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Obsidianbbw 02-23-2007 07:25 PM

Intuitive Eating #4
 
For those of us following Intuitive Eating
Eat when your hungry, stop when your satisfied.

Obsidianbbw 02-23-2007 07:45 PM

from the previous post.

The spinach collard green thing was a happy accident. Cut up 4 boneless chicken thighs , seasoned and cooking in olive oil, lots of garlic cloves and onions till chicken is almost done. I added the spinach and realized I didn't have enough so I toss in 2 bags of collard greens and cooked all together. Added salt and pepper to taste. Since I am trying to break my habit to beef will probably do another round this weekend.

Spiny....At least you went a head and tried the meal delivery thing and now you know it isn't for you lesson learned.

Do you have anything you eat out of habit? I just naturally seem to gravitate towards beef for some reason. Trying to try more new things so will be picking up some of the substitutes in the organic section this week.

carolr3639 02-24-2007 04:47 PM

Bread for me, Obi, especially crisp bread like Wasa. What is it about bread that is so satisfying?

CinnamonGirl 02-24-2007 06:47 PM

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the warms thoughts, Spiny. We're in the middle of a blizzard and oooh it's so freakin' :fr: cold here. We cancelled our dinner plans with friends tonight because the roads are so bad. :tantrum: I'm freezing cold and all I want to do is eat. I'm not hungry so I'm going to have some hot tea and see if that helps. I might just crawl under the electric blanket and read.

"Habit" food for me is Kashi Go-Lean Crunch, dry. I try to not eat it every day though because it's become a bit of a trigger food for me. I've discovered I just love crunching. I've realized if I have a day without eating something that crunches I don't feel satisfied. I've been eating a lot of apples and have to get some more crunchy veggies to snack on.

Hope you all are well and warm!
Beth

carolr3639 02-24-2007 10:03 PM

It's bad here in WI, too. I just noticed, Beth, that you are 5'10" so you are pretty close to normal with your weight. I like crunch, too.....Wasa crispbread in particular. I read an article tonight in Woman's Day.......I think it's the April issue but it might be March. It's pretty close to IE but it doesn't call it that. It mentions a book.....can't remember the name just now. It just came today. I'm not much for subscribing to magazines but sometimes when you order from Penny's they give you 3 yearly subscriptions for $5. That's a pretty good deal.

CinnamonGirl 02-24-2007 10:40 PM

Yeah, Carol, I am pretty close to my goal weight - whatever that is. All the charts say 150 but I have really small bones and a lot of body fat so 150 might not be right for me. I guess I won't know 'til I get there.

I'd be interested to know the name of the book you were referring to. I just bought Tosca Reno's The Eat-Clean Diet. She's a regular contributor or Oxygen magazine. So far I really like it. She seems to be subscribing to the IE idea and eating clean so you feed your body really healthy foods instead of dieting on random stuff. I could be wrong about that though as I'm only just starting it.

Beth

meg on a mission 02-24-2007 11:07 PM

Hi everyone!
I found this thread from Obi's post here...
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105399

Anyway, I suppose that what I am doing is intuitive eating, though I haven't labeled it that way. All I can say is, this is the best decision I have made for myself...to stop obsesing about everything and just listen to what I need. It's amazing what our bodies tell us when we are willing to listen! I am sure many of you have found this to be true, but once I stopped counting and agonizing about everything that went into my mouth, the weight came off faster than it ever had before. And more importantly, this is a way of life that I will be able to sustain for the long term!

I just thought I would say hello and introduce myself...I'm interested to hear more about all of you and your experiences with intuitive eating :)

fiddler 02-25-2007 01:19 AM

Quote:

Do you have anything you eat out of habit?
Chips and salsa. It has to be really good chips and salsa though. None of the national brands or stuff out of a jar.

fiddler 02-25-2007 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by meg on a mission (Post 1585679)
Hi everyone!
I found this thread from Obi's post here...
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105399

Anyway, I suppose that what I am doing is intuitive eating, though I haven't labeled it that way. All I can say is, this is the best decision I have made for myself...to stop obsesing about everything and just listen to what I need. It's amazing what our bodies tell us when we are willing to listen! I am sure many of you have found this to be true, but once I stopped counting and agonizing about everything that went into my mouth, the weight came off faster than it ever had before. And more importantly, this is a way of life that I will be able to sustain for the long term!

I just thought I would say hello and introduce myself...I'm interested to hear more about all of you and your experiences with intuitive eating :)

Welcome, Meg!

It's great to have you here with us :)

carolr3639 02-25-2007 10:45 AM

Beth, the name of the book is One Hundred Days of Weight Loss by Linda Spangle. Welcome Meg!!!!

ckatgo 02-25-2007 02:12 PM

Hello Everyone!
 
It has been a long time since I posted to this thread and I am sorry for that. I don't know why I am posting this here and not the support thread, but I guess I feel you wonderful people will understand considering you are part of the intutive eating crowd and all.(I am going to pour my heart out here, but a true confession is long over due...)

You see I have spent the past 6 months or so going from diet to diet. Low fat, high fat, low carb, high carb, eat like oprah, eat like her doctors, eat like on south beach, eat atkins..I own every diet book on the market. (no kidding...I do...) and I buy almost everyone that comes out. I will commit to a new plan and then give up on it when my better sense tells me that "I just can't live this way for the rest of my life!" or "what???...no chocolate or pizza or drink olive oil between meals for the REST OF MY LIFE????" I have wasted my whole weekend...a nice weekend at that...surfing around on the net considering the next new diet "thing" that will get me inspired to start over. In the course of all this I weigh more than I ever have, and feel horrible. Horrible about my body, my life. (even though with my problems, like most people have, my life really is good...) Anxiety ridden over my thighs, summer comming up and the fact I have not worn shorts in years. Even though I live in the southern U.S, or gone swimming...I feel like my whole life is wrapped in the next new diet scheme. I am a student and I work, I school has suffered this weekend for surfing the net for diet crap. Meanwhile I see other people talking about the stuff they do for living a life. Friends, movies, art musems, parties, etc. I have none of that. I have literally spent most of my free time, and some time that is not free worrying about dieting.....

I am sooooooooo tired now, my head hurts just thinking about it. My once supportive husband no longer wants to hear about my next new diet. He listens, but then just changes the subject. Doesn't want to hurt me by saying he's tired of it all I guess. I don't want to spend my life in this trap, but I don't want to stay fat either. Where does one go from here? Intutive eating? What is that like? I think I have focused on dieting for so long now that I don't know what it is like to not focus...

Thanks for listening, sorry so long and drawn out. I guess I am just fed up with the whole diet racket and I used to see my dieting as some kind of rebel behavior. (no one around me is on a diet, and they are suffering real health problems because they don't watch what they eat or how much, maybe they all just eat when they are not hungry??? yeah, that was harsh I know, but I am just call it as I see it...) Maybe the most rebelious (sp?) thing I can do is to get off the "diet train" and simply listen to my body.

Once again...thanks for listening...

I

CinnamonGirl 02-25-2007 05:35 PM

Hi "I",

I don't know if I can help you much because I've just started IE and am not "good" at it yet. I still struggle with thoughts from my old dieting mentality so I'll just give you the advice I was once given. You have to find a plan that works for you for the long haul not a temporary fix. Check out the "Goal" section of Success Stories and you'll see a lot of people who've made great changes in their lives and have reached their goal wieghts. Check out:

Mrs. Jim - http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57320
Glory - http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84601
Charles - http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100261
Lillibell - http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88690
Meg - http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84319

along with all the others they are an inspiration to me. I wish you only the best on this journey and keep coming to 3FC for ideas and help.

Beth

carolr3639 02-25-2007 06:06 PM

Well, I can TOTAllY relate to your post. I am a 57 yr. old mom of 10 and have had a chronic disease, sarcoidosis, for most of my adult life. I am now on prednisone and was on it years ago. My dh is wonderful but thinks if I spent my time exercising instead of reading about weight loss I'd lose. I've walked 6 mi. a day for several months to no avail. At least with IE you can have good days when you don't beat yourself up. You just keep listening................and trying to eat when hungry and stop when satisfied.

carolr3639 02-25-2007 06:09 PM

Forgot to mention, ckatgo, that I'm amazed how I don't often crave junk anymore. When all foods are equal they lose their power.

Obsidianbbw 02-25-2007 07:58 PM

Hey ckatgo :hug: feel free to vent/whine/ and or get on the IE soapbox...we are here to support you. I always feel like the whiny one and if the ladies can put up with me you should have no problems.

Rather than plan anything why not just take it one meal at a time? See how you feel and test the waters.

Well this weekend was interesting. one NSV I can now slip my tight jeans off without un buttoning them. Also someone who has known me for the last 6 or so years said I looked like I had lost weight...and he said it with the yeah maybe i need to get your phone number -Where have you been hiding kinda look LOL :D

Bad thing everything ended at about 4am, so I spent 30 min driving around Brooklyn looking for food for me and the people in the car and ate a hamburger then had a Mexican something today so bad Obie had beef :o

Other than that, nothing else going on. Weigh in this week no idea where I'm at...

carolr3639 02-26-2007 11:03 AM

I've got that flu that's going around with a bad cough. Now there's one way to get rid of the appetite. What makes everything taste so strange when you're sick? Plus we have about 2 feet of snow and this on again off again rain, sleet, snow type weather all week. Great for skiers! My kids love it.

Obsidianbbw 02-26-2007 10:17 PM

Well all week I have been praying for a 2lb (would put me at 339) loss which would put me in to the 330s. Weigh-in isn't until wed, but i got on the scale anyway....335...woo hoo. Make me much closer to the size I wanna be to buy summer clothes much more attainable.

carolr3639 02-27-2007 09:14 AM

Way to go Obi!!!!!!!!!!!

fiddler 02-27-2007 11:40 AM

Great job, Obie! :)

Spinymouse 02-27-2007 06:16 PM

Hi and Welcome to Meg and Ckatgo! Congratulations to Obi on those pounds that keep coming off! You are going to have to hurry up and get those "before" pictures taken!
Ok - I'll be back later....
jo

carolr3639 02-27-2007 09:09 PM

Do any of you ever read the maintainers thread? I was so surprised to hear one person say she ate 3000 calories when she went out for a special dinner. Guess they have problems just like we do. Has anyone ever read about the feast or famine cycle? Kind of made me think of that.

CinnamonGirl 02-27-2007 11:24 PM

Oh, I've been so busy I've not been able to check in...

Congrats, Obi!! Woooohooooo for you! :cp:

Beth

2frustrated 02-28-2007 07:32 AM

:wave:

:cp: Obie - you are TOTALLY on a roll gal! :high: Slipping off those jeans, a compliment AND a scale victory! Happy week for Obie! :hyper:

Carol - was that the same person eating at the fondue place? :barf: I read all of what she had and just felt ill. I'm not judging if paperclippy's reading this, I just couldn't eat that! :barf: But you know, we all silp up and there has been many a time where I've sat at the table and had starters, mains and a dessert then been so ill afterwards :barf: One time I was with my (then) future-in-laws and GOSH was it embarrassing to have to ask them to stop the car so I could use the bathroom at a pub on the way home :o

I'm doing well so far with IE, however I've had a couple of moments where I've thought, "Am I REALLY hungry or is my tummy just gnawing at me, or am I just thinking about it too much...?"

And yeah, I know what you mean about food losing its power now nothing is off-limits! :lol: I'm finding my diet's changing, not dramatically, but just different. :dunno: I've got full-fat greek yoghurt (DH bought it by mistake, but I'm eating it!), and low-fat cream cheese that I wouldn't have bought before because there wasn't enough protein in it! (Former eating-for-muscle type!) I'm also not really eating proper meals any more. Before I used to eat 6 small meals a day and they were all balanced etc. But this morning I've already eaten breakfast and 2 snacks and a couple of apples on the side! And yesterday I had a great lunch, which was really satisfying and I didn't need to even think about food till I got home from work which is very unusual for me!

How do you tell if you're still hungry if you've eaten? Do you eat your sandwich or whatever then wait for 20 minutes and see if you're still hungry or do you just *know* somewhere that you're stomach isn't quite full enough? Last night I had a healthy Subway (turkey, no dressing, salt etc) but I knew that it wasn't enough. I think mentally I knew that I'd used a lot of calories working out and that my lunch wasn't that high in calories, and that if I didn't want to be hungry later on, then I should eat some more. So I did eat some more and was pretty much satisfied till this morning. I even managed to buy a whole roll of chewy sweets and ate only 2!!!! :faint: Not something I've ever really done before. See, they lost their power, because they weren't a treat and I knew I didn't need them because I wasn't hungry but I just wanted to chew something! :lol: :dizzy:

Heck what a diatribe! But I feel like I could write about IE all day!!! :lol: I'm finding something completely new to me, since I've been overweight since I was a very very small child and I never remember being hungry as a child, except when I was on a diet!!!!

I was talking to DH the other day (here I go again, sorry I was winding down, but here we go!) and he is a naturally skinny guy. I asked him how he knew he was hungry? I mean do you wait till your tummy rumbles or do you know? Or is there something else. I was describing how I didn't know if I was hungry or not, but then I felt really really faint and still didn't have tummy grumbles, so I decided to see if eating would make it better, and surprise surprise it did! :lol: He said he never gets a rumbly tummy, he always just feels faint when he's hungry. How awful! I hate feeling like that!

And another thing... If you wait until you're hungry before you start making dinner, then surely you only want to eat things that are quick to make? I was in the house alone on Friday and I waited until I was hungry, but then all of a sudden I was STARVING so I made the quickest meal possible. Do you end up getting a feeling for how hungry you're going to be? Like if I go on how hungry I'm feeling now, I'm at about 5 (and have been all morning!) on that 1-10 scale. So do I guess that in about half an hour I'll need to eat? :crazy: :dizzy:

So yeah, sorry for the diatribe, I really am signing off now! :lol: As you can tell this is all new for me! :eek:

Obsidianbbw 02-28-2007 08:30 AM

First just wanna say thank you all for the well wishing....I was telling a co-worker there is absolutely no doubt in my mind I could have done this without all you wonderful ladies....You all ROCK :carrot: Just get all emotional thinking of all the help and support.

Didn't read the thread, but I every now and again I go to Applebees (still have no idea why I love it so much) and eat 2000 calories....nowadays I split the meal over 2 days, but I eat every last bit.....was she binging...I think I have a complex about reading the maintainers thread as if I don't qualify to read it wacky I know...Only forum I've never even peeked in.

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Originally Posted by carolr3639 (Post 1589963)
Do any of you ever read the maintainers thread? I was so surprised to hear one person say she ate 3000 calories when she went out for a special dinner. Guess they have problems just like we do. Has anyone ever read about the feast or famine cycle? Kind of made me think of that.

frustrated-glad to see your enjoying the IE. I know I am hungry level 1-3 when I start wondering about food, when I am satisfied or just not hungry doesn't occur to me. By level 4-7 I start feeling funny and very focsed on eating....and 8-10 is rumbling tummy and faint.

In theory With IE your not supposed to eat because you think you'll be hungry later, but I do it...saves me from being stuck somewhere like my 2 hours bus ride home or in the movies and getting hungry....also I like to avoid the ravenous I have to eat something now feeling. I try and keep fruit or a snack with me for those moment. I was thinking of trying the always controversial 100 calorie snacks. By the end of the day I'm tired of fruit and I notice I want something that will hold me over the trip home. Something I love about beauty of IE it is easy to take it and make it you own....no controversy about changing the rules because there is only one and even that is pretty flexible.

:D

OK, I am all peace and love today because I'm down.....goodness knows what I'll be like when it slows down or stop :faint: ....also I think me and the guy I am dating might try and work things out.....we'll see

oh yeah and we LOVE:hat: long posts here...so write as much as you like. Spiny and Fidder hope everything is ok Carol Feel better and Cinnamon :hug: sending you some love too.

meg on a mission 02-28-2007 08:32 AM

2Frus-
I could have written what you just posted! I am constantly asking myself if I'm really hungry, how hungry is hungry enough to eat, should I eat every time I am hungry to lose weight, etc., etc., etc...I mean, I know what it feels like when I am REALLY hungry...my stomach rumbles, and I do feel faint if I don't get fed :D ...but HOW hungry should I be when I eat?! Ahhh, aside from this, intuitive eating is no problem, but as a former obsessive calorie counter, maybe I am afraid to feel hungry at times when I feel I am not "supposed" to be hungry? I don't know! I really have nothing enlightening to say, I guess this is just a really longwinded way of saying that I can relate to your questions, and would also appreciate any advice!
Have a great day everyone!!

fiddler 02-28-2007 10:44 AM

Quote:

I am constantly asking myself if I'm really hungry, how hungry is hungry enough to eat, should I eat every time I am hungry to lose weight, etc., etc., etc...
My rule is, if I have to ask, I'm not hungry enough yet ;)

And no, I don't eat every time I'm hungry. I'm just not that focused on food anymore, and it's not going to kill me to be hungry for a few hours.

However, (and this is more directed at 2frustrated) make sure that you are drinking enough water, especially if you find you start feeling faint when you get hungry. I think a lot of times dehydration makes us think we are "hungry."

carolr3639 02-28-2007 11:11 AM

Fiddler, You always give such good advice. But, Obi, I like your idea, also, because you've made IE you own even if someone else says you shouldn't do something like eat ahead of time. 2frus, your hubby is a good place to start to learn IE. Even some books suggest to watch naturally thin people. Even my skinny teens start to gain after they get married. Years ago my mom came for a visit and I know she was upset about my weight. My 5th child was about 5mo old and I had decided to stop thinking about dieting because I was driving myself nuts. In the next 3mo. I lost 9lb without dieting. So it is possible.

carolr3639 02-28-2007 11:13 AM

Should have mentioned that I was quite a bit thinner back then, too. But more pregnancies and more bouts with prednisone made it hard to give up dieting. I should have given it up.

Spinymouse 02-28-2007 11:56 AM

Fiddler and Spiny pic
 
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Fiddler and I had some pictures taken last weekend. Here we are! I'm the one with the mouse. (that white thing is a mouse.) :mouse:

Obsidianbbw 02-28-2007 12:24 PM

Ah fiddlers right, we had a whole discussion a while back about it being ok to feel hungry...not the end of the world.

My feeling of thirst and hunger are pretty different. Funny thing when I am thirsty I start to feel sick to my stomach...I don't measure how much water I drink, but if I haven't had enough liquids the day before I'll get dry mouth in the middle of my workout.


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Originally Posted by carolr3639 (Post 1590868)
Fiddler, You always give such good advice. But, Obi, I like your idea, also, because you've made IE you own even if someone else says you shouldn't do something like eat ahead of time. 2frus, your hubby is a good place to start to learn IE. Even some books suggest to watch naturally thin people. Even my skinny teens start to gain after they get married. Years ago my mom came for a visit and I know she was upset about my weight. My 5th child was about 5mo old and I had decided to stop thinking about dieting because I was driving myself nuts. In the next 3mo. I lost 9lb without dieting. So it is possible.


Obsidianbbw 02-28-2007 01:18 PM

Ok, I need to vent. Firmly planted on the soapbox:mad:

I really believe people have to be ready to accept things into their life...weightloss being one of them, and i try not to shove things down peoples throats...but it amazes me the amount of stuff I have learned on 3fc and just wanna smack some sense into them.....

On to my point. There is this really nice lady who works in my office and she and I are the same size, but she is smaller and it is all in her stomach. She wants to lose some weight for her sisters wedding and we were talking.

She is going to eat pretzels and soup today and see how she goes. She went to the doctor and he told her she would have to eat 1200 calories a day to lose a pound a week and 700 to lose 2 lbs a week. She also feels in order to lose serious weight you have to basically not eat anything.

I just wanted to shake her. I told her I'm not on a diet, I've lost 22 lbs and going strong and there isn't anything I can't eat. So it is possible...then she said she has PCOS...and I showed her the forum on 3fc.....and sent her the link. I think whatever she does I hope she picks something reasonable and something that doesn't have her following horrible diet advice...

CinnamonGirl 02-28-2007 02:11 PM

Obi, I can't believe her doctor told her to eat only 700 cals to lose 2 lbs/week! That poor woman if she does that she'll lose no lbs/week. What kind of horrible doctor is that?!

I'm finding IE easier and easier everyday. I am also trying very hard to stick to whole foods 90% of the time. So far so good. The funny thing is that the more whole foods I eat the less bad stuff I crave. Lately I've been eating a lot of Yams. They are so good! I've also been eating more eggs and feel so much more satisfied. I do need to find more things to crunch on because I'm a real "cruncher".

Do any of you have foods that you know you just can't have around even while doing IE? I found I just can't have Fritos and sour cream. We were going to have friends over for home made chili so I bought all the fixin's. Well one of them got sick and DH and I were left to eat chili for days. I ate 6 Fritos with too much sour cream then flushed all the sour cream down the drain. My DH hates it and I knew I'd eat the whole thing if I kept it. Just can't IE the super salt/fat of Fritos and sour cream.

Beth

Obsidianbbw 02-28-2007 02:20 PM

When IE goes out the windows.

Applebees (although slowly coming to terms with it)
Ben and Jerry's
Scallops with bacon (no idea why) It is a specific brand and I had to just say no because I would by a pack and eat a pack...I would make sure I was hungry to justify it, but they giving them up for lent.
Used to be fruit juice but seem to be ok witht his.

meg on a mission 02-28-2007 02:47 PM

Obi- That's so sad, that that poor woman received such ridiculous advice from her DOCTOR...wow...I don't even know what to say about that!

But on to the real reason I hopped on here...does anyone know of a good book about Intuitive Eating that they can recommend? I have been trying to eat intuitively, but problem is, I am having trouble trusting my own intuition...lol...and reading more might help me to be more comfortable, as I am a recovering psychotic calorie counter (not an insult to calorie counters, but when I do it, I become completely obsessed...not healthy). Anyway, it would be great if anyone has some good book suggestions...thanks! :)

Obsidianbbw 02-28-2007 03:48 PM

I think most of us liked the overfed head, and I personally liked the intuitive eating book (the title is actually intuitive eating).


Ok I know carol does alot of IE reading...

carolr3639 02-28-2007 06:55 PM

My favorite is The Overfed Head by Rob Stevens because it is short and to the point. Fiddler and Jo, What a nice picture!!!! Beth, If you eat nothing but your trigger food for a few days it will not look good anymore. The Weigh Down Workshop has some good IE ideas and most of her strange doctrine is not in her first book. Naturally Thin By Eating More by Jean Antonello is old but has a newer version.......I don't know the difference in the 2 versions. Obi, Hope you can help your friend.

Spinymouse 02-28-2007 06:55 PM

Well, I was hoping to start a trend by that picture I posted on page 2 -- come on, lets see you all post some pics!! Ah, but I never was a trend-setter!
jo

carolr3639 02-28-2007 09:02 PM

Jo, I'm embarrassed to say I don't know how to put pictures on here. I'm not sure I could do it if you told me how. ha!

CinnamonGirl 02-28-2007 09:23 PM

Carol, I've done that in the past since I only make a huge crock pot of chili a couple times a winter. I can eat a whole large tub of sour cream and a large bag of Fritos in a two or three days aways followed by hours of sugar cravings. Yuck! It's a total trigger food for me so no that idea would just not work for me. That's part of how I got fat through the years. I am doing very well with IE but I know there are certain trigger foods that I probably will chose to not bring into my life again. To me it's really not that big a deal because I really don't like how that tastes anyway and it really reaks havoc on my body.

Beth

Obsidianbbw 02-28-2007 10:05 PM

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Spiny has spoke, LOL hopefully there is a picture attached to this. It isn't the best, but I won't subject you to the others. It was taken while I was on vacation last summer.


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