And one that doesn't hurt you :D

meh....that's debatable

Worst pulled muscle I've had in the last couple years I got while SLEEPING. Seriously. I rolled over funny and pulled my serratus anterior and couldnt do anything for almost a week and couldnt lift heavy for a month.

Well, I was thinking along the lines of: don't pick running if you have bad knees, bad hips, bad back, etc.....depending on your particular situation.

I have bad knees and a bad back.. running has helped them both. I say dont live in fear. "They" say eating twice a day is bad for you.

Has anyone had trouble eating enough ? I am stuffed from lunch which wasnt all that big (large bowl of split pea soup with lots of ham, tortilla chips and an apple). Not just not hungry, repulsed by food stuffed.

Only problem is yesterday was a low cal day too both days < 1000 and I have an enormous burn for the last 2 days. That usually comes back to bite me either in a workout or more likely a binge.

God this is so weird. I'm usually the person who cant FATHOM surviving on under 2K calories.

I have a race on Saturday so I need to be able to fuel up a little bit by this weekend. Thursday should be my fuel day, I may need to try and open up the window if it doesnt force itself upon me tomorrow.

I'm going to keep the window open a little longer tonight. I really need the protein.

I don't think anyone would argue in favor of exercise that you know will harm you. If running helps bad knees then that's not harming you. If kickboxing exacerbates pain and deterioration of a hip joint (like it does for me) then it's probably wise to avoid it.

Anyway, Proatthis if you've been active and going to the gym for a long time then you know what to do. Strength training a few times a week and a bit of cardio (even just walking) on most days. IF doesn't call for any sort of special exercise regimen. :)

Yes, of course, if you know for sure. And that it cant be worked around if it is your passion

But...15 years ago when my first back injury occurred (just above the coccyx ) I was told what was then standard care at the time. NO impact exercises ever again. Very limited exercises. Limited range of motion. etc. Wear back support. All stuff that is NOW considered erroneous and they know you need to move it to heal.

Same with my knee, I was in a car accident in 7th grade and told the cartilage in my knee was too damaged to ever allow impact exercise.

Both back and knee are strengthened by building up the supporting muscles, not by letting them erode.

Arthritic knees up until recently were a sure fire "dont run" diagnosis. Now....not so much. I know several ultra runners who got in to running and found it improved their arthritis so much they dont dare stop.

So I have a tendency to take "you shouldnt do X" because of an injury with a grain of salt and a personal experiment of 1. My last back injury (L4/L5 - stupid icy stairs) I was told no yoga, no rowing and no (serious) cycling because of the forward bending. And yet both yoga and rowing have been key in my recovery (I hate cycling anyway). I faffed around with PT for my back for 18 months before deciding to listen to my gut and in 6 weeks I made strides I hadnt made in over a year. My PT goes to my gym and winced every morning he saw me row.

I have injured myself running. I will probably do so again. But it is my passion and frankly less injurious than the alternative depression. I do have to do things other runners dont. I have exercises I will do for life as support for my injured areas. Which means a minimum of Xtraining that other runners dont deal with.

I'm just saying if it is your passion. If it is what will keep you DOING than in most cases there is a way, and if there isnt make sure the reason isnt just an excuse, or "they say".

It's great that you were able to continue your passion.
When my PT told me no more high impact exercise--I was thrilled!!!

Cool story, ennay! Awesome you were able to heal yourself with running.


One of the things I've realized recently I love about IF is how it can quickly restore me after a very off-plan day. I've had times where I eat way too much food, way too much sodium, or a lot of processed junk that really messes me up the next morning.

Without IF I would eat breakfast normally, though I wasn't hungry, and probably continue on a salty, carby snacky day triggered from the night before.

Instead, I sip water and a cup of coffee throughout the morning, get rid of some bloat, get distance from my cravings, and eat when I'm genuinely hungry late in the afternoon. Love it.

I wish. I have heard of others that have this "problem".

Yeah, it's never happened to me before in my life. Ever. My usual set point for satiety is 2700 calories of healthy food - regardless of whether I exercise or not.

But I did end up with a binge last night.

I am thinking I need to make split pea soup more often. Stuff is FILLING.

Training for a couple of half marathons right now. Typical runs are 4-7 miles, one longer run a week, goal is to run 5 days a week. I think if I run first thing in the morning, fasted running is ok. I'm on school vacation now (just for another few days :( ) and that means I'm running close to the end of my fasting period after tinkering around the house for a few hours.

Callahan, I've been doing a lot of doubles lately - 3 ish miles at ~5 am and then a 3-7 mile run around 11 or 12. All fasted. I played around with my second run being either before or after breaking the fast and I actually do much better with them both being before. Mostly because I really like my first meal to be BIG. I've had a couple times the schedule didnt work and I did my second run at 6 pm or so and that also worked ok. Ate at 2ish and then made sure I was done eating by 4:30. But night running messes with my sleep.

I honestly think that once you adjust to IF, you'll have no problems with runs up to at least 90 minutes. Beyond that it depends on what kind of intensity you are trying to hold on the long run. OTOH if you are struggling in a training run that is SUPPOSED to be easy (i.e. not a tempo/interval session) it is probably a good sign that you are running the easy runs too fast anyway. Easy runs should be in the fat burning zone.

hi IFers! been awhile...

so it's officially skiing season. Normally, I would never do that much cardio, but I love it so I don't care. I have to get up pretty early to go (6 AM-ish, on a weekend blegh) and don't get home till 3 or 4. My eating window is from 12-6 PM so I don't normally eat before getting on the slopes. I do feel weaker while skiing than I did in my pre-IF days. It's a lot of work, I burn 600-800 extra calories that day.
Think I should just forget fasting, have breakfast and go? Or pack a decent snack for a late-morning ski break? So far i've just had a protein bar (130 calories, 11 grams of protein) and a coffee, which just isn't cutting it. I need energy for this!

I've been wondering what I'll do with skiing. Running doesnt make me hungry but skiing famishes me.

When do you start to feel it? Have you been eating lunch at noon on the slopes? If it isnt cutting it I would say eat breakfast. When you are working that hard the insulin response is mitigated anyway and you should be able to get back into IF the next day.