I calorie count and intermittently fast daily under a 16/8 type of program.

A big chunk of my weight loss came from following a program similar to the IP program though.

Please note the bolded statement quote from one of your previous posts. That claim is what I was referring to, specifically. The study I posted from the Journal of Nutrition refers to the LOWER insulin response (or reduced "spike" in insulin, as you said) in subjects who were given a high protein diet and then re-introduced to carbohydrates. Perhaps you did not thoroughly read the study and understand it.

And regarding diabetics - I never insinuated that IP was unique in the benefits to those with diabetes, that is your own inference. But when you are talking insulin and insulin spikes, I was merely corrolating the LACK of such things with people following the IP diet. I am the wife of a diabetic and well versed on the myriad of factors that can influence and improve their situation. So let's not go there.

Thank you so much for all your input. Let me tell you about my coach experience. She was very nice, explained the program, an prasied the program. I listened, was weighed and measured and handed a tote of week 1's food. Its 307.00 to join week 1 and 84.00 per week afterward. I am a bit leary that I will stay focused. That I will find this program to work for me. That I have to put out this much cash upfront. Well I went to pay and they dont accept credit card/debit cards. I needed cash or check. I had to leave my tote which gives me time to come home an rethink this program. Can I do it? Yes! Do I have to do this for health reasons? Yes! Do I want to spend that kind of money? No... So I will be making a phone call to my coach letting her know I wont be returning ( not today anyway) . I wasnt able to start the program till next week due to an upcoming camping trip this weekend. She told me to wait till next week to start and be focused and true to the program. This gives me some time to do some soul searching!
Thanks everyone, Linda

Thanks I love the W & G series

This is an "ideal" diet for me because everyone in the family will eat the food I make now with no complaints. They may add a starch like potatoes or rice to their meals but no complaints about the meat or veggies.

Other diets seem overly complicated compared to this.

Pancreas resting or on vacation implys that it is not producing much insulin. Protein is a big driver of insulin. Protein ingested by itself causes insulin to be released.What this has to do with your study I don't know. I am not sitting here suggesting that protein by itself causes the same insulin release as protein + carbs. I am only pointing out the insanity of anyone on the IP diet and the author of the IP diet who thinks their pancreas is not working or on vacation.

Your point is that someone who follows a high protein diet and then introduces carbs will have a lower insulin release than someone who had not. Correct? Do you see how one has nothing to do with the other?

Also you are not correct when it comes to insulin spikes, unless you define insulin spike differently than I do. Whey protein by itself will cause an insulin spike which I define as insulin rising fast and falling fast. MPI protein is mostly whey.

I'm one of them. Was insulin dependent type 2 and was off insulin in 10 days and off metformin entirely in four months. It's now been two months without any diabetic medication and I saw my doctor today and my latest A1C was 5.4. Perfection.

Just saying.

I just want to add something for you to think about while doing your soal searching. The suport you get here is awsome but does not replace the lack of support at home. I don't know what your home situation is so this may not apply to you. For me the last 4 weeks (my IP time) has been very stressfull. My husband was doing most of the cooking before IP because he enjoys cooking. As he says this is how he shows his love. So when I couldn't eat what he would fix he would get VERY bent out of shape. He doesn't want to learn anything about the diet or my restrictions so he is unable to adapt his cooking. As a result I am cooking for me alone. We are fighting over kitchen space to cook 2 meals and he has often said that i should just do the cooking for me and the kids and he will just cook for himself. (he often doesn't eat until just before bed because if he eats too early he doesn't have room for beer.) Sadly my kids wont eat most of what I am on the program and so on the nights I cook I am making 2 dinners all while starving because I don't get home untill 6. So I am going to have to go off the program until I have made some changes to my home life that will make sticking to it easier.

Aside from that I have to say that while on the program I have physicaly felt the best in my life. I drive past the fast food places I used to love and don't feel tempted at all. I too couldn't justify the expence of Ip and have used mostly alternitives as alot of pepole here have. This foram is a great source of info if you deside to go it on your own. Good luck on your jurney, which ever direction you go.

Warmhearted
It's too bad your dh is not supportive. It took mine a full year before he came home one day and said "you're right-feed me ip too".

Could you consider making a number of meals for yourself on the weekend and then just reheating in the evening? This is what I do, as I usually eat at 7:15 after the gym. That way dh can cook for himself and the kids and you will be all set.

Good luck.

Something I do since I am the only one in my household who can stand cooking (but my partner is not on IP and not very adventurous with different food) is precook some rice/pasta/stuff I can't eat in advance, over the weekend, or after I eat dinner, when I'm not hungry. So I can just put it together alongside whatever I make for myself (which is admittedly usually pretty simple and not much of a recipe- i.e. she gets chicken and rice, and I get chicken salad; she gets pasta with onions and ground beef, I get big mac in a bowl, etc). Or if what I'm making uses ground turkey, I'll make whatever she likes with ground turkey as a side thing. Using the crockpot for shredded chicken and stuff like that helps, too.

Alternatively, you can have your big meal at lunch and then a packet for dinner if that makes it easier.

It does come down to support though. Not receiving a lot of support from your husband would be bad enough, but I can certainly appreciate that this diet would be very hard to follow without at least having minimum buy-in from your other household members! I'm sorry it's been so tough for you.

Ok, back to the original post, this diet works, bottom line. You don't feel hungry, you are energized and you lose weight I would go so far to say that 99.9% of the people at the Ideal Protein forum are 100% positive and your motivation is to post and visit this site frequently for support. My best wishes to you on your first appointment today.

I didn't mean to hyjack the thread. Just wanted to throw out there that you have to consider the pepole in your life and make sure that they will not be a road block to what ever diet road you head down.

thank you for the thoughts and incuragement though. This is why I said that you guys are a great suport system.

I was on IP faithfully for 4 weeks than did it badly for 3 months. I noticed severe hair loss starting about 4 weeks into the diet and it has not stopped. I have less than half the hair volume I used to have - pretty scary. Not sure if itis the diet or if it has messed up my hormones.

Everyone has their own reasons for being on this diet but for me it is working. I guess you have to find what works for you. Good luck and welcome!

Low carb diets can cause hair loss. Biotin helps. It will grow back!