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carafre 10-31-2005 09:53 PM

Still nursing
 
Hello all. I am a sahm to 2 lovable tikes! I am nursing my 14 month old son. I am so happy to have found you guys. I did try to wean my son but he wasn't ready - so we are still at it. I am happy about it. I just don't have anyone here to help me w/ a few problems (concerns) that I have. I hope you ladies can!! It seems like I am nursing a lot, is that pretty normal? My son is a little small on the growth charts but not so it's a problem. I know he's getting plenty (lots of wet diapers) but my mom thinks it's too much. She says he's too old... The other concern I have is when to wean. Do I have to now? I know it's a personal choice but I just wondered what other nursing moms thought. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

carafre

GreatBigMonsterMomma 11-02-2005 12:03 AM

The official American Academy of Pediatrics policy statement on breastfeeding (which you can view here) says:

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Breastfeeding should be continued for at least the first year of life and beyond for as long as mutually desired by mother and child
Sometimes it helps to have something "official" to throw out there. ;) Furthermore, the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding for at least two years. So you're outside of the American mainstream, but you're NOT doing anything wrong.

And you're not alone, by any means. There are several of us here who are extended nursers. I've got my 22-month-old attached to me as I type this. ;) The benefits of breastfeeding don't magically disappear at six months or one year of age.

And yeah, him wanting to nurse a lot at that age is perfectly normal, as is being on the small side (most pediatricians still use growth charts designed for formula-fed babies, who tend to put on weight faster; in part because it can't be digested as well). Just make sure he's got plenty of access to solid foods, and don't feel the slightest bit guilty for keeping your timetable & his, rather than someone else's.

carafre 11-02-2005 12:31 AM

WhEww...
 
Thanks for responding! Extended nursing! That's great. I am so much more relaxed now. :) Thanks, again!

carafre

Rakkoon 11-09-2005 04:08 PM

My son is 15 months and he is still bf'ing every 3 hours plus eating his 3 meals a day. He weighes 25 lbs. I plan to nurse him till he is 3 y/o thats unless he weans himself off sooner.
I think you are doing fine. Is your son eating solids regularly?
My son didn't start eating solids regularly until 2 weeks ago.

carafre 11-24-2005 12:37 AM

Yes he eats like he's 15 instead of 15 months!! I've decided to keep going. He has managed (on his own) to cut to 5 feedings a day. I think he's getting so busy he forgets!! I am so thankful that we are not weaning yet. My son weighs about 25 pounds also.

carafre

KimProbable 11-24-2005 01:17 PM

Although I'm only nursing my teenie 2-month old right now, I did breastfeed my son until he was 33 months old. It was a natural progression for the two of us and I cherished our special time together. He was down to morning nursings only for the last few months and by the time he was totally weaned he went for over a month before asking to nurse.

It's hard sometimes when people (especially family) think that it's odd or unhealthy to continue nursing, but I'm of the opinion that if mom and baby are both are happy and healthy they're doing the right thing.

GreatBigMonsterMomma 11-24-2005 10:38 PM

Well, I was reading the article in the newspaper yesterday that said if you nurse for at least a year it might reduce your chances of Type II diabetes...Anyway, the Healthy Families program the US government has is aiming for at least 25% of babies to be breastfed at least a year. It's good for the baby & it's good for you. Your baby doesn't magically become a calf at a year old. ;)

carafre 11-25-2005 01:55 PM

That's great news - my dad has type II diabetes. I love being a nursing mother. We recently flew to Seattle & it was so wonderful not having to cart around milk or formula! It was the first time I've had to nurse in public. I must say it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

carafre

GreatBigMonsterMomma 11-25-2005 07:19 PM

How do you avoid nursing in public for over a year? :eek: Seriously, I was NIP with Esther the day we left the hospital with her. When I had my first I used to be very careful about covering up with a blanket just long enough to latch her on, but I swear I've got no shame left anymore, I'll whip it out anywhere, any time. (Not that I wave my bare boobie in the breeze. ;))

almostheaven 11-25-2005 09:23 PM

I was just too embarrassed personally to breast feed in public, so I took pumped milk with me everytime I was out. My friend would just do the whip it out in public thing. And she'd put a burp cloth over it, but sometimes it would fall off and she wasn't ashamed of it. But I just can't do that myself. So...I picked up a breast feeding shawl at Baby Depot. And I haven't taken a bottle with me since. ;)

carafre 11-25-2005 11:16 PM

I was so nervous I would go the car. I had a very bad experience at a restaurant early on, I think my son was 3 months old. My husband wanted me to just whip it out and feed him. I couldn't. I wanted my DH to kinda of block me so I could feel more at ease. Well, my husband snapped at me & I ended up in the car. We've since worked it out, but after that I was too nervous to even try! Now I am more relaxed. Who hasn't seen my breats? lol

carafre

Tober 11-26-2005 01:01 AM

:) Hello. I am new to the web world. I have a wonderful 19 month daughter who is still an greedy nurser. And I am having a few issues with my husbands family. They make lots of little comments that aren't quite mean yet still are pointed. Like " My kids didn't do that and they turned out fine." I think I have heard that about 100 time. My brother in law tells me that she to old to be "on the tit."

I was wondering if any one had some snappy come backs. I have tried the whole it's better for her talk and it hasn't done any good. I will con. to nurse Gilli until she wants other wise. But like like to have something in my corner.

Any comments would be great.

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GreatBigMonsterMomma 11-26-2005 03:40 AM

Tober, I'll be honest...The only thing that shut my MIL & FIL up was my husband telling them we were going to nurse until the kids wanted to quit, and then refusing to discuss the matter anymore. I can never come up with snappy responses until much later. ;)

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So...I picked up a breast feeding shawl at Baby Depot.
Y'know, three times I've had something negative said to me about breastfeeding, and twice was when I was covered up. :rolleyes: Once was at MacArthur Center, when a security guard told me I could be "doing that in the nursing room" (she meant the little sort of foyer area of the family restroom up by the food court; that place was filthy half the time).

I was a bit shy when I first started out, but like I'm fond of telling people, once you've nursed in public sitting on the submarine pier surrounded by several hundred people and national media, you've kind of run out of reasons to be embarassed. :lol:

almostheaven 11-26-2005 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tober
" My kids didn't do that and they turned out fine."

You call THAT fine? Ok, whatever. :D

Honestly, just tell them up front that you've heard that already, to come up with some new material, or to leave you alone about it. YOUR child is not THEIR child and what you decide for yours is up to YOU to decide...and you are deciding, with or without their input.

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Originally Posted by carafre
I was so nervous I would go the car.

Yup, I did the same when it was feasible. And I'd hunch so far down in the seat I'd end up with a backache. But really, that shawl I got from Baby Depot is a real lifesaver. It was just $6.99 and provides plenty of coverage, while still allowing me to see him down through the neckline. Mommy and baby are both much more comfortable now and he gets fed wherever.

Hint: If you're out at the mall and need to feed them, rather than the metal chairs in the foodcourt, see if they have those leather massaging chairs around that you can put a quarter in to test drive. Ohhhhhh that was sooooooo much nicer to feed him there. :D

Angihas2 11-26-2005 07:20 PM

The AAP has recently changed its guidelines that bf for 2 years is the desired time, which is great as its more inline with what other bf nations do! The US is the only odd balls who see breasts in a purely sexual and nonfunctioning manner! KUDOS to you for bf so long!

I still have issues nip, mainly because I'm well past an H cup and refuse to be sized any larger and its difficult to latch him without being able to see, I still try using a shelf bra tank and a T-shirt, but I think I'm more squirmy about it than the general public, thankfully I live in a fairly liberal state as far as bf goes.

carafre 11-26-2005 08:14 PM

I am going to look for that shawl! As far as comebacks go - I finally told my mom & dad that I would continue to nurse my son until he found a pair of breasts he liked better than mine! I read that somewhere & I can't remember where. But I was so upset that they think I am "hurting" my son's boy idenity by still nursing him. They've decided to drop it for now. My MIL has been so supportive. She says when he's ready to quit I'll know. I am happy w/ that!

carafre

Marianna 11-26-2005 10:10 PM

I thought I would pop in and say that I know it is tough when you get the negative comments about extended feeding but what a wonderful thing you are doing. My daughter is almost 3.5 years and we are still sharing a breastfeeding relationship... so many people have told us negatives... especially that we would make a clingy child out of her - but she would have to be one of the most outgoing and confident children I have ever met! On another forum I visit for parenting support we posted a whole heap of comebacks to silly comments.. I will try and find it and post a link here.

Marianna 11-26-2005 10:28 PM

Here is some of the responses that were listed on the other forum I visit

I wont post a link because I can't remember if that is OK or not here at 3FC
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Respond to Direct Breastfeeding Questions/Comments:
Comment: "Breastfeeding a child that age is not natural."
Response #1: To whom? It IS natural to us, that's why we do it. I can't think of a more natural way to feed a baby. Can you?
Response #3: To some women, breastfeeding at all isn't natural, but that doesn't make it wrong.
Comment: "But just because it is natural, doesn't make it culturally acceptable."
Response #1: In some cultures it's acceptable to nurse children until they are five or six. In our culture only 30-40 years ago it was practically unacceptable to nurse at all. When I was a child the mothers who did nurse did so for about 9 months. These days it seems like 1 year is the norm. But as you can see, it changes from place to place and over time as well

Comment: "Breastmilk doesn't benefit/is not needed for the child anymore."
Comment: "Breastmilk doesn't supply nutrition to babies past 6 months/1 year of age."
Response #1: Actually, research shows that the longer a child breastfeeds, the more he will benefit.

Response #2: "I couldnt ever put a age limit on a child's need to nurse because it is just that..a need. I wouldnt wean any of my kids because they got to be a certain age..nursing is just part of my mothering. You cant force a child to nurse and it is so much more than milk." -"wooliebabiemama".

Comment: "You dont see fully grown animals still suckling to the mothers breast years later!"
Response #1: Actually, you do. Dolphins, which we think of as smart animals, nurse their babies until 2-3 years of age. A dolphin is considered to be full grown between 2 to 4 years of age and the female life expectacy of a dolphin can be as short as only 5 years!
Response #2: [If they use some obscene number of years, like 30] Statistically, the average age of weaning worldwide isn't 30, it's 4.2 years.


Comment: "It's more for the Mothers security than for the 4 year old's health."
Response: Actually, the natural role of human survival may play a part in the lenth of time that a mother feels comfortable nursing her children, but noone can force a child to nurse. Did you know that the survival rate of baby dolphins is directly related to the strength of the maternal bond formed?

Comment: "I think it's gross/disgusting!"
Response #1: You know, what else can you say, but "I'm glad not all mother's think that way or some baby's wouldn't survive."
Response #2: And i find it disgusting that mothers are not giving their children the best they possibly can by breastfeeding because they are afraid that people like you will say something to them.
Comment: "From a psychological point of view .. it can become something that effects a child in not so positive ways."
Response: This is a common misconception. There are a number of excelent studies done by reputable persons that discuss this topic. You can best find them by visiting the La Leche League International website.

Comment: "You shouldn't do that [breastfeeding] in public.
Response #1: Why not? (If their response is shown above, find a response to their comment above).
Response #2: "WHY?? Would YOU want to eat in a bathroom? I didn't think so!! If it is acceptable for a baby to bottle-fed in a location, it is also acceptable for an infant to be breastfed.

Are you STILL nursing?
-Of course, I wouldn't dare ask someone else to do it for me!
-What do you mean still? The bare minimum is two years!
-Obviously. ..Are you STILL afraid of seeing a breast? (a good one for someone looking at you nursing with a disgusted look on their face)
-Yep! The equipment is still in operation.
-Yep! He's still my child, isn't he?
-Of course! He still needs his mommy!
-Absolutely! It's a great way for both of us to take a break!
-Actually, he's the one doing the nursing, I just sit here.

When are you going to wean?
-I weaned a long time ago, when I was two I think.
-(pause) Oh, you were talking to me? I thought you were asking him...he can't answer you yet.
-Weaning isn't even in his vocabulary yet.
-Not sure, I hope he is allowed to nurse as long as he likes.
-Oh...sometime in the future. (be vague, it gets them every time!)
-I suppose whenever he stops nursing, that would be a good time.
-That's funny, I was going to ask you when are you planning on going vegetarian (or something equally as ridiculous to ask)

Isn't he a little old for that?
-(while nursing) Apparently not, the equipment still works for him.
-(surprised) What?! He isn't even out of diapers!
-I used to think like you, but then I nursed a baby for the first time and all the rules changed.
-His doctor didn't think so.
-Aren't you a little old to be wearing those jeans?
-Nope, he's only three, that's not very old considering he'll live to be 100 or so. Obviously he isn't.
-If I thought that way, would I still do it?
-No, I don't think he is, do you? (if they say "yes" then answer, "well, then, you already had your answer didn't you")

He doesn't NEED to nurse at this age!
-He doesn't need his teddy bear either and but we still give it to him.
-Maybe not, why don't you read up on it for me.
-Maybe you can find out if there is an expiration date for my milk.
-Only HE knows what he needs and obviously he still needs it. (laugh) Where did you hear that?
-Shhh - not in front of him, you'll make him feel bad. Then later say "I would prefer it if you wouldn't talk about nursing in front of the baby. How would you feel if someone was telling you that you were too old for something?
-He can HEAR you, you know. And you don't NEED to eat that doughnut, but you still are.

He should be drinking cow's milk from a cup by now.
-I am sure he knows how, but if you were him, which would you prefer?
-Why? Are we raising him to be a cow?
-He likes human milk from these cups better at the moment.
-I would like to see where that "rule" is written down.
-Why? Human milk is made for humans...and it's free! And you should be OVER the whole thing by now, are you still afraid of a breastfeeding child?

More Come-Backs I Found Online:

Responses to "Are you still nursing?"
- "No, I'm not, my mother lives too far away. Jacob is, though."
- "Of course! Nothing but the best for your grandson!" (or nephew or whatever)
- "Yes, isn't it amazing? I am so glad he's not in a hurry to grow up"
- "Yes, it's really been a life-saver, it is the only liquid he'll drink when he's not feeling well"
- "Absolutely, isn't love a wonderful thing?"
- "Yes!" (then hold up your hand expecting the other person to high-five you)
- "Right now? No, he's over there playing. I need him to do it"
- "I was never a nurse. I don't like needles! I'm an Accountant, remember?"
- "Yes, his doctor is so thrilled. So many moms give up due to pressures of friends and family" (hint hint)
- "Yes, and he's a real pro at it. I am so proud of him"
- "Everyone asks that, it must be because he's so incredibly healthy" (not really answering, but it gets the point across that you aren't planning on answering)
- "I get that question all the time. It is so great that people are looking out for him!" (again, not answering)
- "Yes, he deserves the very best. He's such a good baby."

(for someone who continuously asks)
- "It is funny how people ask that, but then they don't really want to know"
- "Of course, I am glad you keep asking. It shows you want the best for him"

(and another for someone who is hounding you to no end)
- "Do you really want to know this time? You didn't seem satisfied with my answer last time."

Responses to "When are you planning on weaning?"
- "I'm not. He'll wean me."
- "Before he graduates"
- "He hasn't told me yet."
- "I haven't asked him yet. He doesn't really make plans for the future at this point. He just does things day to day"
- "I don't know, I guess when my milk dries up" (confuse a person who has no clue about breastfeeding)
- "I hope not for a while. We're both enjoying our time together"
- "I don't know, when the puppies weaned, they were taken away from their mother. It doesn't seem like such a great thing to me"

(sometimes they ask, "when will you start giving him cow's milk?")
- "Not sure, maybe if he starts thinking he is a calf"
- "What, and get my PMS back? are you crazy?"
- "I don't know. He seems to still enjoy it and I enjoy those extra 500 calories I burn"
- "It is so hard to plan anything with a baby. We're just doing things day to day."
- " We're in no rush, he has time to make up his own mind"
- "Thanks for asking. Everyone seems to need an answer for that except for me and my child."

and another for someone who is hounding you to no end)
- "It depends, when are you planning on asking me again?"
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GreatBigMonsterMomma 11-27-2005 12:15 AM

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I still have issues nip, mainly because I'm well past an H cup and refuse to be sized any larger and its difficult to latch him without being able to see, I still try using a shelf bra tank and a T-shirt, but I think I'm more squirmy about it than the general public, thankfully I live in a fairly liberal state as far as bf goes.
Where do you find shelf bra tanks that support you? I'm not trying to be catty; I really want to know. I could use some myself. :lol: I hear you on not wanting to size up any farther, but I need to get decent support so I can exercise.

charlotte444 11-27-2005 07:52 AM

hi.. well i have a beautiful 15mo old baby girl who i still b/f all day long AND all night long...and my husbands family also let me know what they think..which is that shes old enough to be wean that you should only b/f for 6 months cause after that my milk is not of any nutrition for her... well all i tell them is that my mom b/f me till i was 3years old ands look at how beautiful and strong i am.. but really you shouldnt care what anyone thinks or tells you ... you are giving your baby the best thing in the world imagine being held by your mommy everyday just close to you while he/she eats.. and not just that our milk makes them be healthier and they dont get as sick as babies who dont b/f have you read up on that.. you should be proud of yourself .. i am. because its not easy and really thats the only reason all my relatives or freinds stop b/f they tell me it was too much of a hassle or that it was hard bacause they had no time.. just on thanksgiving i was b/f my baby when a lady says : your still b/f oh god i only b/f mine 2 weeks i just could'nt.. oh my god all i though was she should be embarrased to say that out loud.. i just want the best for my daughter and as of now i'm giving it to her.... oh by the way i b/f everywhere and anywhere ... all i say to all you ladies is congrats on loving your kids so much to care.

carafre 11-27-2005 09:22 AM

I think the reason I succeeded B/F this time is that I tried so hard w/ my daughter and gave up after 1 week & a half. I had zero support and didn't know about all of the resources available. My MIL tried so hard to help, but they live so far away. I did bottle feed my first. It was a decision that I still regret. I didn't know what else to do. I was so heartbroken when we gave her the first bottle. Anyway, I made sure that I explored every option when I was pregnant w/ my son. I made sure my husband and everyone else knew that I was breastfeeding no matter what!! And I did! It was and still is the best thing I've ever done. I love the bond I have w/ my son. I also have shown my daughter what a wonderful thing it is. She will not have to worry if she has kids - I will be there to help her every step. Ok, Ok I am tearing up here... Thanks so much.

carafre

GreatBigMonsterMomma 11-27-2005 08:24 PM

I believe that the reason 99% of women who "can't" breastfeed can't do it because of an utter lack of support and information. I believe that like I believe the sun sets in the west and the Alamo is in the middle of downtown SA (you'd be surprised how many folks think it's out in the country, but that's another topic for another day...;)). I could just scream at some of the stuff I've heard. My utter "favorite" is the belief that a woman's milk is supposed to come in immediately after birth. In real life it can take 3 - 5 days and yes until then your colostrum will be enough, though it certainly doesn't feel like it when baby wants to eat every half hour! (I say that from experience.)

And then there were the old AAP guidelines that said to breastfeed "at least" six months, which for some insane reason made everyone think six months was as long as you needed to do it.:nono: The wording in the new statement is much stronger, but it's gonna take years to undo the last one's damage.

Tober 11-28-2005 02:30 PM

Thank you for all the great ideas... I tried the high 5 come back on my Brother in law... It was the funniest thing in the world. He just stood there. It was wonderful. No one had any other comments for me on that day... Thanks again.
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carafre 11-28-2005 09:32 PM

Tober - lol, I wish I could've seen that!!

I've seen the Alamo, and I couldn't believe that it's right there, downtown. I think you are so right - If I would have had support, I would've kept going. It ended up being so easy and SO worth it.

carafre

Angihas2 11-29-2005 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GreatBigMonsterMomma
Where do you find shelf bra tanks that support you? I'm not trying to be catty; I really want to know. I could use some myself. :lol: I hear you on not wanting to size up any farther, but I need to get decent support so I can exercise.


I actually just buy plain ole xl, or 1xl in the style i like. I get the smallest size I can possibly stand in the store, because I know they will stretch with a few washings. I found some at Ross for 5 bucks a piece


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