglandins, ones that cause inflammation. But prostaglandins that counteract inflammation are also made from AA.

Short- and Medium-Chain Fatty Acids: Butter contains about 12-15% short- and medium-chain fatty acids. This type of saturated fat does not need to be emulsified by bile salts but is absorbed directly from the small intestine to the liver, where it is converted into quick energy. These fatty acids also have antimicrobial, antitumor and immune-system-supporting properties, especially 12-carbon lauric acid, a medium-chain fatty acid not found in other animal fats. Highly protective lauric acid should be called a conditionally essential fatty acid because it is made only by the mammary gland and not in the liver like other saturated fats.65 We must obtain it from one of two dietary sources—small amounts in butterfat or large amounts in coconut oil. Four-carbon butyric acid is all but unique to butter. It has antifungal properties as well as antitumor effects.66

Omega-6 and Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acids: These occur in butter in small but nearly equal amounts. This excellent balance between linoleic and linolenic acid prevents the kind of problems associated with overconsumption of omega-6 fatty acids.

Conjugated Linoleic Acid: Butter from pasture-fed cows also contains a form of rearranged linoleic acid called CLA, which has strong anticancer properties. It also encourages the buildup of muscle and prevents weight gain. CLA disappears when cows are fed dry hay or processed feed.67

Lecithin: Lecithin is a natural component of butter that assists in the proper assimilation and metabolization of cholesterol and other fat constituents.

Cholesterol: Mother's milk is high in cholesterol because it is essential for growth and development. Cholesterol is also needed to produce a variety of steroids that protect against cancer, heart disease and mental illness.

Glycosphingolipids: This type of fat protects against gastrointestinal infections, especially in the very young and the elderly. For this reason, children who drink skimmed milk have diarrhea at rates three to five times greater than children who drink whole milk.68

Trace Minerals: Many trace minerals are incorporated into the fat globule membrane of butterfat, including manganese, zinc, chromium and iodine. In mountainous areas far from the sea, iodine in butter protects against goiter. Butter is extremely rich in selenium, a trace mineral with antioxidant properties, containing more per gram than herring or wheat germ.

One frequently voiced objection to the consumption of butter and other animal fats is that they tend to accumulate environmental poisons. Fat-soluble poisons such as DDT do accumulate in fats; but water-soluble poisons, such as antibiotics and growth hormones, accumulate in the water fraction of milk and meats. Vegetables and grains also accumulate poisons. The average plant crop receives ten applications of pesticides—from planting to storage—while cows generally graze on pasture that is unsprayed. Aflatoxin, a fungus that grows on grain, is one of the most powerful carcinogens known. It is correct to assume that all of our foods, whether of vegetable or animal origin, may be contaminated. The solution to environmental poisons is not to eliminate animal fats—so essential to growth, reproduction and overall health—but to seek out organic meats and butter from pasture-fed cows, as well as organic vegetables and grains. These are becoming increasingly available in health food stores and supermarkets and through mail order and cooperatives.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyour...ny.html#butter

Anyhow, lots of good info there and it just makes sense!! Back 100 years ago there was not lowfat this and that, that is not how God created food. Mothers breast milk is not lowfat1 I could go on and on. If anyone is interested feel free. One more link for ya:

Politically Incorrect: The Neglected Nutritional Research of Dr., Weston Price, DDS

That is a great article and alot of what I have been reading lately just makes sense. *sigh*

Mia-thanks for the will power dust it really helped today; I actually got my fanny up out of the chair climbed on the treadmill and did 90 minutes of walking and 30 minutes of playstation2 dance pad. I was sweating up a storm,but felt like I accomplished something for the day. Here is some :dust: for you!!

jasmine-I don't know what to say...I am in "awe" with all the information. It will take a while for me to sift through it all and take what I need from it. I knew there was bad stuff we were eating, but that is way more than expected. My sister who is 9 is allergic to mostly everything. My father found a farmer near by who let him buy a half a beef with no preservatives or garbage in it for $500. I think they were happy they did it.

I have thought about getting a freezer for our garage. That way I can get only the sale items at safeway and stock up.

Hun.e.b.-:goodluck: on your finals!! I hope all goes well!!

Morning all. TWO freakin weeks till Christmas!

Hun e b:

Good luck with the tests! I know you will do well! :D

Mande:

The Myths of Vegetarianism

Vitamin A -- A Vital Nutrient

Just trying to keep ya informed hun! :hug:

I will be back to respond to everyone else in a second.

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JasonsLea:

I know it is coming so quick!

loveandlaughalways:

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I actually got my fanny up out of the chair climbed on the treadmill and did 90 minutes of walking and 30 minutes of playstation2 dance pad.

That is great sweetie! I just took it easy yesterday.

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jasmine-I don't know what to say...I am in "awe" with all the information. It will take a while for me to sift through it all and take what I need from it. I knew there was bad stuff we were eating, but that is way more than expected. My sister who is 9 is allergic to mostly everything. My father found a farmer near by who let him buy a half a beef with no preservatives or garbage in it for $500. I think they were happy they did it.

I have thought about getting a freezer for our garage. That way I can get only the sale items at safeway and stock up.

Uugghhhh. I know it is alot! I started getting a panic attack last nite! I hate being this way. It is like I either don't care at all and "ignorance is bliss" and all that and I weigh 280 pounds and am not healthy, or I REALLY care and rack my brain trying to learn about everything and figure out how to be healthy. I know my dh says you have to "make it your own" and I know that is true like for some people fat smash works, for some, it is cal counting, or weight watchers etc. But this is NOT about thta. This is about my being healthy and living a long healthy life, not just losing the weight which I also want.

When there is tuna in the mercury and peanut butter is the most heavily pesticided of crops it is rediculous!

This a.m. I just found out that you "allegedly" can't get vitamin A from plant sources. I STILL don't UNDERSTAND THAT. That kind of irritates me cause I gheard that vitamin A is good for helping to protect smokers against emphysema and cancer. SO we have been doing romaine and have been doing carrots for months!

You can get it from butter, like 8% so that is good but you can't eat too much of that either! They mentioned liver and I hate liver!

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1. Supplements of beta-carotene (or foods containing it such as orange and yellow plant foods) are NOT the same as those with vitamin A. Beta-carotene is the metabolic precursor of vitamin A; it must be converted into real vitamin A in the intestines along with the help of bile salts, thyroid hormone, and dietary fat. Infants, and those with diabetes, alcoholism, hypothyroidism, and/or liver or gall bladder problems cannot make this conversion. Additionally, the body's conversion of beta-carotene to active vitamin A is very poor: it takes roughly 6 units of beta-carotene to make just one unit of vitamin A. Be sure, then, that you pruchase supplements that very clearly state that they are REAL vitamin A and not beta-carotene.

I just had to remind myself last nite that all I can do is my best and it is up to God, not man, not vitamins etc when or how I will die. Or if I will be healthy or not. All I can do is my best to protect myself and God will have to do the rest.

I did look at my multi vitamin and it says 3500 iu ~ 70% (29% as beta carotene)

Anyhow where does your dad live? Are the cows strictly grass fed? That is awesome if so and no antibiotics etc. When we move to montana I am really hoping to find a local farmer too. Also hunting, from what I can tell deer are good to eat. I am really sad about the fish though. :( Has your family been getting fresh milk and cheese from that guy too?

Good Monday morning everyone!! thanks for the well wishes on the finals!! I just had to pop in and wish everyone a wonderful day! Be good to yourselves!! Just because the holidays are upon us doesnt mean we can give up on our goals!! Have the best day today!!

~melissa

You have a great day to hun e b! :D

Well my dh said I am down another .50 a pound this morning! WHoohooo!!! So I am officially in the 209's!!!!!! Yeah!!!!!! I SOOOOO Can't wait til I am in the 190's! That will be next!!!!! :D :carrot:

stopeating:

What kind of cookies will you bake? :D

I would be so mad at the store!!!! DId you get any satisfaction about that?

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Jasmine - 2 pounds!!! I am so excited.

Thanx! 2.5 now! ;)

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hanks everyone for your opinions im just trying to make it past the holiday since school dosent start until Jan. stopeating dont feel bad i havent exercised the latter part of the week either. my inlaws are cooking racoon for dinner today i have to get use to these traditions around here im going to the store to get some chicken breast though and maybe a nice salad

SOunds good! :D

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Jasmine: YES YOU! LOL

hahaah Well actually it is on the 19th of Dec. I usually never post the REAL date! hehehehe

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Sorry I haven't posted at all this weekend, DF came back home for a couple days, and then left again this morning. Originally, they were supposed to be in Edson, AB for 3 days, with 5 crew members. Well, things happen, and everyone comes up with excuses, and now it's a 6 day venture with only 2 crew members. Which really p*sses me off because DF is so dedicated to his job (FIL and MIL own the business), and it seems like no one else is. He came home in such a bad mood, I feel bad for him.

Awww. Tell him to keep his chin up! I am glad you got to see him!!

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Anyway, I've got my menu for the next week all planned out. I'm heading over to the store to pick up what I need a little later today, and am going to spend the afternoon getting my laundry all done, and the house tidied up. The housework is always so light when I'm here by myself, I love it

You need to take time to relax too!!

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I am in need of some serious mental change; I need some kick @#!%! Calories too high yesturday due to and no and I didn't feel like exercising at all. I think I didn't get enough sleep the night before last and I think it really effected my whole positive thinking. I was depressed

Awww, you'll do better today!!

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my ? is why can't i transfer some of that strengh to my weight problems?
im going to plan my menu for the week

If you start eating the right combinations of food you will not need much will power! ;)

I'll go over my menu last week in a few.

martiniforme:

Green tea with pom? Never heard of it with that cool! I just got done getting green tea last week.

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Also, my life hasn't changed too much with cutting back on my dairy. This may gross some people out, but I have less gas, and every couple of weeks I would get the big D, and that's kind of stopped. My stomach feels better for the most part, maybe I was lactose intolerant and didn't know it? Haha, that would be funny. Anyway, my digestive tract and bowels feel better.

I think it is because of all the pasteurization and homogenization. Glad you are feeling better!

ND GUESS WHAT?! I FORGOT TO MENTION!
I GOT TOM LAST WEEK!
That may not seem like a huge deal, but I haven't had anything, not even spotting, for over 10 months. YAY!!![/QUOTE]

That is awesome sweetie! Sounds like your body is much better cause of all the healthy changes! :carrot:

[COLOR="Red"]Okay I think I did all the personals, if I have left anyone out let me know and it was not intentional! :hug: to everyone![ I will be back in a few to update everyone on what I am up to!/COLOR]