Trish, I think that program is the same one that we have that is not in my area. It sounds familiar. The other one in my area is just one doctor doing it on his own and it is more costly. $145 for the first visit. It used B12 but also an appetite suppressant. It listed terrible side effects for the appetite suppressants. I think Bariatric Center is safe. Just my opinion. $50 is not a lot of money.

I think adding the bacon to my breakfast added calories. I was not taking something out but just adding. Do you know what I mean? I feel the same about all the butter I have been adding to my veggies. Extra fat may help others but I don't think it's helping me. I will still buy my full fat yogurt and will not buy things labeled low fat but plan on going back to my previous way of eating that worked for me in the past. It was not high fat but also not low fat. I have also not had potty issues for awhile now.

I had another hypo last night. In the 50s. I think got mixed up and took the G twice. I now know my symptoms as I had a hypo earlie in the week. I get hot, my heart races and I have nausea. That is similar to a heart attack but without chest pain. Both times I tested in the 50s and both times I ate a caramel and felt better. Last night I needed 2 caramels. I am trying too hard to lower blood sugar. I have changed my eating and don't need as much G. I need to be more diligent. DH does not know what to do if something happens. I told him to just call the ambulance. I might make him learn how to test.

This am blood sugar is 100 and weight is still 187.

Carol Sue You be careful girl with those hypos. Can you take out the amount you would take in one day and put it in a little bowl or cup or something so you will know how many you took? I learned to do that when I took care of a little elderly lady. I set out her meds so I would know the next day if she had taken all her meds the day before. It would be good if your DH knew what to do. He seems to be so macho that he won't tell you that he panics when you get sick. I get nervous about some of the things DH tells me to do if anything happens to him, but I hope that my good sense would kick in and help me to do the right thing. I remember when DS fell at the beauty shop I had to talk myself out of the panic stage and think. He would probably be able to do the same thing.

I took one of DH Lasix last night because of the sodium in the chili since he likes it made mixing 2 types of chili, one with and one without beans plus a lot of tomato juice to make it soupy. It would be so much healthier for us if he would let me make it from scratch TX style because I could control the sodium. Oh well. My weight is back down to 216 but it will only stay there if I'm very careful today with eating. FBG was 120. I drank a cup of coffee with the keto powder in it again today because my bs before the chili and after drinking it for breakfast... the bs reading was 98. Hoping since the FBG was 137 yesterday and 98 before lunch that it will be just as good by the time we have our fish meal today. If I can stay at 216 until October 1, I will have lot another .8 lbs. Sad, sad, to have to fight so hard for those minute losses.

I've been reading a kindle book titiled Summary of D. Gundry's Diet Evolution and it sounds a lot like the original South Beach Diet. You do it in 3 stages like SBD... 2 wks no fruit then add foods in 2nd and then I assume the 3rd like SBD will be maintenance.

I don't think I can afford the prescription drugs they would want to give me as I understand they are expensive. If I could have afforded to stay on Trulicity, I wouldn't have to go to this place for help. I think that Victoza was also used for weight loss, but I can't afford that one either as it would throw me into the Gap too fast like it did with the Trulicity. DS takes Victoza so maybe that is why they didn't give her anything. I'll have to see about that one. Although I think she and baby sister take some sort of anxiety or depression medicine that is supposed to help with that so maybe they have something. I prefer not to take any more meds than necessary. I found it interesting that they want me to take Vitamins D, C and B-Complex each day and take them at the same time. Vitamin C is the only vitamin I don't take any more. Dr. Gundry tells his patients to take those vitamins along with Vitamin E, magnesium and calcium. I thought it was interesting though that Dr. Gundry says do not take magnesium and calcium at the same time. They cancel each other out. He recommends 1000 mg or 2000 mg of Vitamin C each day. The girl I talked to yesterday wasn't sure how many milligrams of Vitamin C they recommend. DS said she is going to ask them about the vitamins when she goes for her shot tomorrow because it must be something new that they didn't tell her to do. She will also look it up on their webpage and see what she can find. I guess I will be able to do that when I get my portal set up. DS told me she has lost 33.25 lbs since she started July the 8th. Of course, she will lose faster than me because she weighs a lot more. She also told me that it is a plan that burns fat so if you over do eating fat that you will not have diarrhea but you will have to stay close to a restroom. Of course, she is also on Victoza that causes the same thing.

Guess I better go. This is too long. Hope everybody has a nice weekend.

Trish, I would ask if you have to take the prescription drugs or if you can just get the shot and take the vitamins. I would not want to take the rx because once you lose the weight, what happens when you stop the rx? Lots of things can help you lose weight, but the key is keeping it off. We already know how hard it is to maintain a loss.

All my pills are put in a pill box for the whole week. I take so many I would not be able to do it any other way. But I don't put the G in there. The reason is because I don't always need it and I don't want to take it by mistake if blood sugar is already low. Maybe I could cut one pill in half and put the two halves in there. I usually take a half when I take it. So they 2 halves would be in there and I could see if I took it or not. But here's what happened yesterday. We went out to eat yesterday, and I keep a Metformin and 2 halves of G in a little pill box in my purse, just in case. I took the Metformin and one half of the G when we ate, but then I forgot that I took it and took another half when I got home. Blood sugar was ok when I went to bed but it dropped too low during the night.

I think one of these days I will show DH how to check my blood sugar. He won't like it, but it is probably best if he knows. Then I will have to tell him that it should not be below 70 and if it is I need sugar of some type. I don't take my tester with me when I go out so I try not to take G unless I am eating carbs. Or if I am going to be home soon I will wait until I get home to take it so I can test.

Carol Sue I agree. I really don't want any meds to be a crutch that I would cause me to gain weight if and when I reach goal. I want to learn how to eat so that I can maintain if and when I reach goal. I do think the shot can be helpful.

Hi friends: we had guests the weekend of the 21st and then rushed to get to the cottage to close it up. I am home now until the 8th of October.
weight 152 today. I am planning to fast. Will see how that goes having friends over for tea later this morning. I will give them scones and cheese and not eat myself.

Trish: I know it can be discouraging. I think you do better the lower carb you can go, especially when you add the fat. But you crave the carbs.
I am doing a bit better that way, but do find I miss the carbs at times. I can have a treat without gaining, but not more than once a week. But I guess thats what makes it a treat.

Carol: I am with you about salty bacon. I buy the costco Kirkland low salt bacon. I find regular bacon too salty as well.

Pipsicle: you should be really proud of yourself in building good habits of skating and exercise. And housework is exercise, so don't sell yourself short when you get stuff done. Lots of people have DP and their liver dumps extra glucose. The liver is made to store some to release as needed, like during fasting or famine, heavy exercise, and yes of course sleep if the blood sugar goes low, and to give us a boost to wake up.
But really, when we are overweight, we have stored too much. Dr. Fung would say that dumping it out in the morning should not be avoided as we need to release more of that glucose from our bodies.
I really hope you are able to conquer your urge for the sugary sodas though. Was reading new research about soda in general, didn't matter if it was with sugar or diet soda, causing so many health concerns.
https://www.livescience.com/diet-sod...eath-risk.html
I am hoping my plain soda water from my soda stream is fine. I do occasionally allow myself about 1/2 ounce of juice with the soda water.
I have juice so rarely, it feels like a big treat to do that. It seems to add flavour without sweetness.

Hope everyone has a lovely Sunday.

FBG was 119 and that was early, so it might even be higher. Last night DH made a grilled cheese sandwich and it looked so good I wanted one too. So I ate one, knowing blood sugar would go a little higher but also did not want another hypo.

Mad, one thing I do not like about Glimiperide is that although it lowers blood sugar, it is actually pushing it back into the cells. That's not what we want. But so far my body has not come to terms with what needs to be done to correct that. It helps with A1c but like Dr Fung says, you don't want to push the sugar into a body that already has all it needs but burn it off. I am probably taking 50% of what is prescribed and hoping to go lower.

I had planned to get back to exercise on Oct 1 which gives me 2 days to get ready. Why not start today, you ask. Well, I'm a procrastinator. I don't want to. When I do it, I feel so much better afterwards. But there's something that just loves sitting in my recliner. I'm reading a book about exercise and what it does for the body. Reading this book almost makes you want to get up and jump.on the treadmill! I just say to myself that I want some of those results. So I set a day to start. When I was younger exercise was a part of my life. A big part of it was dancing in the nightclubs but I also spent a lot of time going to aerobic classes and such. When I was out dancing I didn't think of it as exercise but it was very good exercise! Years later I spent the night dancing at a wedding and the next day my muscles ached because I wasn't used to it. So anyway, now that my pain is gone I want to get back to it. I have big plans.

FBG 127. Weight staying the same. I am having problems with the connection. I've lost my message twice and can't seem to get it to restore this time. BBL

Will try this again.
Mad It is good to see you. I knew you were working for a few days but figured you had gone to the cottage when you were gone for so long. I agree that a low carb diet is the best way to go but I have a problem with the high fat so it never works for me. The plan this bariatric center uses is a high protein, but not low fat or VLC from what I can gather. I'm hoping by being able to consult with a dietician that I can figure out where I am going wrong. When I went to the diabetic dietician 3 yrs ago she told me "You are doing all the right things so don't worry if you aren't losing weight. Just remember that your eating healthy and doing what is good for your body". Well, that is fine, but I need to see some lasting weight loss if I can. I'm sorry but .6 or .8 lbs a month off isn't doing it for me any more. DS tries to encourage me by reminding me that I am not gaining and I'm maintaining, and I am grateful for that, but it isn't what I want. I want to see more weight loss. Maybe the shots will help. I don't know anything about sulfa drugs and probably should look it up on line to see what I can find out about it. But I am sure that B12 shots can only be a good thing.

I do appreciate you ladies encouraging me but I've been fighting this since I was 20 yrs old. I have never gained back up to my highest weight which was 263 back in the early 70s when I was 30 yrs old so that is a blessing in itself. However, it is time to see if something else will work. I was thin until I was 20 yrs old and never dreamed I would ever have a weight problem.

Carol Sue It was nothing for me to walk everywhere. I lived with my aunt in Dallas and we would take the bus across town and then walk home just because we loved walking. I too went dancing at least 3 nights a week besides walking at work. Now it is a struggle just to walk because it hurts my back. That is why I do the recumbent bike. I've finally got up to 20 minutes 4 days a week. I was doing 30 minutes 5 days a week in SC. Now I have to push myself to do it, but I know I will have pain in my back and knees if I don't do it.

Going to see Daddy today. We will meet DS and BIL there around 2 and then go out to Golden Corral after for lunch. DH has meds to pick up at Walmart and I need to get some Vitamin C. DS says she doesn't eat a lot of starches, but I think she forgets that her Subway sandwich treat each week is a starch. LOL So I'm going to continue my low carb this week and go ahead and start the Vitamins the girl told me to take. I figure I will get the online paperwork to fill out tomorrow along with the instructions she said she would send me. DS finally found her copy of the diet and is going to bring me a copy of it today so I will start the diet tomorrow and get a head start before I go for consultation next week.

Pipsicle Look forward to hearing how your week has gone.

Hope everybody has a nice day.

This morning I thought I was going to have to report an unconfirmed gain. Apparently, I waited long enough to re-weigh. I have maintained my loss from last week by the skin of my teeth. However, I was unable to confirm the pending loss. This morning was really frustrating as the scale had been looking great all week. At times it was a pound and a half below my current weight. Fingers crossed that this means there is a 'whoosh' in my near future. This weekend, I made better choices in a futile effort to preserve the pending loss. Last week, I stayed within my calorie cap everyday and exercised four days As it stands now, it looks like I will have a half pound loss for the month. Although, I can use my weight on Monday or Tuesday for the final calculation of the month.

My other numbers (FBS, BP) are still too high. The DP really worries me because I think it is driving up my A1c. I need to go back to the doctor soon to get a refill on my thyroid medicine and want a good A1c. Once I get that refill, I would not be so worried about the DP during this process. So far, I am still considered pre-diabetic and want to keep it that way. Same for the BP, I would like to get it in the normal range before seeing the doctor to avoid the hypertension diagnosis. I am working really hard on this and have been making much better choices. In addition, I have been more consistent. I really wish the results were more encouraging. I feel like my success to this point could be wiped out with one bad week. My other thought was the loss is just water weight and within the normal fluctuations of my body. Therefore not a success at all, just an illusion and that is why is can be wiped out so quickly.

It is funny how plans evolve. For a long time I was trying to meet four daily mini goals (exercise, sunshine, no soda, and reasonable bedtime). They have fallen off of my radar. Although, I am doing two of them fairly consistently- exercise and no soda. The other two are strangely hard for me and I am not sure why. I still think they are really important. This week my main goal is to set up an appointment for Pilates. I need to go to a new place and I always find that hard. I have a studio picked out and tried to set up an appointment last week. Unfortunately, the on-line scheduling didn't work. In the vein of exercise, my ice skating has gotten a lot better. I want to wear wrist guards and knee pads though so I am not so fearful on the ice. The other thing I am looking forward to is getting a new supply of a supplement I thought was really helping me. It was unavailable for a brief period.

Patty- I have tried a program that used B-12 shots and the appetite suppressant. It also used meal replacements. In the end, I wasn't successful on it because I couldn't stay with it mostly due to my personal peculiarities. The meal replacements were not tasty or satisfying to me. Shots are not my thing so I was only able to do one. The appetite suppressant worked great. It was really effective and I felt great when taking it. My issue was when it wore off I was exceptionally and unacceptably irritable. It made me worried about taking if for a long time and then trying to stop. How bad would it be then, if it was this awful in the short term.

Carol- I saw your posts about zinc. A couple of years ago, I bought a liquid zinc supplement because I was hoping it would help my daughter. My husband and I had a good laugh about it because it said if you can't taste it you need it. Our humor was that it could just be plain water. Therefore, we would never taste the zinc and would always continue to buy the supplement. In the end, all three of could taste it (bitter and metallic) so we never really used it.

Mad- Thank you so much for your kind words as I have difficulty in feeling proud of myself. In fact, I feel a lot shame around my weight and feel really embarrassed that I gained so much. In fact, I was thinking of making a separate thread about this. Thank you again and I will think of your words when I try to tell myself that my efforts are not good enough.

A word of encouragement during a failure is worth more than an hour of praise after success.- Mohsin Jameel

Pipsicle, you should not feel ashamed of your body. Everyone is on this forum because of weight they don't want
to have. Looking for a solution. Everything you are doing is toward bettering yourself. You are doing very well making positive changes!

That's funny about the liquid zinc. I don't have to taste mine because it is a tablet. I don't know if they are helping because I keep forgetting to take them. They would probably take a while to make a difference, until it starts to get absorbed.

Trish, I will be curious to hear about the diet you are to follow.




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Had a really good visit with DS and BIL. Our visit with Daddy wasn't bad, but he gets irritated with us and treats me like he treated my Mama and the way he treated me when I was growing up. When I enter the conversation with a statement he makes irritable faces and rolls his eyes because he doesn't want to hear what I say unless he asks me a question. I'm used to it so I continue to say what I have to say and let it go. I only go once a week so I can deal with it. He is still mad that he has to be there. I figure it is just the way things are going to be.

Pipsicle Thanks for the info. I know this place offers some products, but I have a cop of their sample meals and it does not mention meal replacements. I found online information about the shot of what is in it and how it works and I am very happy about what I read. It has amino acids in it and I actually have known for a long time that I needed some help with some of those things but never could get my doctor interested. The tests that I can get them to do doesn't test it right to find out what I need to know. I am anxious to see how this works for me. Another thing the article I read that some times the shots can only be used for 15 weeks depending on how the doctor decides is best for each patient. This called The Bariatric Solutions. They work with people who want to have Bariatric surgery with a balloon type thing that they do now or they will help people like me who do not want to have the surgery.

DS brought me a copy of the sample diet and I am very happy with this plan. It high protein although not too high and low carb and low fat, but not fat free. Actually I have done a diet similar to this before and done very well with it. I probably will never eat as often as they say, but it is nice that I can have a lot of the foods I like and they give the portion sizes to eat. Example they have a breakfast or small meal of Greek yogurt with 2 T of Protein Powder and blueberries. So I will use the Keto powder I have in my yogurt. It also recommends flat bread or corn taco shells but I see nothing about bread itself. Also it mention turkey sausage or Canadian bacon but nothing about regular bacon. I may switch to the Canadian bacon rather than regular bacon. I always did the Canadian bacon when doing South Beach.

I think I have enough of the foods that I can start easing into the diet tomorrow. When DH and I finish the regular milk, we will switch back to 2% milk. We will have to slowly switch to some of the lower fat foods because we don't use some of those foods very often like mayonnaise. I might use that once a month if that much. I never would use LF because of the sodium, but I read that B12 and B6 helps keep the swelling down so that might not be a problem. Any way I'm still excited about this and I look forward to doing it with DS. It will make it even more fun. We both have done WW and Overeater's Anonymous at the same time in the past only this time we will be doing it in the same town.

151 this morning. I had OMAD last night, there was food in the fridge that would be spoiling, so I managed a Keto style meal.
DH got home about 9 pm. Slept fairly well last night too.
All in all, doing ok. Would like to see 149 by the end of the week, after fasting. I will eat 2MAD today so I can plan a couple of fasts in there. What I want and what is doable may be two different things. But I would like to be in the 140s before I leave for my trip. I expect to have some access to internet at times, so will check in when able.
This week I should be around.

I am happy with the foot as well. Had a good and brisk walk yesterday, full 40 minutes, and pretty much no pain, or nothing significant all day. So I should be good for some hiking while travelling as well.

I am hoping for every here that your WOEs are working for you and you can continue to stick to the plan you choose.

have a good Monday everyone

Mad, I am glad your foot has improved so much and hope your DHs is better as well. It is so important to be able to walk without pain.

Trish, the diet sounds good and easy to follow. I remember when I used to watch 600 lb Life, Dr Now always put his patients on a high protein diet with 1200 calories per day. I'm glad to hear they don't keep everyone on the shots because I was wondering about those who are not low in those nutrients. I think you will do well with this. We don't like Canadian bacon but I can do without bacon altogether. DH had not been asking me why I didn't buy it. I will get it occasionally. I think I get enough fat with what I eat without adding extra.

FBG was 106. I made the stuffed cabbage rolls but didn't like them as much as I thought. DH ate a lot of them and said they were great but I didn't like the meat. It tasted like cardboard. So I guess I still didn't get my taste for meat back again. But that didn't stop me from eating it! I still have an appetite but it just doesn't taste as good. I have been very thirsty the past few days and drinking a lot of water. I know that is a good thing but don't understand why I am so thirsty.

I can't believe it will be October already!! My one neighbor is putting out his Christmas decorations already. He does this every year and we are used to it but I'm wondering what the new neighbors will think. They will think they missed Halloween and Thanksgiving!

Mad Glad your foot is doing better and sounds like you are back to your WOE very well. Congrats on the weight moving again.

Carol Sue You FBG is doing very well.

I went back online and listened to the doctor in GA who gives the B12 Lipotropic injections and learned that she gives them daily. She has 2 shots she gives one of 2 strengths daily and she says they can be given to anyone even children and pregnant women. You can even get them in pill form if you don't want to take the shot or add to the shot. So I went on Amazon and found the product I guess I saw on another site and read the reviews and people are buying the product and taking them at home and losing weight.

However they stress that these are not magic pills that you just lose weight. You have diet and exercise which I'm thinking might be a good way for me to try considering they are only $13 for 90 day supply compared to $15 a shot plus the wear and tear on my car driving so far to get the shot once a week. It would be nice to drop 2 to 4 lbs a week with the injections, but I would be happy to be losing just a half to 1 lb a week. I just want to lose weight. I just want to see some results from my diet and exercise that I am doing. Plus they say that they are having so much more energy from these pills. I'm going to talk to DH and DS and pray about it. I sure like the idea of doing this for less money and all that driving.

They also have it in a liquid which is $57 for 30 days but they only have 9 bottles in stock which makes me wonder if they aren't going to be able to get them again. Also that GA doctor sells the injections you can take them at home on your own. DH could give them to me. But I'm not comfortable with taking a shot without a doctor.

My FBG was 126 this morning and weight loss this month turns out to be 1.2 lbs. Weight was 215.6. I measured to and I actually have maintain since I switch to Slow Carb Diet. Oh that is another thing I read on the reviews for these pills is that you lose inches. These pills have Choline that reduces fat from liver and gall bladder; Inositol which regulates serotonin and insulin levels; Vitamin B12 and B6 which stimulates a better mood and more energy and Methionine which is an amino acid and antioxidant that helps the body break down fat molecules.

I know I need and want to add this product to my regimen. The diet is so similar to what I do already so I will keep doing my diet and exercise while I decide which way to go with this.

Have a great day everybody.

I called and cancelled appointment for the shots and ordered 2 bottles of the Lipotropic pills from Amazon. I just love Amazon. Looking more closely at the pills ingredients, I realized they don't have the B12 in them but I already take an excellent sublingual B12 so that is no problem. In fact I'm waking up earlier and feeling a little better any way so I wonder if it is the B12.

It turns out they are $13 for a 17 day supply of 6 a day which someone on Amazon reviews said to work up to that amount in order to avoid potty issues. I will start out using just 2 pils 2x a day with meals and see how I do. I'm not looking to lose fast, I'm just looking to lose. The bill came out to less than $25 a month which is a lot less than $60 a month for shots and driving across town. I sure hope it will help me to lose weight. I think I will stay with a lower carb diet. Using the center's diet plan meal plan ideas, I had kind of a 2 egg omelet made as a low carb burrito with greens, cheese and Canadian bacon. My tortillas or low carb. I will make it like a taquito with one egg from now on.