http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39070183

FYI folks

Mad, glad to hear you are sticking to your plan. The weight will come off eventually! Good job! I imagine it is very hard with your work schedule.

Trish, DH didn't even mention the casino today. Yesterday I told him I guess I have to go into the hospital to avoid going to the casino, and I think that gave him something to think about. There's always next week.

There are people who do Keto who argue with me about eating veggies. I really don't think the veggies are my problem. I don't think a diet of all meat all the time is right, but that's just my opinion. I really don't care what someone else does. It's their opinion. I think the reason people don't maintain is because the body wants to have that weight back again and will always fight for that. I heard that you have to maintain for at least a year for it to become the new setpoint. You can't consider it a diet that you stop once you reach your goal. That is what causes the extra food to creep in. We all know that, but doing it is a different story.

I was telling someone else about my friend who has very little interest in food except to keep herself alive. We discuss this often, when I bring up the subject, and she is just amazed at how other people (me) feel about food. She just doesn't get it. Her husband works steady second shift so she never cooks a meal. She never even learned to cook because he has always worked that shift. On weekends, they go out to eat every night because he wants a hot cooked meal and she just doesn't cook. It seems I am always planning my next meal. One day she noticed her pants were getting loose. She does not own a scale. The next time she went to the DR he told her she lost 15 lbs. Imagine losing 15 lbs and not even realizing it! She thinks it was caused when she started bringing her lunch to work instead of eating out for lunch. She doesn't know anything about a calorie, a carb, or a gram of fat and doesn't really care. I think about the content of every morsel.

DH just made a lemon meringue pie. He set it out on the porch to cool. It was raining earlier. I told him he better hope it doesn't start raining again, or a bird flies over it. LOL

I try to look at it that way too, Trish. I just want to take a break once in a while and I guess I got that break this weekend. When he had shingles, he was in bed for 3 weeks in pain. We missed a couple months at the casino that time before he felt well enough to drive that far. I would rather go to the casino than go through something like that again!

Mad, that article you linked is very similar to the teachings of Dr Jason Fung who promotes Intermittent Fasting. There are people on a different forum who are doing this, some to an extreme, doing water fasts for days and days at a time. Most of them are doing it for weight loss, not for blood sugar. I wanted to try it for a couple days, but DH wouldn't let me. I don't think he's concerned about my welfare as much as worrying that he will lose his eating buddy. LOL

After reading that article, I went back and reread some of Dr Fung's Blog. Now I've decided to do IF. I have been somewhat doing 16:8, fasting from around 6PM to 10 or 11 AM. When DH makes breakfast, that's when I break my fast. If DH has cake or something sweet to eat for breakfast he does not cook eggs for us. So on those days, instead of making my own eggs, I will fast until dinner, which will increase my fasting period to 22 hours. Wonder how long I will last on this? I don't have a very good track record, but I won't know unless I try!

Ha Ha! DH had pie to eat for breakfast, so I guess this is going to be my first day to fast until dinner. I wasn't quite ready for this.

I guess if I keep on talking to myself, someone else will chime in eventually. I'm bored, so I'm surfing around looking for things to post.

Trish, I found my CAD Lifestyle book and also the Healthy Heart version. I see that I had ordered that one online since I couldn't find it anywhere else. I think I skimmed through each of these but never really read them through, so I think I will do that. I never follow any plan to the letter, but sometimes reading about them will encourage me to try harder. I guess my new plan is LC, IF, CAD. LOL That is because I want to do the IF to improve my diabetes, and LC will help, but with a CAD twist, since I often have a bit of carb with dinner. I would like this to just become a way of life to me instead of a weight loss plan, but first it has to start producing some weight loss.

I have so many diet books. I am going to keep some, just the LC ones, and donate the rest. It's stupid to keep the ones I know I will never follow or even come close to following. I see LC as a necessity because of my diabetes, and unless I somehow miraculously lose 80 lbs, my diabetes isn't going anywhere. I do have one that I like about Mindless Eating, so I will keep that one too. I am much more selective about what I buy.

We are going over to our sons to watch my grandson while they go to a funeral home and are going to stop at Goodwill on the way. Probably go to Bob Evans afterwards. So that's my plans for today.

Carol Sue: I am like you, and that is the addiction part of it. I obsess about food. Even though I am sticking to plan, chocolate and other sweets are calling to be constantly. I think about food all the time. Its one reason I am resistant to tracking food, because i think it just feeds that obsession.
I haven't been testing because I have been sticking to low carb, I will test if I eat some carbs, which may be soon. Tuesday is Shrove tuesday. I am going over to the little's house to make pancakes, bacon and sausage for them.
See If I can stick to the meats and not eat pancakes when they are right in front of me. Idea's for a substitute to a pancake?

I also this the article describes something old Atkin's had, which is a "fat fast" where you eat high fat foods, and a bit of protein only for a few days, to kick start the Atkin's way of eating and help people get over their carb cravings.

Anyway, that is what I am going today and tomorrow, high fat foods, and very low carb, and see where that gets me, the scale went up a tad this am, which seems impossible. grrr. I can handle steady state, but ups get to me

Mad So glad things are beginning to work for you again. For me it is getting back into a routine. Your holiday will be good for getting into the routine better too. Enjoy it. I had forgotten how much I enjoy the 1 Minute Muffin. Thanks again for bringing it up.

Carol Sue I just can't believe eating meat by itself all the time can possibly be good for us in the long run. I think there are nutrition in other foods that we need. IE/IF/CAD is pretty much what I am doing. I don't really have a name for it, but that is close.

As I said, I am basically a routine person and I'm trying o get my life organized. Some how I think if I can get my eating into a routine the rest of my life will follow. Sunday is the day we eat breakfast for out main meal when DH gets up. As I've always said, I shouldn't have a big problem with food because I only have to cook one meal a day so the other meals can be whatever I want it to be.

Today I was logging my meals on MFP. When I follow how I really like to eat, I don't even eat but 1200 to 1300 calories a day depending on what we eat at our main meal. I'm having a difficult time deciding what to eat at dinner time each evening. Now that I am using the Slimquick Protein drink, I decided to have it for breakfast and for dinner with the main meal in between. I make the Slimquick in my coffee in the morning like a cappiciano and had 1 egg and half a 1 minute muffin. Most days I will probably have the other half with breakfast, but today I saved the other half to eat with my lunch. In the evening when I'm too lazy to cook, I will make the shake with almond milk. I'll plan a snack of cheese and sf jello for a snack if I need it.

This is so similar to the way I ate when I was younger except I didn't eat breakfast.

Carol Sue Before I married my 2nd DH, I ate one meal a day. I lived by myself and I would wait and eat around 6pm and I ate home made hamburger, fries and a glass of milk because I liked it and it was cheap. Back then ground beef was $.19 a lb. I worked in a Christian school run by our church as a kindergarten teacher. The school furnished our lunches, but I didn't want a whole meal and besides little kids leave a lot of food on their plate they don't eat or even touch. If I got hungry I would grab a bite or two of something they didn't eat, but most of the time I only ate once a day. As I think about it now, it is strange to think that only a bite or two was all it took to satisfy that stomach hunger. I never sat down and ate a whole meal at school lunchtime. I think I actually learned to eat by the clock when I married hubby #2.

I think the Simquick protein powder is going to help me learn to get rid of thinking I have to eat all the time. It is low carb so it fits into my CAD routine. BTW In the Heller's 1st book Carbohydrate Addict's Diet, the original one, she told how the CAD diet came about through her. She was scheduled one day to have an x-ray early one morning because she knew that she could not fast all day. She got a phone call that morning waking her up to tell her she would have to have the x-ray late that afternoon. She agreed without thinking because she wasn't awake enough to refuse.

She decided to take a snack with her to work not sure she could fast all day, but she would try to keep the appointment. She was shocked that she was able to not eat the snack. She had the x-ray and then she went out to eat. I think she went to an Italian restaurant and had a feast of the foods she wanted and then took a dessert home with her. I don't remember but I don't think she ever ate the dessert at least not that day. She got up the next day and weighed expecting to have a gain, but was surprised that she had lost weight. So she decided to try it again that day. The same thing happened again. Each day became an experiment of the day before to see what would happen. She was losing weight and when her friends and associates saw her losing she began to share with them and they started losing weight. When she met her husband, because of they type of medical field he was in he was able to share with her the medical reasons she was losing weight. Out of their meeting and learning from each other CAD etc was born.

I don't remember how they suggest eating in the other books, but the original CAD had different ways you could eat. You could try eating only 1 meal a day they call the RM or you could have a RM and a CM (low carb meal) or a RM and a CS (low carb snack). Isn't it funny that is how I ate until I met DH#2. You can choose how you need to eat. Some eat 1 RM, 2 CM and 1 or 2 CS. You just make it fit your lifestyle. I seem to be falling into the 1 RM, 1 CM and an option of 1 or 2 CS. That is where the IE part comes in; however, I want to work it within an IF window of 16:8.

Oh yes, my FBS was 103.

Mad, there are low carb pancake recipes all over the internet if you google. I have never made them. I think they are made with almond flour. Or there is a company that sells a low carb baking mix similar to Bisquick, if you're interested. I forgot about Shrove Tuesday until you reminded me, but I will eat pancakes that day, and they will be real pancakes. LOL It's only one day. Maybe that attitude is what holds me back, but that's how I am. I no longer crave sweets, but the bread products are what get me. If I eat bread products I can't stop, so I'm best to avoid them altogether.

Trish, I read that story about how the CAD diet came about online yesterday, and I think it was in the front of the Lifestyles Book. I think I also have the original CAD book, but I'm not sure. I might have donated it. Like I said, I will not follow it exactly. For me, I will mainly limit carbs to dinner, and have non carb meals otherwise. That is how the second meal effect is supposed to come in to play so I will see how it works for me.

Is the Lifestyle Program CALP? I think the original CAD you had 2 CM's and 1 RM, and the RM was to be the same meal every day, but on CALP you could move the RM around from day to day. Plus I remember the RM was to start with a salad every day, and always be only within an hour.

That lifestyle program book was still at Goodwill today. They always have so many diet books there. They always have a lot of South Beach Diet books, too. Today I also saw 17 Day Diet and DR Phil 20/20 diet. Anyone who wants to lose weight can always find a plan at Goodwill.

Today, DH got 2 small hamburgers from McDonald's for his lunch, and I ate half of one of those, and at my grandson's he was feeding Grandma chocolate. LOL So I had 2 Oreos and a few Hershey's kisses. We got a rotisserie chicken on the way home and I just ate chicken for dinner. So, I am not doing it exactly as written. My Grandson had to go on meds for ADHD. He is such a nice boy. He wanted to share his candy with Grandma. Also, he and Pap Pap were in his room playing video games and he told Pap Pap it was time for a screen time break. Pap Pap didn't understand him and thought he said ice cream time. LOL He knows he is only allowed on video games for so long then he has to take a screen time break. I was proud of him that he took his break, even though his parents were not there, like he knows he should. I enjoyed the few hours with him, and a few hours is enough!

I wish I could just eat to fuel my body and not worry about all this.

carol sue: the problem is that once I cheat, getting back on track is so hard, its sometimes days, even weeks before I get control again. So I am best to stick to plan for now, will look for some recipes

Carol Sue Yes the Lifestyle book is CALP. Some people say the original CAD book also said salad and balanced plate, but the absolute original plan was actually one RM when you ate what you wanted and then you could have 1 or 2 CM (craving-reducing meals which consisted of no starchy carbs similar to low carb) and a couple of CS (craving-reducing snacks which were to be no more than 1/2 the size of a CM) In the book they had examples of different combos you could do. There was one in which you were to eat a 2 c salad before your RW meal, but I would have to look and see if it had to be balanced. I just found my original book the other day.

As more and more books came out some things were changed. They added soy flour to make pancakes etc, but I hate the taste of soy flour so never used it. Then they came out with their last book a few years ago because Rachel was having problems with being hungry all the time. CAD/CALP had stopped working for her. They did research and found that some people needed their RM to be a big breakfast. When she started eating a big RM at breakfast it worked for her. As far as I know, they haven't had another book out since then.

I think that is when a lot of CADers learned that they could tweak the plan to fit their lifestyle. I figure if Rachel had to tweak or change it so it would work for her then maybe I needed to take a good plan that had worked for me before and tweak it to make it work for me. That is what I'm doing now.

I didn't drink the Slimquick this morning. I was nauseated when I went to bed last night and still a little twinge of it today. Can't use it the way I was doing it. I got hungry and ended eating chips. I think the only good thing that came out of that is that I will not be eating chips for a long time if ever because that is what I kept tasting when I got sick. Lesson learned.

I've decided not to eat today until I am hungry. It is 11:30 am and I still haven't had any food. I have drank the coffee allowed on CAD in place of a meal. I knew of a woman on a CAD site who only drank coffee for breakfast and then ate a RM each day. I don't remember if she ate a CM or CS later as needed. She ended up having a newsletter she would send out. I lost track of her. I knew an ICU cardiology RN who ate only 1 meal a day. I've lost track of her too. She is the one who taught me the importance of salt in your diet. I think since I've decided to combine CAD with IF and IE that I will definitely have the 1 RM a day and then let my body tell me if and when it wants a CM or a CS. I don't think I have to have set amount.

Since I've been reading this IE book of Geneen Roth's Food Women and God, I think I have a fear of the hunger brought on by the thought of my bs going too low if I don't eat. I decided that I can keep something with me even on the go if something like that were to happen to handle that. I keep the sugar pills with me for DH. I don't want to use those, but I could get a low carb bar and keep it in my purse. Then I would know that I am covered in case I do have a hypoglycemic moment coming on. I have had that happen a few times since I've been on the Trulicity. I know waiting 5 hrs between meals lowers my bs.

This morning on FB CAD someone asked if CAD/CALP really lowered blood sugar. One woman said that she has been doing CAD for I think 3 yrs and her blood sugar is normal. Another woman shared that since a friend of hers has been doing CAD that her bs is now under 120 at 113. That is encouraging to me.

I just got word from my cousin that her DH is dying. They are keeping him comfortable till he sees his kids and then will stop all the treatments. He is also my cousin (cousin married a cousin). I talked to her a few minutes ago and she said he doesn't want to die, but doesn't want to live this way. My heart goes out to her and the family. I've walked her walk and it isn't easy.
I called Daddy to tell him as they are really his cousins. He wants to go to the funeral if he can so I guess we will be going up there when ever it happens.

Busy day today and tomorrow. DH and I have to get our car service, go do Daddy meds for the week and grocery shopping. Nurse told Daddy he is so tired because he needs protein. I have to compare boost and ensure to see which is the best for him. (She mentioned ensure, but I already buy him the high protein boos for him.) We go to cardiology doctor's office tomorrow for ekg and PA at 9 am. So I will try to get back here tomorrow afternoon.

fatmad, p.a. and others

Y'all have a great day.

Thanks for this website. I've saved it to read all the info.

Mad, a cheat sometimes turns into weeks for me, so I know what you're talking about. I am not as bad as I used to be.

For years, the only way I felt satisfied was to eat until I was stuffed. If I stopped before that, I still wanted more food and wasn't happy until I went and got something else to eat. It took me a very long time to change that. I'm still not where I want to be, but haven't been stuffed for a long time. If I eat too much now, I feel like a slug.

Trish, today I ate to avoid hunger. It was around noon, but I wasn't hungry yet. I had had coffee and it was my intention to go until dinner. Dh wanted to go to the store and wanted me to go with him, so I made him wait until I ate. I didn't know how long we were going to be gone and didn't want to end up running into McDonald's because of hunger. I don't know what's worse, eating to avoid hunger, or grabbing fast food in an emergency. It seems that I can go very very long without getting hunger, then all of a sudden I feel so hungry I think I'm going to pass out. I should probably get some bars of some type to carry with me, but I don't know which ones to get. I'll have to look around. I'm afraid I won't use them much and they will go stale before I use them. On the Fung Fasting thread, they say to use broth during a fast when needed, but I can't carry a cup of broth around with me.

I am taking glimiperide, which forces blood sugar down, and can cause a low. I don't know about the injection you are taking. From what I have heard, if you are not taking a drug that lowers blood sugar, you should not have a low from not eating. When your body senses blood sugar going down, it releases glucose. If there is no glucose left to release, it will make it from your body fat. You may however, have symptoms in the interim, before your body gets around to releasing the glucose but I don't think it's a life threatening situation. I don't know if I worded that correctly, but that's the gist of it.

I made a pot of beef vegetable soup today. I had a piece of beef, about a pound. I precooked it in the pressure cooker to soften it. I put on a pot of water with 4 beef bullion cubes, 2 ribs of celery, some barley (1/4 C) a sliced small onion, some sliced cabbage, a can of diced tomatoes and juice. I let that simmer. Then I cubed the cooked beef and added it, along with the liquid left in the pressure cooker. Added 3 small peeled potatoes. (for DH) And 2 cans of Great Value mixed vegetables from Walmart. I have found them to have the nicest mix of vegetables. When it was done, I removed and sliced up the celery and put it back in the soup. I have had 4 bowls of it. DH went to the store to get some Italian Bread to eat with it. I'm pretending I don't know the bread is there. ha ha I have so much soup left over I don't know what I'll do with it. I could freeze some. DH won't eat it the next day, or after it's been frozen. Maybe I will give some to my step-daughter.