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Feel a little silly but what are taquitos? I'm with Wiffel, Fiddler, just post what you've been doing. I had another good day probably because I didn't cook much again. My daughter wanted to order pizza which I don't eat so I did. We had been shopping and I didn't feel much like cooking anyway. I have to take the car in for alignment soon so better stop now. Keep posting, everyone!!!!
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Today wasn't the greatest day so far, but I doubt I each much the rest of the day. Now that I have moved i am going to try and head back to the swimming. If I can unpack I should be able to find my stuff. no walk yet.
Small problem. When I want something "in my mouth" but not hungry I suck on my water bottle. Problem being I seem to be constantly going to the bath room. |
Well home now, hungry so I am eating.....lol...just wanted to post and hope everyone had a good day...
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Obi, good to see your eating when you are hungry!! My day was so so. I know I ate a donut that I didn't really want. But I did realize that some foods have lost their power, like brownies and ice cream. I think it is true that if you eat lot of something you get tired of it no matter what some people say. I may not get to check in for a few days so have a good weekend. Praying for you all.
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Well a few nice things have happened. I haven't done my monthly weigh in so no idea if I have lost weight, but some good things have happened.
Went out a few times to dinner and came back with a nice size of left overs both times. Smeone at work gave away 2 big choclate bars (the kind they sell to raise money for schools) and I wasn't interested in either. Funny thing, they were on a diet. :carrot: |
Way to go Obi!!!!
I've been doing well. Today is my DH's b-day I made an ice-cream cake that he loves but in cupcake style. I'll tell ya it was just the right amount and not over the top. Yum. The recipe is Oreo dessert cups (I used his favorite ice-cream. They worked out great. The recipe is on cooks.com. If you try it enjoy! Talk to you all soon |
As some of you may remember, I don't weigh myself. The lady at Curves does, but I don't let her tell me my weight. However, she asked me on Friday if she could tell me what my average weight loss per week is, so I said OK. And my average loss has been 4 pounds per week. I was pretty surprised. I figured it was maybe 2 pounds per week.
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Fiddler, I don't weigh myself either and I don't allow the doctor to tell me when I go in. I stand on the scale backwards. Regardless, I would be thrilled to have the kind of loss that you are having. Hooray!
We went to the State Fair today, and had a great time. Of course this is Texas so fried foods are a badge of honor around here. I thought for sure my husband would cave and get some fried oreos or fried twinkies, and he did not. He has been upset about his weight and so has cut back and I think he is actually depressed about his middle. Anyway, we went the whole day without buying any food at the fair. There are samples of little things (like a tablespoon or two of soup, a 1" square biscuit, tiny things) and that was all we had for 10 hours, some samples. Plus, loads of walking! |
It is so encouraging to see you all doing well. I'm at my sons and all I can say is vacations are difficult...........food everywhere. But I'll be home toninght, Lord willing, and back to normal. Fiddler, that is so exciting about your loss. Keep us posted.
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Back home now. I haven't weighed yet. Think I'll wait a few days. Ha! This is the latest from the Thintuition newsletter by Rob Stevens.
Anne Battershell has been following her thintuition since February and says, "Thintuition is it for me. It makes perfect sense and it works. I've lost 58.5 pounds. When I began the program in mid-January I was very unhappy with how I looked, my low energy level, and restricted flexibility. I had worked with a personal trainer for a year 2-3 times per week trying, unsuccessfully, to shift the weight with exercise. I was not and am not a person to be told what or when to eat by ANYONE. Food is pleasure; food is life. I won't be deprived. Using thintuition I can have my cake and be thinner." A thintuition online member, Barb reports, "If anyone had told me two months ago that I would be able to eat anything I wanted to eat and still lose weight, I would have laughed at them. Likewise, if you had told me I could have an opened a partially eaten bag of potato chips on my shelf or a partially eaten container of Cherries Garcia in my freezer without “needing” to devour all of them, I would have thought you were rather odd. But in the last two months, I have eaten Giordano’s stuffed pizza, gyros, bratwurst, potato chips and Cherries Garcia, along with “normal” food, and I have lost 15 pounds! I had already figured out that diets don’t work, but with Rob’s thintuition® I learned how to change my thought patterns, recognize when I was really hungry, eat what I wanted to eat and to then stop eating when I was not hungry." Thanks, Barb Additionally, Barb's son-in-law sent me a very inspiring note, that Barb did not know he wrote. Hello, I am Barb's son-in-law, and my wife and I live with her. You have an excellent program, and I'm so thankful for how you've helped my mother-in-law. My wife and I have been encouraging her to see herself as beautiful for years, but she just couldn't see herself that way. Thanks to your program, she's starting to. It isn't just the weight loss either. Yes, she lost weight, but the real change was in her mind. You helped her see that she didn't have to change who she was to be who she wanted to be. Most every other program I've heard of is so extreme. They require the willpower of a Buddhist monk, or the metabolism of a pro athlete. Yours is so reasonable and sensible. There's no reason that anyone couldn't follow your program and loose weight. Maybe it wouldn't be the enormous amounts promised by the "miracle programs," but realistically, most people don't need that, and those who do would be better served by going to a doctor than going on some fad diet or insane regiment. Eat what you want when you're hungry, stop when you're not. How lovely! Engage in some sensible exercise, but don't get crazy about it. Thank you again for giving Barb this gift of herself! I hope many more people will follow your program and similarly find themselves. |
Hey Ladies. Life has been a little hectic, but not bad.
Thursday is weigh in day. I have to deal with the evil post office people Tomorrow. OT-I just moved from NY to new jersey and I have to get a mailbox fom the post office rather than the condo association. I put in the change of address form as well as a form to have them hold my mail. Also I can't check the mailbox until they give me a key. They haven't been holding the mail. Some mail has been returned to sender and I don't have a key..... So no mail anywhere in 3 weeks. Most of my correspondnce and bill paying is online so it isn't horrible, but still...blah....ok needed to get that out. Eating is pretty ok. Rarely overeat now, although I am still going smaller and smaller on my portions. Amazed that I used to super size and biggie size everything, couldn't imagine doing that now. I've decided to stop with the water. Tired of the constant going to the bathroom. How is everyone else doing. |
After thought...
Something else that has happened. I have started to ignore appetizers and filler food because I want to eat what I orderer rather than something to stop being hungry. |
Oh boy I needed that extra boost today. - Thanksfor the inspiration. I started to slip back into diet mode freaking out about all the calories etc. Well I know you all can guess what happend. I ended up over eating and KNEW I wasn't hungry and KNEW I was eating for reasons other then hunger but I did it anyway. So, will my belly nice and "over full" I take a deep breath - shake it off and start again. So, they say if you say it out loud or to someone you'll keep to your goal. Mine is a simple one. Eat when I'm hungry - stop when the hunger disapears.
Wish me luck all - I've skidded off track and now I'm getting back. |
Oh, to be as close to goal as you, Ladybug! Obi, let us know how the weigh in goes. I sort of keep a water glass near as I have dealt with a lot of kidney problems.
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The Caloric Difference Between Being Satisfied, Full, and Stuffed
Here's an excerpt from an interesting article I found:
Originally Posted by : I'm taking it with a grain of salt, because he didn't cite which studies he was talking about. If anyone knows of studies that arrived at these conclusions, I would be interested in looking at them. |
Did you order the book, Fiddler? I printed off the article because it is 6 pages. Looks interesting.
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Hey all,
I havnt posted in awhile but wanted to share what was going on with me and intuitive eating. I still overeat sometimes, but I dont really care anymore...most of the time I eat when hungry, and stop when full...I eat crud sometimes, and sometimes I dont. I eat fast food 3 days a week (i work 3 X week and only have 1/2 hr for lunch so I usually have about 1/2 a chicken burrito from taco bell)...Ive only been "stuffed" once recently. The good news.....im 3 lbs from goal. Im down to 122 now, wearing a size 4 (baggy). I thought with only having 10-15 lbs left to lose, maybe intuitive eating wasnt going to work for me...but im pretty consistantly losing 1/2 to 1 lb a week and feeling fine. Im not worrying about water, calories, fiber, nutrition etc. What I have noticed is that I'll eat lightly for 3 days or so, and eat more on the 4th...on and on....just not sweating it. Im working out still..mostly because I love how my back dosnt hurt when im keeping up with it....and hate how my back and neck start killing me when im not. I just wanted to share :). Hope everyone is doing great. |
Carol,
Which book did you mean? |
The Mike Mentzer book on the site you posted. Wow! Button Ewe, that is quite encouraging. Any extra tips for us to get the scale moving again?
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Fiddler, Here is some similar info from another thread here at 3fc.
The Wendie Plan is very simple. You follow a simple plan of eating. You eat your regular foods that you have on WW. You work within your point range. You drink the water, get some exercise, etc., etc., etc. What is different? You alternate the amount of points you use each day. What could be more simple? Let us assume for a moment that your point range falls between 22-29 points per day. (This is based on the original 123 plan, not the "Winning Points" plan) WW says that you can eat up to 29 points every day, and still lose weight. Do you? Maybe. Maybe not. Ever notice that on some days you aren't very hungry and on other days you feel you could eat all the points in the universe? After doing extensive research, I have discovered several things that don't always ring true. At this point, if you are someone who has been doing the program and losing a steady 2+ pounds per week, you don't have to read on any further. Your body is doing what it needs to for you to lose weight. If you are struggling to drop a pound, and no matter how hard you have tried the pounds won't shake loose? Read on...this is for you. First of all, just because you eat within the points you have been assigned, drink all of your water, exercise at least 20 minutes every day, journal till the cows come home... does not mean that you will lose weight. I don't mean to depress you, but it is the truth. We have countless people here, myself included, who can attest to this. They try really hard, but week after week they are struggling to even lose part of a pound. I see it all the time. So... what are they doing wrong? Oddly enough, they are doing one tiny little thing wrong. It is one tiny, insignificant thing, but it is keeping them from losing weight faster and at a steady rate. The secret to The Wendie Plan is simple. Alternate your points daily. At the start of your week, alternate the number of points you eat daily. Your rhythm of your week should look like this: low/high/low/very high/very low/high/med. high. For example. If your range allows you to eat between 22-29 points per day: Day 1 - 22 points Day 2 - 28 points Day 3 - 23 points Day 4 - 36-39 points Day 5 - 22 points Day 6 - 29 points Day 7 - 27 points On the WW plan, 22-29 points per day, you will eat between 154 points (low end) 203 points (high end) during the course of the week. On the Wendie Plan, you will eat 190 points during the course of the week. Which falls towards the high end of the range, but not the highest. (Adjust the points to fit your current range). We have already seen some amazing results using the Wendie Plan. I developed this plan out of sheer frustration. After being on WW for 17 months, and having lost no weight in the last 9 months of program, but being too stubborn to actually quit, I found myself pouring over 17 months of anally kept journals, trying to find the one key which would unlock my door to success. In the first 8 months I was successful. I lost 40 pounds. What happened then to impede my progress? I was still following the program in every way. I was doing everything right, but experiencing no weight loss. Why? Why, indeed? The most interesting aspect of my journey came at the end of May, 2000. I weighed in on WW and had reached a 40 pound loss. I decided I was close enough to a 50 pound loss and I wanted to reach it by the 4th of July. That was a reachable goal. So I worked even harder. I dropped my points down to 25 per day, and began exercising more. Everyday I was outside walking through parks or in the fitness center hitting the treadmill. At the end of 5 weeks, I had a net gain of 1.2 pounds! Muscle? To some degree, yes. But, as I never began to look like Arnold Schwarztenager, I realized that something had gone terribly wrong. I had "shrunk" a bit, which was to be expected, but still, at the end of 5 weeks, I was heavier. I continued. I worked out everyday, and kept my points down. This has got to work, right? Not necessarily. At the end of the next 5 weeks, I was down exactly 1.2 pounds. So my net loss for the 10 weeks after Memorial Day was zero! I continued to work very hard, and by September, I had played around with the same 3 pounds all summer. Up, down, up, down but never gone for good. In October, I celebrated 1 year of WW, by maintaining my 40 pound loss for four months! What was up with this? I stopped attending WW meetings in October, because first, I was making no headway, and I became so depressed at Monday's weigh-ins that it took until Tuesday afternoon to snap back out of it; and second, I did not get the support I needed through WW. They simply had no answers as to why I was not losing weight even though I was working the program very conscientiously. At the last couple of weigh-ins, when I was going up a pound each week, I got the general impression that my leader felt that I was not really working the program. At that point, I walked out for good. I tried several things between Halloween and Christmas to shake some pounds loose, but to no avail. I then went back to WW the day after Christmas. It is interesting to note what happened. First, I didn't start the program that first week. I weighed in on Tuesday, and then rather half-heartedly began the program on Friday. When I weighed in on Tuesday, I was down 3.5 pounds! I buckled down and worked very hard on program the next week. I measured everything, exercised, drank my water, and journaled every bite. The following Monday I weighed in and I had GAINED 2 pounds! What is up with that? It didn't take very long for me to see that going to WW was not going to help me. My body was being incredibly stubborn and was not going to let me lose this weight. Do you see a pattern forming here? In addition to having 17 months of journals, I also have kept a spreadsheet of my weight losses. I began pouring over my journals and comparing what I did on certain weeks to the amount of weight I lost at the end of that particular week. I made an astonishing discovery. I have always been a moderate loser. Meaning, I usually lost about a pound a week. Other people may lose 3 pounds a week, but I usually lost a pound, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. But I was very consistent in losing. There were some weeks, however, when I did lose more than a pound per week. Interestingly, the weeks I had my biggest losses were weeks when I overate! The weeks were Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years! Christmas Day I ate 43 points! I lost 4.75 pounds that week! Upon further studies, I discovered something else. Every week that I overate one day, I had larger than average losses! How can that be? It has long been thought that you have use 3500 calories less than you need in order to lose one pound. I simply don't believe it. I know it is mathematical, and mathematics was never my strongest subject, but science has always been an area in which I have excelled. I believe that our bodies are far more complicated than a simple mathematical formula can describe. The body is like a fireplace. If you build a fire, at first it takes awhile to warm up. You add more fuel and it burns more efficiently. The more fuel you add to it, the hotter it burns. Add less fuel, and it begins to cool down. Our bodies were built for survival. If you go on a "diet" the body can become uncomfortable. This is especially true if you take so much food away from it that it feels as if it is going to starve. There is a lot of talk about not eating too little. Your body will go into "starvation mode" and you won't lose any weight. Well, to a point, this is true. Your body will lose weight if you starve it, but it won't want to, and it will take the weight from places you don't necessarily want to lose it from. That is why some people who lose a lot of weight look "gaunt", and is far more likely to hear comments like "have you been sick"? as opposed to "You look good!" Why does "The Wendie Plan" work? Your body has this wonderful little thermostat inside of it. It regulates everything you do. If you feed it lots of food, it turns the thermostat up and burns it as efficiently as possible. This is why you have been able to eat as much fast food before WW and didn't gain the amount of weight that you should have. Your body became more efficient and was able to burn off much of the excess amount of calories. Otherwise, with the amount of food we porked in pre-WW, we should have been gaining 2-3 pounds per day! When you go on a "diet" where you dramatically decrease the amount of calories that you consume, your body thinks "Oh-oh, we're going to starve to death here" and immediately turns the thermostat down to conserve energy. After all, your body will do whatever it has to do to ensure that you stay alive. It doesn't know that you don't want to carry those extra pounds around. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to convince my body that I really do want to shed those extra pounds through talking to it. That is where The Wendie Plan comes in. If I can't get my body to shed the extra pounds by talking to it, then I have to trick it in to letting them go! The Wendie Plan is the trick. If you are on WW, or even just counting calories, and you stick with a set amount of calories per day, such as 1400 or say, 27 points per day, your body will adjust to that. It will become extremely efficient at using just the amount of calories (energy) that you are giving it. You may lose fairly well at first, but after the first week or so, you will find that your losses may slow ... way... down, and even stop. Isn't it nice to have such an energy efficient body? However, the body isn't extremely fast. If you give it the same amount of food every day, it will adjust itself. But if you change the amount of food it gets every day, it doesn't have time to adjust itself! Which means on that day that you eat 10 points over your highest, it tries to adjust by turning up your thermostat, but it is unable to turn it down for the low points the next day. What you are doing, in essence, is keeping your body guessing. It doesn't have time to adjust the thermostat down, before it needs to turn it back up. What eventually happens is your body will never again feel as though it is going to starve to death, and it will never again try to shut down the thermostat, so you will continue to lose at a more rapid loss. This also means fewer plateaus. Some people are aghast at the thought of actually eating 10 points over their maximum. I know, its the hardest part for me, too. Again, I just have to plan higher point meals for those days and make sure I actually follow through. If the huge point day isn't done, then the body will not turn the thermostat up high enough. It is all a formula which has to be adhered to high points, as well as low point days. What about exercise points? What about them? I never use them. I just know that I don't plan any big exercise on my low points days. If I am going on an 8 mile hike, I will probably do it on my high or super-high day, so that I can take advantage of the extra fuel to get me through the exercise. I think WW was using the activity points as a carrot to get people to exercise. More activity, more food. I don't believe in that. Eat what your body needs. Exercise plays a good role in this plan, because exercising increases your metabolic rate. (Which turns up the thermostat even more!) So does increased muscle. Arrange your high point days on the days that you exercise. Or better yet, arrange your exercise around your high point days. My high point days usually fall mid-week. But why? It makes more sense to me to have my highest point day fall on Saturday. That is the most likely day that I will be doing an 8 mile hike. Fit this plan into your lifestyle. |
Forgot to say, Fiddler, I thought that article was very interesting.
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Regarding the water....
I have decided to ease off. I drink when I have a meal and when I am actually thirsty and I stop when I'm not....basically including liquids in the IE. I tend towards water a fruit juice. |
I didn't have to fix supper last night and that always helps me. My dh and dd werer working in the barn getting ready to work all the new calves before winter. He didn't want a long dinner so I warmed up leftovers for him. That only works about once a week unless he's really busy. I am hungriest at noon. Years ago my family always had the big meal at noon but then somewhere along the line it got changed. When I say family I mean my mom and dad and brother. I woke in the night really hungry again so came down stairs to the kitchen and had some soy milk. I just can't sleep when my tummy hurts like that. I'm glad I did because I went right back to sleep instead of tossing and turning otherwise. I don't count my water either, Obi, but that's about all I dirink except for soy milk.
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Carol,
No, I didn't buy any of his books, although they did look intriguing. The article on the Wendie plan was very interesting. I've been doing basically the same thing. Even though I don't actually count point or calories, I have a pretty good idea of how many calories are in most things I eat. I make an effort not to eat the same things every day, and if I'm busy and don't have time to eat a meal, or if I'm just not hungry at mealtime, I skip it. Conversely, I don't stress out about eating out. I've been eating out a couple times a week the whole time I've been on my plan, and I'm still maintaining a good rate of weightloss. (I don't generally order rabbit food when I eat out either; one of my favorite meals is a huge wet burrito referred to on the menu as a "Beached Whale", LOL. Of course I do manage to stretch it into two or three meals.) So basically I have naturally fallen into a pattern of calorie-cycling, which is what the Wendie plan is. On a more depressing note, I found out today my job is going away in a few months. This is one more piece of bad news I really didn't need on top of everything else that has happened in the last few months. :( |
I gained some weight while we were on a trip last week and feeling pretty down about it. I noticed when we were driving.......10hr.......that there is something about that........I just feel like eating. But then you also are at the mercy of other people's eating schedules when you are visiting people so that's another aspect. I just seem to do better at home.
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Carol,
Generally people tend to retain fluid when they travel too, so some of it could be water retention. Try not to be discouraged about it. I got a little bit of good news--it looks like my job going away isn't a certainty. Just a maybe. |
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Hello! Just wanted to pop in and say hello. I am currently reading Intuitive Eating and am finding it amazing. While I am excited about letting go of all the diet mentality, I gotta tell you girls, I am scared to death!!! I have dieted my entire life, from the age of 12. So the idea behind not holding back on those "forbidden foods" is so foreign to me. However, I realize now that I just cannot go on like this. I cannot even fathom the idea of yet another diet. No way. No how.
On a positive note, yesterday I started practicing listening to my real hunger. I was utterly amazed at just how often I am NOT hungry! I also took alot of comfort in knowing that the food in the cupboard was mine if I wanted it. The key being, that I really had to be hungry to have it. What a freeing experience it was and I'll tell you, I think I slept better last night than I have ever. Feels like a giant weight's been lifted off my shoulders! While I understand that I have a very long way to go in grasping this concept completely, I am truly thrilled that I can finally live without a diet. I know there will be ups and downs along the way in understanding my self and body, but to know that its okay to "just be" excites me. For the first time ever I think I am looking forward to discovering myself, now at this weight. Feels like I've been waiting my whole life to feel like it's okay to matter. Does that make sense? Anywho, didnt mean to get so wordy here. It's great to see there is a thread for this, for us to meet and bounce ideas off eachother & get a chance to chat. You all seem like you're doing wonderfully!!! I look forward to getting to know you ladies! BTW, do you guys still weigh yourselves? I am contemplating throwing out my scale. To me it would seem that I would still be in that "diet mentality" if I still have it? What are your thoughts? ♥ danielle |
:welcome3: Danielle, You might want to read The Overfed Head by Rob Stevens. He lost 140lb in a yr and a half and his book is short and sweet. Oh! How I would love to throw out the scale. But I don't. It's probably better not to weigh. Obi, good to hear about the job and thanks for the encouragment.
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Originally Posted by : That's my feeling too--that the scale is part of the diet mentality. It's just a number that means--what? Not how much fat you've lost, since it can't differentiate between weight lost from fat, muscle, bone, nerve tissue, water, etc. I rely on periodic tape measurements, how my clothes fit, how I feel, and body fat measurements taken via an electrical impedance body fat monitor. And one thing that I have discovered is that having to pay attention to how my body looks and feels instead of just relying on a number on the scale has helped with a lot of my body image issues. |
Fiddler, Sorry I got messed up on the job thing. Thanks again for the encouragement.
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Another good day yesterday......no supper!!! When I make something high in calcium like pizza, I don't eat and I'm not usually hungry at supper time. I would like to get it worked out so that I was but my dh likes to eat late.....he's a workaholic......and I grew up eating supper at 5:30pm. Never did get used to late eating.......still hungry around 5pm. I have read about "pacing".......eating a little to hold yourself off.......but it doesn't work for me. I always eat too much even doing that and then I'm not hungry for supper. Any ideas?
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Carol,
I used to have a problem time of the day like that when I was always hungry. I just made sure I planned activities to do during that period and once I got out of the habit of being able to eat then, I gradually stopped being hungry at that time. |
FIddler. that sounds like a great idea!!!
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I've lost the weight I gained on vacation so maybe that's just something I can expect sometimes. I just get so tired of the gain, lose, gain, lose, thing. Here's another question. How do you keep from eating while preparing supper when you are really hungry? I think that has been a problem for me since I was married 37 yr ago. By the time supper roles around you aren't even hungry anymore but you wish you would have waiited. I've tried the gum chewing trick but that doesn't always work, especailly when you are having company (which we do a lot) and it takes quite awhile to get everything ready.
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Hope someone keeps this going besides me. I was really hungry today. Ate reasonably well. I was gone most of the day so at the mercy of other peoples food. That's oik. I took a little bad of cereal for emergencies.
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That should have been bag of cereal!
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Originally Posted by carolr3639: |
can i join in. i am going to start tomorrow. i need to lose a good 18 pounds. how much do you lose an average a week with inituitive eating?
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Originally Posted by giovannip811: It's impossible to give an average weekly loss, just like it would be for any weightloss plan. There are just too many variables. People have different body chemistry, some exercise more, and the amount and types of food people eat varies. Some of us also combine intuitive eating with other eating strategies, like eating only whole (unprocessed) foods. But I've been really happy with the results I've gotten. I've been doing it for a little under 4 months and have dropped several clothing sizes. |
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