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Meg 05-10-2004 05:16 AM

Weekly Chat -- Week of May 10 - 16
 
Good morning to all the soon-to-be or wannabe or trying-hard-to-stay Maintainers! I'm blown away by the great discussions we had going on last week and hope to keep the ball rolling by starting a weekly chat thread for us. Here's a place to talk about what's happening this week, anything you're wrestling with now, any challenges or struggles that might be coming up, or just for generally teasing Jack. :lol: (it's SO much fun having a guy around for a change!)

My challenge that I set for myself is to eat clean for a week. I've been getting a little too sloppy -- for me that means doing just fine 98% of the time and then falling head first into some awful food here at home when I'm tired. When I thought about what was happening, I realized that being tired is the trigger for any overeating I might do. So ... I'm working on getting more sleep and am going to practice some Dr. Phil environmental control (put DH's cookies in the basement freezer so they don't taunt me every time I open up the kitchen freezer). I'd love to get the junk totally out of the house but since I'm not the only one who lives here, I can't. :(

How's everyone else doing? Vmelo, Jiff, Beverly, Ilene, Idealperson, Emily, Tiki, Karen, Mel, Seek, Ali, Noodles and :devil: Jack?

Noodles913 05-10-2004 07:20 AM

Hey!! :wave:

This is a good idear!! A weekly blab area!!! I love it. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/love/love22.gif

I feel very yecky...ugh. Just what I don't need right now. I have so much to do and being sick was not a part of it. Yesterday I was in bed most of the day sick. :( Still sick so you won't see too much of my "Graffiti" today. Ugh...time to try to eat some soup and watch TV. I feel yecky just sitting here too long. I'll be back when I am up to par.

Until then, take care & enjoy those workouts!! :tread:

Meg 05-10-2004 07:51 AM

:grouphug: Noodles! Take it easy and feel better soon!

I'm back from the gym and ran a mile (and biked for a bit)! Yay! I'm easing back into running since my little lay-off because it seems to be THE best fat burner for my legs. Later today I'm doing legs AND chest -- weird split, but why not? This will be my first leg workout in six weeks, so I'm expecting to be nice and sore tomorrow. :D

Mel 05-10-2004 08:02 AM

Hi there Meg, ah poor Noodles! :grouphug: to you, but keep your distance, please.

I had a fairly unusual mother's day weekend. On Friday, I had a Full tummy tuck with muscle repair. I've been at goal weight for almost 3 years now, although the bf% has changed. I've done everything "right" with regards to the skin issue, and nothing has changed except the leaner I got elsewhere, the worse my stomach looked. My skin was pretty much - no, completely destroyed with my first pregnancy who will be 22 yrs. old in 2 months. So if the rule of thumb is that it takes 7 years to completely regenerate new skin, I gave it 3 chances. I've been investigating this and doing research since last Christmas, and finally took the plunge. So far, it's not been nearly as bad as I thought it would be which is good because Meg PROMISED me it wouldn't be so bad, and I know where she lives!

The one thing I remember telling my plastic surgeon before I went under, was that I wanted to 5'8" and have a Barbie Doll waist. :lol: He failed me :(
But far, from the little I can see, it looks pretty darn good for a 49 yr old who carried two babies to term (one of whom we nicknamed "Torpedo" in utero because of her bizarre position, and the other who was 10 1/2 pounds.

So there's my "What did you do for Mother's Day" essay. I think I'll go lie downfor a while and try to keep the cat from pouncing on my stomach!

Just an afterthought: Anybody comtemplating abdominal surgery, work up some good strength in your arms, quads and abs. It sure helped. 1) It was very easy for the doc (his words) because the muscle was so strong and defined, he could easily anchor the skin and; 2) it makes getting up and down without having to shout for help a lot easier ;)

Have a good day, everyone.

Mel

ps- any incoherent sentences and bad spelling are the result of DRUGS not my lack of education :^:

Mel 05-10-2004 08:04 AM

Hey Meg, if you throw in back and shoulders for me, You've almost got me covered for the week! No running, tho. I definitly not allowed to run :lol:

Sweater Girl 05-10-2004 09:55 AM

Good idea... I am getting closer to where I want to be so I am happy! I went out to eat at restaurants 4 times this weekend and did relatively well... I had chicken and veggies on Friday night.. that night was tough, it was at a steak house and they gave a tortilla chips basket and the food took a long time, but I resisted and waited for my main course. On Saturday night I had a treat that I planned... a piece of cheesecake pie... it was too sweet I felt sick afterwards... boy have I lost my sweet tooth. Sunday morning I had a brunch out and ate an omelette made from 3 eggs. I ended being out for dinner and had a spinich and feta salad... it was really good... Overall I did really well.. The treat was planned. I asked at brunch for no toast or potatoes so I wouldn;t be tempted. I also resisted the chips and brushetta at the Survivor party I was at last night too... My weight was down this morning so that was also a positive thing for me.

Mel: as I am getting back into good shape again, my tummy skin is getting more and more rippled and looking worse:( Oh well, I want kids so all I can do for now it too try and keep getting stronger and stronger and wait. Take it easy and take care!

Noodles: Hope you feel better:)

Meg: I read somewhere (I don't know the source), but there was a study done which had a group of people who had a full nights worth of sleep and a group who had less than 6 hours... The group which had less sleep ate about 600 more calories a day. About the kitchen environment, I guess i am lucky... my BF's doc has put him on an eating plan to lower his cholestrol so we've both been eating really healthy without much processed food. There is pretty much no accessable junk food right now at my house (just the stuff I'd have to bake up so it's not a temptation).

Jack: those sound delicious!!

Cheers!

Ali

SeekInnerThinChick 05-10-2004 11:36 AM

Noodles: let's just pretend I've already given you the lecture about taking it easy...
Mel: A tummy tuck for a Mother's Day gift... better than a blender, by far
Jack: so the mushrooms act like a pizza crust? I'm not sure I'm picturing this right.
Meg: WHAT leg fat???

As for me, things have quieted down since my DH's little bit of ER drama. The wound is healing nicely, but he'll be at home for another week. I've got swallows trying to nest under the ridge on the front porch, which would be fine except they poop a lot, and bomb you as you step out the door.... so bird netting goes up and we give them another spot to nest...

The DH's accident has had one good effect: it's shown him he's really out of shape and needs to hit the gym to build himself up. I've got his promise on that, and I'm enforcing it-- his BP is a little too high. I can't be too hard on him though, he's been very supportive, and right behind me about keeping high-calorie/low-nutrient foods out of the house.

I'm getting closer to goal. I've been mostly hitting the gym lately, but I hope to get outside more, weather permitting, when the DH goes back to work. OTOH, at this point it's more a matter of body composition and losing fat than the number on the scale, and the cardio and weights at the gym burn up the fat pretty efficiently. Lately the project has been proceeding slowly but surely, and with a remarkable lack of drama, which is fine with me. :lol:

MrsJim 05-10-2004 12:36 PM

Quickie!
 
MEL!!!

All I gotta say is, for someone ON DRUGS :devil: your spelling is impeccable!! :lol:

Jeeez...now that we have TWO weekly threads (one at LWL and one at Maintainers) I have to decide what to post at each thread. Don't want to repeat myself...since many of us hang out at both places! :) Ah well, I'll figger it out...

So how was Mom's Day for those of you that celebrate it? ;)

Ilene 05-10-2004 01:19 PM

Mel!! Mother's Day Tummy Tuck!! Lucky You!

Mother's Day for me was pretty much uneventful, but my mother came over and Hubby and Kids made Beer Can Chicken... Take a half-full beer can and stuff it in the chicken and sit it right side up on the BBQ! The steam from the beer cooks the chicken and you but a rub on the skin and under it to make it all-around delicious! With asparagus spears and baked potatoe... Perfection...

Jack I'm going to have to try that Portobell Pizza, sounds delish!

I went to the gym yesterday and did bis/tris and shoulders, funny combo but they were the only body parts left for my week...I biked to the gym then after my workout I went for a 20K ride (12.5miles)... It was gorgeous out!! Today it's NOT, rainy, cloudy, dull...

Mel -- I'm going to the gym too to do legs in a little while...

Meg 05-10-2004 01:21 PM

Quote:

Send your DH's or BF's or LB's over to Men's Forum, I want some traffic.
Duh -- what's a LB? I keep thinking Lower Body ... but I know that's not it.

And Jack -- I doubt that you want me to send DH to the Men's Corner. He's 6' tall, 165 pounds, eats anything he wants, in whatever quantities he wants. He very empathetic and supportive but his brain is just wired completely differently than mine when it comes to food. He'd probably come over to your forum and start asking you guys for a good wine to go with fettucine Alfredo. :lol: Sigh.

Congrats on the new tummy, Mel! You sure waited long enough, but I'm sure it will be well worth the wait.

Ilene -- I'm MEG!!! Not Mel! Trust me, Mel's not doing legs for a while! :lol:

jiffypop 05-10-2004 02:58 PM

for fettucine alfredo, i'd go with a dry white: frascati, pino grigio. not one with a lot of fruit.

<sigh> don't really have time to post right now. gotta go to a meeting.

boiaby 05-10-2004 03:17 PM

Hi guys, I had a good weekend and mother's day. We spent all day Sunday at a local waterslide park. That's something I never would have done when I was bigger but I love it now! We had a blast! I absolutely love the fact that my weight doesn't prevent me (or that I let it) from doing things that I want to do anymore. I desperatly missed being able to ride rollercoasters, etc. at amusement parks when I got too big too fit and now you can't keep me off them when we go! Sometimes I cringe at all the years I spent missing out on these little joys but I've got to leave the past where it is and make sure it never happens again!

Wow, Meliris, a mother's day tummy tuck! You can't really beat that, can you?! I hope all is going well. I really hope I'll be able to do that some day as well. Congratulations! Enjoy your new and improved body!

It sounds like everyone had a pretty nice weekend, except for poor Noodles of course! I hope you feel better soon!

Beverly

dowsx4 05-10-2004 04:17 PM

I had a wonderful mothers day! I went to breakfast with my mother and my brothers family and had half of a ham and cheese omlete once slice of wheat toast and a few homefries!

Mel-I hope you arent in too much pain! I would have loved a mothers day tummy tuck!

Jack-those mushrooms sound great! I am making chicken fajitas tonight with brown rice and lots of salsa.

I made it to the gym for the first time since wednesday and I paid for it today. Not sore just hard to get back into things. I hope everyone had a good monday!

Ilene 05-10-2004 05:42 PM

MeGGGG -- I'm such a :doh:... I tell ya I don't know where my head is sometimes... Here's another good one MeG ... I have a SIL who called her sons Shawn and Shane!! Can you IMAGINE how I can screw that up!! :lol:

I didn't do legs today :( ... I fell asleep instead :nono:... but DH said he'd take me for a wallk later :lol:

Well I have to get going I can hear him doing the dishes because I left the kitchen quickly to not over eat, I think I'm safe now...

Noodles913 05-13-2004 01:57 AM

I'm back!! Well sorta...

I still am not feeling right but I feel a bit better than I did. I think there was honey in the homemade BBQ Sauce for the ribs and that's why I got sick so bad... I was broken out everywhere, itchy, stomach PO'ed at me, etc... I am allergic to honey. That's the only logical explanation I can come up with, other than it's an arthritis flare-up. Maybe both with my luck. :shrug:

Anyhow, I did manage to get out and bowl tonight. We had a roll-off for league championship. And to think all this time I thought we had won it!!! Ahh well..We managed to win the roll off anyhow and took 1st place after all. Tuesday is our banquet and we'll get our goodies then. Yay! Then I will be scarce the weekend of May 21, 22, 23, & 24th as I will be out of town judging our Western Open Regionals. I got my certification #, pin, and T-shirt finally. YAY!!

Tonight I managed to pick up 2 mini-rose bushes for 99 cents! Clearance!! Now I just need to nurse them back to health. :lol:

MrsJim 05-13-2004 11:46 AM

I'm going to try and answer your question Pooks. The thing is, we are all different people and so "your mileage may vary" - KWIM?

I've recommended reading the book Thin for Life by Anne Fletcher so many times that folks here are probably ready to beat me on the head with a pointed stick! :lol: Check your library - I'd bet they have it. It's a great place to start.

In Meg's first-anniversary maintenance thread, I posted an excerpt from the findings of a 1990 study which was quoted in Fumento's The Fat of the Land (another great book BTW):

Quote:

Maintainers made decisions to lose weight and then devised personal weight-loss plans to fit their lives. These plans usually included regular exercise or activity and a new eating style of reduced fat, reduced sugar,more fruits and vegetables, and much less food than previously eaten. Maintainers reported being patient, setting small goals that they could meet, and sticking to their personally devised weight-loss plans. Some used ideas from earlier weight-loss experiences, some used diets from books, but all persisted until new eating patterns were established...However, they did not completely restrict favorite foods and made efforts to avoid feelings of deprivation while changing food patterns.

In contrast, few relapsers (36%) had exercised to help lose weight. They had lost weight by taking appetite supressants, fasting, or going on restrictive diets that they could not sustain. They took diet formulas and went to weight-control groups and programs many times. While dieting they did not permit themselves any of the special foods they enjoyed...
The study results follow - pretty interesting IMO (Please note: What the percentages below signify is what percent of each group used a certain method of weight loss. So the percentages for, say, "Attending Weight Watchers" means that 43% of the relapsers and 10% of the maintainers in the study group attended Weight Watchers as a method of weight loss.):

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Comparision of Weight-Loss Methods Used by Relapsers and Maintainers of Reduced Weight

Devised personal eating plan:
Relapsers - 39%; Maintainers - 73%

Exercised:
Relapsers - 36%; Maintainers - 76%

Attended Weight Watchers:
Relapsers - 43%; Maintainers - 10%

Attended other programs or groups:
Relapsers - 29%; Maintainers - 10%

Followed doctor's orders:
Relapsers - 34%; Maintainers - 20%

Took pills, shots:
Relapsers - 47%; Maintainers - 3%

Fasted:
Relapsers - 11%; Maintainers - 3%

Underwent hypnosis:
Relapsers - 9%; Maintainers - 0%

Followed book, magazine diet:
Relapsers - 25%; Maintainers - 10%

Total methods used:
Relapsers - 121; Maintainers - 28

--Susan Kayman, William Bruvold, and Judith S. Stern, "Maintenance and Relapse after Weight Loss in Women: Behavioral Aspects", American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 52 (November 1990).
I don't personally think of maintenance as hard at this point. There are certain TIMES in the day when it is more difficult than others. For me, that would be in the evening after work - how many of us are accustomed to coming home from work or school and the first place we go is the fridge to see what the Snack Fairy left? Or used to watching prime time TV with a snackie? Well, I'm one of those people...so I have to kind of force myself NOT to do those kind of things. In fact, one of my strategies is to spend as much time OUT OF THE HOUSE as possible - either at the stables, the gym, WORK, going on walks through the neighborhood, the mall (danger area since I do have a tendency to spend...) etc. And sometimes I'll treat myself to a non-food type of thing, like a pedicure or a massage or what have you.

I think another thing that makes maintenance tough for a lot of folks is that they forget where they came from. Being at goal weight for a long time, sometimes you get lazy and forget how yukky it was to be obese. Fortunately for me, I've always been an avid journaler - I have journals dating back to the early 80's when I was totally depressed, poor, FAT and miserable. (I'd have to dig them out). When I got to my highest weight (265) and was keeping my fingers crossed hoping I would be accepted into the Stanford U. study, I wrote PAGES about how terrible I felt, how awful it was to be seen by anyone, how tired I felt at the age of 27 not being able to climb a flight of stairs without getting breathless, how guilty I felt about eating mass quantities of food, how lonely I was...etc. (But on the other hand - I have my HAPPY journals - more pages written as the weight was coming off... :) )

And when you have everyone else around you apparently eating whatever they want...all that crap...you start thinking, well, shoot, I should be able to eat that too, darn it!!! And shoot, I'm not superhuman or anything - sometimes I will have a treat or two, but I try to keep it during the weekends. And I'll make substitutions - instead of Baskin-Robbins ice cream, Jim and I will go to Yumi Yogurt and have nonfat or Carbolite frozen yogurt. Or instead of having HALF a pizza, I'll have one slice and enjoy it. A lot of the trick to losing weight and keeping it off is PORTION CONTROL. Also maintaining healthy habits - like my habit of getting up at 4 am to go work out. Most people think I'm bananas :dizzy: and I KNOW I am, but if that's what it takes to stay at this level, then that's what I'm going to do. And besides, I enjoy it!

I think for me, most of the trick is staying focused and having a positive attitude. And having hobbies other than food.

I'm sure I missed a LOT in my post, but that's what's coming to mind right now...

Meg 05-13-2004 12:31 PM

Why Isn't Maintenance Easier Than Losing?
 
Pookie — you smart little hamster, you — you asked the million dollar question!
Quote:

I have often heard many people (including Meg & Mel) say that maintaining can be just as hard or even harder than the losing stage. Thinking about HOW MANY people regain the weight after the dieting I guess that must be true. I suppose it has to do with the fact that the losing stage eventually comes to an end but the Maintaining Stage goes on and on and on forever.

BUT here is where my question comes in. The other night I was feeling very sorry for myself because right now I am still at the stage where I am doing all the WORK (ie exercising / drinking TUBS of water / resisting the junk food urges time after time after time)( I wish there was no such thing as home delivery!!!!).
BUT I am not yet to the stage where I am getting ANY of the REWARDS (ie people telling me how nice I look / attractive clothes / feeling HEALTHY & ENERGETIC /feeling like a "normal" person who can blend in with a crowd // fit into airline seats comfortably! etc etc).

So I thought at least the "maintainers" have all those rewards already right now. You can enjoy those rewards everyday. So why doesn't that make maintaining easier than losing?
I don’t have the answers but it’s something I think about A LOT because I know the depressing statistics about weight regain for losers. No one goes to all the trouble to lose a lot of weight with the intention of gaining it back. But it happens and I’m just as interested as Pookie in the reasons why.

I agree with everything that Karen wrote and let me throw out a few more thoughts — and hopefully others will add theirs. If we can figure out “why” the dread regain happens, then perhaps we can come up with a strategy to prevent it.

Not as many rewards: right now you’re not seeing any rewards for all your hard work and it’s discouraging. But I bet if you look, they’re there. I know you’re down at least 30 pounds, probably more by now. Your clothes have to be a little looser. If you look at a photo from a few months ago, I bet there’s a difference. I'm guessing people can see it in your face (that’s first for most of us). Soon the rewards will come fast and furious for you — clothes, compliments, energy, all those good things you talk about. For now you kind of have to go on faith that they’re coming (and they are!)

Once you’re maintaining, the rewards are a little different. True, you’re at your goal weight, which to me is a gift I’ll never grow tired of. BUT … the compliments dry up. Everyone’s used to the “new you”. The scale never budges (downward, at least), regardless of how much you exercise and eat right. You’re not changing clothes sizes every month. And that all leads to …

Complacency: Karen wrote a great post about the dangers of complacency recently: http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37148 It’s like Karen said in her post:
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I think another thing that makes maintenance tough for a lot of folks is that they forget where they came from. Being at goal weight for a long time, sometimes you get lazy and forget how yukky it was to be obese.
I'm only three years away from obesity and I swear to God I’ll never forget how it felt — but it probably will fade a bit over time. And then it’s tempting to fall into the “one bite won’t hurt”/"I can get rid of five extra pounds" syndrome ... and then it sneaks back on.

Long term: it’s for the rest of our lives and for me, at least, maintenance takes considerable thought and planning. I still plan my meals, weigh, measure, journal etc. Hopefully it’ll get easier, like Karen says. But it gets tiresome and sometimes I just want a :censored: vacation — be mindless and just mindlessly eat. Just for one lousy day.

Wanting to be “normal”: Karen’s right; we look around and the rest of the world seems to be constantly eating all the stuff we can't and we get mad and/or jealous. Why can’t we go out to dinner and just eat “normally”? Why are we scrutinizing the menu for good choices and ordering dressing on the side and passing by the bread and dessert when no one else is? I have to remind myself that “normal” in our country is now overweight and obese (65% of the adult population). Being a healthy weight is now a minority -- wow! So much for wanting to be “normal”, eh?

Stress: most of us eat in response to stress (I’ve personally never understood someone who says they’re “too upset to eat” :lol: ). It’s self-medication in a way and when life throws us a curve, we reach for our drug of choice. I suspect that stressful events can take even the most dedicated maintainers and throw them back into destructive eating patterns.

So those are my thoughts about why maintenance -- for me, at least -- seems to be harder than losing. All the work and none of the glory! :D But seriously, Pookie, I think that both losing and maintaining weight are hard work. Anyone who tells you that losing weight is "easy, quick, and painless" is kidding you. Same with maintenance. But both are totally worth it and I know you'll be seeing it yourself very, very soon. :)

SeekInnerThinChick 05-13-2004 03:02 PM

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Why can’t we go out to dinner and just eat “normally”? Why are we scrutinizing the menu for good choices and ordering dressing on the side and passing by the bread and dessert when no one else is?
Well.... yesterday I was walking around downtown Portland for hours, and I made a point of looking at what the cute chicks were eating. There's a trendy restaurant every 10 feet in Portland, so it wasn't difficult. And you know what? The cool chicks in Prada shoes and expensive shrunken blazers are eating exotic looking salads, with artistically carved veggies and edible flowers. They have lovely little Japanese porcelain cups filled with low-calorie salad dressing on the side, and they drink exotic mineral waters and green tea. Their main course might be 3 ounces of mahi-mahi with more artsy veggies, decorated with a painterly swirl of beet puree on the plate. And no dessert, except possibly some bizarre fruit that looks like it's from another planet.

Meanwhile Mr. and Mrs. Normal are chowing down on KFC or pizza or nachos, and they are HUGE. So it seems to me that almost NOBOODY can eat like a horse and get away with it forever-- it just catches up with you eventually, even if you are active. It certainly did for me. I'm convinced that slim people (at least the healthy ones) behave somewhat like maintainers. It's a way of life, and not just for the formerly fat.

2sw33t 05-13-2004 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack-150
People speak to me as if my struggle with weight has been won. They tell me how proud they are of me and what I have accomplished. But if I had started out at 6' 240 lbs I would and am still considered grossly overweight. Sometimes I could just reach out and shake them for talking like the battle is won.

I can relate to that! Sometimes I feel guilty telling people that, yes, I'm still trying to lose weight. People think that because I'm so much smaller than I was before, I can't possibly have any more to lose. I think they just can't conceive of me, a formerly obese person, as a non-overweight person. But that's what I'm going to be, no matter what they think. :p

MrsJim 05-13-2004 03:17 PM

Pooks - regarding the mall spending...I must say that my hubby Jim is *much* worse than I am in that respect... :)

When we got our tax refund this year, I spent a portion of it at the Limited on some really cute and BADLY needed tops, and bought a DKNY skirt at Nordstrom. (thank God for the casual office...).

Generally if I have a 'clothes jones' I go to Old Navy. Or sometimes the clearance section of State Line Tack (the website - we don't have a SLT store here in the Big City unfortunately). Went to Old Navy just a week or so ago and got out of there only spending like $30, on some cute beach capris and marked-down T-shirts...

Meg 05-13-2004 03:44 PM

Hi 2sw33t! Glad you're de-lurking (saw you at LWL too)! ;)

That quote of Jack's just jumped off the page at me too! It drives me nuts when people congratulate me for losing the weight like it's over and done with -- I doubt that it will EVER be finished and "the battle won", as Jack so correctly put it.

I get up every morning and fight the same battle over and over again. It's all about making good choices and saying "no" a hundred times a day, as we've talked about here before.

I think I'm prouder now of KEEPING the weight off for two years, but I'm never going to get a "congratulations" for that (except from you guys! :) ).

Pook -- about eating a bit of something you're craving vs. staying away from it entirely: that's an excellent example of how we're all different when it comes to food and diets. There's no right answer for everyone and we all have to find our own way.

Be sure to come back and share some of those "little rewards" with us! And Pook, about having faith, even when you can't see (or believe) that it's going to happen -- I've got the song "There Will Come A Day" by Faith Hill on my MP3 player and I listened to it every day at the gym while I was losing. It became my song to help me believe that my day WOULD come:
Quote:

There Will Come a Day
It's not easy
Trying to understand
How the world can be so cold
Stealing the souls of man
Cloudy skies rain down
On all your dreams
You wrestle with the fear and doubt
Sometimes it's hard, but you gotta believe

There's a better place
Where our Father waits
And every tear
He'll wipe away
The darkness will be gone
The weak shall be strong
Hold on to your faith
There will come a day
There will come a day

Wars are raging
Lives are shattered
Innocence is lost
And hopes are scattered
The old are forgotten
The children are forsaken
In this world we're living in
Isn't anything sacred

There's a better place
Where our Father waits
And every tear
He'll wipe away
The darkness will be gone
The weak shall be strong
Hold on to your faith
There will come a day
There will come a day

Song will ring out
Down those golden streets
The voices of earth
The angels will sing
Every knee will bow
Sin will have no trace
In the glory of His amazing grace
Every knee will bow
Sin will have no trace
In the glory of His amazing grace
There will come a day
There will come a day
Oh, there will come a day
There will come a day
I know there's coming a day
Coming a day

Noodles913 05-14-2004 10:51 AM

Happy Friday!!
 
:coffee2: Good Morning Folks!! Going to be 96° here and :sunny: !!!

I have a busy day...Have to run a bazillion errands, then off to dinner and ball game with some friends. Thank goodness hubby gets off early. He gets the title of "Mr. Chauffeur". I still can't drive yet or I would go yard saling!! Pfooey!!! I am going to try to get on the "morning" schedule this week. I have a tournament to judge next Saturday and my butt drags when I don't get enough sleep the night before. 10 hours + 1000+ screaming kids = EARPLUGS!!! :yikes: But I really enjoy the tournaments/judging...I wouldn't do this if I didn't.

Meg: I LOVE that song. It's powerful. And your right..it's never over. I think thats why some people gain the weight back..."Oh I did it!! I reached my goal! Now what??" & they fall back into the old habits. I know I did last time I dropped 60 pounds. The difference this time around is I changed the old habits first before I started this weight loss journey.

Jack: http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies...1/animal30.gif Survivor sings one of my favorite ballads. "The Search Is Over." I have Jim Jamesons autograph around here somewhere...Got it at the fair one night back in the early 80s.

Pookie: Hi POOKIE!!!! Here's a pookie bear for ya!! http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies...rfield0034.gif

Have a good day everybody!! Here's a cute smiley for ya...
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jiffypop 05-14-2004 11:24 AM

i'm so far behind with my posting!!!! but i do have another point or two about rewards, pookie. i've found that the real reward isn't having people compliment me, or having looser clothes. but rather it's the feeling i have of being in conrol. oh of course there are slips. stress eating is a big issue for me. but fortunately the TV time isn't a problem. and i'm with karen on being out of the house. that equals getting away from the stress for me.

substituting different behaviors and realizing that they're even more satisfying than eating is a REAL REWARD. knitting something beautiful in a luscious yarn satisfies that sensual aspect that i need.

so i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's important to realize why you want to eat, what you're REALLY looking for, and making sure that you get what you REALLY want and need. 99% of the time [and that 1% is reserved for when you are hungry!!!] it's not reallly the food you want. it's something else.

and congrats on the doc's compliments!!!! i suspect you now have a very very strong ally in your corner for your surgery and aftercare. make hiim give you what you want, need, and deserve.

gotta go to a meeting... more later, i hope

SeekInnerThinChick 05-14-2004 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jiffypop
substituting different behaviors and realizing that they're even more satisfying than eating is a REAL REWARD. knitting something beautiful in a luscious yarn satisfies that sensual aspect that i need.

Oh, definitely. I've been meaning to get back into knitting, I've got some silk yarn stashed-- but that's more of a winter thing for me. Anything artistic that feeds the SOUL is great-- painting, sculpture, music, gardening (especially flowers).

And clothes-- it's so hard to find clothes that fit in the mass market, no matter what your size. Yet it's deeply satisfying to put together colors, textures, and shapes that work... and that kind of pleasure is harder to get when you're really fat, as the quality is often appalling and the fabrics tend to be loud frumpy polyester garmento-dreck. Which is so sad, because the last thing a larger woman needs is something that looks cheap, sleazy, and undignified.

OTOH I went into a true designer shop yesterday and looked at Pucci and Prada-- and gosh that stuff is not worth what they are asking! Poorly finished buttonholes, skimpy seams, badly hanging shoulders... quality has taken a dive since the last time I really looked hard at the market. The best values seem to be in the smaller lines, the ones specializing in tailoring, such as Dana Buchman and Anne Klein, and they can be pretty reasonable on sale. Give me a great jacket, Old Navy jeans, killer heels, and I'm good to go.

Mel 05-14-2004 05:24 PM

Funny, but I find I'm always REALLY hungry. I've been really hungry for 3 years. It's not always a matter of head hunger, though that's often a factor for me too. I eat bucketsful of vegetables and salads and what most would consider a more than adequate amount of protein, but I'm still physically hungry :shrug: I've just accepted the fact that this is the way it's going to be. I'm not losing weight at this point, so I think these are just meaningless mis-wired brain signals.

Seek- I really don't think the ultra exclusive designer clothes were ever "worth" their prices in terms of quality That's not the point. The worth for those who wear them is that most others can't afford them.

Mel

SeekInnerThinChick 05-14-2004 09:50 PM

Yes, there's certainly the status element. But those brands used to be very, very good, and now it's just <insert yiddish curse word here>. There seems to be a real race to the bottom in clothing, and that spells trouble for the women who make this stuff-- the pittance that they get. The better houses used to pay better, even by the piece. Now several different lines, at several different price points, are contracted out to the same factory, and the ladies don't get the differential. And it shows in the work. I'd gladly pay union, but it's getting very hard to find.

Ilene 05-15-2004 12:12 AM

Pook, I've been thinking of your post since I read it a couple of days ago, but have been too busy to reply... Alot of what the girls said is exactly what I wanted to say so I won't repeat it. I also didn't feel justified to answer because I have never been obese. I don't consider a size 14 obese altho it's not a healthy weight to be at at 5'3", and that's where I was a year ago...

What truly hit me about your post is :

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BUT I am not yet to the stage where I am getting ANY of the REWARDS (ie people telling me how nice I look / attractive clothes / feeling HEALTHY & ENERGETIC /feeling like a "normal" person who can blend in with a crowd // fit into airline seats comfortably! etc etc).
I will never look at an obese person in the same manner again after knowing you, Meg and Karen. I can fit in airline seats, blend in a crowd, people do tell me how nice I look even at a size 14. I feel ashamed now for all the thoughts I've ever had about an obese person. You have made me see that and for that I thank you...

Like the song says, There WILL come a day! Specially if you are doing all the right things like your are, cardio, weights, clean eats... It HAS to happen, it just HAS too. I just hope I'm still here, which I probably will be, to see it happen for you... :grouphug:

Noodles913 05-15-2004 08:27 AM

Good Morning!!
 
Well I had a nice time at the ball game. We went to see the Tucson Sidewinders play. They are the triple A league for the Diamondbacks. They won of course!!! I managed to score a frisbee and 4 more tickets for a later game. I'll invite my soul-cousin and his G/F to the next game. We always have a ball. :smug:

I did o.k. with the eats. I had a BBQ Beef sandwich and cole slaw & some kettle popcorn & lots of water of course. Then we went to the night swap meet and walked around for 1½ hours. I scored on the vegetables there. Bought 4 cucumbers, 4 tomatoes, 4 onions, 1 head of lettuce, & 2 avocados for $5.25!! The tomatoes would cost me that alone at the grocery store. Plus the veggies at the swappers seem a bit fresher than the grocery store ones. By the time we left, I had sucha bad headache from my eyes that I came home and went straight to bed. They are healing better & faster than expected so they are outgrowing the temporary glasses I have.

So my "trying to get back on the morning schedule" is semi-working. Although I only slept from 11:30 am till 4:30 am. Today my only plans are to clean the rat cages and take the kid to the kid ID fair. Hopefully I can talk the hubby into some tennis later. :D If not then I'll just go for a walk and a swim. I'm starting to get "flappy" again...can't let that happen!! No No!! :no:

Have a good day/weekend all!!! Drink your water. :)

Ilene 05-15-2004 09:16 AM

Pookster -- Once AGAIN your post hit me! Because now when I do see someone overweight I think or wonder how she's doing on her workout or foodplan. Specially when I see them at the gym and later at the store. And who cares what the thin people think anyways. Like me they may be thinking that they saw you not long ago and you've lost weight or thre is something different about you. Have you thought of that one? BTW I WILL be around to cheer you!!

Hi Jack :wave: You're right there should be a sign in the unimportant isles! :lol:

Noodles -- How you doing? I guess I don't need to ask you that! You are just smokin' there and you seem to have everything under control these days even with the eye surgery... Lucky you no glasses, I wish! I wear, GP contact lenses only because I MUST. I too in a few years will need eye surgery, a corneal transplant...Yuck! I am so not looking forward to that! I hope it's a long ways away I won't think about it now...


Later all!

Noodles913 05-15-2004 10:02 AM

Hi, Lanaii!
 
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Originally Posted by Lanaii1
Noodles -- How you doing? I guess I don't need to ask you that! You are just smokin' there and you seem to have everything under control these days even with the eye surgery... Lucky you no glasses, I wish! I wear, GP contact lenses only because I MUST. I too in a few years will need eye surgery, a corneal transplant...Yuck! I am so not looking forward to that! I hope it's a long ways away I won't think about it now..



I am hanging in there. I still have to get contacts, but I will be GLAD to be rid of glasses!! Well I will get a spare pair just in case but...all be damned if I will wear them unless necessary!! I have been in glasses almost all of my life because my eye muscles were so badly damaged from injuries that contacts would of still not let me see right. They had a prism in my glasses. The eye surgery repaired the muscles and took my eyes to where I won't need the prism anymore, and thus no glasses. No cross-eyes. No more double vision. Yippee!! Now its just 1 big blur instead of 2 blurs. :lol: I will appreciate and love my contacts. :yes: Until I can go find out about LAZIK that is.. :lol:

Noodles913 05-16-2004 02:15 PM

The sun's out and it's already 86° @ 10:30 am here. Welcome to Arizona. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies.../2/happy48.gif

Wow. I actually slept 8 hours through the night!! YAY!! Maybe there is hope for the "morning schedule" after all. :cool: I think it has alot to do with the fact that I exercised my butt off yesterday. I feel good today too!! I usually wake up really stiff and swollen from "authur-itis" but today...barely none of that at all!! Guess this means I better keep exercising. :lol:

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies...haracter57.gif I am off and running again today...I've hardly been home in the past 3 days...and here we go again.....wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! Fortunately I won't be running as long as yesterday. Hubby gets tired of chauffeuring me around. :lol:

:wave:

Sweater Girl 05-16-2004 05:43 PM

I had a good weekend, I had my free meal and this girl who doesn't know I worked out was impressed with my shoulder muscles (she's a gym rat too). We went dancing last night so I wore a top that emphasized my shoulder (plus a top I wouldn't get overheated in). It was a bit of a meat market though.

A small victory for me has occured. I started binging again 2.5 years ago on and off and ever since I started this low-refined sugar lifestyle I haven't had any incling to binge at all.. So it's been 4 weeks. The longest I have gone in the past 2.5 years has been 2.5 weeks.. I am feeling so empowered and am working to make this permanent.

Cheers!

Ali

Ilene 05-16-2004 08:54 PM

Congrats Ali :high: that "empowered" feeling is the best! Keep it up!


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