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- Sonoma Diet and the Mediterranean Diet (https://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/sonoma-diet-mediterranean-diet-188/)

- - Whey in Sonoma? (https://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/sonoma-diet-mediterranean-diet/76020-whey-sonoma.html)

Hi! Former South Beacher who has unfortunately had quite a backslide over the winter months *sigh* I've a goal of 65 lbs. to lose now...
Anyway I had good success w/ SB overall but also explored Fat Flush and considered it to be healthier overall. Sonoma seems to follow a similar tract of all natural whole and healthy foods, avoiding processed stuff etc. that SB allows.
My question is this...I don't see any reference to Whey protein in the book or in the forum at all and am wondering where that sits in relation to this eating plan? FF promotes whey protein smoothies and I admit they are filling and healthy when adding Flax seed oil & blueberries, lite soy milk etc.
Is whey isolate Sonoma friendly? Being a vegetarian I also enjoy the Morningstar line of veggie links/burgers/crumbles etc. Are these considered Sonoma friendly or not by the simple fact that they are pre-packaged processed foods?
Thanks for your feedback! Love this site...newly discovered and I find it's chock full of information and encouragement!

Yoo Hoo...anybody out there who can answer my questions? I suppose with Sonoma being so new it's still in progress with regard to some details like whey protein isolate? Anyway...still waiting if anyone has some feedback. Thanks!

I can't find a reference to whey protein isolate, but I don't think it would be a recommended addition to your diet. The Sonoma diet is based on whole, unprocessed foods, and adding supplements isn't necessary. The Fat Flush plan is more of a fad diet and a lot of nutritionists and weight loss experts recommend avoiding it, so I wouldn't try to compare the two diet plans. If you feel that you are not getting enough protein for your needs, you might consider slightly increasing your protein portions.

Morningstar Farms products are allowed, though you should avoid anything with breading. I love their products, particularly the sundried tomato burger :T

I'm curious as to why FF is considered a plan to avoid because from all I know about it it's based on exactly the same concept of whole unprocessed foods, far more so than SB really, and whey is considered to be a "super food" in her book...yes, it's processed but the isolate is considered the purest form of protein. I'm shocked to hear that it's considered one to stay away from since like Sonoma her emphasis is on whole and unprocessed and liver cleaning/colon cleansing foods. Her top foods include virtually all of Sonoma's top ten but she does add Flax Seed Oil, whey and cranberries as Sonoma doesn't. Glad to hear Morningstar is onthe list...it's not on FF for the simple fact that it is processed. Strange stuff weeding through these diet plans...not finding a whole lot of sense in the conclusions though.
Thanks for the feedback!

I can't say 100% that the whey is not to be included, it's just my personal opinion based on the type of diet this is. You don't have to buy anything extra or supplement the diet because it's balanced and well rounded, though you may or may not want to take a simple multi-vitamin. I take one, no matter what diet I'm following at the time. Can't hurt :)

The Fat Flush plan, on the other hand, recommends a variety of supplements, and also depends on weird food combining tactics. It's extreme on several levels. Maureen Callahan, MS, RD from Health magazine said:

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There's nothing wrong with advising people to exercise, get plenty of sleep and record their daily progress. In fact, these are great overall health and weight-loss strategies. However, it's hard to buy into the whole concept of "fat-flushing." Gittleman offers skimpy scientific support and makes some eating and exercise recommendations that sound not only flimsy but downright strange. In the exercise chapter, for example, Gittleman tells dieters to "bounce off fat" on a mini-trampoline to remove those nasty cellulite-like deposits on hips and thighs. If only it were that easy.

What do the experts say? The notion of the liver being a fat-burning furnace that is revved up by eating certain foods "deserves to be flushed," says registered dietitian Jane Kirby, who reviewed the diet for her book 'Dieting for Dummies' (John Wiley Publishing, second edition, 2003). "There's no science behind this claim. It's just a low-calorie diet. Most people lose weight when calories are cut this low."

Noted weight-loss researcher Judith S. Stern, Sc.D., R.D., says "The liver doesn't need to be detoxified. Give me a break." And muscle, not the liver, burns fat. Stern, who is the vice president of the American Obesity Association, lumps this new book with others that make unsupported weight-loss claims. "All of these kinds of books offer pseudoscience," she says. "Pseudoscience is wonderful because it promises you everything, but that's all it is -- a fantasy."

Who should consider the diet? Nobody

Bottom Line:It's another low-calorie, restricted carb diet, albeit based on a bit more convoluted logic than some of the plans out there. Sure, you'll lose weight, but that's due to fewer calories, not a fat-burning liver.

On another note, she was profiled on ABC's 20/20 news program and some of the biggest and most respected names in the weight loss field had less than favorable things to say. The topic was her Fast Track plan, which is based on her Fat Flush program, though more extreme.

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Yale Medical School's Dr. David Katz, an expert on nutrition, says Gittleman ignores the obvious: We're overweight because we eat too much and exercise too little. "You know it's not about cutting carbs and it's not about drinking miracle juice," he said. "It is about a healthful diet, and we have science to back that up. But that isn't sexy."

Actually it's junk science, according to the country's leading nutrition experts. They all slammed Gittleman on the notion that toxins make you fat.

"This is ridiculous," said Dr. Robert Kushner of Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine.

"There's no scientific evidence for this at all," said Dr. Donald Hensrud of the Mayo Clinic College of Medicine.

"How did a crackpot like this get through to you?" asked Yale's Dr. Harlan Krumholz.

"I think it reeks of charlatanism," said Katz.

But the book boasts you can lose 3 to 8 pounds in one day. "That is absolutely ridiculous unless you want to lose 8 pounds of water, which by the way, you better gain back in a big hurry or welcome to the world of kidney stones," Katz said. And what about the book's other claims?

Will the diet "detoxify" you?

"The body does not require a fast to detoxify itself," Katz said.

As far as boosting metabolism, Katz said, "the only thing that does that reliably is physical activity."