I just recently started MiO and I do have boiled egg whites or sometimes I will make them for a extra "stuff" for breakfast If that's the worst "cheat" that I do then I should be a-okay

It makes me sad to think that you would feel like you do not have support on this forum simply because someone else cheated. If it is important to you to have a thread where no one has ever cheated then maybe there is room for that here. But I have to agree with meant2be about the "bad taste in the mouth." It feels kind of like an Us vs Them thing, which in my mind, means that someone is being judged. As a result, THOSE folks are not being supported.

I would feel the same way (unsupported) about a coach who would drop me like a hot potato if I had a slip up. I certainly would hope someone would try to HELP me before tossing me aside. And, as for a clinic being closed because they refused to "fire" a client??? Well, I would be interested in some documentation.

But is it wrong to want to have a place where we can give and receive support from other people that are 100% OP all the time. I feel like most other threads are filled with people who cheat, wonder why they're not losing, receive support, cheat some more... I don't want to sound harsh and don't want to judge people which is why i would like to have a place where everyone is 100% OP all the time.

I don't think its coming across right...

Thanks for the support wuv ! I appreciate it

.....but I do have a question for you.....

Didn't you start IP 27 April? I started 19 April, so unless my math is wrong you're 9 months on Friday....?

*sigh* Busymom, maybe it is just me today. I had a very UNPLANNED cheat last night, and have been really trying to stay positive and not beat myself up about it. Your thread was the first one I saw when I signed on today, and . . . maybe I over-reacted. You (and ALL) who have had the gumption, guts, and whatever else it takes to have never cheated have my utmost admiration. I don't think there are many like you. And of course, as I said, there is certainly room for a special place for you to visit one another. I just hope you won't think less of those of us who have messed up. And, maybe, please beam a little willpower our way, once in a while.

so who would be the judge to decide if a person is 100% OP??

obviously MY idea of being OP is different then some others.... just curious as where the line would be drawn.

My coach also has said no cheating or he will drop me. Since I firmly believe that if I can't do this diet, I am doomed to be overweight forever, I will not cheat! I have cravings and I have hunger every day! I don't understand why since I am in ketosis, but I am overdue for my TOM so hoping that is the reason. I don't know if I can deal with this hunger for the long haul, so I am praying that is it!

Ok i must be missing something...there's a difference between egg whites and a pizza!

I was glad to see this thread, to have a place to post where people are 100% OP (again, egg whites, splenda, mio, etc are NO cheats).

But i guess that won't work either as this has become a debate thread! I'll just go back to reading...sigh..

This sounds so familiar! I was very frustrated when I began the program back in JULY when people would get on and say they cheated and still lost ( more than I was) I did not cheat at all and phased off properly. Now I am trying to get back to 100% phase I, yes it is harder this time, as I am at a fairly comfortable weight. I have committed again and think that it is hard on those who are committed 100% to hear about cheats. I thank heavens for Wuv, 2ride, itsaboutime,jennydoodle, sandy50, they kept me going even though I had lower loses than average. My coach acused me of cheating (indirectly by saying others, who don't cheat lose more per week than you are and I told her I hadn't cheated once!) Stay the coarse and come here for encouragement. I do believe if someone falls off the wagon, it is humane to pick them back up, brush them off, tell them that they can't make the same mistake again. Booting someone for a cheat isn't the answer either, it is just that some believe because they cheated and still lost, they can do it again, & again & again......
Ishbel - you are rockin' the program. keep it up

Don't feel sad I'm more just frustrated of feeling like I'm supporting when sometimes I need support back. Sometimes it's nice to be acknowledged when you've had an NSV, even 117 lbs into it.

I was hoping this thread would be what you mentioned...to be honest I bounce threads a lot. But it seems to me this specific thread is becoming more defensive instead of a 'no cheat thread' for us to support each other.

Lately I'm having a bad taste in my own mouth from feeling that there is too much cheating asking for support getting it and only starting the cycle over again. I had my cheat (a drink during week 12 and lost only .2), did I learn? YUPPERS I DID! If you stumble, dust yourself off, get some support, confess, whatever you need to do and plug along I'll be there for you! But if you're tumbling you have to figure it out.

Do I consider cheating mio? egg whites? etc etc...if your coach says they're not cheats then they are not cheats. Is eating pizza/pasta for your supper a cheat, doesn't matter what your coach says...it's a cheat.

I'm sorry that it's a tough go at it, so I feel the pain (we all the the pain). Yes, am I scared that I'll have issues after I come back from Mexico in March? YES! Will I need support at that time to get back in the game? YES! Do I have some mechanisms in place to help me get back in the groove? YES and YES! BUT if it becomes a continous cycle of cheating then I hope someone (you know who you are) points out to me the purpose of this diet and gives me the swift boot in the butt.

The continuous cycle can sometimes feel like your being sucked dry when your the supporter. That sounds harsh I know...seriously I'm genuinally a nice person, really I am...but as I type this I feel that people people aren't getting what I mean (and I want to have this massive 'sigh' come out of your computer screens).

Some of you are my friends, some of you are BECOMING my friend. Some of us have struggled either together or at different points...the cycle must stop at some point as it comes across that they are getting all the support and giving none. Just like any relationship, the input must be as much as the output.

I don't want anyone to feel alone, however...it's ok if you can't do this diet or need more then a cheat day break from it till you get your head back in the game. The point of the diet is to give your pancreas a rest. If you don't do that and re-awaken it properly (following the protocol) then you will gain it all back.

It's as simple as that.

If I offended anyone, then I'm sorry...however I do speak from the heart and once the flood gates were opened here...I felt the need to post.

I am aching for a place to call 'home'.

the original poster said they were cheats....

Very very well said Ishbel. I have to agree 100%.

My coach is very strict and truthfully I think I have been starting to listen to others who follow their coach's advice that certain items are okay, when my coach says, "no." I haven't cheated at all but I am finding that I need to get back to my coach's advice. Basically time to clean up my act a bit.

Ok i see where you're coming from but I think we can all agree as to what is considered a cheat and what is not. I think that you know you're being 100% OP when you go for you WI and feel good about your week and your conscience is clear (wether you lose or not).

Ishbel - I want to give support and receive some too and not be overwhelmed with people who cheat constantly. BTW you go girl on your 117lbs

congratulations to you and Ishbel.... 9 months is AH-MAZING!!!

and yes, I can imagine how frustrating it must be to see all of the people cheating when you both are proof that if you stick to it, it does work!